They are hypocrites pretending to be against patriarchy but are actually the ones propagating it by selecting high status males to be a protected class with low status ugly males having to do all the dirty work and sacrifice.
Yes, but them being hypocrites doesn't mean we can't also be hypocrites, so I'm open to hearing their criticisms even if their behaviors often contradict their dogma.
The leftist MRA never said he wanted to live in patriarchy where women have no voting rights. He wanted equal legal rights between men and women, not those picked and chosen arbitrarily based on appeals to biology or what is considered the natural order of things.
So that feminist is putting words in his mouth.
Ugh just link the thread then, how the hell am I supposed to know that when you only quote the radfem w/o context?
Women being allowed to vote without having to even sign up for the draft like men had to set the precedent for women being treated as a protected class above men.
That was already a well-established precedent for centuries if not millenia, so I'd say it's more a result of precedent already in swing.
Men had their "privileged" status because that's what men and women agreed upon at the time.
There were still low status ugly incel males in older times that never reaped any benefits of a "privileged" status.
I'm skeptical that low-status males "agreed" to anything, more like conquering chads put that privilege upon themselves.
Keep in mind it wasn't "all males can vote" always, it was also stuff like "have to be a property owner" for citizenry voting rights.
They are the ones enforcing gender roles and toxic masculinity they blame men for
A lot of them, yeah. I'm not sure what % are actually conscious of that though.
Women often shift responsibility for their actions, and while that might be conscious deception in many/most cases I think a sizeable number are honestly in denial about the power they wield in shaping us.
We should also hold men accountable here too: the whole reason we end up embracing the toxic masculinity and gender roles that women lead us to embrace is because we're so desperately obsessed not just with getting sex, but in making women happy.
If it wasn't for the desire to make women happy, incels would just go on mass rape sprees to accomplish their coom. They wouldn't care that women don't want to be raped. The fact this isn't happening is testament to how much love and care men tend to have for foids: only a minority disregard their happiness and go rape them to coom.
In fact we care so much about foids, we often avoid killing hated chads because that would make her sad. Instead we just try to compete with personality in hopes she will care.
We yearn to be chad with imbalanced access to his ideal-ratio harems. In that case we wouldnt' want chad-killing to be acceptable, so that if we became chad we would be safe.
Obviously another issue is most men don't want to share foids with each other though, so that's another part of we must look for: even if you don't care about foid happiness and don't care about balls touching while double-teaming foids with fellow incels, what holds some back?
I would say fear of chad. He's not horny, so even though he likely doesn't care about foid happiness, he DOES care about exclusive access, and will kill to defend it. It's the whole dueling male lions thing, becoming the alpha gorilla and so forth.
Even though hypothetically all the sub-alpha males could conspire to gang up and win against the alpha with numbers, they don't because they aspire to become alpha some day and it's like a mutually agreed-upon pact not to allow a gang-on-alpha society.
