Literally all pro-male discourse since 2014 was only made possible by ER

[shii410]

Before ER virgins were universally understood to just be something you laugh at and look down on and no one would ever consider taking "virgins" as a demographic seriously in any context. By being the first to commit an act of political violence explicitly motivated by his virginity status and loneliness, accompanied by his widely proliferated manifesto that described his worldview in depth, he completely changed the narrative and made lonely men a recognized sociopolitical faction with space at the negotiating table

This is what made literally all pro-male discourse since 2014 possible, even redpilled/bluepilled variants of it. Nobody would have ever talked about "the male loneliness epidemic" or even been willing to recognize or engage with such an idea if not for Elliot Rodger. In this sense Isla Vista was undoubtedly the single greatest victory for disaffected men of our time

 

[Mortis]

sociopolitical faction with space at the negotiating table

Are you suffering from a stroke right now? Please call 911.

 

[Winter War]

Yes he is saint and postle

 

[Mortis]

This is not true at all of course. Male loneliness was on the rise but that's mainly due to young men like me growing up in an adamised society. We grew up with smartphones, dating apps, social media and all that nifty stuff. That's why men are so lonely today and that got recognised by the media because it was such a concerning rise in loneliness.

It has nothing to with ER.

 

[HappiestCel]

Yes

 

[aesthetic_recon]

Before ER virgins were universally understood to just be something you laugh at and look down on and no one would ever consider taking "virgins" as a demographic seriously in any context. By being the first to commit an act of political violence explicitly motivated by his virginity status and loneliness, accompanied by his widely proliferated manifesto that described his worldview in depth, he completely changed the narrative and made virgins a recognized sociopolitical faction with space at the negotiating table

This is what made literally all pro-male discourse since 2014 possible, even redpilled/bluepilled variants of it. Nobody would have ever talked about "the male loneliness epidemic" or even been willing to recognize or engage with such an idea if not for Elliot Rodger. In this sense Isla Vista was undoubtedly the single greatest victory for disaffected men of our time

high iq take. without St. Elliot Rodger, we'd be a deracinated, politically homeless group of trill niggas without any internet forum(s) for organizing action against foid oppression. this website wouldn't exist if it weren't for the actions of the greatest Euro-American of our time: St. Elliot. I decided to compose a poem in honor of him

To the godlike individual of our time
Channeling both Lightning and Sun
Standing against a society that discarded you
Inspiring millions of men, giving them hope
ELLIOT RODGER

 

[blackpillednigga]

ER helped but he wasnt the only reason

 

[Incel TV]

Male virgins are still shunned to this day

 

[Mortis]

based and high IQ thread. Why the fuck didn't you put this in inceldom discussion?

Because it's low IQ and shows a lack of media literacy.

 

[shii410]

This is not true at all of course. Male loneliness was on the rise but that's mainly due to young men like me growing up in an adamised society. We grew up with smartphones, dating apps, social media and all that nifty stuff. That's why men are so lonely today and that got recognised by the media because it was such a concerning rise in loneliness.

It has nothing to with ER.

All of the factors you listed only became a part of the conversation after Isla Vista revolutionized the discourse. Prior to that male loneliness was simply understood to be a matter of personal responsibility and ineptitude. The conceptualization of male loneliness as a systemic issue that you can engage with and find causes and solutions for on a societal level was introduced to the public consciousness by ER

 

[Mortis]

All of the factors you listed only became a part of the conversation after Isla Vista revolutionized the discourse. Prior to that male loneliness was simply understood to be a matter of personal responsibility and ineptitude. The conceptualization of male loneliness as a systemic issue that you can engage with and find causes and solutions for on a societal level was introduced to the public consciousness by ER

Doesn't even make anysense because no one was talking about a male loneliness epidemic in 2014-2019. Covid did more for us than ER ever did. It was largely covid that sparked a lot of research into unhappiness.

ER just made us look like mass murdERERs

 

[aesthetic_recon]

I like you

>:3

 

[Defetivecuckachu]

he completely changed the narrative and made lonely men a recognized sociopolitical faction with space at the negotiating table.

What negotiating table? What do you think lonely men have gained in negotiation since 2014?

Nobody would have ever talked about "the male loneliness epidemic" or even been willing to recognize or engage with such an idea if not for Elliot Rodger.

People talk about the male loneliness epidemic? Great! When are they going to start fucking and dating ugly men?

In this sense Isla Vista was undoubtedly the single greatest victory for disaffected men of our time

Yes, now we're laughably ugly, unfuckable, AND there's a legitimate reason to have feds monitoring us. Woot!

 

[shii410]

Doesn't even make anysense because no one was talking about a male loneliness epidemic in 2014-2019. Covid did more for us than ER ever did. It was largely covid that sparked a lot of research into unhappiness.

ER just made us look like mass murdERERs

The context established by Isla Vista is a prerequisite for any such developments to occur. Even if male loneliness objectively increased no one would care to engage with the notion so long as virgins were understood to be irrelevant non-actors on the sociopolitical level.

If the consensus was that blacks are just shit and inferior and all their problems are their fault exclusively and they are completely powerless and have no agency as a demographic and there is fundamentally no way that society could ever be changed to improve their situation then no one would ever do any studies on systemic racism or show up to BLM protests

 

[shii410]

What negotiating table? What do you think lonely men have gained in negotiation since 2014?

In literally any topic that relates to men (general male loneliness, male critiques of dating apps, men buying onlyfans, men becoming andrew tate fans, men killing themselves, etc) the conversation is now generally prefaced with the understanding that men face systemic challenges that push them into these predicaments and that the existence of this demographic has a tangible impact on society and should be acknowledged and discussed. That could never happen in a discourse where lonely males are simply “losers” and not a sociopolitical demographic with agency

You could argue that male-sympathetic discourse still ultimately makes little tangible impact on our lives but regardless the fact is it wouldn’t exist without ER

 

[ElTruecel]

Doesn't even make anysense because no one was talking about a male loneliness epidemic in 2014-2019. Covid did more for us than ER ever did. It was largely covid that sparked a lot of research into unhappiness.

ER just made us look like mass murdERERs

It was talked about pre Covid

 

[cunnylover69]

In literally any topic that relates to men (general male loneliness, male critiques of dating apps, men buying onlyfans, men becoming andrew tate fans, men killing themselves, etc) the conversation is now generally prefaced with the understanding that men face systemic challenges that push them into these predicaments and that the existence of this demographic has a tangible impact on society and should be acknowledged and discussed. That could never happen in a discourse where lonely males are simply “losers” and not a sociopolitical demographic with agency

You could argue that male-sympathetic discourse still ultimately makes little tangible impact on our lives but regardless the fact is it wouldn’t exist without ER

Yes. To put it simply, before this nobody really saw incels as men. We were just losers who had nothing in common with the average person and weren't worth talking about. Elliot showed people that we wouldn't just remain on the sidelines to be mocked and trampled over. He showed people that exclusion from all relationships can affect mental health and in turn have consequences in the real world.

 

[Mortis]

The context established by Isla Vista is a prerequisite for any such developments to occur. Even if male loneliness objectively increased no one would care to engage with the notion so long as virgins were understood to be irrelevant non-actors on the sociopolitical level.

If the consensus was that blacks are just shit and inferior and all their problems are their fault exclusively and they are completely powerless and have no agency as a demographic and there is fundamentally no way that society could ever be changed to improve their situation then no one would ever do any studies on systemic racism or show up to BLM protests

It was talked about pre Covid

View: https://voca.ro/16BUqrtSzZkU

 

[ElTruecel]

View: https://voca.ro/16BUqrtSzZkU

Oh I’m not saying ER was the one who brought light or issue to this. However your point about no one knowing ER is kinda cope. I remember learning about him when i was 10 in 2015 because many top 10 lists about YouTubers who killed somebody featured ER. It wasn’t the coverage it was the fact that he was very known amongst the YouTube community he wasn’t associated with the Blackpill/incel movement though.

Most people aka normies know about ER but all they know about him is that he was crazy and had resentment towards women.

 

[ElTruecel]

Like Er is a surface level known killer he’s more famous than most shooters in the past 10 years

 

[shii410]

View: https://voca.ro/16BUqrtSzZkU

>It barely got any media coverage

Schizo take. This forum would not exist and no one would have ever heard about incels if not for ER. Literally all of Gen Z knows or watches Andrew Tate and his whole grift and audience has direct continuity to incels. ER objectively had a larger ripple effect than basically any other recent lone wolf perpetrator of political violence in the US

 

[Mortis]

Oh I’m not saying ER was the one who brought light or issue to this. However your point about no one knowing ER is kinda cope. I remember learning about him when i was 10 in 1015 because many top 10 lists about YouTubers who killed somebody featured ER. It wasn’t the coverage it was the fact that he was very known amongst the YouTube community he wasn’t associated with the Blackpill/incel movement though.

Most people aka normies know about ER but all they know about him is that he was crazy and had resentment towards women.

Yeah I agree with you.

 

[Mortis]

>It barely got any media coverage

Schizo take. This forum would not exist and no one would have ever heard about incels if not for ER. Literally all of Gen Z knows or watches Andrew Tate and his whole grift and audience has direct continuity to incels. ER objectively had a larger ripple effect than basically any other lone wolf perpetrator of political violence in the US

View: https://voca.ro/1b9zbIR0qxzn

 

[shii410]

View: https://voca.ro/1b9zbIR0qxzn

The attitudes and viewpoints expressed by Tate are frequently 1:1 with views that were popularized here to the point that female detractors often refer to Tate fans and incels interchangeably

The quantity of suffering people has absolutely no correlation to how much people care about their situation. For example Qataris don’t give a fuck about the curry migrant slaves who comprise the vast majority of their population and never talk about them or think about them because they have no agency or impact on anything and society has no interest in engaging with their issues. Lonely men as a demographic were the same way before ER

 

[Mortis]

The attitudes and viewpoints expressed by Tate are frequently 1:1 with views that were popularized here to the point that female detractors often refer to Tate fans and incels interchangeably

Those are just redpill beliefs that went the rounds for over a decade.

The quantity of suffering people has absolutely no correlation to how much people care about their situation

Still no one cares about men's suffering

 

[Mentally lost cel]

Sadly yes

 

[IncelusRex]

Are you suffering from a stroke right now? Please call 911.

Next time he will explain it to you with words appropriate for a children’s comic

 

[Mortis]

Next time he will explain it to you with words appropriate for a children’s comic

It's not that I don't understand what he is saying, it's just a ridiculous statement.