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A woman having an orgasm during rape does not mean that she enjoyed being raped or consented to being raped; orgasm is an involuntary physiological reaction that can occur during forced sexual activity. As for the claim that fifty percent of women orgasm during rape, I could not find any credible source to support such a statistic. And one must ask, what methodology could possibly produce that number?
That does not disprove anything I said; women reading or writing erotic fiction is not evidence of how they behave in reality or what they genuinely desire.
That does not disprove anything I said; women reading or writing erotic fiction is not evidence of how they behave in reality or what they genuinely desire.
I completely disagree with at least half of the things he listed. guess I’m a midwit or even dimwit because some user on a forum in a completely different country has different beliefs
Fiction reflects reality only to a certain extent; it often exaggerates, idealizes, or explores taboo subjects for emotional effect, and many people engage with such stories precisely because they would never want them to occur in real life.
Oofy Doofy is real. Not the version and extremity that HBTDL proclaims, but what else explains the amount of looksmatched couples out there with a loud domineering wife and dancing on eggshells loyal servitude husband.
its the complete opposite. normies are usually loud narcissist scumbags and as a result foids basically follow every command of their bf
every foid I know completely changed her personality to whatever her current bfs personality is, where the hell are you that its the reverse
its the complete opposite. normies are usually loud narcissist scumbags and as a result foids basically follow every command of their bf
every foid I know completely changed her personality to whatever her current bfs personality is, where the hell are you that its the reverse
If I’m understanding you right you’re saying ugly guys that look like shit can have women obsessed with them as a result of acting loud and obnoxious?
That would then be your idea of an oofy doofy??
Well if that is the case…
1. Women decide who is attractive not men so your idea of what is ugly may not jive with theirs ie for example I think Pete Davidson and Vin Diesel are two ugly motherfuckers that belong here with us and have no business in the dating game. Well attractive women disagree with my assessment therefore they are Chads.
2. You could be witnessing relationships that still ultimately conform to what Todd said in the sense that perhaps she got together with that guy before his looks went to shit ie fell in love with him hard before his looks went downhill etc.
3. Looks, money, status is the general overriding theory of our community so those guys could have two of the three if looks aren’t what’s doing it for them.
If I’m understanding you right you’re saying ugly guys that look like shit can have women obsessed with them as a result of acting loud and obnoxious?
That would then be your idea of an oofy doofy??
Well if that is the case…
1. Women decide who is attractive not men so your idea of what is ugly may not jive with theirs ie for example I think Pete Davidson and Vin Diesel are two ugly motherfuckers that belong here with us and have no business in the dating game. Well attractive women disagree with my assessment therefore they are Chads.
2. You could be witnessing relationships that still ultimately conform to what Todd said in the sense that perhaps she got together with that guy before his looks went to shit ie fell in love with him hard before his looks went downhill etc.
3. Looks, money, status is the general overriding theory of our community so those guys could have two of the three if looks aren’t what’s doing it for them.
of course I dont think random ugly fuckers off the street can get whatever woman they want, however I heavily believe women prefer loud narcissistic obnoxious guys to high inhib beta nice guy types of men, seen it too many times
of course I dont think random ugly fuckers off the street can get whatever woman they want, however I heavily believe women prefer loud narcissistic obnoxious guys to high inhib beta nice guy types of men, seen it too many times
Seems the only one I have here is jbw, but even then not fully because I do believe if a white man is ugly enough he will be an incel. But white skin is just such an important trait to have when it comes to looks, the ugliest white person will still look better than the ugliest ethnic. But I suppose 0 x 0 is still 0.
3. Women like bad boys/thugs (even if they're ugly)
Yes if they are ugly obviously there's nothing to discuss
but if you have 2 HTNs (High Tier Normies):
1. HTN Thug
2. HTN Nerd
Who would most femoids be attracted to? guy #1 or #2?
Singular beliefs can be explained just fine without needing to include some sort of general intelligence level into the mix. This may have been rhetorical/for ragebait purposes, though.
This has been covered in this thread to some extent. I'd add that they may give up and "settle" like this when they're getting off the carousel and want to have kids or something.
Agreed, there are however extraneous reasons that can make it generally harder to lose their virginity, at least in a timely fashion, for high IQcels. (I'd not describe myself as one, I think I am a midwit unironically, but I don't "believe" in IQ tests that much). I'd add that high IQcels would be more likely to click with higher IQ women, if these guys are socio-economically handicapped by disabilities or whatever, they'd then be less likely to interact with or be seen as an option by the women they'd get along with.
With emphasis on the bad looks, I can buy it. Otherwise, hybristophilia seems real (I do midwit-ponder, without research, how much of it is due to fame/publicity, like how musicians get attention, and how much is pure hybristophilia).
Choices we make influence which future reality will come about (I am against predeterminism), but those choices are based on things (I am against non-colloquial versions of concepts like "blame" "deserve" "etc"), so I think we agree here. I think this version has the benefits of both allowing agency and encouraging understanding/mercy at the same time.
Not sure if the stat is actually over 50% at this point (and I suppose we'd have to include social media, IRL meetings due to social media, and make distinctions between hookups and "long-term"), but yeah.
What they say they think on there should generally reflect what they think, not sure who would disagree here. Maybe lying for clout or exaggerating for views.
NT is oversimplified in the same way that "autistic" is. Having a very active and varied social life, involving several warm approaches weekly/monthly, should increase chances of gf-having to at least a tiny extent from a literal 0% when never interacting with anyone. Yes, the looks and such will of course come into play, but if you're never meeting any women, like many on here with autism (no friends, NEETs, weird, traumatized, etc), you can't easily side-step getting fucked up on online dating.
This is a real phenomenon, but yeah maybe not so much in the case of inceldom. Although I'd wager several youngcels on here basically delay their first romantic encounter by oversimplifying stuff, overgeneralizing, and not trying at all.
Again, I think it's a real thing but maybe not super applicable to inceldom. I do actually believe foids will get turned off by desperation, though (unless it's gigachad or something).
16. JBB/JBE/JBW (Yeah, i know the dating website data, so the latter of the three has some truth to it, but i'm talking the most literal interpretation of JBW, that a 1/10 white guy could get a gf and if he can't he's a fakecel)
Kind of midwit nitpicky, perhaps, but there should theoretically be many 1/10s with girlfriends due to the law of truly large numbers. Especially if they're socialmaxxed/hyper-NT/maybe dickmaxxed/etc. But, yeah, I agree generally speaking and am especially against branding people fakecels left and right without understanding their entire situation.
Situational. When it comes to just having casual sex this seems to be an easy and fast way to fuck entire friend groups (but yeah, I'm assuming looks and stuff aren't bad enough to ruin the dickmaxxing). For online dating, getting real dates or a gf or something I suppose I agree. Still, a literal micro seems to me can absolutely be a problem, and even with a decent size she could be a complete size queen.
This is by no means a definitive list, I might update the list later. But if you believe in any of the above, you have a case of midwitism. Thankfully there is a treatment. Take 500mg of pilula nigra three times a day, without meals for maximum absorption.
This thread is bound to piss off a lot of people. Believe in ANY one of these theories and you are a midwit:
1. Oofy doofy theory
2. Women hate intelligence
3. Women like bad boys/thugs (even if they're ugly)
4. Free will exists (in a completely literal sense that ignores causality)
5. Most couples meet in real life not online, dating apps aren't "real"
6. Social media is not an accurate reflection of what young (18 to 30) people think
7. Just be NT (as in you think even most ugly NT guys get gfs)
8. Self-fulfilling prophecy
9. Manifestation
10. Abundance mindset/scarcity mindset
11. Karma
12. There's no link between LDL, apob, and triglycerides and cardiovascular events
13. Eating raw meat is good
14. Carnivore diet is ideal for longevity
15. Craniofacial features are more the result of environment than genetics
16. JBB/JBE/JBW (Yeah, i know the dating website data, so the latter of the three has some truth to it, but i'm talking the most literal interpretation of JBW, that a 1/10 white guy could get a gf and if he can't he's a fakecel)
17. Dick size is as important as (or more important than) face or height
18. DHT doesn't cause hair loss
This is by no means a definitive list, I might update the list later. But if you believe in any of the above, you have a case of midwitism. Thankfully there is a treatment. Take 500mg of pilula nigra three times a day, without meals for maximum absorption.
I’m neither pro nor against raw meat btw but calling it stupid when there are plenty of healthy tribes that eat it and when you can find it in literal restaurants (sashimi, carpaccio, tartare steak etc…) is nonsense, genetics is the direction you give to your car, if you don’t have fuel you’re still not going to go far even if it had the direction to go further than other cars
I’m neither pro nor against raw meat btw but calling it stupid when there are plenty of healthy tribes that eat it and when you can find it in literal restaurants (sashimi, carpaccio, tartare steak etc…) is nonsense, genetics is the direction you give to your car, if you don’t have fuel you’re still not going to go far even if it had the direction to go further than other cars
This thread is bound to piss off a lot of people. Believe in ANY one of these theories and you are a midwit:
1. Oofy doofy theory
2. Women hate intelligence
3. Women like bad boys/thugs (even if they're ugly)
4. Free will exists (in a completely literal sense that ignores causality)
5. Most couples meet in real life not online, dating apps aren't "real"
6. Social media is not an accurate reflection of what young (18 to 30) people think
7. Just be NT (as in you think even most ugly NT guys get gfs)
8. Self-fulfilling prophecy
9. Manifestation
10. Abundance mindset/scarcity mindset
11. Karma
12. There's no link between LDL, apob, and triglycerides and cardiovascular events
13. Eating raw meat is good
14. Carnivore diet is ideal for longevity
15. Craniofacial features are more the result of environment than genetics
16. JBB/JBE/JBW (Yeah, i know the dating website data, so the latter of the three has some truth to it, but i'm talking the most literal interpretation of JBW, that a 1/10 white guy could get a gf and if he can't he's a fakecel)
17. Dick size is as important as (or more important than) face or height
18. DHT doesn't cause hair loss
This is by no means a definitive list, I might update the list later. But if you believe in any of the above, you have a case of midwitism. Thankfully there is a treatment. Take 500mg of pilula nigra three times a day, without meals for maximum absorption.
A woman having an orgasm during rape does not mean that she enjoyed being raped or consented to being raped; orgasm is an involuntary physiological reaction that can occur during forced sexual activity. As for the claim that fifty percent of women orgasm during rape, I could not find any credible source to support such a statistic. And one must ask, what methodology could possibly produce that number?
It's better to be even an ugly NT, because you wouldn't be so depressed and miserable - you'd just become a simp or other law lover or other shit. Basically, coping better than neuro-die-virgins.
Women, do not actually hate intelligence. Being high IQ can be used in a similar way to betabuxxing if you play your cards right. It is true that high IQ will prolong your virginity (especially if you're non-NT). Low IQ, however, is an actual disability. Unless you are a Chadlite+, women don't want you if you have a low IQ.
I've had bluepillers say this to me personally, and I fucking hate it. Couples do meet in real life, but it is happening less and less. More are meeting online, either via online social circles, or through dating apps. "Tinder isn't real life" is a massive cope. There is nothing else that can better reflect what women want. Everything in the BP is based off of what women actually do.
For anyone that believes this, see if you can meet a western person under 30 that is not terminally online. It's nearly impossible. I am 18 and I spend a lot of my waking hours here.
It mostly comes down to looks. I'll say some things here: I am non-NT (I was diagnosed with Asperger's at 5). I would say I'm introverted compared to NTs, but compared to non-NTs I'm actually rather extroverted. I am still an incel, despite my social skills. Ryo obviously has better social skills than I do, but his interactions still collapse because of looks.
Then again, if you are Chad autism doesn't matter. Watch the Gabe video if you have any doubts over this.
I don't know if what Ryo is talking about is if you believe in a self-fulfilling prophecy, or if you believe they exist. I will need clarification on that before I shred it.
The appropriate debunk for this is what Wheat Waffles used. I'll basically just regurgitate what he said as he said it much better than I could:
Imagine if Apple released a new iPhone, but instead of the usual, they'll do a stunt: "We're only selling 10000 of these for the first month.". This will create a feeling of abundance and drive up the sales of it even more.
Now imagine if another company few have heard of, tried this. They would be called out for this: "Your phone is probably shit anyways.".
The main debunk is the myriad of exceptions to it. Bad guys get rewarded, good guys get executed. Look up Jeremy Meeks, Alexei Navalny, Netanyahu, or the like.
In reality, there is. Here's an explanation:
When cholesterol levels are higher, some of them will begin filling up the walls of your blood vessels in zones called plaques. This reduces blood flow through the vessel, and causes cardiovascular events.
There's two main arguments for this: "It's natural" and "You get more nutrients".
The first one is BS because a) not everything natural is good, and b) Humans have controlled fire for over a million years. We will have adapted to it by now. In fact, we have: our jaws are weaker because cooked food needs to be chewed less, so a strong jaw isn't needed anymore. See the recent thread by @wereq about why we are incels for more info.
The nutrients argument can be debunked by just simmering the meat. You don't lose nutrients that way, as they can't escape.
It's not. We (as humans) have eaten cooked food for over a million years, yet us, and our ancestors, have eaten fruits and vegetables for at least 50 million years. We are much more adapted to plants than meat. That is why veganism isn't as bad for you as carnivore.
The few tribes that are carnivores can get away with it because they eat the entire animal.
There is some environmental part to facial structure (mostly the jaw from breathing patterns and tongue posture) but genetics determines the vast majority of it.
16. JBB/JBE/JBW (Yeah, i know the dating website data, so the latter of the three has some truth to it, but i'm talking the most literal interpretation of JBW, that a 1/10 white guy could get a gf and if he can't he's a fakecel)
You can be an incel, no matter what colour your skin is. According to literal JBW I shouldn't be an incel because I am white, but the truth is the white halo doesn't work as I live in a predominantly white area of a predominantly white country. If I lived in SEA I would benefit more, but it wouldn't be much as I am still ugly, no matter where I am.
@LastGerman will get pissed off massively at this, but I don't care.
A Chad with 3x1 will get as much attention as one with 7x6. It's just the major difference will be what happens in bed. Dicklet Chad will probably not do penetrative sex, but Mr. BCC will really fill up whoever he fucks.
A similar story applies to incels. An incel with 7x6 won't be getting much more female attention than a 3x1 dickcel. At best, the BICcel will maybe get a lights out ONS with a size queen that literally only cares about size, but they are unicorns. The option of dating single mothers is also on the cards for them.
Size helps, but face and height are more important. Same with race, NT, muscle, money, personality, etc..
The link between DHT and hair loss is substantial. From what I've heard it's because it "undermines" hair, causing it to reduce in length/deactivate, worsening hair loss/contributing to Norwood.
It's actually really shocking how many people think this. I've never seen women 'hate' intelligence in a guy—not once. Women like guys who are smart and who they can talk to about things.
It's actually really shocking how many people think this. I've never seen women 'hate' intelligence in a guy—not once. Women like guys who are smart and who they can talk to about things.
It's cope from people who see women fall for drug dealers, criminals, Jeremy Meeks types. Intelligence is one area they are confident they are better than these men, but don't want to accept that women don't care either way.
A Chad with 3x1 will get as much attention as one with 7x6. It's just the major difference will be what happens in bed. Dicklet Chad will probably not do penetrative sex, but Mr. BCC will really fill up whoever he fucks.
A similar story applies to incels. An incel with 7x6 won't be getting much more female attention than a 3x1 dickcel. At best, the BICcel will maybe get a lights out ONS with a size queen that literally only cares about size, but they are unicorns. The option of dating single mothers is also on the cards for them.
Size helps, but face and height are more important. Same with race, NT, muscle, money, personality, etc..
First I did not not want to address it because most liekly it would lead to another conversation about it. But since I have been quoted twice, I will address and elaborate on it quickly.
First you agreed with me or at least somewhat saw my point and now you turn around from it. Why is that? I just want to address some points here. "Size queens" are not unicorns. "Size queens" do not even exist. The term is also used on Reddit sections such as Averagedickproblems and Smalldickproblems. The term "size queens" has an implication that not all females are like this and are an exception. They are not. All females are like this. It is just a default setting. I also want to add, this also goes beyond that. It goes beyond females. And I will once again show why that is.
An incel with a 7x6 inch penis will have a much better life than an incel with a 3x1 inch penis. A 3x1 inch penis is a legit micropenis. You are not even able to fap with that. Someone with a 7x6 inch penis is hardly an incel. But I indulge. Let us say they are both incel. Who do you think still has a better life solely because of penis size? The answer to it is clear. I also have a question in this regard. If you could choose between both penis sizes here, what would you pick? A 3x1 inch penis or a 7x6 inch penis? The answer to it is also clear.
You think that being nt, having muscle, money and even personality matters or even matter more in comparison to penis size? Personality? Really? By the way, I think you are a based user. So, I do not know why you are doing this.
I am already on the ground. It is fine. I know that people like to punch down.
First I did not not want to address it because most liekly it would lead to another conversation about it. But since I have been quoted twice, I will address and elaborate on it quickly.
First you agreed with me or at least somewhat saw my point and now you turn around from it. Why is that? I just want to address some points here. "Size queens" are not unicorns. "Size queens" do not even exist. The term is also used on Reddit sections such as Averagedickproblems and Smalldickproblems. The term "size queens" has an implication that not all females are like this and are an exception. They are not. All females are like this. It is just a default setting. I also want to add, this also goes beyond that. It goes beyond females. And I will once again show why that is.
An incel with a 7x6 inch penis will have a much better life than an incel with a 3x1 inch penis. A 3x1 inch penis is a legit micropenis. You are not even able to fap with that. Someone with a 7x6 inch penis is hardly an incel. But I indulge. Let us say they are both incel. Who do you think still has a better life solely because of penis size? The answer to it is clear. I also have a question in this regard. If you could choose between both penis sizes here, what would you pick? A 3x1 inch penis or a 7x6 inch penis? The answer to it is also clear.
You think that being nt, having muscle, money and even personality matters or even matter more in comparison to penis size? Personality? Really? By the way, I think you are a based user. So, I do not know why you are doing this.
Thanks for that. I do still agree that size matters, and it matters a LOT.
The truth is, I feel there's a broad spectrum of users on here about the penis pill. All of us agree size matters. Those that don't are bluepilled. The disagreements are from how MUCH size matters.
On one end there's the people that say "Size does not matter at all, stop worrying about it" and on the other end is "Size is all that matters. If you aren't 7"+ it's completely over for you.".
I do think you are very much a case of the latter. Meanwhile, most of the rest of the forum is in the middle, even the ones that are smaller. I do still lean towards your side, but I do think there are a few other things that need to be pointed out as well. That is what I was doing.
Admittedly the personality thing was massively retarded on my end. I will concede that as an error. But other genetic things also matter.
I also need to concede on the size queen thing. Every woman is a size queen pretty much. Those that aren't are unicorns, and basically don't exist.
I'd say size is the 3rd most important thing you need. My Top 5 rankings are these:
1) Face
2) Height
3) Size
4) NT
5) Race
I feel the point you made about the "what would you prefer" is a red herring. Yes I would prefer 7x6 over 3x1, and that is proving your point.
Thanks for that. I do still agree that size matters, and it matters a LOT.
The truth is, I feel there's a broad spectrum of users on here about the penis pill. All of us agree size matters. Those that don't are bluepilled. The disagreements are from how MUCH size matters.
On one end there's the people that say "Size does not matter at all, stop worrying about it" and on the other end is "Size is all that matters. If you aren't 7"+ it's completely over for you.".
I do think you are very much a case of the latter. Meanwhile, most of the rest of the forum is in the middle, even the ones that are smaller. I do still lean towards your side, but I do think there are a few other things that need to be pointed out as well. That is what I was doing.
Admittedly the personality thing was massively retarded on my end. I will concede that as an error. But other genetic things also matter.
I also need to concede on the size queen thing. Every woman is a size queen pretty much. Those that aren't are unicorns, and basically don't exist.
I'd say size is the 3rd most important thing you need. My Top 5 rankings are these:
1) Face
2) Height
3) Size
4) NT
5) Race
A red herring would be more so if I would try to mislead you or anyone. I basically use oversimplified and even almost stupid questions to point out the significance of it. It is basically a rhetorical question to where the answer is clear. I am basically answering my own questions.
The only way this could be true is if it's a base brain instinct reaction because women can't do conscious SPH that's at all erotic, even when paid. There's no reason nature would select for that kink. Instead, it's a base brain instinct of men to be aware of the utility of a competitor's vag plunger tool. Male brains can't help but think penis size is important, because it is a viable factor in being the one to successfully impregnate a promoscious female, pumping the sloppy seconds and depositing deeply.
The increase in women discussing penis size is parallel to discussion of anal sex, both imported from gay men culture as single women and gays are typically political allies.
Talk to about what? 99% of the time they just appropriate the interests of the Chad they’re interested in; women by and large do not have personalities.
I do agree with you and Ryo that “women dislike intelligence” is a bit of a cope, since IIRC data shows men in the below average IQ range performing worse in securing relationships & sex, but having an IQ in the superior range isn’t ideal either. Mid-tier IQ is optimal for sexual success and NTmaxxing, and is proven to have the highest correlation with perceived charisma. But overall, intelligence is absolutely an afterthought in a hoe’s mind
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