Karl Marx's Anti-Semitism

[AsiaCel]

Very interesting video.

"It's the Jews. Capitalism is Jewish"


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rZh01xRO_Qg


Also I think a important point should be that whether Marx was antisemitistic (I know he was Jewish) or not, that is not too important. His communism ideology has been taken advantage of and led to disunity among races.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

He said this from a place of anti religion, not racial antisemitism. understand the context in his book on the Jewish question where he also calls for the end of christianity and all religion as a whole

 

[AsiaCel]

He said this from a place of anti religion, not racial antisemitism. understand the context in his book on the Jewish question where he also calls for the end of christianity and all religion as a whole

If all religions were ended, the Jews would not have a ground of "goyim bad" to stand on then, so perhaps it can be said that he was antisemitistic on the ground of "all religions bad".

Btw that doesn't make his views on religions good.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

If all religions were ended, the Jews would not have a ground of "goyim bad" to stand on then, so perhaps it can be said that he was antisemitistic on the ground of "all religions bad".

Btw that doesn't make his views on religions good.

I disagree actually. Jews exist on racial grounds, not religious ones. Similar to the national socialist of Germany (for example the SS. They weren't racialist because they were pagan, they were pagan because they were racialist.)

If the Jews were not religious at all (many are not, tons of atheist communist Jews) they would still be a racial minority living in foreign land and their racial interest wouldn't change at all.

The truth is that there is no difference between an atheist and a religious Jew when it comes to racial interest. Even in the Torah, the Jew was still the Jew and still part of the chosen people even when he abandoned his god and worshiped idols, he was still called the same as when he was religious.

 

[AutistSupremacist]

Many of Marx and Engels comments would make you believe they were national socialists. From their hatred of jews to their enmity towards slavs it's really surprising modern leftists view him as some woke progressive who would've supported them.

 

[AutistSupremacist]

His communism ideology has been taken advantage of and led to disunity among races.

I'd argue it's the opposite. Marx's ideology unified races across continents, languages, ethnicities and religions under the red banner.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

woke progressive

They were materialist, believed in abolition of nation, family structure, and religion. The logical leap of that in the new age is the idea that everything is in fact a social construct of capitalism and must be abolished (gender, race, exc)

 

[AsiaCel]

I'd argue it's the opposite. Marx's ideology unified races across continents, languages, ethnicities and religions under the red banner.

Sorry, I meant unity within the race. Marxism ideology arguee for class warfare, removing distinction between races and religions.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

I'd argue it's the opposite. Marx's ideology unified races across continents, languages, ethnicities and religions under the red banner.

In my opinion it often takes on a specifically anti white role, consider for example the communist in South Africa

 

[AsiaCel]

I disagree actually. Jews exist on racial grounds, not religious ones. Similar to the national socialist of Germany (for example the SS. They weren't racialist because they were pagan, they were pagan because they were racialist.)

If the Jews were not religious at all (many are not, tons of atheist communist Jews) they would still be a racial minority living in foreign land and their racial interest wouldn't change at all.

The truth is that there is no difference between an atheist and a religious Jew when it comes to racial interest. Even in the Torah, the Jew was still the Jew and still part of the chosen people even when he abandoned his god and worshiped idols, he was still called the same as when he was religious.

This is true. But without the goyim bad part of Judaism, the Jews would simply be another greedy ethncity group, i.e. Levanties (sorry for Syrian bros here)

And without the help of Judaism, the Jews would be way less united. in fact, many Jews don't even have OG Jewish blood, but they are, helped by the spirituality views of Judaism.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

This is true. But without the goyim bad part of Judaism, the Jews would simply be another greedy ethncity group, i.e. Levanties (sorry for Syrian bros here)

Not really, their religion simply serves as a justification for what some of them do, it doesn't change the desired effects or the actual outcomes. At the end of the day Jews:
A. Didn't have a homeland of their own for a very long time
B. Were persecuted as aliens and foreigners, pogroms, often times deserved
C. Developed a high in-group bias from this history out of necessity, they are extremely tribalistic as a survival mechanism
D. Must usurp the society they live within to promote their interest as a minority that feels at the mercy of the majorities hands
E. Now that they have Israel, they must secure it's existence, which means they need America's support (ie they must control America)

 

[Excalibur]

From their hatred of jews to their enmity towards slavs it's really surprising modern leftists view him as some woke progressive who would've supported them.

They also considered non-Europeans such as africans and asians to be "ahistorical peoples" and outside of dialectical materialism. They expected communism to be achieved by Western Europeans, just as the industrial revolution had been.

It makes a lot of sense once you consider they were European men who lived in the 19th century. Anyone who was educated and regularly read a newspaper had a racial and ethnic consciousness back then, it would have been absurd not to have it.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

ahistorical peoples" and outside of dialectical materialism

Show me where he said this please

 

[AutistSupremacist]

In my opinion it often takes on a specifically anti white role, consider for example the communist in South Africa

That was merely just anti imperialism. The boers mistreated the blacks to such an inhumane degree + you are forgetting the use of socialism in European anti imperialist struggles like Ireland or Albania.

 

[Glassness]

 

[readingcel]

They expected communism to be achieved by Western Europeans, just as the industrial revolution had been.

This has nothing to do with some racial essentiality, but rather with the organic development of socio-material reality, the concentration of capital, and that the Brits at the time were either on their way towards proletarianization, or were already situated there in some shape or form. And hence the said claim, if I remember correctly. Their estimation didnt hold as strongly as it was supposed to, although redeemed by the existence (albeit failed) of the German rev.

Whats more interesting, imo, is that Lenin's strategy regarding the role of Russia in light of an international revolution was basically one of "waiting" for an industrialized developed country to have a proletariat rev. In that sense, and only in that, you are right.

 

[readingcel]

In my opinion it often takes on a specifically anti white role, consider for example the communist in South Africa

Methinks this is a reflection of the cancerous division between Marxism as an invariant theory and immense opportunism + revisionism.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

That was merely just anti imperialism. The boers mistreated the blacks to such an inhumane degree + you are forgetting the use of socialism in European anti imperialist struggles like Ireland or Albania.

The boers had settled South Africa before any permanent negro settlement there. They were there for over 250 years and built permanent civilization and agriculture. They also pay all of the taxes for a welfare society of blacks.

 

[Excalibur]

Show me where he said this please

Neither Marx nor Engels ever openly said this to describe non-euros as they did the slavs, but it is clear when you look at their attitude to the colonial wars of the time. For example, Engels supported the United States during the Mexican-American War because he saw the US as an engine of progress that had the potential to develop the conquered territory, as opposed to the "lazy Mexicans".

On India’s conquest by the British:

 

[Blackpill Monk]

If all religions were ended, the Jews would not have a ground of "goyim bad" to stand on then, so perhaps it can be said that he was antisemitistic on the ground of "all religions bad".

Btw that doesn't make his views on religions good.

Jews will still hate Non Jews on racial background

 

[Blackpill Monk]

The truth is that there is no difference between an atheist and a religious Jew when it comes to racial interest. Even in the Torah, the Jew was still the Jew and still part of the chosen people even when he abandoned his god and worshiped idols, he was still called the same as when he was religious.

I wish every ethno-religion like that

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Were persecuted as aliens and foreigners, pogroms, often times deserved

And why because of their own fault

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

And why because of their own fault

I said "deserved" for a reason chigga

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Were persecuted as aliens and foreigners, pogroms, often times deserved

Because they are poisioning wells, kidnapping children and women, spreading diseases

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Because they are poisioning wells, kidnapping children and women, spreading diseases

I don't know if it's confirmed they did most of what you mentioned, but they did in fact put the peasantry into poverty through high interest rates

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Developed a high in-group bias from this history out of necessity, they are extremely tribalistic as a survival mechanism

Despite Christianity is a Jewish supremacist, I don't know why Christian Europe fucked you so hard, in an ideal Christian, you are treated as privilege

 

[Blackpill Monk]

I don't know if it's confirmed they did most of what you mentioned, but they did in fact put the peasantry into poverty through high interest rates

Yes, along with they are lotting the indigenous people with their high taxes

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Despite Christianity is a Jewish supremacist, I don't know why Christian Europe fucked you so hard, in an ideal Christian, you are treated as privilege

Christianity isn't Jewish supremacist in it's purposed state. Jesus said that "Jew and non-Jews" were no longer distinct and so the Jew and goy were meant to be the same. Basically, Jewishness was abolished under Christ we all united under him.

Also the popes did multiple times tell crusaders not to harm Jews, and sometimes they listened and protected them. However, they would also slaughter Jews in a few cases, because they are European after all.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Jesus said that "Jew and non-Jews"

Jesus is a radical tribalist Jewish supremacist. He clearly states that he is a Messiah of Jews only and he comes to save the house of Israel. He called a Canaanite lady a dog and refused to help Non-Jews. During his lifetime, he strictly excluded non-Jews from his teaching and strictly instructed his disciples to go for Jews only, not to non-Jews.

What we perceive the modern image of Jesus is the distortion by Paul. He distorted the image of Jesus by saying he loves all people, he is a egalitarian so that fake cult of Christ created by Paul spreads to Gentile.

The original Christianity perceived by James the brother of Christ is strictly a Jewish supremacist monotheistic

 

[Blackpill Monk]

religion simply serves as a justification for what some of them do, it doesn't change the desired effects or the actual outcomes.

So the irrational tribalistic hatred and the biological racism spawn against non-Jews is theologically mandated in Judaism. So Jews hating non-Jews is the important theological aspects of Judaism

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

irrational

It isn't irrational, it's natural and developmental. Racism is not unusual or insane

 

[Blackpill Monk]

It isn't irrational, it's natural and developmental. Racism is not unusual or insane

So just like in a similar way racism against Likes is also natural and developmental

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

So just like in a similar way racism against Likes is also natural and developmental

No shit Sherlock, all of history is driven by tribalism and it's conflict. That's why conquered groups have their tribalism suppressed, such as the modern European.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

No shit

Exactly, Racism against Kikes is completely justified then

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Exactly, Racism against Kikes is completely justified then

It's funny you continuously try to think like I am opposing your view in some way

 

[Blackpill Monk]

It's funny you continuously try to think like I am opposing your view in some way

You are just a bad faith actor, at first you say Jews hating on non-Jews is completely natural and developmental, then I said the same that hatred against Jews is also perfectly normal and developmental, then just you do your wordcelling that no no it's not normal

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

You are just a bad faith actor, at first you say Jews hating on non-Jews is completely natural and developmental, then I said the same that hatred against Jews is also perfectly normal and developmental, then just you do your wordcelling that no no it's not normal

I didn't say hatred against Jews was wrong lmfao, you are hallucinating out of some sort of hate for me

 

[Blackpill Monk]

I didn't say hatred against Jews was wrong lmfao, you are hallucinating out of some sort of hate for me

We should be tribalistic against each other.
Hate unites, love divides

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

We should be tribalistic against each other.
Hate unites, love divides

 

[Blackpill Monk]

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And also every people should follow their indigenous native ethnic ancestral religion

 

[Caesercel]

Despite the (hilarious) stereotyping he did advocate for religious freedom for jews. And rejected the idea that jews must reject Judaism and adopt atheism to become accepted in the German mainstream

 

[blackpillednigga]

I'd argue it's the opposite. Marx's ideology unified races across continents, languages, ethnicities and religions under the red banner.

This

 

[Trident]

...when Mother Nature has
inscribed his origins in the clearest possible
way right in the middle of his face