[Anti-Marxism #2] Marxism is inherently "woke"

[IWWorkER]

By this title I meant, the modern "woke" movement is not an error from leftists, but it is the inevitable conclusion of Marxism. I will explain.

My biggest problem with Marxism is the unwritten rule which says: "people are equal in essence, they only differ due to their place in society"
Marx does not state this explicitly in his work as far as I know, (though I haven't read it all, to be fair,) but it is implied all throughout his works.
He does not believe race and sex have an impact on one's capacities, nor anything else. If you are on this forum, you already know how stupid this claim is.
Marx's whole worldview can be dumbed down to "the oppressor vs the oppressed", in his own words:

"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, that each time ended, either in the revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes."
Manifesto of the Communist Party, Chapter 1, Karl (((Levi))) Marx

Now Marx doesn't explicitly give details of what "the oppressing class" is made of in essence, but whoever is successful must be so because he was born in a privileged position in society.
So if you observe white men, for example, being more successful, it can't be because they work more and harder, difficult or dangerous jobs, or anything similar... No, it must be that white men are privileged by society, and are forming the oppressing class to exploit others, any other explanation would be admitting people are unequal in essence.

It's easy to see how Marxism leads to the "woke" movement, and honestly, how could it not ? Marxism denies biological determinism, so like any ideology which denies evidence, it's worthless and should be thrown away.

I would have liked to add a few more things but I'm too tired from insomnia, I will add more if I can later.

Tagging people who might be interested:

Spoiler: Tags

@DarkStar
@DoomThreeShotgunner
@AtrociousCitizen
@Anarcho Nihilist
@Rapistcel
@Sewer Stomper
and of course
@Caesercel

( [Anti-Marxism] prefix to follow @Anarcho Nihilist 's first anti-marxism thread )

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

The idea that everything is just a social construct that needs to be abolished is obviously going to lead to what we see in the modern day left.

Step one:
"Nations are fake and must be abolished"
"Gender roles are fake and must be abolished"
"Religion is fake and must be abolished"

Step two:
"Race is fake and must be abolished"
"Gender is fake and must be abolished"
"Morality is fake and must be abolished"

It's not a big leap at all, it was always going this direction

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

Marxism is the worst thing to come out of the socialist camp.

 

[IWWorkER]

The idea that everything is just a social construct that needs to be abolished is obviously going to lead to what we see in the modern day left.

It's really terrible because it has become the cultural norm, there is barely any reactionary opposition truly standing against that. Modern right-wing, even far-right, parties, are basically the same at this point, never admitting anything being biological, race or sex, let alone nationality (through ethnicity).
At least in Europe, I think Americans are doing slightly better on the issue of recognizing biological determinism, race especially, even if they have other issues of their own.

 

[IWWorkER]

Marxism is the worst thing to come out of the socialist camp.

They make me ashamed of the "socialist" label... perhaps it was (((someone's))) goal...

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

They make me ashamed of the "socialist" label... perhaps it was (((someone's))) goal...

Definitely. (((They))) don't want people to use it because it undermines (((their))) empire. It's the kryptonite of all billionaires. Divide the masses and they stay in check.

 

[IWWorkER]

Definitely. (((They))) don't want people to use it because it undermines (((their))) empire. It's the kryptonite of all billionaires. Divide the masses and they stay in check.

Agreed. All kikes and rich people are in it together, in fact, they promote these "woke" ideas, to hide the real target: themselves.

The funny thing is, marxists are close to get it, the infograph above was surely made by one, but they rarely fully realize what's happening.
When they do, they stop being Marxists.

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

Agreed. All kikes and rich people are in it together, in fact, they promote these "woke" ideas, to hide the real target: themselves.

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The funny thing is, marxists are close to get it, the infograph above was surely made by one, but they rarely fully realize what's happening.
When they do, they stop being Marxists.

 

[Caesercel]

Understanding Marxism did make me see how modern woke stuff branches directly from Marx. But not in the way this thread argues.

"people are equal in essence, they only differ due to their place in society"

This is not a presumption of Marxism but one of the liberal movement itself that coalesced in French and American revolutions. It's the ultimate entlightenment ideal. Marxism is derivative of that.

He does not believe race and sex have an impact on one's capacities, nor anything else.

Those things are wholly irrelevant to the point he was making.

Marx doesn't explicitly give details of what "the oppressing class" is made of in essence,

For 19th century europe, the society he was commenting on, it's clearly the bourgeoisie. But whatever tha era or continent may be, the fundamental class difference comes down to to control of the means of production and through that mastery over the slave's life.

but whoever is successful must be so because he was born in a privileged position in society.

That was so for most of history. You can say that the upper classes may have been "successful" once and then maintained their position through birth right (there's a dialectic here I won't get into for sake of brevity). But for me the term "success" itself is a modern construct applied in retrospect whose understanding is subject to historical material forces. The medeival nobility certainly did not see themselves as "winners" in some large societal game.

So if you observe white men, for example, being more successful, it can't be because they work more and harder, difficult or dangerous jobs, or anything similar...

A local Bangladeshi blue collar worker can do the same work for the same number of hours as a Norwegian one and make 20 times less because he lives in bangladesh. But that's capitalist classism on an international scale followed by socialism on a national scale. Without the latter the Norwegian worker may be just as miserable. Hitler ultimately was not a unique phenomena, rather he was a product of what was, and still is, already going on. (which is why we still have fascists, who are okay with engaging in forever wars, expansion and enslavement on one hand and then claim european exceptionalism and isolationalism on the other, when they see immigrants as a result of those actions)

I highly doubt white people are working more difficult or dangerous jobs. You can argue they are doing more "successful" jobs. So a more apt example here would be a multiethnic state like USA , where the ethnic making less money belongs to the same nation (unlike Norway where an ethnic bangladeshi immigrant worker will make as much as a white worker owing to socialism). Here we can see more of what you were going for with white people are predominantly doing more "successful" jobs/business while black workers forming a great part of the working backbone that is barely fighting back with weapons of socialism.

No, it must be that white men are privileged by society, and are forming the oppressing class to exploit others,

To me this fact is just another historical development.

, any other explanation would be admitting people are unequal in essence.

Yes. And this is something no smart person worth his salt would ever do in current state of history.

 

[Caesercel]

Now let me explain why woke stuff comes from Marx. Marx's analysis argues that societal structures and relations are directly derived from material conditions of production at the time. So changing material conditions would create a shift in political and social structure of society.

In this logic one can see that Marx, much like his master Hegel, tries to explain change. And if change is possible (let alone inevitable) then it is possible for old relations to dissolve away. Like millenia old gender relations, gender roles or more recent racial roles and relational structures. Marx did not argue for it himself but follow this logical thread and you will eventually reach troonism. These things sound alien and unnatural, but so is flying on a plane and using a computer. That's materialism for you

 

[The Supreme Goyim]

Marxism is the worst thing to come out of the socialist camp.

Everything they make is equally retarded, the newest one out of Europe is social democrats, which is just even gayer state socialism mixed with a little free market to make sure the Jews are okay.

 

[autistspy1]

Marxism is not like the liberal BS we see today, Cuba, USSR, DPRK etc. did not devolve into degeneracy. If anything incels should be embracing Marxism due to its focus on equality and improving material/economic conditions. Not only will it help balance the scales, it might make looksmaxxing more affordable.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

By this title I meant, the modern "woke" movement is not an error from leftists, but it is the inevitable conclusion of Marxism. I will explain.

My biggest problem with Marxism is the unwritten rule which says: "people are equal in essence, they only differ due to their place in society"
Marx does not state this explicitly in his work as far as I know, (though I haven't read it all, to be fair,) but it is implied all throughout his works.
He does not believe race and sex have an impact on one's capacities, nor anything else. If you are on this forum, you already know how stupid this claim is.
Marx's whole worldview can be dumbed down to "the oppressor vs the oppressed", in his own words:

Now Marx doesn't explicitly give details of what "the oppressing class" is made of in essence, but whoever is successful must be so because he was born in a privileged position in society.
So if you observe white men, for example, being more successful, it can't be because they work more and harder, difficult or dangerous jobs, or anything similar... No, it must be that white men are privileged by society, and are forming the oppressing class to exploit others, any other explanation would be admitting people are unequal in essence.

It's easy to see how Marxism leads to the "woke" movement, and honestly, how could it not ? Marxism denies biological determinism, so like any ideology which denies evidence, it's worthless and should be thrown away.

I would have liked to add a few more things but I'm too tired from insomnia, I will add more if I can later.

Tagging people who might be interested:

Spoiler: Tags

@DarkStar
@DoomThreeShotgunner
@AtrociousCitizen
@Anarcho Nihilist
@Rapistcel
@Sewer Stomper
and of course
@Caesercel

( [Anti-Marxism] prefix to follow @Anarcho Nihilist 's first anti-marxism thread )

Look at Eastern Europe under the Communists. It was literally filled with Gypsies who had never worked honestly, but the Communists, being stupid degenerates, continued to push their ideology, giving them privileges to try to integrate a nomadic people who literally encouraged deception and fraud in their culture, while honest work was despised.
Bulgaria and Romania are garbage dumps today because they are teeming with Gypsy. Literally every Westerner now automatically considers Romanians to be gypsy.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Marxism is not like the liberal BS we see today, Cuba, USSR, DPRK etc. did not devolve into degeneracy. If anything incels should be embracing Marxism due to its focus on equality and improving material/economic conditions. Not only will it help balance the scales, it might make looksmaxxing more affordable.

The USSR was a degenerate cesspool and a piece of shit. Women were literally the heads of their families, and they could get divorced whenever they wanted. The USSR also cultivated multiculturalism, taking money from Russian regions to subsidize non-Russian regions, such as Central Asia or the South Caucasus, in the name of national friendship. The USSR also cultivated multiculturalism through its youth festivals in 1957, where Slavic whores allowed foreigners to fuck them after a few hours of communication.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Marxism is not like the liberal BS we see today, Cuba, USSR, DPRK etc. did not devolve into degeneracy. If anything incels should be embracing Marxism due to its focus on equality and improving material/economic conditions. Not only will it help balance the scales, it might make looksmaxxing more affordable.

The only difference between the USSR and modern woke is the attitude towards fags. Otherwise, feminism and equality for all races were the same. The cult of Jewish Marxist feminists like Rosa Luxemburg and Clara Zetkin. The freedom for women to be sluts and fuck whoever they want. Of course, there was also a cult of rice, niggers, curry, and more. The recognition of colonialism as the worst crime in human history. Oh, the evil white Europeans oppressing the people of Asia and Africa.

 

[ANTAGONIST]

Marxism: majority rising up against the oppressive minority (bourgeouise)

Woke ideology: minorities rising up against the supposedly oppressive majority (straight white men)

They are literal polar opposites. CIA sponsored the modern leftism to fight against marxism, because they saw it as a threat especially during the cold war.

These antifa faggots aren't revolutionary, they are literally sponsored by a billionaire (Soros) for god's sake! Unemployed aids carriers aren't the proletariat Marx was talking about

 

[Rapistcel]

The idea that everything is just a social construct that needs to be abolished is obviously going to lead to what we see in the modern day left.

Step one:
"Nations are fake and must be abolished"
"Gender roles are fake and must be abolished"
"Religion is fake and must be abolished"

Step two:
"Race is fake and must be abolished"
"Gender is fake and must be abolished"
"Morality is fake and must be abolished"

Cultural Marxism

 

[Rapistcel]

Marxism: majority rising up against the oppressive minority (bourgeouise)

Woke ideology: minorities rising up against the supposedly oppressive majority (straight white men)

They are literal polar opposites. CIA sponsored the modern leftism to fight against marxism, because they saw it as a threat especially during the cold war.

These antifa faggots aren't revolutionary, they are literally sponsored by a billionaire (Soros) for god's sake! Unemployed aids carriers aren't the proletariat Marx was talking about

I think modern left started in Weimar Republic in revisionist marxist circles, but this is the thing, they were revisionist, yes, but a marxist is a marxist.

 

[Rapistcel]

Marxism: majority rising up against the oppressive minority (bourgeouise)

Woke ideology: minorities rising up against the supposedly oppressive majority (straight white men)

They are literal polar opposites. CIA sponsored the modern leftism to fight against marxism, because they saw it as a threat especially during the cold war.

These antifa faggots aren't revolutionary, they are literally sponsored by a billionaire (Soros) for god's sake! Unemployed aids carriers aren't the proletariat Marx was talking about

Modern left is just marxist ideas in social values instead of economy

 

[IWWorkER]

Marxism: majority rising up against the oppressive minority (bourgeouise)

Woke ideology: minorities rising up against the supposedly oppressive majority (straight white men)

They are literal polar opposites.

Straight white men are minority though, these people use "minority" as a positive label for any group of people they approve of. Hispanics are the majority in some parts of the USA yet are still counted as minorities. Same for niggers in Paris, or sandniggers in Marseille. Words have no meaning to them, they are just tools.

They are the same.

 

[IWWorkER]

incels should be embracing Marxism due to its focus on equality and improving material/economic conditions

Communists never improved material condition for anyone but their ruling class.
And they have no excuse, Russia was a huge country with basically infinite ressources back then, all communists could do was murder random peasents, wage gay wars, then collapse pathetically.

 

[IWWorkER]

Marxism is derivative of that.

Yeah so it doesn't change anything here.

Those things are wholly irrelevant to the point he was making.

They aren't though, that's my point.

it's clearly the bourgeoisie

I said "in essence". Owning stuff isn't written in DNA...

But for me the term "success" itself is a modern construct applied in retrospect whose understanding is subject to historical material forces.

And those "material forces", are somehow never genetics, it's only property rights. Unbelievable...

A local Bangladeshi blue collar worker can do the same work for the same number of hours as a Norwegian one and make 20 times less because he lives in bangladesh. But that's capitalist classism on an international scale followed by socialism on a national scale. Without the latter the Norwegian worker may be just as miserable. Hitler ultimately was not a unique phenomena, rather he was a product of what was, and still is, already going on. (which is why we still have fascists, who are okay with engaging in forever wars, expansion and enslavement on one hand and then claim european exceptionalism and isolationalism on the other, when they see immigrants as a result of those actions)

How did Norway and Bangladesh evolve so differently when they both qtarted from the same point ?
Must be material conditions... except Norway was a frozen shithole where you can't grow anything most of the year...

I highly doubt white people are working more difficult or dangerous jobs. You can argue they are doing more "successful" jobs. So a more apt example here would be a multiethnic state like USA , where the ethnic making less money belongs to the same nation (unlike Norway where an ethnic bangladeshi immigrant worker will make as much as a white worker owing to socialism).

"White people"... I said white men, if the race question is too difficult for you, you can try with sex, why are women poorer than men on average in similar countries ?
Must be the Patriarchy Capitalism...

Here we can see more of what you were going for with white people are predominantly doing more "successful" jobs/business while black workers forming a great part of the working backbone that is barely fighting back with weapons of socialism.

Are you serious ? Half of niggers are in jail for murder, if anything, they are the backbone of the prison population, not the working class jfl
Btw you already gave me that argument in another thread, and when I asked you to elaborate, you could not give me 1 (one) example of industry which would collapse without niggers.
Oh, maybe jail construction and drugs traffic, is that not something to look foward though ?

And this is something no smart person worth his salt would ever do in current state of history.

I'm not sure what you are saying here, are you saying people are actually equal ? On a blackpill forum ?

 

[literallyretarded]

By this title I meant, the modern "woke" movement is not an error from leftists, but it is the inevitable conclusion of Marxism. I will explain.

My biggest problem with Marxism is the unwritten rule which says: "people are equal in essence, they only differ due to their place in society"
Marx does not state this explicitly in his work as far as I know, (though I haven't read it all, to be fair,) but it is implied all throughout his works.
He does not believe race and sex have an impact on one's capacities, nor anything else. If you are on this forum, you already know how stupid this claim is.
Marx's whole worldview can be dumbed down to "the oppressor vs the oppressed", in his own words:

Now Marx doesn't explicitly give details of what "the oppressing class" is made of in essence, but whoever is successful must be so because he was born in a privileged position in society.
So if you observe white men, for example, being more successful, it can't be because they work more and harder, difficult or dangerous jobs, or anything similar... No, it must be that white men are privileged by society, and are forming the oppressing class to exploit others, any other explanation would be admitting people are unequal in essence.

It's easy to see how Marxism leads to the "woke" movement, and honestly, how could it not ? Marxism denies biological determinism, so like any ideology which denies evidence, it's worthless and should be thrown away.

I would have liked to add a few more things but I'm too tired from insomnia, I will add more if I can later.

Tagging people who might be interested:

Spoiler: Tags

@DarkStar
@DoomThreeShotgunner
@AtrociousCitizen
@Anarcho Nihilist
@Rapistcel
@Sewer Stomper
and of course
@Caesercel

( [Anti-Marxism] prefix to follow @Anarcho Nihilist 's first anti-marxism thread )

based we should kill all Marxist socialists and communists.

 

[literallyretarded]

The idea that everything is just a social construct that needs to be abolished is obviously going to lead to what we see in the modern day left.

Step one:
"Nations are fake and must be abolished"
"Gender roles are fake and must be abolished"
"Religion is fake and must be abolished"

Step two:
"Race is fake and must be abolished"
"Gender is fake and must be abolished"
"Morality is fake and must be abolished"

It's not a big leap at all, it was always going this direction

their ideology is so stupid like oh nothing exists everything is a social construct like how does anyone buy into that shit

 

[IWWorkER]

based we should kill all Marxist socialists and communists.

I train for this (not in a video game)

 

[literallyretarded]

Marxism: majority rising up against the oppressive minority (bourgeouise)

Woke ideology: minorities rising up against the supposedly oppressive majority (straight white men)

They are literal polar opposites. CIA sponsored the modern leftism to fight against marxism, because they saw it as a threat especially during the cold war.

These antifa faggots aren't revolutionary, they are literally sponsored by a billionaire (Soros) for god's sake! Unemployed aids carriers aren't the proletariat Marx was talking about

holy shit yea just leave out how marxism was created by jews and the real goal of the ideology is to use it to take over nations and kill white people for example soviet russia.

 

[literallyretarded]

I train for this (not in a video game)

yea i train for this everyday only things that keeps me going.

 

[IWWorkER]

yea i train for this everyday only things that keeps me going.

I'm not looking for a civil war or anything the like, and I'd rather lay on the beach in Polynesia or wherever far from here, but I still train for the day of the ropen so I won't be the one hanged when the time comes

 

[literallyretarded]

I'm not looking toward a civil war or anything the like, and I'd rather lay on the beach in Polynesia or wherever far from here, but I still train for the day of the ropen so I won't be the one hanged when the time comes

naw i am looking for civil war i want society to collapse and let their be total carnage and destruction then i can do whatever i want

 

[IWWorkER]

naw i am looking for civil war i want society to collapse and let their be total carnage and destruction then i can do whatever i want

We shall see

 

[literallyretarded]

We shall see

indeed we shall

 

[Caesercel]

I said "in essence". Owning stuff isn't written in DNA...

Except nothing in Marxism is particularly essentialist. In fact it's the non-essentialism through which it separates itself from divine right to rule, noble birth rights, race racialism or other such nonsense.

And those "material forces", are somehow never genetics, it's only property rights. Unbelievable...

Genetics are material forces though. The historical development contains within itself the evolutionary development. And from that standpoint it becomes a matter of a different kind of science. Let those guys deal with that while Marxists deal with the material development of social life. Unless you want to draw a connection between two, in which case I'd just listen to the experts.

How did Norway and Bangladesh evolve so differently when they both qtarted from the same point ?
Must be material conditions... except Norway was a frozen shithole where you can't grow anything most of the year...

Norway is still a shithole. It's just lucky enough to be closer to the epicenter of industrialisation and globalised trade structures (both things being inter dependent.) While Bangladesh is relegated to a different position in entirely in the imperial structure.

But you missed the point. Any development here on Norway's part is besides the point since the difference in wages is not material, it's relational. The Norwegian worker is not making more money because Norway "evolved more than Bangladesh" (whatever that means) or the Norwegian is doing 20 times more effeceit job. Norwegian businesses pay a lot because the country has good labour laws. And the businesses themselves are rich because international markets buy their stuff (usually other rich nations) . Do you really think that every morsel of raw material and manufacturing required to create those products is done on Norwegian soil? Or that only Norwegian labour is involved in creating that finished product from scratch?

The ivory coast cocoa farmer situation is my favorite example to illustrate this point.

Are you serious ? Half of niggers are in jail for murder, if anything, they are the backbone of the prison population, not the working class jfl
Btw you already gave me that argument in another thread, and when I asked you to elaborate, you could not give me 1 (one) example of industry which would collapse without niggers.

I am going to make the same point that I did to @Sewer Stomper . Without black people USA would collapse. Period. Anyone with any semblence of sanity left knows this as a fact. The problem is half the time I don't even know what I'm looking at. A literal claim of truth or hyperbole? Take for example the fact that most of them are obviously not in jail. And this point fails doubly because USA uses it's prison population for slave labour.

I'm not sure what you are saying here, are you saying people are actually equal ? On a blackpill forum ?

People are not equal obviously. But inequality is not rooted in "essence".

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Without black people USA would collapse. Period.

Execute or imprison all the violent ones without releasing them 100 times over, deport all the anti white BLM supporters to segregated reservations where they can have their wakanda with no white people, abolish DEI, the SPLC, ban BLM and black militias, and the normal non violent black people can do whatever they want.

None of this would do any more damage to the country than the current trajectory of whites becoming a ever decreasing minority and a bunch of retarded hijabi bitches like ilhan omar taking over who say "America's the worst country on earth" and "white men commit all the violent crime".

 

[Deportedcel]

Without black people USA would collapse. Period

Why are you such a nigger loving cuck?

There’s one I can’t even post here.

 

[Caesercel]

Why are you such a nigger loving cuck?

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There’s one I can’t even post here.

I am not wrong though

 

[literallyretarded]

Except nothing in Marxism is particularly essentialist. In fact it's the non-essentialism through which it separates itself from divine right to rule, noble birth rights, race racialism or other such nonsense.



Genetics are material forces though. The historical development contains within itself the evolutionary development. And from that standpoint it becomes a matter of a different kind of science. Let those guys deal with that while Marxists deal with the material development of social life. Unless you want to draw a connection between two, in which case I'd just listen to the experts.


Norway is still a shithole. It's just lucky enough to be closer to the epicenter of industrialisation and globalised trade structures (both things being inter dependent.) While Bangladesh is relegated to a different position in entirely in the imperial structure.

But you missed the point. Any development here on Norway's part is besides the point since the difference in wages is not material, it's relational. The Norwegian worker is not making more money because Norway "evolved more than Bangladesh" (whatever that means) or the Norwegian is doing 20 times more effeceit job. Norwegian businesses pay a lot because the country has good labour laws. And the businesses themselves are rich because international markets buy their stuff (usually other rich nations) . Do you really think that every morsel of raw material and manufacturing required to create those products is done on Norwegian soil? Or that only Norwegian labour is involved in creating that finished product from scratch?

The ivory coast cocoa farmer situation is my favorite example to illustrate this point.


I am going to make the same point that I did to @Sewer Stomper . Without black people USA would collapse. Period. Anyone with any semblence of sanity left knows this as a fact. The problem is half the time I don't even know what I'm looking at. A literal claim of truth or hyperbole? Take for example the fact that most of them are obviously not in jail. And this point fails doubly because USA uses it's prison population for slave labour.


People are not equal obviously. But inequality is not rooted in "essence".

we don't need all the paragraphs your whole point can be summed up as oy vey i hate whites i am jeet and i love jews and Israel kys shitskin this is the same guy who said he his a mentalcel and worships bbc

 

[cathuluelitist]

By this title I meant, the modern "woke" movement is not an error from leftists, but it is the inevitable conclusion of Marxism. I will explain.

My biggest problem with Marxism is the unwritten rule which says: "people are equal in essence, they only differ due to their place in society"
Marx does not state this explicitly in his work as far as I know, (though I haven't read it all, to be fair,) but it is implied all throughout his works.
He does not believe race and sex have an impact on one's capacities, nor anything else. If you are on this forum, you already know how stupid this claim is.
Marx's whole worldview can be dumbed down to "the oppressor vs the oppressed", in his own words:

Now Marx doesn't explicitly give details of what "the oppressing class" is made of in essence, but whoever is successful must be so because he was born in a privileged position in society.
So if you observe white men, for example, being more successful, it can't be because they work more and harder, difficult or dangerous jobs, or anything similar... No, it must be that white men are privileged by society, and are forming the oppressing class to exploit others, any other explanation would be admitting people are unequal in essence.

It's easy to see how Marxism leads to the "woke" movement, and honestly, how could it not ? Marxism denies biological determinism, so like any ideology which denies evidence, it's worthless and should be thrown away.

I would have liked to add a few more things but I'm too tired from insomnia, I will add more if I can later.

Tagging people who might be interested:

Spoiler: Tags

@DarkStar
@DoomThreeShotgunner
@AtrociousCitizen
@Anarcho Nihilist
@Rapistcel
@Sewer Stomper
and of course
@Caesercel

( [Anti-Marxism] prefix to follow @Anarcho Nihilist 's first anti-marxism thread )

The logical conclusion of Marxism is the absolute atomization of the individual and the total destruction of the organic community. SJW always needs an oppressor. At it's inception, they blamed Whites for everything and now that they can't blame whites because white supremacy is no longer a serious oppressing force, they blame the phantom racism within the institutions (CRE) so they usually end up in the Marxist circum which like them, needs an oppressor. Once the bourgeoisie or whatever the current oppressor they choose are dealt with, the logic of the system requires finding new categories of oppressors to maintain the dialectic. So Marxist and SJWs are in a perpetual cycle of finding new groups to victimize and new power structures to attack. These aren't serious people and are most of the time just levers for foreign peoples to overthrow the dominant peoples.

 

[SmhChan]

because white supremacy is no longer a serious oppressing force

So are we supposed to ignore the ongoing war in Iran?

 

[cathuluelitist]

So are we supposed to ignore the ongoing war in Iran?

Jews aren't White, if that's what you meant.

 

[SmhChan]

Jews aren't White, if that's what you meant.

Every accusation is a projection.

"Le Joos are systematically oppressing us JBWs."

Meanwhile your average JBW is relishing the destruction of Iran like a bloodthirsty demon because that means they could possibly fuck some Iranian whores.

Using the language of the left. "Muh Joo oppression" to wave off every degeneracy and demonic behavior you lot engage in.

Go fuck yourself. You JBWs are literally worthless parasites. What actual literal skills you lot have apart from being "cracked at Fortnite Creative?" Your white whores, who themselves are retarded fucks, are mogging the fuck out of you guys in school and college.

Your mothers are whores, your fathers are useless retards, you eat out of plastics, and you have the gall to claim genetic and moral superiority.

 

[cathuluelitist]

Every accusation is a projection.

"Le Joos are systematically oppressing us JBWs."

Meanwhile your average JBW is relishing the destruction of Iran like a bloodthirsty demon because that means they could possibly fuck some Iranian whores.

Using the language of the left. "Muh Joo oppression" to wave off every degeneracy and demonic behavior you lot engage in.

Go fuck yourself. You JBWs are literally worthless parasites. What actual literal skills you lot have apart from being "cracked at Fortnite Creative?" Your white whores, who themselves are retarded fucks, are mogging the fuck out of you guys in school and college.

Your mothers are whores, your fathers are useless retards, you eat out of plastics, and you have the gall to claim genetic and moral superiority.

Holy strawman. I'm not even Anglo-American although I am White, but not Anglo-American (main JBW demographic) I loathe JBWS.

 

[SmhChan]

Norway is still a shithole. It's just lucky enough to be closer to the epicenter of industrialisation and globalised trade structures (both things being inter dependent.) While Bangladesh is relegated to a different position in entirely in the imperial structure.

But you missed the point. Any development here on Norway's part is besides the point since the difference in wages is not material, it's relational. The Norwegian worker is not making more money because Norway "evolved more than Bangladesh" (whatever that means) or the Norwegian is doing 20 times more effeceit job. Norwegian businesses pay a lot because the country has good labour laws. And the businesses themselves are rich because international markets buy their stuff (usually other rich nations) . Do you really think that every morsel of raw material and manufacturing required to create those products is done on Norwegian soil? Or that only Norwegian labour is involved in creating that finished product from scratch?

The ivory coast cocoa farmer situation is my favorite example to illustrate this point.

Norway is also a huge exporter of Oil.

Looking back at my time in school, it seems so funny. The teachers used to berate us as “incompetent browns” whenever we made a mistake or slacked off. The whites were described to us as some hardworking geniuses. We really thought that was why white countries were so rich.

I have been working with whites for a few years now. I have yet to see any difference in intelligence or work ethic. Mind you, these are the whites who are supposed to be the “hardworking” ones. Meanwhile, my job in my country is considered a luxury job. JFL.

 

[cathuluelitist]

Norway is also a huge exporter of Oil.

Looking back at my time in school, it seems so funny. The teachers used to berate us as “incompetent browns” whenever we made a mistake or slacked off. The whites were described to us as some hardworking geniuses. We really thought that was why white countries were so rich.

I have been working with whites for a few years now. I have yet to see any difference in intelligence or work ethic. Mind you, these are the whites who are supposed to be the “hardworking” ones. Meanwhile, my job in my country is considered a luxury job. JFL.

This is cope. Europe and our diasporas are accountable for 97% of all significant scientific discoveries and technological inventions. This has almost nothing to do with habitus luck.

 

[Deportedcel]

I am not wrong though

Didn’t even deny the fact he’s a fag,

 

[Caesercel]

Norway is also a huge exporter of Oil.

Looking back at my time in school, it seems so funny. The teachers used to berate us as “incompetent browns” whenever we made a mistake or slacked off. The whites were described to us as some hardworking geniuses. We really thought that was why white countries were so rich.

I have been working with whites for a few years now. I have yet to see any difference in intelligence or work ethic. Mind you, these are the whites who are supposed to be the “hardworking” ones. Meanwhile, my job in my country is considered a luxury job. JFL.

I was only using that as an example. Replace Norway with any rich white nation and you get the same thing. And we know wealth of nations got nothing to do with hard work or intelligence.

 

[autistspy1]

Communists never improved material condition for anyone but their ruling class.
And they have no excuse, Russia was a huge country with basically infinite ressources back then, all communists could do was murder random peasents, wage gay wars, then collapse pathetically.

Russia never waged wars and they killed kulaks and nazis which are fair game. they were illegally dissolved. They transformed into a powerful nation as did China under Mao (PBUH)

 

[autistspy1]

The only difference between the USSR and modern woke is the attitude towards fags. Otherwise, feminism and equality for all races were the same. The cult of Jewish Marxist feminists like Rosa Luxemburg and Clara Zetkin. The freedom for women to be sluts and fuck whoever they want. Of course, there was also a cult of rice, niggers, curry, and more. The recognition of colonialism as the worst crime in human history. Oh, the evil white Europeans oppressing the people of Asia and Africa.

but despite that there wasn't the lib degeneracy or hoeing you see today, they still had basic moral and ethical standards. capitalism and liberalism drive the slutty shit today where people are just products looking for the next best thing

 

[autistspy1]

The USSR was a degenerate cesspool and a piece of shit. Women were literally the heads of their families, and they could get divorced whenever they wanted. The USSR also cultivated multiculturalism, taking money from Russian regions to subsidize non-Russian regions, such as Central Asia or the South Caucasus, in the name of national friendship. The USSR also cultivated multiculturalism through its youth festivals in 1957, where Slavic whores allowed foreigners to fuck them after a few hours of communication.

it was nothing like western capitalist degeneracy which is the root of the problems we face today

 

[IWWorkER]

Except nothing in Marxism is particularly essentialist

Yeah that's the problem.

Without black people USA would collapse.

Arguments ?

 

[IWWorkER]

Russia never waged wars

Bro never heard of Poland, Finland Ukraine, Afghanistan, etc