It's crazy that we have to pay money to exist.

[Shitskin=Shitlife]

It costs money to drink water. Basic shelter costs money. I never chose to be born so I shouldn't have to wageslave for mr Goldberg just to exist.

I wish I could live on a self-sufficient plot of farm land with an internet connection.

 

[Icarus]

Life was an imposition placed on us. A burden. A waste of time and energy.

 

[sellsword]

i sometimes understand monks

 

[Shitskin=Shitlife]

In a hunter gatherer tribe you wouldn't even need to catch the prey. The man who caught it would have to share with the tribe.

 

[Dr. Autismo]

Plenty of basic things like food and water are essential to sustaining life, so they should be free.

Weird how some countries have free health care, but not free food

 

[poorenglishcel]

Yes. If i was born a long time ago all i need to do was to find an apple tree to eat an apple. But now you gotta spend whole your childhood, teenhood and adulthood going through school, getting degrees, doing internships and then finally getting a wagie job that you have to do for the rest of your life to get a chance to pay the overlords skekels to grant you the permission to eat that apple which has now been filled with all sort of chemicals. What sort of insanity is this! At least i would be free in the past even if there were a 100 dangers that could kill me but now i die everyday. Everything was free on this earth until those bastards got to those resources first and started selling them.

 

[Reapercel]

It costs money to drink water. Basic shelter costs money. I never chose to be born so I shouldn't have to wageslave for mr Goldberg just to exist.

I wish I could live on a self-sufficient plot of farm land with an internet connection.

Especially now if you want to hunt your food you probably be jailed

 

[Argenfarker]

Life was an imposition placed on us. A burden. A waste of time and energy.

 

[Excalibur]

Money is merely credit for effort or work. I don't like that it exists, but it makes perfect sense and is necessary when you consider that we live in a world without unlimited resources.

If you lived as a hunter-gatherer, you would have to work in one way or another to survive. Even if you had a tribe to take care of you, it would be impossible to do absolutely nothing, because then you would be nothing more than a useless eater and a burden on the tribe, which would naturally lead to you being killed or banished, which would also be tantamount to a death sentence.

 

[Xul]

I get paid to exist

 

[Xul]

I get paid to exist

Its crazy to me theyd rather pay me than let me die, like why sys?

 

[SEX NIGGA]

Yes I also feel like that. It’s just a unfair feeling that I will probably have to work for the rest of my life while dudes my age are enjoying life to their fullest on some tropical island with prostitutes and unlimited alcohol, because they were born into a rich successful family and I was born to modern day peasants.

 

[Shitskin=Shitlife]

Money is merely credit for effort or work. I don't like that it exists, but it makes perfect sense and is necessary when you consider that we live in a world without unlimited resources.

If you lived as a hunter-gatherer, you would have to work in one way or another to survive. Even if you had a tribe to take care of you, it would be impossible to do absolutely nothing, because then you would be nothing more than a useless eater and a burden on the tribe, which would naturally lead to you being killed or banished, which would also be tantamount to a death sentence.

Hunter gatherers would only hunt for a couple of hours a day. The food was shared with the entire tribe. Even if you never caught anything you would still get food.

That's not the same as begging an employer to be their replaceable cog slave who will spend most of the day toiling just to barely afford shelter and food. All of the animals have been hunted to near extinction and all of the land is owned so I can't even live like our ancestors did.

 

[Sex-Starved Beast]

If you lived as a hunter-gatherer, you would have to work in one way or another to survive. Even if you had a tribe to take care of you, it would be impossible to do absolutely nothing, because then you would be nothing more than a useless eater and a burden on the tribe, which would naturally lead to you being killed or banished, which would also be tantamount to a death sentence.

Difference is that in a hunter gatherer tribe, work is always needed and you can be useful to the tribe as long as you have the intention, unless you're extremely disabled, in which case you die. Not the same as trying to get a job in a city in a developed country as a slightly autistic low-IQ white male where you're told to fuck off because nobody actually needs or wants you anywhere. I'm supposed to work to live, but at the same time nobody wants me to.

Money is merely credit for effort or work.

Effort? Surely the foid working in HR or Onlyfans worked harder than some poor dude breaking his back in a factory, right? She earns more money after all.
Maybe that's true in the hunter-gatherer tribe. Saying that money is credit for effort is as bluepilled and rooted in just-world fallacy as claiming that getting pussy is credit for being a good person.

 

[Excalibur]

Hunter gatherers would only hunt for a couple of hours a day. The food was shared with the entire tribe. Even if you never caught anything you would still get food.

That's not the same as begging an employer to be their replaceable cog slave who will spend most of the day toiling just to barely afford shelter and food. All of the animals have been hunted to near extinction and all of the land is owned so I can't even live like our ancestors did.

I never claimed that it was the same thing. Of course, the life of a hunter-gatherer is very different from that of a wagie in modern society. My point was that today it is easier than ever to be a NEET who does nothing all day.

I was just explaining the origins of money and why it needs to exist. And being a hunter-gatherer wasn't a cakewalk as you make it out to be. Disease, natural disasters, and arbitrary violence like wars were a constantly threatening to wipe out entire tribes. Struggling and suffering were very present and part of the human condition.

 

[Shitskin=Shitlife]

Difference is that in a hunter gatherer tribe, work is always needed and you can be useful to the tribe as long as you have the intention, unless you're extremely disabled, in which case you die. Not the same as trying to get a job in a city in a developed country as a slightly autistic low-IQ white male where you're told to fuck off because nobody actually needs or wants you anywhere. I'm supposed to work to live, but at the same time nobody wants me to.


Effort? Surely the foid working in HR or Onlyfans worked harder than some poor dude breaking his back in a factory, right? She earns more money after all.
Maybe that's true in the hunter-gatherer tribe. Saying that money is credit for effort is as bluepilled and rooted in just-world fallacy as claiming that getting pussy is credit for being a good person.

You only needed to show effort. Even if you never killed anything you would be accepted and the kill was shared. The most important thing is that they all had sex and were free.

I never claimed that it was the same thing. Of course, the life of a hunter-gatherer is very different from that of a wagie in modern society. My point was that today it is easier than ever to be a NEET who does nothing all day.

I was just explaining the origins of money and why it needs to exist. And being a hunter-gatherer wasn't a cakewalk as you make it out to be. Disease, natural disasters, and arbitrary violence like wars were a constantly threatening to wipe out entire tribes. Struggling and suffering were very present and part of the human condition.

They had short yet good lives. There are no incels in hunter gatherer tribes. Research the Himba. There were no hunter gatherers who were 30 year old virgins. Sex would naturally happen. Wizardcels are a modern thing.

In my opinion, hunting your own food and being self sufficient is better than being enslaved to an employer who doesn't give a fuck about you. Being a NEET is difficult because you need to get approved for disability which has become exponentially more difficult in the anglosphere over the past decade.

I like technology so a mix of both would be ideal. Living on a farm with a high speed Internet connection.

 

[Excalibur]

Effort? Surely the foid working in HR or Onlyfans worked harder than some poor dude breaking his back in a factory, right? She earns more money after all.

Maybe that's true in the hunter-gatherer tribe. Saying that money is credit for effort is as bluepilled and rooted in just-world fallacy as claiming that getting pussy is credit for being a good person.

I was explaining why money came into existence. Before money, there was bartering, which allowed individuals to exchange resources of equal value. These resources were usually acquired through their labor. Money was created to represent the value of these resources, which was tied to the effort required to produce them. Naturally, thousands of years of technological and social development made it possible for groups of people to generate nearly limitless amounts of money without having to work hard, but of course, some people ultimately have to work for money to retain its value. From here, you can argue that the people who work are being exploited and money is unequally distributed, but that’s another discussion.

You only needed to show effort. Even if you never killed anything you would be accepted and the kill was shared. The most important thing is that they all had sex and were free.


They had short yet good lives. There are no incels in hunter gatherer tribes. Research the Himba. There were no hunter gatherers who were 30 year old virgins. Sex would naturally happen. Wizardcels are a modern thing.

In my opinion, hunting your own food and being self sufficient is better than being enslaved to an employer who doesn't give a fuck about you. Being a NEET is difficult because you need to get approved for disability which has become exponentially more difficult in the anglosphere over the past decade.

I like technology so a mix of both would be ideal. Living on a farm with a high speed Internet connection.

I actually agree with your general statement that hunter-gatherer societies are in many ways more fulfilling and less demoralizing than modern industrial capitalist societies. I just don't like how people tend to romanticize hunter-gatherer societies as noble savages in a Garden of Eden without struggles and sacrifices.

 

[Shitskin=Shitlife]

I was explaining why money came into existence. Before money, there was bartering, which allowed individuals to exchange resources of equal value. These resources were usually acquired through their labor. Money was created to represent the value of these resources, which was tied to the effort required to produce them. Naturally, thousands of years of technological and social development made it possible for groups of people to generate nearly limitless amounts of money without having to work hard, but of course, some people ultimately have to work for money to retain its value. From here, you can argue that the people who work are being exploited and money is unequally distributed, but that’s another discussion.

I actually agree with your general statement that hunter-gatherer societies are in many ways more fulfilling and less demoralizing than modern industrial capitalist societies. I just don't like how people tend to romanticize hunter-gatherer societies as noble savages in a Garden of Eden without struggles and sacrifices.

I know, but it was never common to use money in daily life until the industrial revolution. Money has been around before written language but it wasn't needed to merely exist.
Money was only widely used in cities. Rural people did not need money to exist. They lived on their land which they farmed to sustain themselves and their families. Throughout most of human history you would either hunt prey as a tribe or farm your own plot of land to survive. Water was clean and free. You could drink from your local well or even river and be safe. You have to pay money to drink water now. Today all of the water is polluted, all of the land is owned, and all of the animals are nearly extinct.

You have to beg Mr. Shekelburg for a job and you need a constant stream of money from Mr. Shekelberg or you will lose the roof over your head.

 

[Shitskin=Shitlife]

I was explaining why money came into existence. Before money, there was bartering, which allowed individuals to exchange resources of equal value. These resources were usually acquired through their labor. Money was created to represent the value of these resources, which was tied to the effort required to produce them. Naturally, thousands of years of technological and social development made it possible for groups of people to generate nearly limitless amounts of money without having to work hard, but of course, some people ultimately have to work for money to retain its value. From here, you can argue that the people who work are being exploited and money is unequally distributed, but that’s another discussion.

I actually agree with your general statement that hunter-gatherer societies are in many ways more fulfilling and less demoralizing than modern industrial capitalist societies. I just don't like how people tend to romanticize hunter-gatherer societies as noble savages in a Garden of Eden without struggles and sacrifices.

Many of the jobs people do in moderm post-industrial economies are fake. Read David Graeber's bullshit jobs.

"David Graeber’s Bullshit Jobs argues that roughly 37% to 50% of the workforce feel their jobs make no meaningful contribution to the world, often described as "pointless" or "pointless but you have to pretend that it's different". His 2018 book, based on a 2015 YouGov survey, found 37% of British workers believed their work did not contribute to the world."

This is especially true for women who work in fake make work adult daycare jobs. Much of the work in this fake economy isn't even needed or meaningful.

 

[NickelodeonCel]

Yup, I'm a poorfag

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

It's called slavery

 

[Wolnir]

You'd still have to hunt for food and find water yourself if there was no civilization, but in my opinion, life would be more fulfilling if we were self sufficient. You can never truly escape the system.