Israel becomes the first country to recognize Somaliland

[Pikacel]

Why is tribalism so strong in Somalia? Kazakhstan had an even more complex tribal system, yet they are not fighting each other along tribal lines today. Hmm maybe they need a strong foreign force to genocide them so that they can unite, like what happened in kazakhstan

What’s stopping secessionist tribes from siding with genociders xd

 

[hatepilledandrich]

What’s stopping secessionist tribes from siding with genociders xd

they all look the same to the genocider, and the genocider has no need for them.

 

[Skelly]

Just because some installations exist in Djibouti doesn't mean they're sufficient

It is sufficient. Djbouti gives everything recognizing SL would possibly do in that case, and all without alienating themselves against the entire world

Berbera could be a lifeline to the Ethiopian economy if the US could ensure stability within Somaliland, thus gaining massive leverage with it

Ethiopia is an entirely different topic, but even they didn't want to recognize SL since it's a super retarded move

uniqueness' doesn't make it any less of a precedent

Yes actually.
Kosovo:
UN coalition
NATO backing
SL:
Israel
It's a completely different situation. Recognizing Kosovo was just following the crowd, recognizing SL would be going against everybody for no reason

Such unilateral moves are a hallmark of regimes facing hegemonic downfall

They feel the need to show initiative amid a downfall of relative strength

Tales
America isn't that cucked yet

 

[Undervalued]

Even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't matter. Somaliland could be heaven on earth, irl wakanda and it still wouldn't change the fact that they have zero international backing besides Israel. Why the hell would America isolate themselves for no reason? They already have plenty of contact with Somalia and Djbouti, they have no need. Unless the connections with djbouti rapidly I don't see any reason for them to upend 30+ years of progress

Israel is a small country that is sensitive to changes in international opinion, being dependent on foreign aid and world trade.

It cannot survive international boycotts like those placed on Apartheid South Africa, and has major influence over US foreign policy (see the Abraham Accords).

Of course, you may be right, and this goes nowhere. But I am very uncertain.

 

[Pikacel]

Do you realize international trade is a thing? It's not the 19th Century. Internal market size is not a leading factor in economic development. Iceland (pop: 396K) is richer than Germany (pop: 84M).

It should have been granted independence a long time ago. I asked my father about the situation, and his opposition really just boiled down to silly tribal grievances.

US should recognize Somaliland so as to be able to interact with a stable and real local state rather than the anarchic mess currently called Somalia.

There is plenty of precedent.

Eh

Rn money is just switching hands between elites, diasporas and foreigners. There’s absolutely no internal economy in Somaliland outside of some farms, livestock and frankincense/myrrh. Medieval tier shit basically. Gaining a couple more billion in tax revenues from increased trade isn’t going to create an economic boom. It’s just the same rent seeking policies aimed at funding do-nothing bureaucrats.

I just don’t trust the Somali culture. Recognition is only seen as a way to get ‘easy money’. They don’t really want to work or build up their country. As a lazy person myself I completely see through this

 

[Skelly]

Recognition is only seen as a way to get ‘easy money’. They don’t really want to work or build up their country. As a lazy person myself I completely see through this

You wouldn't create an entire country just for aid money jfl. If they only wanted that then they would just accept being with Somalia and beg the federal government for aid. The new constitution gives them significant leverage if they were to accept

 

[a deleteduser #]

Who cares about third world country anyway?

 

[ogercel]

will they accept any Somaliland refugees?

Straight to Minasotta

 

[Skelly]

but didn't say anything. Then Somalia discovered massive amounts of oil off it's shores
Somalia and Turkey were planning to release a joint statement this Sunday (yesterday) on this wonderful news

@Moth @Pikacel They finally got around to it today and it was revealed $2 TRILLION worth of oil and gas were found off of Somalia's shores. Holy shit man no wonder Israel wanted to destabilize the region so badly. I won't be surprised if America recognizes SL these next few weeks.

 

[GloomyGhoul]

will they accept any Somaliland refugees?

I don’t think that’ll make much of a difference considering most Israelis are racemixed

 

[GloomyGhoul]

Two groups I absolutely despise. Kikes and niggers

 

[Pikacel]

@Moth @Pikacel They finally got around to it today and it was revealed $2 TRILLION worth of oil and gas were found off of Somalia's shores. Holy shit man no wonder Israel wanted to destabilize the region so badly. I won't be surprised if America recognizes SL these next few weeks.

Eh this isn’t good, Somalia isn’t fit to handle wealth like that

 

[Moth]

@Moth @Pikacel They finally got around to it today and it was revealed $2 TRILLION worth of oil and gas were found off of Somalia's shores. Holy shit man no wonder Israel wanted to destabilize the region so badly. I won't be surprised if America recognizes SL these next few weeks.

I wondered if that had something to do with it, I should've known. Always about the oil.

 

[Skelly]

Eh this isn’t good, Somalia isn’t fit to handle wealth like that

Holy cope
"Urrmm you don't deserve to handle your own wealth.. give it all to us we'll handle it"
Are you an Israeli bot?

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

 

[Pikacel]

Holy cope
"Urrmm you don't deserve to handle your own wealth.. give it all to us we'll handle it"
Are you an Israeli bot?

Somali leaders will ensure all the money will go to foreigners. Africans can’t handle wealth responsibly

Food security, internal stability, drought/flood relief, irrigation/damming, infrastructure, rule of law

Somalia can’t even do these basic things let alone handle oil wealth. These are more important

 

[Skelly]

Food security, internal stability, drought/flood relief, irrigation/damming, infrastructure, rule of law

Now how are you supposed to do any of this without a source of wealth? Beg forever?

 

[Pikacel]

Now how are you supposed to do any of this without a source of wealth? Beg forever?

Tbh infrastructure is expensive but you don’t need oil wealth for security or drought relief. Siad Barre was able to prevent mass starvation during a drought and Somalia was poorer back then.

Apparently drought relief is so cheap that preparing for a drought beforehand is cheaper than just letting it happen.

A tale of two droughts: one killed 260,000 people, the other none. Why? | Assia Sidibe

Disaster insurance offers a new model for economic self-sufficiency. In African countries, every $1 invested saves $4.40 in the aftermath of an emergency

www.theguardian.com

Inflow of wealth doesn’t guarantee security or benefit the populace. Can easily go to some African warlord like gold mines with RSF or Congo with it’s vast resources. Nigeria and Sudan have oil wealth and they aren’t doing much better than any other Sub-Saharan country.

IDK it seems to be a corruption/negliegence problem rather than lack of wealth. Money is just wasted instead of utilised. I think oil money is a cope

 

[Skelly]

IDK it seems to be a corruption/negliegence problem rather than lack of wealth. Money is just wasted instead of utilised

Better to think of money as leverage in this situation. the federal goverment can use their oil wealth to force out all of those little warlords and make better deals with other countries. Currently somalia has no power and can only watch as foreign entities and tribal warlords get their way.

Congo with it’s vast resources. Nigeria and Sudan have oil wealth and they aren’t doing much better than any other Sub-Saharan country

All of those countries you mentioned are actively getting raped hard by western powers jfl.

 

[Skelly]

Siad Barre was able to prevent mass starvation during a drought and Somalia was poorer back then

Yeah and they were allied with the USSR at the time, a global superpower that could fund these efforts. And what do you mean poorer back then? Are you delusional?

 

[Pikacel]

Better to think of money as leverage in this situation. the federal goverment can use their oil wealth to force out all of those little warlords and make better deals with other countries. Currently somalia has no power and can only watch as foreign entities and tribal warlords get their way.

The current government itself is a consequence of foreign meddling, it needs to be replaced more than anything

All of those countries you mentioned are actively getting raped hard by western powers jfl. Just putting it out there that it's not 100% their own fault

Nobody is raping Sudan but themselves. The current ethnic conflict has been ongoing for centuries

Tbh you’re right Congo gets raped by everyone. Belgium did it so dirty

Yeah and they were allied with the USSR at the time, a global superpower that could fund these efforts. And what do you mean poorer back then? Are you delusional?

Somalia’s GDP has increased since then, the government is just useless

The problem nowadays is that crisis such as displacement/famine gives aid NGOs more funding which then benefits the Somalis who moneymaxx from aid.

Suffering and relief is like a business RN

You don’t need a global superpower for drought relief, it’s very cheap and easy to do

 

[Skelly]

Nobody is raping Sudan but themselves. The current ethnic conflict has been ongoing for centuries

bullshit. Who do you think is funding RSF? Where do you think all of their gold is going?

The current government itself is a consequence of foreign meddling, it needs to be replaced more than anything

Replacement is the worst thing that could happen, 2009 all over again

Somalia’s GDP has increased since then, the government is just useless

number go up doesnt mean anything if they dont have the ability to invest it back into the country

The problem nowadays is that crisis such as displacement/famine gives aid NGOs more funding which then benefits the Somalis who moneymaxx from aid.

True, but it's not just somalis benefitting. It's also all of the middlemen (which includes western agencies who get the majority of the aid money back jfl).
The entire aid system is fucked, the whole thing needs to be shut off.

 

[Pikacel]

bullshit. Who do you think is funding RSF? Where do you think all of their gold is going?

>Black dude gets paid 100 bucks to rape a child to a death
>It’s not his fault, foreign agents paid him to do it

Foreigners aren’t responsible for how Sudan carries out it’s politics. Blacks aren’t babies who need to be spoonfed and paternalised all the time. We’re capable of being responsible for our own actions.

If the Sudanese government chose to gift vast gold mines to warlords then that’s their fault. If Baggara Arabs join RSF in order to plunder and rape then that’s on them. Allah won’t forgive them in the afterlife just because they were being paid by other Arabs.

Replacement is the worst thing that could happen, 2009 all over again

Yep the South had a rule of law through the Islamic Courts Union until they propped up fake govt just like how Afghanistan and Libya got fucked over

number go up doesnt mean anything if they dont have the ability to invest it back into the country

Militia tolls and officials make business near impossible. Under Siad Barre rebel militias would get massacred for trying shit like this, which allowed the govt to somewhat function. Whereas FGS doesn’t really give af as long as it gets that foreign aid

True, but it's not just somalis benefitting. It's also all of the middlemen (which includes western agencies who get the majority of the aid money back jfl).
The entire aid system is fucked, the whole thing needs to be shut off.

It’s mostly Somalis who benefit from it