Israel becomes first country to recognise Somaliland
Breakaway region of Somalia achieves diplomatic breakthrough after more than 30 years without international recognition.
Phul support saar
will they accept any Somaliland refugees?
So they never thought Sweden was a country until now?
Good
@Pikacel
It shows an unhealthy obsession with politics, ‘international recognition’, ‘foreign relations’ thinking they’re accomplishing something when they have a gdp of 5 billion (mostly aid)
Nah, the goyim will have to accept them instead
Bummer
They can’t fool muh.
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diversity for thee, but not for me
What's the lore behind Somaliland
They must be running drugs through there.
@Skelly
Basically poor shithole that thinks secessionism will turn it into first world country. Like Kurdistan but worse?
Israel needs diversity and Somali men x Israeli women would be a strong couple against the patriarchy
it exists so the US can control the strait to the red sea
What else should the government be 'obsessed' with?
There's no way to grow out of being a shithole without extensive aid and capital influx, which requires recognition
Somaliland was a British colony while the rest of Somalia was an Italian one
Administration which these govts don’t do
They alr have aid, stability and capital yet do nothing with it.
The extent to which a state can conduct administrative tasks depends on the level of economic development, not the will of individuals
There's no impoverished state which conducts administration properly, because it's constrained by the structural reality
Somalia struggles to offer a stable and lawful environment for business/capital. There’s no security, corruption from the bottom up, mafia tier politicians.
Ghana, Rwanda, Kenya etc are broke but offer way better business environment and have a half functional administration
Somaliland is far better in that regard than the rest of Somalia, safety is not the the primary factor impeding it's development
Lack of recognition is what's hindering the flow of capital
Tbh idk, Djibouti is similar and it’s not exactly Singapore. And Somaliland shows similar signs of stagnation (rent seeking economy, lack of democracy).
Flow of capital just creates an insular economy of diasporas and expats while the locals are priced out and stuck in slums (unless they have access to remittance). Capital enters and capital leaves. Foreigners build a business, hire foreigners then sell to expats or diaspora. Cortisol fuel.
This feudal secession crap is cope and won’t accomplish anything, Somalia needs to modernise and transition into rule of law courts/market economy/build real infrastructure. Constant desire to split into a billion statelets is part of the problem
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High IQ
Djibouti is not to be taken as an example of anything, it's a remnant of colonialism which is used as an outpost for ensuring Suez stability
Somaliland has a rule of law and institutional framework superior to that of the rest of Somalia given British colonization
Clan differences that are ever-present elsewhere are obviously quite muted, given the relative lack of safety issues
Its development shouldn't be hindered by the degeneracy that goes on in the 'mainland', however inherently low its potential may be
Somaliland actually has a functioning government, so it’s instantly better than the rest of Somalia. Most of the Somalis we see as refugees in the West aren’t from Somaliland, since it’s far more stable.
Eh, Somaliland is basically a tribal fief run bt one clan (despite like half of the state belonging to other clans, who may themselves seek independence in response) and regularly engages in low level tribal warfare. It’s not a proper modern state.
The Somali statelets need to reconcile and make compromise, not this West Midlands seeking independence from Greater London BS. Instead it’s South pressuring Somaliland, Somaliland going around begging and betraying for a shard of recognition to the point celebrating because Israel threw them a bone Lol, Nigger backwater state wants international recognition and independence
How are you going to build real infrastructure, guarantee security and respond to crisis when you’re stuck dealing with 100 different fiefs that refuse to cooperate
tbh I was expected more countries to follow suit, but it really does look like it's just Israel on this one. A ton of international orgs like the EU, AU, Arab league etc have released statements condemning the act. Even the united states re-affirmed Somalia's territorial integrity. The UN is holding an emergency vote on Monday (today btw) on this and I'm assuming it'll be like 193-1
breakaway region of Somalia. Somalia says they are apart of them, Somaliland says they are independent. Everybody agreed with Somalia until Israel officially recognized them as independent on Saturday
>what does Israel want
Easy place to shoot Houthis (main goverment of yemen, very antisemetic) from
>why now
Somalia has started to actually enforce it's maritime borders for once, with help from Turkey. Israel saw this and went
but didn't say anything. Then Somalia discovered massive amounts of oil off it's shores. Israel saw this one and went
(He's jolly because this happened literally last week)
Somalia and Turkey were planning to release a joint statement this Sunday (yesterday) on this wonderful news, but Israel threw a wrench into this whole thing by officially recognizing Somaliland on Saturday. This slowed everything down to a halt, which is what Israel hoped to achieve with this move.
That's pretty much where we're at right now. Now they weren't plotting to steal all of the oil or anything, they get plenty from their loyal puppet-states allies. They just needed a cover so they can finally set their plan into motion. (Israel’s foreign minister said the move was a "culmination of a year of dialogue")
If I didn't make it clear enough, ISRAEL DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SOMALILAND. Not it's "stability" or it's "intelligence" or it's "rule of law" (jfl), not even it's ports. It's just a useful place to dump their military bases in, and Palestinians that they booted from their homes. #StopSomaliReplacement.
>what does somaliland get out of this
Recognition and uhh that's it. Yes they cut off all of their allies and let Israel walk all over them for recognition. Recognition from the most hated country in the world. This is the equivalent of jestermaxxing and selling out your best friend to get a high five from the school hoe and you get a super STD from it.
WHERE IS THE CAPITAL COMING FROM MARK? THINK, THEY JUST ALLIED THEMSELVES AGAINST TURKEY, QATAR, YEMEN, DJBOUTI, EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, OMAN, THE EU, THE AU, THE ARAB LEAGUE AND THE FUCKING UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND POSSIBLY THE UN. NOBODY WANTS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM. THEY DON'T EVEN OWN THEIR OWN PORTS. THEY HAVE NO CAPITAL TO SPEAK OF, THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD TO FEED THEIR OWN POPULATION
Why do you think they haven't been recognized by anyone these past 30 years? Because everybody can see from a mile away that this is a completely made-up country and recognizing them would do NOTHING and cause it to instantly collapse into a bunch of squabbling tribal states looking to get their own slice of the pie. You can moralfag all you want about how much SL "deserves to be indepdent!!1" but good vibes wont give you secure borders and stability and public support (Most of Somaliland doesn't actually want to secede btw). If you want to see the end result of ignoring all of that just look at the sorry state South Sudan is in
>what is somaliland
breakaway region of Somalia. Somalia says they are apart of them, Somaliland says they are independent. Everybody agreed with Somalia until Israel officially recognized them as independent on Saturday
>what does Israel want
Easy place to shoot Houthis (main goverment of yemen, very antisemetic) from
>why now
Somalia has started to actually enforce it's maritime borders for once, with help from Turkey. Israel saw this and went
but didn't say anything. Then Somalia discovered massive amounts of oil off it's shores. Israel saw this one and went
(He's jolly because this happened literally last week)
Somalia and Turkey were planning to release a joint statement this Sunday (yesterday) on this wonderful news, but Israel threw a wrench into this whole thing by officially recognizing Somaliland on Saturday. This slowed everything down to a halt, which is what Israel hoped to achieve with this move.
That's pretty much where we're at right now. Now they weren't plotting to steal all of the oil or anything, they get plenty from their
If I didn't make it clear enough, ISRAEL DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SOMALILAND. Not it's "stability" or it's "intelligence" or it's "rule of law" (jfl), not even it's ports. It's just a useful place to dump their military bases in, and Palestinians that they booted from their homes. #StopSomaliReplacement.
Seriously it's a real thing, SL's foreign minister that they are ready to accept Palestinians en masse. 
Israel swiftly denied this take but JFL at the implications. How would this even function? 2mil foreign refugees flooding into a country that can barely feed it's 6m population. Think Lebanese civil war but way, way worse. And what would the logistics of this even be? Flying them in? SL hardly has any paved roads, much less a functioning airport. Shipping them in? They don't even control their own ports. Long story but SL only controls like 30% of the territory it claims jfl.
Israel swiftly denied this take but JFL at the implications. How would this even function? 2mil foreign refugees flooding into a country that can barely feed it's 6m population. Think Lebanese civil war but way, way worse. And what would the logistics of this even be? Flying them in? SL hardly has any paved roads, much less a functioning airport. Shipping them in? They don't even control their own ports. Long story but SL only controls like 30% of the territory it claims jfl.Recognition and uhh that's it. Yes they cut off all of their allies and let Israel walk all over them for recognition. Recognition from the most hated country in the world. This is the equivalent of jestermaxxing and selling out your best friend to get a high five from the school hoe and you get a super STD from it.
WHERE IS THE CAPITAL COMING FROM MARK? THINK, THEY JUST ALLIED THEMSELVES AGAINST TURKEY, QATAR, YEMEN, DJBOUTI, EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, OMAN, THE EU, THE AU, THE ARAB LEAGUE AND THE FUCKING UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND POSSIBLY THE UN. NOBODY WANTS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM. THEY DON'T EVEN OWN THEIR OWN PORTS. THEY HAVE NO CAPITAL TO SPEAK OF, THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD TO FEED THEIR OWN POPULATION
Why do you think they haven't been recognized by anyone these past 30 years? Because everybody can see from a mile away that this is a completely made-up country and recognizing them would do NOTHING and cause it to instantly collapse into a bunch of squabbling tribal states looking to get their own slice of the pie. You can moralfag all you want about how much SL "deserves to be indepdent!!1" but good vibes wont give you secure borders and stability and public support (Most of Somaliland doesn't actually want to secede btw). If you want to see the end result of ignoring all of that just look at the sorry state South Sudan is in
This is the worst one man. Out of all the retarded takes I've seen this is the worst. Do you seriously believe this? Please spell it out for me I am completely bamboozled by what you could mean by this. Not even the most die hard SL nationalist would say something like this
dude awdal just had a massive pro unionist rebellion that ended in armed troops opening fire and Awdal and Salal said they were "ready for war" what do you mean "relative lack of safety issues". tldr They REFUSE to let SL use any of it's ports which is currently starving out the population so they send a bunch of their troops there to try and reclaim it and they got their asses beat and send back.
>Just make a new port
You can't. Too expensive
>Give them money
You'd have to constantly give them money so they can maintain it. Something something give a man a fish. It's not even a matter of willpower or anything, they simply cannot muster enough funds to build and maintain a huge manmade port in the middle of a mountainous desert that's in direct competition with the massive and bustling ports in and along the Red Sea
>Just give them the money
Why would you do that when Djibouti is right there.
BTW all of this is along clan lines
This is just a little snippet off the top of my head but I promise you SL isn't the "functional, secure, democratic heaven" that just needs a little recognition for it to acheive it's "full potential" it's an unstable dangerous African shithole that's constantly embroiled in clan based conflict WHICH IS WHY NOBODY HAS RECOGNIZED IT FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS
You ever been to the UK?
This whole thing has been pretty gemmy doe
Never in a million years did I think this would ever happen. I mean I knew these guys were cucked but come on man. Where the hell did they even get all of these israeli flags from? Did these niggas have it on standby?
And this is a 99% Sunni Muslim country. They even have the shahada on their flag. Hating Israel is basically the 10th commandment for them. Now muslim countries just see them as a zionist kaffir.
"b-b-b-b-but some arab countries have diplomatic ties with Israel!!"
Image matters. Not even the UAE which is the most blantantly pro-zionist arab country would ever be caught dead near an israeli flag outside of an official diplomatic meeting. Now just imagine what happens to SL's image when they project the Israeli flag on a jumbo megatron display. Holy fak man
This is what I mean when I said they cut off all their allies. In 1972 Israel tried to offer recognition to Bangladesh (Muslim country) and they REJECTED it. How do you let fucking Bangladesh have more integrity than you? I mean did they even think 2 seconds into the future? Nobody wants anything to do with them now except Israel, who want to pump n dump them and leave them much worse off then before. Proxy war incoming?
Never in a million years did I think this would ever happen. I mean I knew these guys were cucked but come on man. Where the hell did they even get all of these israeli flags from? Did these niggas have it on standby?
And this is a 99% Sunni Muslim country. They even have the shahada on their flag. Hating Israel is basically the 10th commandment for them. Now muslim countries just see them as a zionist kaffir.
"b-b-b-b-but some arab countries have diplomatic ties with Israel!!"
Image matters. Not even the UAE which is the most blantantly pro-zionist arab country would ever be caught dead near an israeli flag outside of an official diplomatic meeting. Now just imagine what happens to SL's image when they project the Israeli flag on a jumbo megatron display. Holy fak man
This is what I mean when I said they cut off all their allies. In 1972 Israel tried to offer recognition to Bangladesh (Muslim country) and they REJECTED it. How do you let fucking Bangladesh have more integrity than you? I mean did they even think 2 seconds into the future? Nobody wants anything to do with them now except Israel, who want to pump n dump them and leave them much worse off then before. Proxy war incoming?
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Typical Sub-Saharan low IQ and poor impulse controlThis whole thing has been pretty gemmy doe
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Never in a million years did I think this would ever happen. I mean I knew these guys were cucked but come on man. Where the hell did they even get all of these israeli flags from? Did these niggas have it on standby?
And this is a 99% Sunni Muslim country. They even have the shahada on their flag. Hating Israel is basically the 10th commandment for them. Now muslim countries just see them as a zionist kaffir.
"b-b-b-b-but some arab countries have diplomatic ties with Israel!!"
Image matters. Not even the UAE which is the most blantantly pro-zionist arab country would ever be caught dead near an israeli flag outside of an official diplomatic meeting. Now just imagine what happens to SL's image when they project the Israeli flag on a jumbo megatron display. Holy fak man
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This is what I mean when I said they cut off all their allies. In 1972 Israel tried to offer recognition to Bangladesh (Muslim country) and they REJECTED it. How do you let fucking Bangladesh have more integrity than you? I mean did they even think 2 seconds into the future? Nobody wants anything to do with them now except Israel, who want to pump n dump them and leave them much worse off then before. Proxy war incoming?
Throw them a little bone and they immediately start dancing for you like monkeys
Same with South Sudan gaining independence and the leaders immediately embezzle dozens of billion $ worth of oil giving nothing to the people (the reason they wanted independence to begin with).
Colonialism isn’t even worse atp considering how we govern ourselves
kek.
2025/12/26 was the day the somaliland dream died. isreal recognizing them is the worst thing possible.This whole thing has been pretty gemmy doe
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Never in a million years did I think this would ever happen. I mean I knew these guys were cucked but come on man. Where the hell did they even get all of these israeli flags from? Did these niggas have it on standby?
And this is a 99% Sunni Muslim country. They even have the shahada on their flag. Hating Israel is basically the 10th commandment for them. Now muslim countries just see them as a zionist kaffir.
"b-b-b-b-but some arab countries have diplomatic ties with Israel!!"
Image matters. Not even the UAE which is the most blantantly pro-zionist arab country would ever be caught dead near an israeli flag outside of an official diplomatic meeting. Now just imagine what happens to SL's image when they project the Israeli flag on a jumbo megatron display. Holy fak man
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This is what I mean when I said they cut off all their allies. In 1972 Israel tried to offer recognition to Bangladesh (Muslim country) and they REJECTED it. How do you let fucking Bangladesh have more integrity than you? I mean did they even think 2 seconds into the future? Nobody wants anything to do with them now except Israel, who want to pump n dump them and leave them much worse off then before. Proxy war incoming?
What makes any post-colonial African entity a 'real country'?
Rwanda and Burundi have the exact same admixture of Bantus and Tutsis yet are two different, fully-recognized states
What is the drawback to the US recognizing Somaliland? How does the US benefit from a unitary Somalia?
It's going to happen, they get additional access to the Gulf of Aden and Trump gets to recognize a 'functioning' part of Somalia (to spite Omar)
When did I say it's functional? No impoverished African state is functional
Given that the economy is solely subsistence based and the government functions within a non-recognized framework, it's not all that bad
(Especially when compared to the rest of Somalia)
I'm not invested in the Somalilandian cause anwyay
I just think that functioning as a pawn within the international framework in order to secure basic necessities is preferable to mass starvation
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they should, otherwise they will expose themselves as racist Jew-supremacists, which they are absolutely not
Somaliland receives loads of aid already
It just goes to buying ferrari instead of feeding the poor
Ppl have black fatigue, trillions in aid no development
100% man
I still can't believe this. I thought Ethiopia would be first but fucking Israel? And NOBODY else joined them. They are all alone on this one.
Truly a sad state of affairs. Entirely self afflicted and easily avoidable but it's still sad. Kinda like watching a sub5 jestermaxx thinking he'll ascend that way
Most aid comes from Somalia proper
They aren't even capable of receiving international aid. Not on a mass scale at least. This is partly why they want independence so badly so they can hop on that aid train
it is over for the whole region tbh.
The US has spent 80 years fighting for a rules based world. The second they recognize SL they basically say it's okay for Russia to take crimea, china to take taiwan armenia with karabakh etc etc. Just a huge mess for literally no reason.
Also it's not a good look to side with Israel against the rest of the world without any justification. America isn't THAT cucked
What? Where the hell did you get that from
Tales from Mumbai
Are you stupid? The gulf of aden is international waters. America has more than enough access to it. Recognizing SL would actually make things worse since now there's a new government and a bunch of new rules you have to obey
They already did that with Kosovo? The precedent exists
The shift from a 'rules-based' world order has been persistent for years now, amid hegemonic downfall
What economic activity other than that occurs in a primordial society , whose semblance of modern life is secured by foreign aid?
Having access to land and international waters are two completely different things
I'll never understand the need for the constant ad homines, on a forum whose premise is the deterministic nature of life and lack of individual agency
You mean like port access? Djbouti is right there and SL doesn't even control their own ports, I just talked about this bro
No, it's a unique case completely different
Do you realize international trade is a thing? It's not the 19th Century. Internal market size is not a leading factor in economic development. Iceland (pop: 396K) is richer than Germany (pop: 84M).
It should have been granted independence a long time ago. I asked my father about the situation, and his opposition really just boiled down to silly tribal grievances.
US should recognize Somaliland so as to be able to interact with a stable and real local state rather than the anarchic mess currently called Somalia.
There is plenty of precedent.
Somaliland recieves aid, capital dumps and remittances already tbh. A big problem is just lack of real infrastructure
No roads, no railways, no cheap electricity. Farming isn’t really subsidised, no urban planning
Like where’s the administration. The government (which is alr de facto independent) doesn’t seem to plan anything. Even Taliban is taking big debt building all kinds of infrastructure and is trying to do shit, whereas these Somali govts don’t seem to care at all
Why is tribalism so strong in Somalia? Kazakhstan had an even more complex tribal system, yet they are not fighting each other along tribal lines today. Hmm maybe they need a strong foreign force to genocide them so that they can unite, like what happened in kazakhstan
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Even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't matter. Somaliland could be heaven on earth, irl wakanda and it still wouldn't change the fact that they have zero international backing besides Israel. Why the hell would America isolate themselves for no reason? They already have plenty of contact with Somalia and Djbouti, they have no need. Unless the connections with djbouti rapidly I don't see any reason for them to upend 30+ years of progress
Military bases? Just because some installations exist in Djibouti doesn't mean they're sufficient
The Gulf of Aden is of vital strategic importance
Berbera could be a lifeline to the Ethiopian economy if the US could ensure stability within Somaliland, thus gaining massive leverage with it
It's 'uniqueness' doesn't make it any less of a precedent
It's already been used and abused by Russia and China with regard to the aforementioned territories
Such unilateral moves are a hallmark of regimes facing hegemonic downfall
They feel the need to show initiative amid a downfall of relative strength
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