Theory Is it just me or do "predator hunters" tend to be quite toxic people?

[Hoppipolla]

The people who hunt pedos and stuff.

I'm not saying they're as toxic as the predators but... I just notice that NEITHER side seems to be... truly benevolent, good people.

I'm sure that some of the "hunters" must be good but... I dunno. It's just something I've noticed.

 

[Hoppipolla]

Maybe it's something about that attitude.

Like, most people if they saw a pedo somewhere would just report them via the normal channels (police or platform moderation or whatever) and then get on with their lives.

But something about that community seems to attract people who are kind of overly aggressive and duplicitous.

 

[ESL]

a lot of them are actually closed pedos themselves, and i remember how they went for a "pedo" once when he was like 19 and she 17, or 22 and 19 idk i forgot tbh

 

[Rothschilds]

neither of them is good

pedos for obvious reasons

and the hunters for beating up the pedos but never actually putting them in jail

the only good ones are like jidion, vitaly, and skeeter jean becuase they atleast put them in jail and don't cause any physical violence (atleast those are the only ones i know of)

 

[jllwyjm]

I mean it depends what they do, if your gonna lure a guy into the woods and beat the shit out of him your a scumbag, if you call the police then that’s fine, most predict catchers sadly can’t put 3 numbers in their phone

 

[ilieknothing]

If they hunt actual pedos who prey on prepubescent kids they aren’t toxic.

 

[Slut_Annihilator298]

I mean, most people in general are generally shit, so I guess I'd agree with this, especially if they're so intent on humiliating them. It's easy to get a group of guys to hurt someone. There's no real honor in that. No balls.

 

[GmeOvr]

You mean Chris Hansen who cheated on his wife with a foid 20 years younger than him and wrote bad checks?

 

[Moth]

Chris Hansen, Chet Goldstein etc.

 

[jllwyjm]

a lot of them are actually closed pedos themselves, and i remember how they went for a "pedo" once when he was like 19 and she 17, or 22 and 19 idk i forgot tbh

Yeah I heard about this funny to think about

 

[Urlaubsinsel]

They are projecting. They want to eliminate competition. Deep inside their hearts, they want the teenage woman themselves. Maybe they want to be seen as heroes so when the teenage women reach legal age, those men can get together with them.

[This post is in the public domain, CC0 1.0.]

 

[Nimbus]

Most do it purely for show and to rack up views on YouTube. Sensationalism and crime are themes that work pretty well on social media platforms.

Like this guy, what he's doing is similar to trying to remove salt from seawater by tracking down and exposing isolated individuals. It's a spectacle disguised as good deeds. You can look at his channel's history and it's just big posters about similar topics :

Schlep

Online Safety Advocate Featured on The Shawn Ryan Show, Rolling Stone, WIRED, Forbes & many more!

www.youtube.com

 

[supreme lollishrimp]

Its a win win they get to hurt people and a pedo gets beat.i dont think theyre doing it because they care that much but for content and attention

 

[Rapistcel]

The people who hunt pedos and stuff.

I'm not saying they're as toxic as the predators but... I just notice that NEITHER side seems to be... truly benevolent, good people.

I'm sure that some of the "hunters" must be good but... I dunno. It's just something I've noticed.

They are retarded agecucks who believe dating a 17 years old girl is pedo

 

[Midnight Animal]

Never saw them hunting women.

 

[Hoppipolla]

Never saw them hunting women.

I think women tend to like traits that are associated more with being older, like being tall, strong, rich, mature, etc.

Most do it purely for show and to rack up views on YouTube. Sensationalism and crime are themes that work pretty well on social media platforms.

Like this guy, what he's doing is similar to trying to remove salt from seawater by tracking down and exposing isolated individuals. It's a spectacle disguised as good deeds. You can look at his channel's history and it's just big posters about similar topics :

Schlep

Online Safety Advocate Featured on The Shawn Ryan Show, Rolling Stone, WIRED, Forbes & many more!

www.youtube.com

He's an odd one I think.

Really passive aggressive IMO. And is acting like having a Roblox account is a human right or something when surely they have the right to ban people if they want to. It's their site after all.

He was also being pretty hard on the platform in his videos and seemed to me to be saying things that were untrue.

Whether vigilante groups should be allowed on sites like Roblox sounds like a complicated question to me but I do understand that it's not the way things are supposed to work. You're supposed to use good moderation and the law, not vigilantism.

 

[VersoffenerAssi]

Chris Hansen, Chet Goldstein etc.

 

[VersoffenerAssi]

Never saw them hunting women.

 

[wasted12years]

They just want money.

 

[gluttony]

He's an odd one I think.

Really passive aggressive IMO. And is acting like having a Roblox account is a human right or something when surely they have the right to ban people if they want to. It's their site after all.

He was also being pretty hard on the platform in his videos and seemed to me to be saying things that were untrue.

Whether vigilante groups should be allowed on sites like Roblox sounds like a complicated question to me but I do understand that it's not the way things are supposed to work. You're supposed to use good moderation and the law, not vigilantism.

I agree, they are at their discretion able to deny access to anyone of their service as a private entity. It's just that they rarely do it and only in high profile cases like this one the usual people that get baited can still use the service without facing much penalty aside from an account ban.

These vigilante groups try to justify themselves because they want to make up for the failures of law enforcement and the platforms, and Roblox moderation has been a long time very bad, even now it often has false positives since the years of media reporting and investors pulling from their platform caused them to be very stringent in terms of moderation however people do find their ways around this. Often communicating via discord which Roblox has no control over what they do and say on there, and being against the TOS to encourage users to go off-platform on a different service.

 

[Hoppipolla]

I agree, they are at their discretion able to deny access to anyone of their service as a private entity. It's just that they rarely do it and only in high profile cases like this one the usual people that get baited can still use the service without facing much penalty aside from an account ban.

These vigilante groups try to justify themselves because they want to make up for the failures of law enforcement and the platforms, and Roblox moderation has been a long time very bad, even now it often has false positives since the years of media reporting and investors pulling from their platform caused them to be very stringent in terms of moderation however people do find their ways around this. Often communicating via discord which Roblox has no control over what they do and say on there, and being against the TOS to encourage users to go off-platform on a different service.

A few comments on this:

- I don't really see this argument that Roblox were being super permissive. I saw a Flamingo video from only about a month ago saying that they were banning people TOO MUCH. So I don't really understand where this perception originates from.

EDIT -- The video! heh


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqKF4lzzMT0

Oh and it was 10 days ago. Wow. My perception of time must be all screwed up. lol


- To be fair, Schlep also only got banned.

- Surely the Roblox moderation is far better than on similar platforms like Minecraft? Am I wrong? They seem pretty strict to me.

- Surely Discord is not the responsibility of Roblox.

Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to create a world where nobody is ever hurt. Planes crash, cars crash, etc.

It may be impossible to have children on the internet or even leaving the house without exposing them to all kinds of risks. But I don't think the solution is to ban everything or control it so strictly that it becomes pretty much unusable.

 

[anotherwastedlife]

They do the outdated tactic of luring with a fake projecting decoy, only this time its a naive and usually disabled person just to assault them, they also think that hitting on a 17 year old is pedophila so they're just violent agecucks using the moral shield of protecting children that arent even real

 

[gluttony]

Oh and it was 10 days ago. Wow. My perception of time must be all screwed up. lol


- To be fair, Schlep also only got banned.

- Surely the Roblox moderation is far better than on similar platforms like Minecraft? Am I wrong? They seem pretty strict to me.

- Surely Discord is not the responsibility of Roblox.

Yeah, obviously with platforms like Minecraft and such the moderation is usually down to the communities that run the servers rather than a centralized authority like Roblox. Discord well also has been having this issue for years but it's pretty much persistent on all social medias.

Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to create a world where nobody is ever hurt. Planes crash, cars crash, etc.

It may be impossible to have children on the internet or even leaving the house without exposing them to all kinds of risks. But I don't think the solution is to ban everything or control it so strictly that it becomes pretty much unusable

That's why EDUCATION is important, you should educate both children and parents of the risks of using these services along with interacting with strangers on the internet. Like not giving any personal information and setting parental restrictions where necessary.

Forcing adults to hand over their personal information online to trust third party companies with who seek to profit and most likely sell user data to others, under the guise of "protecting the children" is something policymakers are willing to do. Bad things happen in the world but the solution is not to blanket censor and sweep them under the rug behind a wall but confront and avoid them.

 

[gluttony]

They do the outdated tactic of luring with a fake projecting decoy, only this time its a naive and usually disabled person just to assault them, they also think that hitting on a 17 year old is pedophila

insert image of two teenage females then determine who is the 18 yr old, I GUARANTEE that a good portion of them will get it wrong.

 

[anotherwastedlife]

insert image of two teenage females then determine who is the 18 yr old, I GUARANTEE that a good portion of them will get it wrong.

Indeed

 

[gluttony]

Indeed

soy behavior tbh

 

[Hoppipolla]

Yeah, obviously with platforms like Minecraft and such the moderation is usually down to the communities that run the servers rather than a centralized authority like Roblox. Discord well also has been having this issue for years but it's pretty much persistent on all social medias.

I just feel that people are way harder on Roblox than on other platforms.

Maybe it's the name "Roblox". It sounds inherently kind of kiddy.

It just seems like they're walking on eggshells to a degree that's quite unfair IMO.

That's why EDUCATION is important, you should educate both children and parents of the risks of using these services along with interacting with strangers on the internet. Like not giving any personal information and setting parental restrictions where necessary.

Yeah I feel like the blame has now been shifted away from parents almost 100%, which is strange.

Forcing adults to hand over their personal information online to trust third party companies with who seek to profit and most likely sell user data to others, under the guise of "protecting the children" is something policymakers are willing to do. Bad things happen in the world but the solution is not to blanket censor and sweep them under the rug behind a wall but confront and avoid them.

I miss the freer days of the internet. Surely it's possible to have an internet with a good amount of freedom and have it be a nice experience but also punish people like child predators and other criminals when they are discovered. It doesn't sound super difficult to do and yet it keeps causing all these problems.

 

[Hoppipolla]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqKF4lzzMT0

Oh to be fair he does say in this video that he thinks they're not strict enough on the "hug games" and whatever. I mean, I dunno. It's not like they're sex games and brothel simulator, lol

There are lots of videos around about the moderation on Roblox being strict though. That was just a video that popped into my head.

 

[gluttony]

I just feel that people are way harder on Roblox than on other platforms.

Maybe it's the name "Roblox". It sounds inherently kind of kiddy.

It just seems like they're walking on eggshells to a degree that's quite unfair IMO.

Yes, it is they are a platform of a Billion users and their moderation team is tiny by comparison often outsourcing it to Cheap Labor countries like India. While employing random silicon valley workers to head those departments.

Yeah I feel like the blame has now been shifted away from parents almost 100%, which is strange.

Parents are given this victim complex of "I couldn't see this coming" because they are technologically illiterate or have a big understanding of how the internet works outside of shit like Facebook and Messenger when they have more than the tools available to do so at their disposal, they just don't use them. I understand being a parent is difficult (especially in this day an age) but remember raising a new human in this world isn't without it's issues of not just protecting them in their most vulnerable state but allowing them to grow and develop properly.

I miss the freer days of the internet. Surely it's possible to have an internet with a good amount of freedom and have it be a nice experience but also punish people like child predators and other criminals when they are discovered. It doesn't sound super difficult to do and yet it keeps causing all these problems.

The freer days was when it's a lot more decentralized with many different websites that are often self-hosted and didn't have to deal with annoying bots, web crawlers and DDOS attacks. In the internet of today most people just congregate on a small number of services with a global userbase, and these regulations are effectively making these sites go bankrupt because they aren't able to comply and shutdown.


There will always be bad actors and criminals, crime can never be stopped. Everything has risk like children getting run over by cars but they are still allowed to use roads. Just like interacting with strangers is inherently risky but those bad actors do get punished by the law (quite heavily if prosecuted) because it's illegal.

 

[Hoppipolla]

Yes, it is they are a platform of a Billion users and their moderation team is tiny by comparison often outsourcing it to Cheap Labor countries like India. While employing random silicon valley workers to head those departments.

Is it really any worse than it was 5 or 10 years ago though?

I had so much fun on Roblox back in 2018 and 2019 in particular.

So sad that now it's just endless fighting, just like everywhere else seems to be.

Why can't we just play Jailbreak or something and all stop being so obsessed with every tiny problem in the world every waking second. It's surreal.

 

[gluttony]

Is it really any worse than it was 5 or 10 years ago though?

I had so much fun on Roblox back in 2018 and 2019 in particular.

So sad that now it's just endless fighting, just like everywhere else seems to be.

Why can't we just play Jailbreak or something and all stop being so obsessed with every tiny problem in the world every waking second. It's surreal.

By an actual margin it got slightly better is some aspects but it remains eh largely the same.

Because my friend PROFIT, you can profit off of anger and all this stuff. They Get money to feed this slop to you.

 

[Hoppipolla]

By an actual margin it got slightly better is some aspects but it remains eh largely the same.

Because my friend PROFIT, you can profit off of anger and all this stuff. They Get money to feed this slop to you.

I played it obsessively in those two years especially! And early 2020. Jailbreak, Flood Escape 2, Piggy, Bloxburg, etc!

Good times ^_^

I still want to see a video of Chris Hansen getting the Bugatti in Jailbreak. XD

I feel like I'm going to be waiting a while for that because yeah these days it seems to be all about anger and making everything into a big problem and a big show.

The extent to which it's about money... maybe. I wonder if there's more money in this or in making normal Roblox videos. It's probably easier to do this.

 

[Hoppipolla]

Roblox content in 2020:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uv9Z2oGF2Q

Roblox content today:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIcVPPOB8TQ


EDIT -- It's also fascinating to me though how much the player count has increased over this time. As near as I can figure the concurrent users seemed to roughly double between 2020 and 2024, and then more than double AGAIN between 2024 and now. Wild.

 

[nazianime]

I find pedohunter worse scum then the pedos alot of the time. I have watched alot of catches and they fall into 4 major types of preds
opportunists - usually horny men that chat with anyone to get their dicks wet
mentally challenged - literal older men with learning disability that watch porn but hang out on kids platforms because they find the games good
psychopaths - the types that get turned on by control on others with kids being easy to manipulate
actual preds - they know its wrong but the impulsivity wins

Only 2 of those I would say are bad people, the opportunists and psychopaths. The other 2 they are just using them like a punching bag.

 

[Enigmaz]

It's an inherently sexist market and let me explain. You only see these predator hunters catch men, never foids. Even though you could literally take a trip to your local school and find a foid predator. It's very likely this is caused by the soyciety view of foids being 'perfect angels' and that male victims in these cases are to be taken less seriously by soyciety.

Not to mention that these catch a predator channels ploy as a 16-17 year old girl which is idiotically perceived as a child.

 

[lowz1r]

Nobody chasing cheap moral validation ever does it in good faith.

 

[Emba]

It's a job

 

[starystulejarz]

a lot of them are actually closed pedos themselves, and i remember how they went for a "pedo" once when he was like 19 and she 17, or 22 and 19 idk i forgot tbh

 

[starystulejarz]

It's an inherently sexist market and let me explain. You only see these predator hunters catch men, never foids. Even though you could literally take a trip to your local school and find a foid predator. It's very likely this is caused by the soyciety view of foids being 'perfect angels' and that male victims in these cases are to be taken less seriously by soyciety.

Not to mention that these catch a predator channels ploy as a 16-17 year old girl which is idiotically perceived as a child.

they ploy wouldn't fly in europe or most of the asia as age of consentt is much lower

 

[Rapistcel]

The people who hunt pedos and stuff.

I'm not saying they're as toxic as the predators but... I just notice that NEITHER side seems to be... truly benevolent, good people.

I'm sure that some of the "hunters" must be good but... I dunno. It's just something I've noticed.

Vigilantes have no place in a free society

 

[La Longue Fourchett]

Similar to those people who fake being police.
They want to release their aggression but they also want to be seen as the good guy.
So they go after easy targets (pedos are never in good shapes) and always outnumber the pedos.
Just scumbags being aggressive to other scumbags whilst collecting internet points. Very female behaviour

 

[Hoppipolla]

Roblox content in 2020:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uv9Z2oGF2Q

Roblox content today:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIcVPPOB8TQ


EDIT -- It's also fascinating to me though how much the player count has increased over this time. As near as I can figure the concurrent users seemed to roughly double between 2020 and 2024, and then more than double AGAIN between 2024 and now. Wild.

I notice though that when all has been said and done... the Schlep thing didn't really seem to have that much impact.

Some improvements behind the scenes to Roblox and a couple of other things happened like the stock price went down temporarily and the active players went up.

But overall... really not very much.

I didn't think much would happen tbh.

I do wonder if to some degree people are a bit burned out on drama by this point. We've had constant emergencies in society for about 5 years and I for one am definitely burned out on it.