Is communism to blame for the brutality of the 20th century?

[Pikacel]

So many fucked up genocides and famines caused in the name of ‘redistributing the means of production to the proletariat’

It’s a tossup between communism and nationalistic ‘purging inferiors’.

 

[Pikacel]

In terms of casualties communism was just as bad if not worse than nationalism, yet normies are seemingly totally okay with it

How do you stop populist sheep normies from propping up retarded ideologies

 

[DPRKcel]

Capitalism is worse than both, especially in the 21st century

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

So many fucked up genocides and famines caused in the name of ‘redistributing the means of production to the proletariat’

It’s a tossup between communism and nationalistic ‘purging inferiors’.

The Holodomor happened because Stalin sold grain and wheat for export to get currency ( dollars ) for it and with these dollars buy factories from the USA and American engineers. So, it was not related to the desire to improve the life of the proletariat, it was just a way of industrialization at the expense of the death of millions of people who will die of hunger long and painful, but you will have factories to create tanks and cars.
If it weren't for communism, Nazism and fascism would never have emerged.

 

[Pikacel]

The Holodomor happened because Stalin sold grain and wheat for export to get currency ( dollars ) for it and with these dollars buy factories from the USA and American engineers. So, it was not related to the desire to improve the life of the proletariat, it was just a way of industrialization at the expense of the death of millions of people who will die of hunger long and painful, but you will have factories to create tanks and cars.
If it weren't for communism, Nazism and fascism would never have emerged.

That’s what I mean. Forcibly pushing people towards cities and industry at the expense of countless starving peasants. Collectivisation of farms was brutal as well

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

That’s what I mean. Forcibly pushing people towards cities and industry at the expense of countless starving peasants

Yes, communism is about rapid, ruthless modernization for nations where the price is the death of tens of millions of your fellow citizens who are backward compared to the West.
Tsarist Russia was a society where 50% of conscripts in the army during the First World War could not read or write, while the Germans had only 2% of conscripts who could not read or write. The same applies to everything else, from education to medicine to infant mortality. I think this can be applied to China in the late 1940s and early 1950s, where the country was also extremely backward historically and required modernization, although it was largely achieved through the influx of Western capital and the policy of openness (Chinese Nep).
And yes, there was a result. The Communists eradicated illiteracy in Russia. They created an industrial base, and they moved people from villages and wooden huts to apartment buildings with heating, water, and electricity. I think this applies to China as well, where the average height has increased by 10 cm over the past 30 years, indicating an improvement in living standards and nutrition. Ultimately, it is a philosophical choice to determine whether the improvement is worth sacrificing the lives of tens of millions of people.

 

[Dr. Autismo]

The soviet union would have most likely invaded Western Europe if ww2 never happened

 

[Pikacel]

Yes, communism is about rapid, ruthless modernization for nations where the price is the death of tens of millions of your fellow citizens who are backward compared to the West.
Tsarist Russia was a society where 50% of conscripts in the army during the First World War could not read or write, while the Germans had only 2% of conscripts who could not read or write. The same applies to everything else, from education to medicine to infant mortality. I think this can be applied to China in the late 1940s and early 1950s, where the country was also extremely backward historically and required modernization, although it was largely achieved through the influx of Western capital and the policy of openness (Chinese Nep).
And yes, there was a result. The Communists eradicated illiteracy in Russia. They created an industrial base, and they moved people from villages and wooden huts to apartment buildings with heating, water, and electricity. I think this applies to China as well, where the average height has increased by 10 cm over the past 30 years, indicating an improvement in living standards and nutrition. Ultimately, it is a philosophical choice to determine whether the improvement is worth sacrificing the lives of tens of millions of people.

Yep, basically speedrunning something that took centuries for the West.

It’s like a mass blood sacrifice to altar of progress. Genocides seem similar as well except you’re sacrificing tribes that are a supposed threat/inconvenience to the stability/hegemony of the new centralised nation-state. Reptilian af

 

[RandomGuy]

View: https://youtu.be/gfdnbMd9BiE?si=zvwyUyZbgdwXT6on

 

[Pikacel]

Yes, communism is about rapid, ruthless modernization for nations where the price is the death of tens of millions of your fellow citizens who are backward compared to the West.
Tsarist Russia was a society where 50% of conscripts in the army during the First World War could not read or write, while the Germans had only 2% of conscripts who could not read or write. The same applies to everything else, from education to medicine to infant mortality. I think this can be applied to China in the late 1940s and early 1950s, where the country was also extremely backward historically and required modernization, although it was largely achieved through the influx of Western capital and the policy of openness (Chinese Nep).
And yes, there was a result. The Communists eradicated illiteracy in Russia. They created an industrial base, and they moved people from villages and wooden huts to apartment buildings with heating, water, and electricity. I think this applies to China as well, where the average height has increased by 10 cm over the past 30 years, indicating an improvement in living standards and nutrition. Ultimately, it is a philosophical choice to determine whether the improvement is worth sacrificing the lives of tens of millions of people.

China is basically capitalist in recent times?

During Mao era it was famine stricken disaster then capitalist types picked up the slack. Communism completely failed China

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

China is basically capitalist in recent times?

During Mao era it was famine stricken disaster then capitalist types picked up the slack. Communism completely failed China

It's a difficult question. As far as I'm concerned, China is still communist. China is in the same system as the USSR was in 1922-1929 during the NEP. Only the Chinese NEP has been in effect for almost half a century, not for 7 years. If you were a Western capitalist, then you could open a factory in the USSR and make a profit from it during the NEP period, or invest and receive dividends.

 

[Glassness]

Capitalism is worse than both, especially in the 21st century

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Capitalism is worse than both, especially in the 21st century

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

Yep, basically speedrunning something that took centuries for the West.

It's speedrunning because they got the tech, or at least part of it, from elsewhere. It didn't have to be fully discovered.

China is basically capitalist in recent times?

During Mao era it was famine stricken disaster then capitalist types picked up the slack. Communism completely failed China

There is a lot of argument about this, but I'd say China is fully fascist. There is no class war and there are private companies there, all subjected to the state. I say this without any of the negative connotations that usually accompany "fascism". China is a better superpower than the USA.

 

[AutistSupremacist]

Capitalists slaughtered more in the 20th century. The Colonial bases used entirely for extraction and imperialist wars were far more detrimental than communism.

 

[PUNK2006]

Capitalists slaughtered more in the 20th century. The Colonial bases used entirely for extraction and imperialist wars were far more detrimental than communism.

You have typed this on a device made from capitalism, in communism we would be starving, why any incel supports it is beyond me

 

[AutistSupremacist]

You have typed this on a device made from capitalism, in communism we would be starving, why any incel supports it is beyond me

Got me there and totally countered my point

 

[blackpillednigga]

In terms of casualties communism was just as bad if not worse than nationalism, yet normies are seemingly totally okay with it

normies are not pro-communist idiot