U probably didn’t even understand it then my nigga cus half of thevery disappointing thread. didn't expect this from you
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Discussion (Introspective) Most incels have no idea what they want and aren’t logically consistent about it
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You unironically put more thought into this ideology than a sizable demographic of incelsI know what I want and it's to fuck a futa
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''But bruh, you just attribute this value to sex and relationships due to the environment you live in (and is totally responsible for your desires and worldview) and peer pressure''
I just wrote another giga IQ follow up thread where I Elab on certain topics that I touched on here go over there and leave some replies my niggars
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(Introspective) Take the cultural context pill
Incels have a tendency to assign massive amounts of value to arbitrary cultural constructs without ever considering why, or that these things are in fact just cultural constructs and not the fundamental law of the universe If you lived in feudal Japan then having an estranged relationship with...
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As mucha as the thread is greycel tier,I have to say you do have a point
I know exactly what I want and it's closest to this among the examples you've provided.
And this gets closer. That's all I want, is to be wanted and loved by one person, to show and be shown affection in the way of physical touch, i.e. hugging, cuddling, etc. and I want to have sex with her, to connect with her at the most basic, physical level, two people, bound together by their shared experience at their most intimate and vulnerable state.
I know what I want, and I know I'll never have it. And just because I can't always articulate my thoughts very well doesn't mean I'm inconsistent about it; it just means I'm autistic, and probably have communication issues as a result.
I know this much, you want to be pegged
Sex is the least important part, it's short term gratification (altough if there's intimacy involved that's more important). I think kissing is more impactful than sex, because it's more intimate. The next most important part is feeling like you fit in society, you aren't a dysfunctional outcast. The most important is having another human being truly be in love with you. Sexually aroused by you, happy to wake up next to you in the morning and show an interest in you as a person and your goals and activities.
The “it’s not just about sex” thing always comes up and I don’t think that’s any different because the expectation of men having closely interpersonal and emotionally intimate relationships with women is also a cultural construct and there have been societies where this wasn’t a prominent thing at all
I’m particularly not inclined to believe that this is something typical incels would care about it were removed from all arbitrary social connotations considering they (theoretically) hate women and can’t relate to them in any way and want to rape and abuse them for being dumb whores
The main point here is just “It’s true that the respect of normies depends on having sex but why is there a normie in your head cyberbullying you 24/7 when youre alone”
Statistically noteworthy: 5 Indians have left retarded comments on this thread so far (extremely disproportionate to the total amount of commenters)
I don’t know wtf it is about curries that makes them collectively shit up threads like this. I’ve actually seen this exact phenomenon rather consistently
I don’t know wtf it is about curries that makes them collectively shit up threads like this. I’ve actually seen this exact phenomenon rather consistently
Different incels want different things. We aren't NPCs.
You're confusing us with normies and foids who are carbon-copies of each other.
Actually, it does.
The reality is: you either breed or you're a genetic dead-end who failed to reproduce.
All living beings are somewhere in the tree of life, and you're exiled out of it.
Breeding is real. How do you think you came to be in this world?
How about clean water? How about not getting decapitated by gangs?
Ok.
Barnacles that don't even have a brain are having sex in the ocean.
Do they care about "intrinsic qualities of sex"? Or are they having sex because "society" told them to?
How do you call a barnacle that doesn't have sex? Successful?
The problem it: you can't "substitute" sex.
Breeding is the ultimate reality of life itself. Breeding is how all living beings came to exist on this Earth.
Those who don't breed are a genetic dead-end. Exiled from the tree of life.
You may do wonderful things with your life (like Tesla did) but in the end it's all a cope. Your genes won't live on.
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Evidently humans have a capacity for higher reasoning greater than that of barnacles and people who never “passed on their genes” (priests, monks, warriors in some circumstances, innovators like you mentioned) were often revered in their respective cultures and understood to have significantly greater value by any metric than typical sexhaving normies
It becomes clear that the modern cultural obsession with sex and its arbitrary associations with social status/belonging/self worth aren’t really fundamental to human biology once you’ve seen stuff like this
I don’t think the fact that there’s a biological component to caring about sex is really unique or significant since the same thing applies to caring about your family etc, and that’s undoubtedly something where the significance of it varies among cultures. Being estranged from your parents in feudal Japan would be like being a truecel in the West in 2022, but in Anglo cultures it’s not a big deal at all or something you’d even think about on a daily basis
I see no reason to believe that modern incels wouldn’t be like everyone else if they lived in a culture that didn’t have a massive pathological obsession with sex (ex: shit like how “you get no bitches” or some variant is daily vocabulary for zoomers is not normal or the standard throughout history). Hardly anybody is going to be suicidal over not having a gf in a society where the expectation of men having closely interpersonal and emotionally intimate relationships with women doesn’t even exist. And the only logical conclusion from this is that the root of the issue here is cultural, not biological
I believe most incels were taught to feel the way they do about sex and therefore in a sense have a normie inside their head who is cyberbullying them 24/7, and they don’t even realize that this is the case and assume they just independently adopted these cultural values naturally (which is obviously impossible)
I want to be loved, or at least wanted.
Freud wrote in his Eros and Civilization that repressed sexual energy in men is the force that built civilization.
The problem is that, for this to happen, the repression must have an ultimate purpose --- that is: the sexual restraint had the aim of directing the male's energy to attain resources / status / accomplishments etc. before he would be initiated into the family life, by having a wife; or, in the case of priests and monks, the sexual restraint was voluntary, and the condition for the maintenance of their social status.
Incels are not practicing purposeful sexual restraint with an aim at the end. We're just being denied sex without anything to show for it, we're not on the waiting line for having a virgin wife, we're not preparing ourselves to earn our rank, we don't even get status as holy and pure.
Obviously, fucking all day every day like rabbits, as the deadbeat Chads, whores, sluta and other purposeless normies do is not going to build anything except a welfare check.
There are two things there: the sex drive, the genetic in-group preference. Being estranged from family or sex-starved are both bad things anywhere, any time.
Indeed. Our culture is hyper-sexualized. Sex is pushed everywhere as if it is the only thing a person should aspire for.
I don't place all my value in life on sex. But I suffer a lack of sex and relationships. Having sex, relationships, a family, etc. are an integral part of a healthy human life. Monks, sadhus, ascetics, and people like Newton and Tesla are the exception that proves the rule. Even Nietzsche and Schopenhauer were in the end embittered by their dejection from the tree of life.
I don't want to have sex and relationships in order to flex that on instagram, or tiktok to "own" the normies. If I had a relationship, I wouldn't even care if others knew about it. I want affection, touch, sex etc. for the sake of it. I'm biologically driven to acquire this. The lack of sex and relationships with foids drives my mind insane, causes me pain (the pain of loneliness is as severe as physical pain).
All societies exist because men breed foids. So, this expectation is always there. Today we're expected to be having hookups all the time, to which I agree is impractical for non-Chads.
Interesting theory.
I believe the pain of loneliness, touch-starvation and sexual deprivation are real.
Even in the absence of the Normie culture of pushing sex 24/7, men would still feel starved of affection and sexual release.
Please elaborate.
I’ll reply to the rest of this when I have time but one major example of this is the classical Greeks. Women still acted as childbearers and homemakers, but actual emotional intimacy and interpersonal relationships primarily occurred between men. I’m not really referring to homosexuality here but just how genders were socialized to interact with each other and what to expect from their own. It’s a bit like how even though you need parental figures to survive past infancy, it’s totally normal in Anglo cultures to not express or want any kind of “affection” from your family. Not having a deeply emotional & interpersonal relationship with your parents or even really being involved in their lives is actually par for the course, even for people who aren’t estranged from their family.
This would of course be totally unthinkable for people who live in family-centric cultures, the same way it can be hard for us to imagine not expecting those things from a girlfriend or wife. It just goes to show how these things are all a matter of cultural relativity. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it though. Incels generally have nothing positive to say about women at all and only think of them in disparaging terms (unintelligent, disloyal, self-centered, etc). There’s no reason you would inherently want affection from people who you hate and evidently can’t relate to or hold a conversation with at all, if not for cultural memes placing arbitrary value on it. The cultural notions around the concept of “having a girlfriend” are considered an end in itself.
(Sidenote: Greeks also had this LARP ceremony where the groom kidnaps the bride which really drives the point home
Marriage as an institution has typically had very little genuine emotion and interpersonal empathy involved, even in modern Western culture.)
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Agree 100%I’ll reply to the rest of this when I have time but one major example of this is the classical Greeks. Women still acted as childbearers and homemakers, but actual emotional intimacy and interpersonal relationships primarily occurred between men. I’m not really referring to homosexuality here but just how genders were socialized to interact with each other and what to expect from their own. It’s a bit like how even though you need parental figures to survive past infancy, it’s totally normal in Anglo cultures to not express or want any kind of “affection” from your family. Not having a deeply emotional & interpersonal relationship with your parents or even really being involved in their lives is actually par for the course, even for people who aren’t estranged from their family.
This would of course be totally unthinkable for people who live in family-centric cultures, the same way it can be hard for us to imagine not expecting those things from a girlfriend or wife. It just goes to show how these things are all a matter of cultural relativity. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it though. Incels generally have nothing positive to say about women at all and only think of them in disparaging terms (unintelligent, disloyal, self-centered, etc). There’s no reason you would inherently want affection from people who you hate and evidently can’t relate to or hold a conversation with at all, if not for cultural memes placing arbitrary value on it. The cultural notions around the concept of “having a girlfriend” are considered an end in itself.
(Sidenote: Greeks also had this LARP ceremony where the groom kidnaps the bride which really drives the point home
I have this biological need for companionship, affection, sex, touch, creampie, breeding etc. The girlfriend/wife is the culturally accepted means to get those things nowadays.
The Greeks had their epheboi, Romans let their milfs wives please teenagers who weren't marriage material yet, and in the future we shall have replicants and robowaifus.
The problem is that right now i'm not getting those needs met. It sticks out like a sore thumb. I have no avenue to satisfy my need to see someone smile when they look at me, to touch me, to whisper sweet nothings in my ear etc. --- all I ever get is looks of disgust.
Not gonna read this whole thread, but I want a wife and kids, it's not that complicated bro
THANK YOU.
It's normal that in any forum there are leading light type thinkers and contributors, and there are the detractors who just shout contributors down. And there's a large Greek chorus that just wants to be on the side that's winning.
I've never seen any other forum where people are quite so proud about yelling arguments that are essentially appeals to ignorance... "shut up, my ignorance is better than your knowledge" ..."shut up, your anecdote about real events doesn't match my theories and opinons so you are obviously lying!"
But I try to remember that a lot of people here are very young, and hurting.
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