Discussion Inceldom is vague

[SpookySpook]

Orientation isn't voluntary. You can't just "decide" that you're attracted to males

Yeah, that's exactly my point. The same can be applied to women who don't find their options attractive; you cannot force attraction. Attraction is biological as in what people typically find attractive are health indicators ( most of the time ) or have some survival purpose BUT it is also partially cultural/environmental. Wanting a man who is tall and has good a strong jawline with high cheekbones is biological but wanting a man who fits the typical definition of "masucline" ( as in is buff and acts masculine ) are cultural. Thats why gay men can exist, with these cultural conditions, its not like they choose to be gay.

 

[cathuluelitist]

Firstly, you're assuming women will almost always develop attraction to biological men over time which isn't true and if you believe it is you would need to provide evidence or reasons why this is true. Secondly, I agree with inceldom being a structural outcome and women having the power but this ignores attraction; straight men can't be attracted to other men no matter how "good" of a partner they are. Attraction can come with time but it isnt a guarantee and would require her being with someone she doesn't initially like for the sake of becoming attracted to him. Again, almost everything can be applied to straight men for not dating other men, just date other men to see if you gain attraction bro.



Hypergamy that we see is what women do when they dont need a man for resources and have the freedom to date who they want, they will go for men they're attracted to because thats all that matter to them now. They dont need to worry about not having certain rights or money ( in western countries ) without a man. It is not normal as this is the first time we seen this in history but with these circumstances hypergamy to this level is only natural ( which sucks ).

Its not about being extreme, it's about attraction being necessary. The trans one might be a bit extreme but the gay man hypothetical is realistic and not extreme at all. You can download a gay app right now and find a partner but you dont

As we established, sexual orientation is a fixed trait whilst attraction is entirely immutable and fluctuates. A man has no latent capacity for homosexual relationships and female hypergamy is very specifically a mating strategy to optimize sexual results, she can very easily alter her mating strategy and not being able to is normal when your mating strategy is at conflict with your available reality

 

[SpookySpook]

Go back 50 years ago and you wouldn't see the problems you see today at least on the same scale. Denying hypergamy is denying reality.

Not denying hypergamy, if anything this proves it. Women in 2026 are more selective and have higher standards, that's why it's possible for her to have all these options and still not find any of them attractive.

That and abundance of choice. Now if people stayed in their communities that's where choice dries up and they either pick whatever there is or die alone.

100% Agreed, women have options from around the world if they wanted to and thats why hypergamy is this bad.

You could also fuck an animal if you want. Doesn't mean you should. Also arguing attraction about a woman not having attraction to an ugly man vs a straight man not having attraction to a gay man is not even comparable. You're literally comparing apples to oranges.

The point of fucking animals proves my point also, you don't fuck animals because you're not attracted to animals. They are comparable because the crux is that you can't force attraction. In both of the cases there is avalible partners but the indivual isnt attracted to the option.

 

[Violet loner]

What are you saying is outrageous. Did you forgot juggernaet law? Having sex without relationship is much better than inceldom. And foids can always find relationship. And be careful with faggot stuff. This shit is beyond disguisting. Howd you feel if im suggested to you to fuck animals? Ugh nigga, repent

 

[SpookySpook]

As we established, sexual orientation is a fixed trait whilst attraction is entirely immutable and fluctuates.

Being immutable and fluctuating is an oxymoron, attraction may fluctuate towards a specific thing but it's still involuntary.

female hypergamy is very specifically a mating strategy to optimize sexual results

Hypergamy isn't a mating strategy as in women aren't consciously doing it. It is a cultural condition to search for the biologically most attractive men, there attraction to Chad and unattraction to the average man is involuntary.

A man has no latent capacity for homosexual relationships

This claim is too absolute to be true because homosexuality is a spectrum and not just gay or not and my point is that if you are gay or straight, the attraction is involuntary, not that straight men can turn gay or not.

 

[SpookySpook]

Im going to shower rq and comb my hair, give me a sec

 

[cathuluelitist]

Being immutable and fluctuating is an oxymoron, attraction may fluctuate towards a specific thing but it's still involuntary.

Hypergamy isn't a mating strategy as in women aren't consciously doing it. It is a cultural condition to search for the biologically most attractive men, there attraction to Chad and unattraction to the average man is involuntary.

This claim is too absolute to be true because homosexuality is a spectrum and not just gay or not and my point is that if you are gay or straight, the attraction is involuntary, not that straight men can turn gay or not.

I meant not immutable.

Yes it is and to equate hypergamy with sexual orientation is a category error because whether homosexual or heterosexual, they each fall under a fixation of the target in the spectrum. Hypergamy is a ranking mechanism. Female obsession with Chad is not an orientation otherwise she would be incapable of pair bonding with any other people, which obviously isn't true and if her preference is voluntary, her celibacy is voluntary. The hypergamous female posses the ability to be attracted to any range of men but her biological affix is to a high abundance/high choice environment. If a woman is unwilling to settle for anything less than a 9/10, she is choosing to abstain until she gets what she wants, incels cannot do this because even in spite of his desire to pair bond, he cannot obtain a romantic relationship. Women control the sex market and its exertions.

 

[Violet loner]

Then have sex with men, you aren't attracted to men. Some level of attraction is a prerequisite to sex and relationships. It doesn't have to be your perfect partner/type, just some attraction to that individual is required.

Nigga, are you retarded? I meant that foids can fuck chads, chads just wont commit. And they can have relationship with looksmatches

 

[cathuluelitist]

I meant not immutable.

Yes it is and to equate hypergamy with sexual orientation is a category error because whether homosexual or heterosexual, they each fall under a fixation of the target in the spectrum. Hypergamy is a ranking mechanism. Female obsession with Chad is not an orientation otherwise she would be incapable of pair bonding with any other people, which obviously isn't true and if her preference is voluntary, her celibacy is voluntary. The hypergamous female posses the ability to be attracted to any range of men but her biological affix is to a high abundance/high choice environment. If a woman is unwilling to settle for anything less than a 9/10, she is choosing to abstain until she gets what she wants, incels cannot do this because even in spite of his desire to pair bond, he cannot obtain a romantic relationship. Women control the sex market and its exertions.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling for a revolution but merely analyzing history using tertullum organasium historiography and I doubt the revolution would be violent and would be more so implicit hostile takeover of social institutions through remnant conquering

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Dnr the whole thread but basically we all are volcels at some degree because we're not gay?

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

wtf is this faggot post

 

[Izayacel]

Woman have Options Most Man dont . Your Brain is Circle Jerking for some Reason

 

[SpookySpook]

I meant not immutable.

Understandable now

Yes it is and to equate hypergamy with sexual orientation is a category error because whether homosexual or heterosexual, they each fall under a fixation of the target in the spectrum. Hypergamy is a ranking mechanism. Female obsession with Chad is not an orientation otherwise she would be incapable of pair bonding with any other people, which obviously isn't true and if her preference is voluntary, her celibacy is voluntary. The hypergamous female posses the ability to be attracted to any range of men but her biological affix is to a high abundance/high choice environment. If a woman is unwilling to settle for anything less than a 9/10, she is choosing to abstain until she gets what she wants, incels cannot do this because even in spite of his desire to pair bond, he cannot obtain a romantic relationship. Women control the sex market and its exertions.

Sexual orientation only seems fixated because defined more broadly, both are comparable because they’re both attraction/sexual desire. Sexuality to a certain sex and physical attraction is to people within those groups. Saying one is fixated while the other isn’t is inconsistent because they’re both attraction ( sexuality is attraction as I stated ) and attraction within itself is involuntary and influenced by culture, environment and biology.

So an analogy is this. You like sweet foods, that doesn’t mean you like every sweet food. You can’t choose to like something you dislike, let’s say you love chocolate, that doesn’t mean you will love twixs bars. You can’t change your distaste for Twix bars because it’s largely involuntary. That’s what sexuality and attraction is like ( sexuality being you liking sweet foods instead of savoury and attraction being what foods you like and dislike in those groups ).

 

[SpookySpook]

Dnr the whole thread but basically we all are volcels at some degree because we're not gay?

Strawman, my point is that physical attraction is involuntary yet you call women who don't sleep or date men they're unattracted to fakecels. Sexuality is attraction so if you aren't an incel but the hypothetical woman is then that's special pleading. Also, the term incel is just vague.

I'm not saying fuck men, I was using this for argument's sake, a mod either didn't look at the context or is stupid and I'm assuming it's the former but I got a warning. I'm sure it will get removed since it is a false warning ( unless I have no freedom of speech or can't use logic on this site )

Nigga, are you retarded? I meant that foids can fuck chads, chads just wont commit. And they can have relationship with looksmatches

Women have the ability to pair with the “Chad” men but that’s not every woman; you also overestimate how many chads there are or don’t truly understand what a chad is. You probably mean good-looking men ( not all good-looking men are chads jfl ). Actual chads are rare, but that’s besides the point. My point is that the mechanism of attraction is in itself involuntary.

Woman have Options Most Man dont . Your Brain is Circle Jerking for some Reason

It's about the involuntary nature of attraction wether that be physical attraction or sexuality, its not about options. Idk why I have to repeat this every time, only 2 people have tried discussing this seriously and not using constant fallacies or trolling.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

You're right, that's because all labels are meaningless when pushed to the extreme. In theory, every able bodied man is a fakecel by definition because they could just rape a woman. That's why on this website, for all intents and purposes, incel = a person who meets the forum standards. Essentially mods get to define inceldom as it suits them.

 

[SpookySpook]

You're right, that's because all labels are meaningless when pushed to the extreme. In theory, every able bodied man is a fakecel by definition because they could just rape a woman. That's why on this website, for all intents and purposes, incel = a person who meets the forum standards. Essentially mods get to define inceldom as it suits them.

Agreed, everything you wrote makes sense and is actually truthful.

 

[deleted dude]

wtf is this faggot post

 

[cathuluelitist]

Understandable now

Sexual orientation only seems fixated because defined more broadly, both are comparable because they’re both attraction/sexual desire. Sexuality to a certain sex and physical attraction is to people within those groups. Saying one is fixated while the other isn’t is inconsistent because they’re both attraction ( sexuality is attraction as I stated ) and attraction within itself is involuntary and influenced by culture, environment and biology.

So an analogy is this. You like sweet foods, that doesn’t mean you like every sweet food. You can’t choose to like something you dislike, let’s say you love chocolate, that doesn’t mean you will love twixs bars. You can’t change your distaste for Twix bars because it’s largely involuntary. That’s what sexuality and attraction is like ( sexuality being you liking sweet foods instead of savoury and attraction being what foods you like and dislike in those groups ).

 

[cathuluelitist]

What's the point of these pointless abstractions, you'll obviously never accept being wrong and just keep coming up with these absurd analogies. Only the initial sexual impulse is visceral, we aren't just animals reacting to stimuli. We are governed by the prefrontal cortex

 

[Glutony]

Lots of the time I just view the 2018 threads as they are usually quite high effort and engaging - talking about pretty original topics rather than what we see now.

Unrelated, but how can you view the older threads?

 

[SpookySpook]

What's the point of these pointless abstractions, you'll obviously never accept being wrong and just keep coming up with these absurd analogies. Only the initial sexual impulse is visceral, we aren't just animals reacting to stimuli. We are governed by the prefrontal cortex

My point is that attraction is involuntary, even if it is immutable, that doesn't mean you can choose your attraction. Sexuality is also just attraction to a certain sex. I gave an example multiple times about how there can be a gay man who is an outstanding partner but a straight man just can't make it work due to the lack of attraction. That shows that reason doesn't always lead to a relationship or sexual attraction at all. You think I am not accepting that I am wrong but you are completely ignoring the factor of attraction, no one is implying that we are primitive and rely solely on our primal desires in a partner. I am saying that without attraction ( which is involuntary ), you cannot guarantee reason will lead to a relationship. We aren't animals reacting to stimuli but we aren't in a video game where we can change certain things. Idk how much clearer it needs to be for you to acknowledge that attraction is involuntary and someone can't choose to like someone and that reasoning doesn't guarantee a relationship.

 

[ihatelife2]

Sexuality is different from finding someone within your sexuality good or bad looking which is just being picky

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

Must-Read Content material right here

 

[Sir Silentium]

Unrelated, but how can you view the older threads?

Scroll own to the bottom of a sub forum, and click on the "..." then change it to whichever time period you want.

The best posts I've found are from 2018-2019ish.

 

[Karlicel]

An incel is someone who is involuntarily celibate but what do we consider involuntary? A woman will have limitless options on dating apps so we say women can't be incels but I can apply the same to YOU. You don't date men because you don't find men attractive ( obviously ) but why doesn't that make you a fakecel? If you were consistent then a woman who truly found none of her options attractive could be considered an incel ( if we keep your logic ). You can go on some gay dating app and have some options but you don't find them attractive, which could make you a fakecel. Basically, what I am saying is that inceldom is vague and women can technically be incels by the standard everyone sets. I have talked about this before in a post but it never left my thoughts. I would like a definition of what is an incel and hope it addresses the issue ( and no I am not endorsing being gay in this post )

Gayposting faggot