Discussion Incel is a BAD label for us, even if its accurate. Because it focuses on sex only.

[muharremabi]

incel means involuntarily celibate, you cant change the definition idiot. regardless if an incel only wants sex, or wants an LTR, if he cant get either, hes incel. stop the "im a 40yo virgin but not incel" logic

Anyone who says sex is the only problem for incels is fucking retarded in my eyes. Muh I can't get sex. Are you fucking idiot? That's what escorts are for.

Incel

Incel, short for involuntary celibacy, is a sociological term and adverse life circumstance. The term describes individuals who can not engage in romantic or sexual...

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[BlackpilledTruecel]

Anyone who says sex is the only problem for incels is fucking retarded in my eyes. Muh I can't get sex. Are you fucking idiot? That's what escorts are for.

Incel

Incel, short for involuntary celibacy, is a sociological term and adverse life circumstance. The term describes individuals who can not engage in romantic or sexual...

incels.wiki

that isnt my opinion, i dont want only sex, i want an LTR with regular sex with asian women. also, sex in an ltr >>>>>>>> a hooker you dont know.
Again, stop trying to redefine what incel means, fucking idiot. incel = involuntarily celibate: regardless if you only want sex, or if you want love. you sound like an IT virgin "im 40 years old and a virgin but dont hate women so im not incel". stop trying to change the definition of it

 

[muharremabi]

that isnt my opinion, i dont want only sex, i want an LTR with regular sex with asian women. also, sex in an ltr >>>>>>>> a hooker you dont know.
Again, stop trying to redefine what incel means, fucking idiot. incel = involuntarily celibate: regardless if you only want sex, or if you want love. you sound like an IT virgin "im 40 years old and a virgin but dont hate women so im not incel". stop trying to change the definition of it

I was speaking from the perspective of blkpillpres. He argues that "there is no love and that escorts are the only logical option stop coping."

 

[BlackpilledTruecel]

I was speaking from the perspective of blkpillpres. He argues that "there is no love and that escorts are the only logical option stop coping."

theres no proof that hes wrong, and "love" is based on physical attraction. females literally cannot "love" an ugly male, but they'd do anything for male model tier men

 

[Deleted member 101]

theres no proof that hes wrong, and "love" is based on physical attraction. females literally cannot "love" an ugly male, but they'd do anything for male model tier men

Nobody denies that women cannot “love” an ugly man
But there’s nothing wrong with an ugly man wanting to be loved

 

[BlackpilledTruecel]

Nobody denies that women cannot “love” an ugly man
But there’s nothing wrong with an ugly man wanting to be loved

of course lol, im a 25 year old truecel in the west and have to go to SEA to get anything from a woman, because i dont look like the Chads from tinder experiments. after 25 years of inceldom you fucking NEED to feel love from a woman

 

[Deleted member 6214]

Truly however you try to look at life, the most reasonable thing to do is to end it.

 

[Ricecel X]

Remember that "celibate" originally meant abstaining from marriage, though it had been extended to sex in recent times since sex and marriage have been detached.

 

[muharremabi]

theres no proof that hes wrong, and "love" is based on physical attraction. females literally cannot "love" an ugly male, but they'd do anything for male model tier men

I agree this to a degree. If you're 1/10 then no shit nobody will ever fall in love with you. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist imo. I want to have a relationship with a woman knowing that she truly loves me.

 

[Deleted member 101]

I agree this to a degree. If you're 1/10 then no shit nobody will ever fall in love with you. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist imo. I want to have a relationship with a woman knowing that she truly loves me.

I don’t even believe women are capable of love, not even Chad, and I still want to be loved by a woman
Maybe because I’m retarded and still clinging onto hope

 

[HueHueBr]

Dr. Manhattan IQ post.

Lack of sex is literally the smallest of our problems. If my only problem was not having sex, I'd be the happiest person on earth.

Not having friends is a problem. Being hated by everyone and everything is a problem. Suffering aggressive reactions to minor mistakes and even when I make no mistake is a problem. Constant risk of unemployment and abandonment is a problem. Genetic diseases and rapid degeneration of the body (I look like a 70 year old even though 35) is a problem. Low IQ and slow reflexes and blunt decay is a problem.

Seriously even though not being able to stick my dick in a hole is my biggest problem?

 

[Ropemaxx]

We are incels and we will call ourselves incels until we die

hopefully sooner than later

 

[Deleted member 3385]

i'm not paying for sex when chad gets it for free.

might as well ask me to be happy paying to breathe air.

they aren't cheap either where I live, even sex once a week would be alot of money, it's not financially viable to even pay for it.

 

[BlkPillPres]

theres no proof that hes wrong, and "love" is based on physical attraction. females literally cannot "love" an ugly male, but they'd do anything for male model tier men

My point is that love in the "cultural" sense (as this deep magical thing) doesn't exist and its just physical attraction, and these idiots are going on and on about finding love when they know its just physical attraction, and this is what I mean when I say there's no consistency with these blue pilled idiots, in one thread they are going on and on about hypergamy and how women can't love, and then in another thread "I want to be love" (they literally already admitted that love doesn't exist), absolute idiots

I was speaking from the perspective of blkpillpres. He argues that "there is no love and that escorts are the only logical option stop coping."

I never said its the only logical option, its just the easiest to access and pull off, the other options guys like yourself are too lazy to even try and get, you could wealthmax and move to an islamic state and there you could safely have a patriarchal family and not worry about being cucked so long as you never leave the country and pretend to be muslim, but you are unwilling ot make any sacrifices and would prefer to just come online and complain everyday

i'm not paying for sex when chad gets it for free.

These two threads are for you

[Hard To Swallow Edition] There Is No Such Thing As Free Sex (Stop Perpetuating The "Free Sex" Lie As An Excuse To Not Escortcel)

This is related to a past thread (in fact parts of it are used in this thread): https://incels.is/threads/every-interaction-is-a-transaction-of-resources.125273/ I am fed up of seeing incels saying they won't pay for sex because - "I don't want to pay for something I SHOULD be getting for free"...

incels.is

Thought Experiment For "Anti-Escortcels" Who Think Whores Are Simply "Being Paid To Do Be A Woman (Do Nothing/No Effort)" And Say "Sex Should Be Free"

First off sex has never and will never be free (check this thread out before or after reading this one, order doesn't matter, topics are specific so they can function independently)...

incels.is

 

[Deleted member 101]

My point is that love in the "cultural" sense (as this deep magical thing) doesn't exist and its just physical attraction, and these idiots are going on and on about finding love when they know its just physical attraction, and this is what I mean when I say there's no consistency with these blue pilled idiots, in one thread they are going on and on about hypergamy and how women can't love, and then in another thread "I want to be love" (they literally already admitted that love doesn't exist), absolute idiots





I never said its the only logical option, its just the easiest to access and pull off, the other options guys like yourself are too lazy to even try and get, you could wealthmax and move to an islamic state and there you could safely have a patriarchal family and not worry about being cucked so long as you never leave the country and pretend to be muslim, but you are unwilling ot make any sacrifices and would prefer to just come online and complain everyday





These two threads are for you

[Hard To Swallow Edition] There Is No Such Thing As Free Sex (Stop Perpetuating The "Free Sex" Lie As An Excuse To Not Escortcel)

This is related to a past thread (in fact parts of it are used in this thread): https://incels.is/threads/every-interaction-is-a-transaction-of-resources.125273/ I am fed up of seeing incels saying they won't pay for sex because - "I don't want to pay for something I SHOULD be getting for free"...

incels.is

Thought Experiment For "Anti-Escortcels" Who Think Whores Are Simply "Being Paid To Do Be A Woman (Do Nothing/No Effort)" And Say "Sex Should Be Free"

First off sex has never and will never be free (check this thread out before or after reading this one, order doesn't matter, topics are specific so they can function independently)...

incels.is

We are bitter because we don’t believe women can love men.
Only men can love women.
We also want to be validated and desired.

 

[BlackpilledTruecel]

My point is that love in the "cultural" sense (as this deep magical thing) doesn't exist and its just physical attraction, and these idiots are going on and on about finding love when they know its just physical attraction, and this is what I mean when I say there's no consistency with these blue pilled idiots, in one thread they are going on and on about hypergamy and how women can't love, and then in another thread "I want to be love" (they literally already admitted that love doesn't exist), absolute idiots





I never said its the only logical option, its just the easiest to access and pull off, the other options guys like yourself are too lazy to even try and get, you could wealthmax and move to an islamic state and there you could safely have a patriarchal family and not worry about being cucked so long as you never leave the country and pretend to be muslim, but you are unwilling ot make any sacrifices and would prefer to just come online and complain everyday





These two threads are for you

[Hard To Swallow Edition] There Is No Such Thing As Free Sex (Stop Perpetuating The "Free Sex" Lie As An Excuse To Not Escortcel)

This is related to a past thread (in fact parts of it are used in this thread): https://incels.is/threads/every-interaction-is-a-transaction-of-resources.125273/ I am fed up of seeing incels saying they won't pay for sex because - "I don't want to pay for something I SHOULD be getting for free"...

incels.is

Thought Experiment For "Anti-Escortcels" Who Think Whores Are Simply "Being Paid To Do Be A Woman (Do Nothing/No Effort)" And Say "Sex Should Be Free"

First off sex has never and will never be free (check this thread out before or after reading this one, order doesn't matter, topics are specific so they can function independently)...

incels.is

the only real true love is when you see those 70-90yo couples that have been together their whole life, in the future thats going to be a very rare sight to see old couples that have been together since their teens/20s, due to female hypergamy, monkeybranching and divorce raping

 

[BlkPillPres]

We also want to be validated and desired.

Well that's your fault, don't project your egotistical mindset onto inceldom itself and claim that inceldom is about wanting to be desired and validated, its about sex, its about being CELIBATE, guys like you just like to project your ego onto the entire thing as though were all ego driven like you, I could give two fucks about being desired or validated, if I could own a slave and make her my wife I'd do it, way more convenient and less stressful

 

[Deleted member 101]

Well that's your fault, don't project your egotistical mindset onto inceldom itself and claim that inceldom is about wanting to be desired and validated, its about sex, its about being CELIBATE, guys like you just like to project your ego onto the entire thing as though were all ego driven like you, I could give two fucks about being desired or validated, if I could own a slave and make her my wife I'd do it, way more convenient and less stressful

Then be happy about seeing prostitutes then? I don’t see why you would be unhappy if you don’t care about “love” or “validation”. If all you care about is sex them you are one step ahead of most miserable people here.
I would not want a slave. I don’t think slavery is a good thing.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Then be happy about seeing prostitutes then? I don’t see why you would be unhappy if you don’t care about “love” or “validation”

I don't have consistent access yet, when I do, I will be happy

If all you care about is sex them you are one step ahead of most miserable people here

The thing is you could be too, having an ego isn't an affliction, its a choice, its a perspective on how you view the world and yourself, and that can be changed

How To Kill Your Ego (Escape The Self Imposed Limitations Of Your Years Of Societal Indoctrination)

1. You have to learn to stop thinking of yourself or anyone else for that matter, as someone who is "deserving of X" The entire concept of ego revolves around you thinking that you DESERVE something, once you acknowledge that you don't deserve anything and nobody deserves anything, your ego...

incels.is

I would not want a slave. I don’t think slavery is a good thing.

Good and evil don't exist, its all subjective, all those animals we have on farms as "livestock", what do you think they are?

They are slaves, why is enslaving the entire planet good but enslaving one human bad?

Whats so great about humans?

 

[Deleted member 101]

I don't have consistent access yet, when I do, I will be happy



The thing is you could be too, having an ego isn't an affliction, its a choice, its a perspective on how you view the world and yourself, and that can be changed

How To Kill Your Ego (Escape The Self Imposed Limitations Of Your Years Of Societal Indoctrination)

1. You have to learn to stop thinking of yourself or anyone else for that matter, as someone who is "deserving of X" The entire concept of ego revolves around you thinking that you DESERVE something, once you acknowledge that you don't deserve anything and nobody deserves anything, your ego...

incels.is

Good and evil don't exist, its all subjective, all those animals we have on farms as "livestock", what do you think they are?

They are slaves, why is enslaving the entire planet good but enslaving one human bad?

Whats so great about humans?

Why is it not a bad thing to own another human being as property?
How is this about ego? Do you think lonely men are narcissistic?
Why do you not just rape women based on your beliefs? You don’t care about validation or whatever. What’s stopping you, the law? What’s stopping you from slipping a roofie in some girl’s drink?

 

[BlkPillPres]

Why is it not a bad thing to own another human being as property?

I don't think there is such a thing as "bad things", only things that happen, its humans who ascribe "good" and "bad" based on how something affects us, I think there are things that are "detrimental" and "beneficial" on a case by case basis, for example, slavery was detrimental to the African slaves in the short term, but beneficial to their offspring in the long term, and it was definitely beneficial to Europeans in both the short and long term as their nations were built on slavery to an extent, they are where they are today because of colonialism and the subjugation of other people

The children of the future however are going to benefit from all of this, and all the progress that came from it

How is this about ego? Do you think lonely men are narcissistic?

All narcissists are egoists, but not all egoists are narcissists

Narcissism - "having or showing an excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance"

You'd have to be attractive to be a narcissist with that definition

As for it being about ego, yes it is about ego because what you value is what other people think of you rather than what you can get for yourself, that is an egotistical way to think

You would actually refuse alternatives to get sex, because they don't involve "ego stroking" (being validated and desired), so you'd forego legitimate options that solve an objective problem (lack of sexual satisfaction) in place of chasing after the solution of a subjective problem (how important/great you and others see yourself)

How is that not egotistical?

Why do you not just rape women based on your beliefs?

That's like asking "why don't you just rob a bank"

What's stopping me isn't my lack of want, whats stopping me is lack of means and opportunity, also there's no point in getting laid once and then having to go out on the prowl every week/month, risking jail time, that's why I'm wealthmaxxing to move to a country where prostitution is legal and/or safer/easier to access

I've never once claimed that you guys should just go out and rape so this just seems like nothing but a red herring, but I addressed it still

You don’t care about validation or whatever. What’s stopping you, the law? What’s stopping you from slipping a roofie in some girl’s drink?

You just gave the answer, the law, and the hassle of avoiding the law, which is why I am pursuing an easier path, escortcelling and wealthmaxxing, but if I fail at that and I have no other options, I might resort to other things, but I don't have to just yet, and nor have I advised others to as their first option, which is why I don't get your point, seems like you are grasping for straws

 

[Sexdoll Pioneer]

Most Chads and Tyrones focus on sex even more than we do and no one seems to have a problem with that.

Let's not pretend that the concept of "love" didn't die a swift death in the 21st Century. It's about as relevant as religion in 2019.

 

[Deleted member 101]

I don't think there is such a thing as "bad things", only things that happen, its humans who ascribe "good" and "bad" based on how something affects us, I think there are things that are "detrimental" and "beneficial" on a case by case basis, for example, slavery was detrimental to the African slaves in the short term, but beneficial to their offspring in the long term, and it was definitely beneficial to Europeans in both the short and long term as their nations were built on slavery to an extent, they are where they are today because of colonialism and the subjugation of other people

The children of the future however are going to benefit from all of this, and all the progress that came from it



All narcissist are egotistical, but not all egoists are narcissists

Narcissism - "having or showing an excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance"

You'd have to be attractive to be a narcissist with that definition

As for it being about ego, yes it is about ego because what you value is what other people think of you rather than what you can get for yourself, that is an egotistical way to think

You would actually refuse alternatives to get sex, because they don't involve "ego stroking" (being validated and desired), so you'd forego legitimate options that solve an objective problem (lack of sexual satisfaction) in place of chasing after the solution of a subjective problem (how important/great you and others see yourself)

How is that not egotistical?



That's like asking "why don't you just rob a bank"

What's stopping me isn't my lack of want, whats stopping me is lack of means and opportunity, also there's no point in getting laid once and then having to go out on the prowl every week/month, risking jail time, that's why I'm wealthmaxxing to move to a country where prostitution is legal and/or safer/easier to access

I've never once claimed that you guys should just go out and rape so this just seems like nothing but a red herring, but I addressed it still



You just gave the answer, the law, and the hassle of avoiding the law, which is why I am pursuing an easier path, escortcelling and wealthmaxxing, but if I fail at that and I have no other options, I might resort to other things, but I don't have to just yet, and nor have I advised others to as their first option, which is why I don't get your point, seems like you are grasping for straws

Because you are trying to get me to think like you when I do not see the point. I do not see why it is so bad for some folks to want things like affection and shit. Most humans want this. Sure it’s cope but I don’t think someone who wants to be loved or desired should be considered invalid.

Most Chads and Tyrones focus on sex even more than we do and no one seems to have a problem with that.

And yet Chads and Tyrones often have girlfriends, too. They ain’t for the most part single but fucking everything in sight.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I do not see why it is so bad for some folks to want things like affection and shit. Most humans want this.

That's a fallacy (APPEAL TO MAJORITY)


The majority of humans are normies and don't believe in the black pill

Are you saying they are right by virtue of being the majority?


Are you saying its impossible for the reality to be that the majority of humans have been raised on false concepts and ideas, so the majority believe in these things?

I'd argue that's exactly what is taking place


Let me give you a simple example you can relate to, every guy I know including myself has been as a boy, told by our mothers (and other people), to be "nice, kind, caring, etc" with girls and they'll like us for it, every single guy I know has told me they found out years later that it was all obviously a lie, and its the opposite (I myself learned this the hard way like them)

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, the majority of young boys believe this lie of women liking nice guys, so I guess it must be true then? (you seem to be forgetting that even a majority can be wrong if a lie is being spread BY the majority TO the majority)

The majority of humanity for a long time has been indoctrinated with false concepts and ideas, and we all figure out all too late that they are false

 

[Deleted member 101]

That's a fallacy (APPEAL TO MAJORITY)


The majority of humans are normies and don't believe in the black pill

Are you saying they are right by virtue of being the majority?


Are you saying its impossible for the reality to be that the majority of humans have been raised on false concepts and ideas, so the majority believe in these things?

I'd argue that's exactly what is taking place


Let me give you a simple example you can relate to, every guy I know including myself has been told by our mothers (and other people) to be "nice, kind, caring, etc" with women and they'll like us for it, every sing guy I know has told me they found out years later that it was all obviously a lie, and its the opposite

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, the majority of young boys believe this lie of women liking nice guys, so I guess it must be true then? (you seem to be forgetting that even a majority can be wrong if a lie is being spread BY the majority TO the majority)

The majority of humanity for a long time has been indoctrinated with false concepts and ideas, and we all figure out all too late that they are false

I never said they are right
In fact they are right to be upset that it is not truth
They are right to be hurt that they will never be loved
But I don’t see why you should shit on a guy who is feeling sad because of those reasons
I am angry that women cannot love like men, that I will never be loved, that I would be paranoid in any relationship because one slip up in frame would result in me getting cheated on or a break up.
I am upset about it.
But even knowing that love isn’t in the cards, does not make it any less painful.

 

[BlkPillPres]

But even knowing that love isn’t in the cards, does not make it any less painful.

True, so whats your next step, because the illogical step is to then decide to just wallow in pain endlessly, focusing on what you yourself admit will never happen

Its like someone who doesn't buy lottery tickets obsessing about the lottery results and how they'll never win JFL

Just stop focusing on the lottery then

 

[Deleted member 101]

True, so whats your next step, because the illogical step to then decide to just wallow in pain endlessly, focusing on what you yourself admit will never happen

Its like someone who doesn't buy lottery tickets obsessing about the lottery results and how they'll never win JFL

Just stop focusing on the lottery then

Suicide or cope.
There is no good solution tbh. Escorts may fulfill my sexual needs but they will not fix the hole in my broken heart.

 

[BlkPillPres]

There is no good solution tbh. Escorts may fulfill my sexual needs but they will not fix the hole in my broken heart.

You don't have a hole in your heart, you have blue pill in your brain, I'll say it again, men of the past did not have the cultural norms we have so they weren't as love obsessed, whats speaking right now isn't you, its your years of indoctrination, a version of you born in some marauder tribe way back when doesn't give a shit about love

You need to disconnect yourself from society, and start viewing yourself as "not human", stop processing existence under the framework of "the human experience", all these concepts and ideas you were raised to believe are nothing but that, they are like updates to your operating system, you merely need to uninstall and replace them with some more convenient pirated software

The way you think now is not really you, its not a "neutral you", its you under the guise of "I am a human, and this is how humans think, and this is what humans want, so I also want and think like this"

Think introspectively, don't think of yourself as human, think of yourself as an it, just an individual

That's all I'm going to say at this point, the rest is up to you, its you who is going to suffer or prosper based on your decisions, at the end of the day it isn't going to affect my life anyways

 

[Deleted member 101]

You don't have a hole in your heart, you have blue pill in your brain, I'll say it again, men of the past did not have the cultural norms we have so they weren't as love obsessed, whats speaking right now isn't you, its your years of indoctrination, a version of you born in some marauder tribe way back when doesn't give a shit about love

You need to disconnect yourself from society, and start viewing yourself as "not human", stop processing existence under the framework of "the human experience", all these concepts and ideas you were raised to believe are nothing but that, they are like updates to your operating systems, you merely need to uninstall and replace them with some more convenient pirated software

They way you think now is not really you, its not a "neutral you", its you under the guise of "I am a human, and this is how humans think, and this is what humans want"

Think introspectively, don't think of yourself as human, think of yourself as an it, just an individual

Romance has been a thing since at least the Age of Enlightenment and I sincerely doubt that men back then had zero attachment to their wives for other than sex even back then. Maybe in prehistoric times but I really doubt that men even in feudal times did not give two shits about their wives other than for sex and child raising.

 

[Deleted member 21173]

You don't have a hole in your heart, you have blue pill in your brain, I'll say it again, men of the past did not have the cultural norms we have so they weren't as love obsessed, whats speaking right now isn't you, its your years of indoctrination, a version of you born in some marauder tribe way back when doesn't give a shit about love

But it is a natural urge for us to want to have children and to support a family, which one can only do with a loving foid.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Romance has been a thing since at least the Age of Enlightenment and I sincerely doubt that men back then had zero attachment to their wives for other than sex even back then. Maybe in prehistoric times

You literally just made my argument, the men of the past always differ culturally on how we value women, we have become more and more cucked and pathetic with how we value and treat women, that's the point, and that's why we have open relationships today and men worshiping women

My point is exactly that, nothing is set in stone, there is not "I can't help myself, this is how humans think", you can start thinking like the cave man if you choose to, you just have to retrain yourself and unlearn all what you were indoctrinated with

I think the point of the black pill, is to distance yourself from "human thinking" so that you can become as objective as possible, and with that objectivity comes the ability to make better choices, which will benefit you

But it is a natural urge for us to want to have children and to support a family, which one can only do with a loving foid.

Rape is also a natural urge, its natural to want to murder too, something being natural doesn't mean that you should just go along with it and accept it, in fact I'd argue humans are the species most proficient at defying nature on the planet, its pretty much "our thing", so I call BS on the "I can't defy nature" argument

Also its not a natural urge to want to "support a family", there are no "parenting genes", in the cave man days it was literal pump and dump in a lot of cases, for a lot of wild animals the father doesn't even stick around

Like @ASS_F you are just projecting the cultural values that you were indoctrinated with onto biology, and saying "this is how we always thought", when clearly it isn't

 

[Emba]

Ye maybe we should just own this word now like the niggers they use nigga nigga now because they own that word they made it their own and it doesnt have negative annotation anymore quiet the opposite it only has negative annotation if its used outside their group so we should do same.

blackcels give advice pls

Good idea tbh. Ded srs ngl!

 

[Deleted member 101]

You literally just made my argument, the men of the past always differ culturally on how we value women, we have become more and more cucked and pathetic with how we value and treat women, that's the point, and that's why we have open relationships today and men worshiping women

My point is exactly that, nothing is set in stone, there is not "I can't help myself, this is how humans think", you can start thinking like the cave man if you choose to, you just have to retrain yourself and unlearn all what you were indoctrinated with

I think the point of the black pill, is to distance yourself from "human thinking" so that you can become as objective as possible, and with that objectivity comes the ability to make better choices, which will benefit you



Rape is also a natural urge, its natural to want to murder too, something being natural doesn't mean that you should just go along with it and accept it, in fact I'd argue humans are the species most proficient at defying nature on the planet, its pretty much "our thing", so I call BS on the "I can't defy nature" argument

Also its not a natural urge to want to "support a family", there are no "parenting genes", in the cave man days it was literal pump and dump in a lot of cases, for a lot of wild animals the father doesn't even stick around

Like @ASS_F you are just projecting the cultural values that you were indoctrinated with onto biology, and saying "this is how we always thought", when clearly it isn't

But why would I want to think like a caveman? Someone like me would have been killed for being weak. I would not survive in prehistoric times. Plus we are not wild animals. We are the most intelligent of all animals, there is a reason why we are at the top of the food chain. It is this intelligence that I think is a curse for some. Dogs get lonely when master is away. Dogs do not care about the opposite sex other than for making puppies. Dogs do not go insane when spayed or neutered. They do not even have sex for pleasure. Humans are social animals. It is human to want a family, to be a part of a tribe.

 

[Deleted member 21173]

Rape is also a natural urge, its natural to want to murder too

These things are illegal. Who knows what we'd do if they weren't. Also murder isn't a natural urge.

cases

And yes, it was. Males would go out and hunt and gather as a means of supporting his off spring.

 

[Deleted member 101]

These things are illegal. Who knows what we'd do if they weren't. Also murder isn't a natural urge.

And yes, it was. Males would go out and hunt and gather as a means of supporting his off spring.

Also even if rape was legal, not every man would want to rape. Rape has zero appeal to me. Even seeing fictional rape in porn or hentai makes me cringe.
Also if rape was legal I’d have to defend myself from getting raped by some gay dude. Not saying all or even most gays are rapists, but there’s bound to be some, especially since I would probably be more attractive to men.

 

[Flaccid_Dave]

agree with op

 

[BlkPillPres]

These things are illegal. Who knows what we'd do if they weren't. Also murder isn't a natural urge.

Yes it is, there are many animals that are just innately cruel and sadistic, you should look into dolphins, they do a lot of fucked up shit on purpose, its not just for survival

Also those things being illegal has nothing to do with the argument, the point was something being natural doesn't mean you can't avoid it, humans defy nature all the time

And yes, it was. Males would go out and hunt and gather as a means of supporting his off spring.

Again which era are you talking about, it all depends on the time period, and I'm talking about whats innate to us, not value systems we generated over thousands of years, males raising their offspring is part of those value systems, in our earliest days, very few would be doing that shit unless they were part of a group

Also even if rape was legal, not every man would want to rape. Rape has zero appeal to me. Even seeing fictional rape in porn or hentai makes me cringe

How many times do we have to go over this, that's not biology, that's values, that's what you were raised to think, if you were raised among cannibals eating humans wouldn't make you cringe or feel disturbed as it would for you now

If you were raised in an incest family, fucking family members wouldn't be weird to you

You are projecting your the values you were raised with onto biology itself, and acting as if its innate to you, it isn't, its mostly socialized values

Also if rape was legal I’d have to defend myself from getting raped by some gay dude

If rape became legal, hetereosexual men would go back to the days of killing faggots just for the sake of not being raped, and they are a small population anyways so they'd be wiped out pretty easily JFL

 

[Deleted member 101]

Yes it is, there are many animals that are just innately cruel and sadistic, you should look into dolphins, they do a lot of fucked up shit on purpose, its not just for survival

Also those things being illegal has nothing to do with the argument, the point was something being natural doesn't mean you can't avoid it, humans defy nature all the time



Again which era are you talking about, it all depends on the time period, and I'm talking about whats innate to us, not value systems we generated over thousands of years, males raising their offspring is part of those value systems, in our earliest days, very few would be doing that shit unless they were part of a group





How many times do we have to go over this, that's not biology, that's values, that's what you were raised to think, if you were raised among cannibals eating humans wouldn't make you cringe or feel disturbed as it would for you now

If you were raised in an incest family, fucking family members wouldn't be weird to you

You are projecting your the values you were raised with onto biology itself, and acting as if its innate to you, it isn't, its mostly socialized values



If rape became legal, hetereosexual men would go back to the days of killing faggots just for the sake of not being raped, and they are a small population anyways so they'd be wiped out pretty easily JFL

So what if they’re values lmao. Just because rape may be a biological urge doesn’t mean it should be okay to hurt women to fulfill my sexual needs. If you made rape legal then many of us would still hold these values. My values make me not want to rape. You are literally advocating for us to throw our values out the door and be of an uncivilized society like in the prehistoric era.

 

[BlkPillPres]

So what if they’re values lmao. Just because rape may be a biological urge doesn’t mean it should be okay to hurt women to fulfill my sexual needs

Again, I never said it was ok, nor am I arguing whether its ok or not, I focus on whether something is illogical or logical, detrimental or beneficial, not "good" or "bad"

If you made rape legal then many of us would still hold these values. My values make me not want to rape. You are literally advocating for us to throw our values out the door and be of an uncivilized society like in the prehistoric era.

No I'm advocating that you stop handicapping yourself with rules that don't really apply to you and are not to your benefit

You are literally speaking as if you role in life is to "take one for the team" lol (that team being the human race)

Why adhere to a ruleset that really has nothing to do with you, you don't seem to understand that were outliers, we don't even really count as human, those rape laws are about keeping women safe for their sake and for the sake of THE MEN IN THEIR LIVES, that has nothing to do with us, we aren't part of that equation

For that same reason when a mass shooting happens I don't care, it makes no difference to me, because I'm not really a part of society, there's no reason for me to fell outrage

Economy falls apart - Not our problem

Riots takes place - Not our problem

My only problem is not having enough popcorn to take in all of the entertainment

We should only take on the burden of normie restrictions and problems when society makes a place for us and starts addressing some of our concerns and problems, you want to sacrifice yourself regardless, that shit is pathetic

Normie Problems Are Not Our Problems (One Of The Only Perks Of Inceldom & The Black Pill)

I feel like this is something that I have to remind many of our users of: We aren't normies, we aren't part of their game, and race obsessed idiots, or idiots who still consider themselves "part of the human race" (overly empathetic fools), throw away one of the only perks of being incel -...

incels.is

 

[Deleted member 101]

Again, I never said it was ok, nor am I arguing whether its ok or not, I focus on whether something is illogical or logical, detrimental or beneficial, not "good" or "bad"



No I'm advocating that you stop handicapping yourself with rules that don't really apply to you and are not to your benefit

You are literally speaking as if you role in life is to "take one for the team" lol (that team being the human race)

Why adhere to a ruleset that really has nothing to do with you, you don't seem to understand that were outliers, we don't even really count as human, those rape laws are about keeping women safe for their sake and for the sake of THE MEN IN THEIR LIVES, that has nothing to do with us, we aren't part of that equation

For that same reason when a mass shooting happens I don't care, it makes no difference to me, because I'm not really a part of society, there's no reason for me to fell outrage

Economy falls apart - Not our problem

Riots takes place - Not our problem

My only problem is not having enough popcorn to take in all of the entertainment

We should only take on the burden of normie restrictions and problems when society makes a place for us and starts addressing some of our concerns and problems, you want to sacrifice yourself regardless, that shit is pathetic

Normie Problems Are Not Our Problems (One Of The Only Perks Of Inceldom & The Black Pill)

I feel like this is something that I have to remind many of our users of: We aren't normies, we aren't part of their game, and race obsessed idiots, or idiots who still consider themselves "part of the human race" (overly empathetic fools), throw away one of the only perks of being incel -...

incels.is

Because I have no desire to hurt others.
And my loneliness isn’t illogical. Have you ever felt lonely and hopeless before?

 

[BlkPillPres]

And my loneliness isn’t illogical. Have you ever felt lonely and hopeless before?

Yes when I was young, and then I just let go at some point, I abandoned those things, I gave up on humanity, and existing is much more peaceful and enjoyable in comparison to my past

You seem to have a yearning for these emotions, in the sense that if you ever woke up not feeling them, you'd actually wish you could feel them again, likely because you haven't been completely broken by them, if you were, you'd abandon them completely

 

[Deleted member 101]

Yes when I was young, and then I just let go at some point, I abandoned those things, I gave up on humanity, and existing is much more peaceful and enjoyable in comparison to my past

You seem to have a yearning for these emotions, in the sense that if you ever woke up not feeling them, you'd actually wish you could feel them again, likely because you haven't been completely broken by them, if you were, you'd abandon them completely

If everybody found peace with whatever ails them then everyone would be happy but not everyone does. And it is very hard to abandon them when it is shoved in your face everywhere you go, whether outside in public or in every piece of media you consume. It sucks. It hurts. Most humans are not meant to be utterly alone.

 

[BlkPillPres]

If everybody found peace with whatever ails them then everyone would be happy but not everyone does. And it is very hard to abandon them when it is shoved in your face everywhere you go, whether outside in public or in every piece of media you consume. It sucks. It hurts. Most humans are not meant to be utterly alone.

I'd argue that's why its the easiest thing to give up, if there was a ball, and everytime you pick it up you get shocked, would you find it hard to not pick up the ball?

The negative reinforcement is what made these things so easy for me to abandon, I don't understand how anyone could see it any other way, your argument doesn't make sense when you think about it

"It sucks. It hurts, I''ll never find happiness with it................ and that's why I can't let it go"

Lol like come on, you know that doesn't make sense, you are kind of making my point for me here, if all it does is make you feel like shit, and you'll never overcome it, why endlessly chase after it, there's no point

Well this has gone on long enough, keep at it if you like, but it won't end well, better for you if you quit before its too late

 

[Deleted member 101]

I'd argue that's why its the easiest thing to give up, if there was a ball, and everytime you pick it up you get shocked, would you find it hard to not pick up the ball?

The negative reinforcement is what made these things so easy for me to abandon, I don't understand how anyone could see it any other way, your argument doesn't make sense when you think about it

"It sucks. It hurts, I''ll never find happiness with it................ and that's why I can't let it go"

Lol like come on, you know that doesn't make sense, you are kind of making my point for me here, if all it does is make you feel like shit, and you'll never overcome it, why endlessly chase after it, there's no point

Well this has gone on long enough, keep at it if you like, but it won't end well, better for you if you quit before its too late

I wish you could just stop being lonely at the flip of a switch but it’s impossible

 

[Incline]

I wish you could just stop being lonely at the flip of a switch but it’s impossible

Just get some friends bro, go take a shower maybe they are waiting for you in there.

 

[Words2_live_bye]

We’re involuntary celibates , I’m ok with the label. I want sex and validation

I want sex, love, and respect from people (both my family and random strangers)
that's it. Even normies get that

 

[rubber-duckie]

You don't have a hole in your heart, you have blue pill in your brain, I'll say it again, men of the past did not have the cultural norms we have so they weren't as love obsessed, whats speaking right now isn't you, its your years of indoctrination, a version of you born in some marauder tribe way back when doesn't give a shit about love

You need to disconnect yourself from society, and start viewing yourself as "not human", stop processing existence under the framework of "the human experience", all these concepts and ideas you were raised to believe are nothing but that, they are like updates to your operating system, you merely need to uninstall and replace them with some more convenient pirated software

The way you think now is not really you, its not a "neutral you", its you under the guise of "I am a human, and this is how humans think, and this is what humans want, so I also want and think like this"

Think introspectively, don't think of yourself as human, think of yourself as an it, just an individual

That's all I'm going to say at this point, the rest is up to you, its you who is going to suffer or prosper based on your decisions, at the end of the day it isn't going to affect my life anyways

good post.

its important to reframe. instead of asking, "why cant i get a gf?" we need to be asking, "why did i want a gf in the first place?"

 

[Deleted member 101]

good post.

its important to reframe. instead of asking, "why cant i get a gf?" we need to be asking, "why did i want a gf in the first place?"

Because we are lonely and also horny
And because of a biological instinct to reproduce

 

[BlkPillPres]

Because we are lonely and also horny
And because of a biological instinct to reproduce

If you did not have a libido, do you honestly think you would crave companionship with specifically women like you do now?

I know for a fact if I had no libido I would not look twice at a woman, because all romantic and "deeper" feelings of yearning men have for the opposite sex, is tied to the fact that we want to fuck them

You are falsely conflating that yearning for "something more" rather than acknowledging what is at the root of it

Without sexual desire there is no "love", no "romanticism", you wouldn't even want to do something "innocent" like cuddle specifically with a woman, you'd find a warm blanket to cozy up with if you weren't attracted to women sexually, your feelings of "loneliness" are tied to your sexuality

 

[Deleted member 101]

If you did not have a libido, do you honestly think you would crave companionship with specifically women like you do now?

I know for a fact if I had no libido I would not look twice at a woman, because all romantic and "deeper" feelings of yearning men have for the opposite sex, is tied to the fact that we want to fuck them

You are falsely conflating that yearning for "something more" rather than acknowledging what is at the root of it

Without sexual desire there is no "love", not "romanticism", you wouldn't even want to do something "innocent" like cuddle specifically with a woman, you'd find a warm blanket to cozy up with if you weren't attracted to women sexually, your feelings of "loneliness" are tied to your sexuality

If I didn’t have a libido I’d probably be just craving friendship both male and female
Ofc id still be lonely you fucking retard and yes I want to fuck females but u fucking retard sex is literally not the only fucking component stop fucking denying how I feel you fucking cunt OFC love is based on sex but I DO NOT ONLY WANT SEX AND SEX ONLY I WANT TO HAVE A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GIRL I AM FUCKING
Besides even asexual faggots claim to still have romantic feelings and shit