I am completely incapable of getting laid and would prefer to have a community focused on that situation.
Anyone could go escort with 50 bucks in some local crack getto or do something unethical that mods would ban me for mentioning.
The more apt description is "incapable when operating within my standards".
One thing I don't really like is this aversion to acknowledging that we have some smidgen of standards.
Doing so doesn't mean we're suddenly equivalent to guys rejecting their looksmatch.
Fuck volcels, they have MGTOW and any number of other communities to go to.
The red pill only works for NT normies and the blue pill is completely false/Chad only. Next.
I thought pills were revelations, not tactics.
Red pill is basically discovering that game and alpha behaviors matter more than having a good/genuine personality.
Black pill is the supplemental discovery that game/behavior will always take a back seat to genetics.
They're not incompatible TBH, it's just that non-black redders are in denial about genetics' superiority to game, just like non-red bluers are in denial about game being superior to personality.
PUA can be overly optimistic and fill with a false sense of hope, leading to the same letdown you experience when abandoning Blue, but it's not as big of a let-down since you were already prepared for it. Going blue>red already broke your heart so it's not as big a fall. You already understood black subconsciously when you realized that Chad didn't need to use PUA just be himself.
there can only be one
so you’re assuming all of the billions of people In the world are a result of escorting or betabuxx?
No. Marriage is traditionally a betabux relationship but I believe the vast majority of reproductions inside marriages where a woman is free to move involve the husband getting cucked by the local chad.
Society is free to attempt to disprove me by doing mandatory DNA matching of alleged fathers to their offspring. I think they're afraid to check.
Historically we know that there were 13 non-reproducing males to each reproducing male.
This was back in the time when humans lived far apart and would do gorilla shit like murdering children who weren't their own, so it's probably even more dramatic in modern times of non-violence and women having cars.
A majority of men in the world aren’t blackpilled because billions of men get to reproduce and wouldn’t have a reason to be blackpilled.
Source on billions of men getting to reproduce plz
The majority of men getting to reproduce is something I'd even question in Muslim societies where women are locked up and can't easily network with Chads, it still probably happens with the male relatives they're trusted to be alone with cucking the husbands.
You don’t see blackpilled stuff in mainstream media or being taught in schools
It being banned doesn't mean that men don't understand it on some instinctive level.
They also instinctively understand they'll get wrecked if they're overt about it, so most of them don't.
Even the incels in denial aren’t blackpilled. If most of men were blackpilled then that would be the norm but it isn’t
There really isn't any way of knowing what the norm in thinking is since we don't have windows into weighing people's opinions (we're not telepaths)
Do you have any studies to back that up?
Actually no, I remembered the number wrong. Here is the article I remembered
An analysis of modern DNA uncovers a rough dating scene after the advent of agriculture.
psmag.com
The ratio is actually 17 females reproducing for each male.
If we go with a 50/50 birth ratio then in a population of 34 people where all 17 females reproduce, that means 1 male reproduced and 16 males did not reproduce.
This means that the ratio was actually historically "1 in 17 men" not "1 in 14" as I incorrectly remembered.
My apologies.
Francie Diep later claims "In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man" but doesn't cite any sources.
This said, a broader study would be worth doing since apparently they only analyze Y and X chromozones from ~450 volunteers to determine this. I don't know how broad a population they analyzed and if it necessarily does represent global averages.
Still: seems like the best thing we have to go on so far, unless you want to propose any competing studies.
Not every volcel is a former sex-haver but that would be very common in volcel communities.
Why should we assume that, and what % do you mean by common?
What guy wouldn’t wanna have sex at least one point in his life?
What guy wouldn't want to cope with his celibacy/virginity by emphasizing his conscious input and de-emphasizing his uncontrolled-factors influence over it?
Some guys here probably have gotten to have sex before but it’s probably pretty uncommon.
We clearly have no hard stats for either community so I'm interested in you explaining your theories.
Volcel communities are more prone to LARPing than us IMO so if we subtract the ones lying about a sexual past to feel better about their current celibacy they're probably outnumbered by the escortcels here.
If he knows he’s capable of getting sex, why would he be wasting his time here? This forum is for guys who can’t get anything
We are all theoretically capable of getting sex with increasing amounts of supreme effort.
You basically can't prove a negative like "can't get anything" because few people reach their ultimate potential in terms of learning skills and earning money.
It would be pretty uncommon for a guy who knows he’s capable of getting sex to spend time in a place where it’s only about men who can’t get anything
It's only about the THEORY of "can't get" here.
The REALITY is simply "ridiculously hard to get and you haven't even figured out just how hard because it's so ridiculous that it seems impossible"
There should be communities for guys who can’t get anything and communities for guys who choose not go have sex/relationships
This is a community for guys with near-insurpassable barriers to romantic fulfillment (to the point where it could be considered unfair to expect them to jump through such undefined hoops)
I think the same guys are just saying "I'm choosing not to try, too much trouble" to acknowledge that on some level we just consider it too much risk/gamble for too-low odds of possible reward.
It's really the same mindset with different outlooks on it.
The fact that so many here talk about "LDAR" emphasizes that a choice is being made: we obviously don't commit 100% of our time to orbiting foids to try and get pity sex, for example, because of the low odds of success/happiness from it. That's the right choice but it's still a choice.
Well there’s 7.9 billion people in the world and everyone has a father
Worldwide fertility rate is 2.4 children per woman, so 7.9/2.4 = ~3.3 billion moms for today's current population (some living, some dead).
3.3/17 = ~0.194 billion dads, ie only 194 million, not "billions"
That's also only if you believe that the ratio hasn't gotten even lower than 1/17 because I think logically it would have as women are more able to travel/communicate freely in the modern era.
My guess is that the current population has less than 100 million fathers.
Probably less than 5% of men actually get to reproduce based on my instincts for modern female hypergamy and deception.
A much higher % of course get to be "dads" but they were cucked to raise chad's babies.
There’s lots of posts here of guys getting rejected by land whales
right but we haven't collectively approached all the landwhales
would be interested in analyzing these stats like what BMI we're talking about too
There’s women that pretty much any guy, even desperate incels wouldn’t get any pleasure from having sex with or bing in a relationship with such as old crackwhores or fat smelly old chainsmoker women. Some guys would accept a landwhale but most guys would understand someone not getting any pleasure(or anything that would heal the pain of inceldom) from being with an enormous landwhale
Agreed.
This fits into my theory that obese women are effectively equivalent to fucking men, so it would actually be gay to fuck them and thus it is acceptable to be volcel in regards to them the same way it's acceptable to be volcel towards fucking men and still identify as incel towards fucking women.
Obese women emulate pregnancy and pregnancy means become a male/female chimera so being attracted to pregnant/obese means you're attracted to women who are either chimeras or resemble them.
Aside from the obese there's also shit like women who are thin but unhealthy from crack or old age. If it fucks up their reproductive ability then they are basically not women anymore (tantamount to a tranny) and thus it is acceptable to reject them without being ousted as a volcel.
I suppose only a chad could truly be volcel if he wanted to for some reason.
Even a 10/10 gigachad probably has a couple 10/10 gigastacies in the world not willing to fuck him because they want a richer 10/10 gigachad.
We have to realize that deciles are approximations: not all 10/10s are equal. After all the #1 most handsome guy in world outranks the #2 most handsome guy even if we class them together.
It entirely depends on how one defines 'voluntary' or 'celibacy' tbh
we should be having referendums to establish parameters and more specific language
keep in mind that this word descends from the Latin "caelebs" or "
caelibatus" which meant "unmarried"
this is even present in 1739 wher we first got the phrase incel used in full
Antoine Banier said:
How many young Women who groan under the Yoke of involuntary Celibacy, would find Husbands to make them happy, did not the Avarice of those husbands reduce them to the calamities wherein ixion was involved.
but obviously be the way we use it we don't just mean "single men" because that would include single chads with lots of willing sex