Discussion If a person is arrested for looking at child porn because it’s illegal, shouldn’t it be a criminal offense to look at videos of someone being killed?

[Mainländer]

Why should possession of media not be a crime, if the media in question was produced by molesting children?

Because you didn't contribute to the crime by simply watching it for free on the internet. It seems so obvious to me. Likewise, you didn't contribute to the 9/11 attacks by watching the video of the attacks.

It's all so simple when you control your emotions and look at it rationally. I agree that it's immoral, distasteful, repulsive, you name it, it just shouldn't be a crime when you're just watching media without supporting crimes in any way.

 

[epillepsy]

Lol the excuses pedos come up with are just excellent.

Snuff film watchers are not watching those cuz they have urges to murder people. Pedos ARE watching it cuz they have urges to sex up a kid. You can't shove your false equivalency everywhere. There is so much psychological difference, pedos physically get off to cp. Btw I am not entirely against the idea of psychologically rehabilitating people whose violence consumption goes into the realm of unhealthy. But its a simple fact that they are not as much of an immediate threat as pedos are. Molesting children especially in family and neighbourhood is far easier and far more common than gory murder.

Secondly, I have sympathy for pedos who find healthy ways to live their lives and cope with their urges rather than support the promotion and distribution of cp by being an active consumer in a criminal act.

Don't try to whitewash cp that easily. Cp consumption is clear indication that the pedo is losing/lost empathy for the kids. He needs rehabilation and maybe institutionalization. But noooooooo, you guys would rather "sympathize" with someone who jacks off to children getting raped and violated and support him in that act. Further, I don't think alcoholics and drug addicts are evil but the addiction could make them harmful to those around them, I am just stating that the kind of excuses people are making here to justify a clearly disgusting act is sooo very similar to other people who harm themselves, others and then look for excuses

False equivalency. There is a difference between writing words on a forum to vent and jacking off to a child getting raped. Both could be put under the uselessly broad category of "anti-social" behaviour but the implications matter a lot. The worse an incel can do is go ER, and even then it takes much more than just being an incel to commit an act like that(no matter what IT says).

A pedo who jackes off to child rape already made the choice of watching and enjoying a child get violated. It did not raise any moral red flags in him. He did not question his decision or did and still went along with his urges. This person is not coping well. This is a dangerous person.

Point by point:

1. Lol the excuses pedos come up with are just excellent.

So I am a pedo according to you? And your proof is that I disagree with you. Am I speaking to a foid? You have a very feminine way of thinking, as well as an overly emotional and immature argument style.

And I am not a pedophile. I'm simply not a virtue-signaling hypocrite and I can understand what it is to be persecuted and despised in society's eyes through something that's no fault of my own. Any incel should be able to understand this, as incels are in a similar situation. Having sympathy for a group of people does not mean you are one of that group, but this is hard for you to understand.

2. Snuff film watchers are not watching those cuz they have urges to murder people. Pedos ARE watching it cuz they have urges to sex up a kid. You can't shove your false equivalency everywhere. There is so much psychological difference, pedos physically get off to cp.

You capitalized ARE in this paragraph. That makes it seem like people are denying that pedophiles have urges to copulate with children. That's not the case. However, these urges are inborn and not deliberate.

Why is my equivalency false? Someone who watches a snuff film is watching because they are sexually aroused by the idea of watching a real-life murder. Maybe you don't know what a snuff film is. People get off to snuff films; there's no psychological difference, and anyway how would you know about the psychological difference?

3. Btw I am not entirely against the idea of psychologically rehabilitating people whose violence consumption goes into the realm of unhealthy. But its a simple fact that they are not as much of an immediate threat as pedos are. Molesting children especially in family and neighbourhood is far easier and far more common than gory murder.

This paragraph makes no sense. You think potential murderers are less of an immediate threat than pedophiles? The threat is greater. Being murdered is worse than being molested. Murder is just as easy to commit as molesting a child, in some cases easier. Just drop a poison tablet in their drink.


4. Secondly, I have sympathy for pedos who find healthy ways to live their lives and cope with their urges rather than support the promotion and distribution of cp by being an active consumer in a criminal act.

It's hard for me to logically justify by viewing CP is a crime in itself, since there is no precedent or equivalent to it in law.
As said by others in this thread, CP is a result of a crime that's already been committed. Simply viewing it does't hurt anybody, unless a payment is paid. Like another user said, they're not making ad revenue if you download it for free. CP is the only crime where you are in violation of law by perceiving evidence of it through your eyes. It's a crime that you can commit by accident or purpose, only distinguished as illegal if you have certain urges -- urges that society hates so much that they wish for you to be punished even had you done nothing wrong. At this point, it becomes a thoughtcrime.

You're obsessed with the legality of it ("consumer in a criminal act") and seem to equate morality with legality. But this thread is discussing the hypocrisy of CP being illegal when no other crime is treated in this way.
Social mores and laws change, and something being "criminal" should be no argument against it. Yes, you can think CP is disgusting, but give a better reason than it's against the law. Samurais and ancient Greek philosophers all engaged in sexual conduct with teenagers under 18. But it wasn't illegal then.

5. Don't try to whitewash cp that easily. Cp consumption is clear indication that the pedo is losing/lost empathy for the kids. He needs rehabilation and maybe institutionalization. But noooooooo, you guys would rather "sympathize" with someone who jacks off to children getting raped and violated and support him in that act. Further, I don't think alcoholics and drug addicts are evil but the addiction could make them harmful to those around them, I am just stating that the kind of excuses people are making here to justify a clearly disgusting act is sooo very similar to other people who harm themselves, others and then look for excuses

I don't especially love people who download CP. For example, I hate Dr. Pizza. But that's also because he was trying to actively molest children which we are not talking about. And I can also see that the legal principle behind CP is tremendously flawed, because I can put my dislike aside and think about it logically with my male brain.

In addition, CP also applies to 16 year olds and 17 year olds. Never mind that in many places around the world foids of this age are able to consent. But it's also illegal in some places. There's no consistency. But you would consider it rape and CP if a 17-year-old made a sex video, which they do all the time. How can you defend such a position?

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Moralizing is bad in general. It's exactly the same as virtue signaling. Your posts are saying, "I am a better person than you guys." Then for whatever reason you accuse people who disagree with you of being pedos. But think about what kind of people use these argument tactics. This is what foids and soyboys do and this is what resulted in our bad society. It's self-righteous bullshit. It should be enough that you yourself don't consume CP (no one here does, by the way). Just don't be so smug and angry about it. It makes you seem like a foid.

 

[Robtical]

No, it should be legal. It's illegal to knock out random people in the street, but it's ok to watch videos of it happening. No one says they're supporting the knock out industry by watching those videos.

I dont see any problem of viewing that shit in and of itself. Usually the argument I hear is that youre supporting the commitment of those illegal acts by viewing it... somehow? Paying for CP or snuff films should be illegal, but it doesn't really make sense to me for the viewing/possession to be illegal. Maybe them child rapists live off their ad revenue or something jfl

I bet there's millions of young chads who have jb porn on their phones. If they released those videos on a porn site whoever views it won't be contributing to manipulative child pornographers.

Why should possession of media not be a crime, if the media in question was produced by molesting children?

Some underage chad could upload a video of fucking a jb stacy. There's no adult "molestation" in there.

 

[Mainländer]

Point by point:

1. Lol the excuses pedos come up with are just excellent.

So I am a pedo according to you? And your proof is that I disagree with you. Am I speaking to a foid? You have a very feminine way of thinking, as well as an overly emotional and immature argument style.

And I am not a pedophile. I'm simply not a virtue-signaling hypocrite and I can understand what it is to be persecuted and despised in society's eyes through something that's no fault of my own. Any incel should be able to understand this, as incels are in a similar situation. Having sympathy for a group of people does not mean you are one of that group, but this is hard for you to understand.

2. Snuff film watchers are not watching those cuz they have urges to murder people. Pedos ARE watching it cuz they have urges to sex up a kid. You can't shove your false equivalency everywhere. There is so much psychological difference, pedos physically get off to cp.

You capitalized ARE in this paragraph. That makes it seem like people are denying that pedophiles have urges to copulate with children. That's not the case. However, these urges are inborn and not deliberate.

Why is my equivalency false? Someone who watches a snuff film is watching because they are sexually aroused by the idea of watching a real-life murder. Maybe you don't know what a snuff film is. People get off to snuff films; there's no psychological difference, and anyway how would you know about the psychological difference?

3. Btw I am not entirely against the idea of psychologically rehabilitating people whose violence consumption goes into the realm of unhealthy. But its a simple fact that they are not as much of an immediate threat as pedos are. Molesting children especially in family and neighbourhood is far easier and far more common than gory murder.

This paragraph makes no sense. You think potential murderers are less of an immediate threat than pedophiles? The threat is greater. Being murdered is worse than being molested. Murder is just as easy to commit as molesting a child, in some cases easier. Just drop a poison tablet in their drink.


4. Secondly, I have sympathy for pedos who find healthy ways to live their lives and cope with their urges rather than support the promotion and distribution of cp by being an active consumer in a criminal act.

It's hard for me to logically justify by viewing CP is a crime in itself, since there is no precedent or equivalent to it in law.
As said by others in this thread, CP is a result of a crime that's already been committed. Simply viewing it does't hurt anybody, unless a payment is paid. Like another user said, they're not making ad revenue if you download it for free. CP is the only crime where you are in violation of law by perceiving evidence of it through your eyes. It's a crime that you can commit by accident or purpose, only distinguished as illegal if you have certain urges -- urges that society hates so much that they wish for you to be punished even had you done nothing wrong. At this point, it becomes a thoughtcrime.

You're obsessed with the legality of it ("consumer in a criminal act") and seem to equate morality with legality. But this thread is discussing the hypocrisy of CP being illegal when no other crime is treated in this way.
Social mores and laws change, and something being "criminal" should be no argument against it. Yes, you can think CP is disgusting, but give a better reason than it's against the law. Samurais and ancient Greek philosophers all engaged in sexual conduct with teenagers under 18. But it wasn't illegal then.

5. Don't try to whitewash cp that easily. Cp consumption is clear indication that the pedo is losing/lost empathy for the kids. He needs rehabilation and maybe institutionalization. But noooooooo, you guys would rather "sympathize" with someone who jacks off to children getting raped and violated and support him in that act. Further, I don't think alcoholics and drug addicts are evil but the addiction could make them harmful to those around them, I am just stating that the kind of excuses people are making here to justify a clearly disgusting act is sooo very similar to other people who harm themselves, others and then look for excuses

I don't especially love people who download CP. For example, I hate Dr. Pizza. But that's also because he was trying to actively molest children which we are not talking about. And I can also see that the legal principle behind CP is tremendously flawed, because I can put my dislike aside and think about it logically with my male brain.

In addition, CP also applies to 16 year olds and 17 year olds. Never mind that in many places around the world foids of this age are able to consent. But it's also illegal in some places. There's no consistency. But you would consider it rape and CP if a 17-year-old made a sex video, which they do all the time. How can you defend such a position?

***

Moralizing is bad in general. It's exactly the same as virtue signaling. Your posts are saying, "I am a better person than you guys." Then for whatever reason you accuse people who disagree with you of being pedos. But think about what kind of people use these argument tactics. This is what foids and soyboys do and this is what resulted in our bad society. It's self-righteous bullshit. It should be enough that you yourself don't consume CP (no one here does, by the way). Just don't be so smug and angry about it. It makes you seem like a foid.

Finally some common sense. I don't have to be a pedophile, or even think CP is something moral, in order to disagree with the notion of people getting jailed and their lives ruined over media downloaded for free from the internet.

 

[Irishcel]

Because you didn't contribute to the crime by simply watching it for free on the internet. It looks so obvious to me. Likewise, you didn't contribute to the 9/11 attacks by watching the video of the attacks.

It's all so simple when you control your emotions and look at it rationally. I agree that it's immoral, distasteful, repulsive, you name it, it just shouldn't be a crime when you're just watching media without supporting crimes in any way.

CP is harmful to the dignity of the child in question, maybe if you got molested as a kid and pedos were masturbating to CP of you, you would understand. It is also of such a repulsive and immoral nature that the vast majority of people would agree that it is in the best interests of society for such content to be outlawed.
One philosophical mistake the pedophiles in this thread are making, and it is safe to assume that they are pedophiles, given the reality that no one other than a pedophile would defend the ethics of child pornography, is the assumption that just because no one is directly harmed by the crime therefore it is a victimless crime. There is in fact no such thing as a victimless crime, all crime is harmful to the society at large.

 

[Robtical]

CP is harmful to the dignity of the child in question, maybe if you got molested as a kid and pedos were masturbating to CP of you, you would understand. It is also of such a repulsive and immoral nature that the vast majority of people would agree that it is in the best interests of society for such content to be outlawed.

No one here would care if a video of them was released where they fucked a jb stacy when they were 16.

 

[Mainländer]

CP is harmful to the dignity of the child in question, maybe if you got molested as a kid and pedos were masturbating to CP of you, you would understand.

I do understand that it's something that feels terrible, but it's the responsibility of the people who committed the crime and to a lesser extent the ones who distributed the media. Imagine footage a loved relative of yours being killed/tortured in a gore site for everyone to see, some people even making fun of it in the comments. It is extremely immoral, I agree with that. It's just that the people who just watch it without paying for it in any way have nothing to do with the crime that was committed and therefore shouldn't face any criminal charges. That's all.

Killing people should be a crime. Torturing people should be a crime. Raping people should be a crime. Profiting from all these things should be a crime. Financing these activities should be a crime. Simply watching media of it downloaded for free from the internet shouldn't be a crime.

It is also of such a repulsive and immoral nature that the vast majority of people would agree that it is in the best interests of society for such content to be outlawed.

The vast majority of people are wrong. Just like they are about so many things, most people nowadays agree with feminism for example.

 

[Irishcel]

Finally some common sense. I don't have to be a pedophile, or even think CP is something moral, in order to disagree with the notion of people getting jailed and their lives ruined over media downloaded for free from the internet.

Finally some common sense. I don't have to be a pedophile, or even think CP is something moral, in order to disagree with the notion of people getting jailed and their lives ruined over media downloaded for free from the internet.

1. CP is produced through illegal means.
2. CP is of an inherently harmful nature, being in and of itself an affront to the dignity of the child in question.
3. Such media, being contrary to the public morality and decency, should therefore be outlawed.
4. In order to effectively enforce a ban on such content, heavy penalties should exist for those who illegally view such media.

 

[Mainländer]

1. CP is produced through illegal means.

Correct.

2. CP is of an inherently harmful nature, being in and of itself an affront to the dignity of the child in question.

Yes, but it's not the responsibility of people who just watch it for free.

3. Such media, being contrary to the public morality and decency, should therefore be outlawed.

If we're gonna outlaw immoral and indecent things, just ban porn altogether.

4. In order to effectively enforce a ban on such content, heavy penalties should exist for those who illegally view such media.

No because people who just watch are not contributing to the crime in any way.

 

[Irishcel]

I do understand that it's something that feels terrible, but it's the responsibility of the people who committed the crime and to a lesser extent the ones who distributed the media. Imagine footage a loved relative of yours being killed/tortured in a gore site for everyone to see, some people even making fun of it in the comments. It is extremely immoral, I agree with that. It's just that the people who just watch it without paying for it in any way have nothing to do with the crime that was committed and therefore shouldn't face any criminal charges. That's all.

Killing people should be a crime. Torturing people should be a crime. Raping people should be a crime. Profiting from all these things should be a crime. Financing these activities should be a crime. Simply watching media of it downloaded for free from the internet shouldn't be a crime.


The vast majority of people are wrong. Just like they are about so many things, most people nowadays agree with feminism for example.

Why should it not be a crime? Because it does not directly harm the child? That in itself is disputable but even if we accept that you’re arguing from the position that a crime must have a direct victim, which is in fact a relatively recent philosophy which is not fully applied anywhere in the world. Why is illegal for me to inject heroin? I’m not harming another by doing so, not directly. But such activity is harmful to society at large, therefore in most countries it is outlawed. Child pornography, being of an extremely obscene nature, being harmful to the child who cannot consent to having such material being created of them, nor to being viewed in such a way, and being contrary to the public morality and the public good is therefore legitimately outlawed and as I have already explained, heavy penalties are necessary and warranted to enforce such a ban.

Correct.


Yes, but it's not the responsibility of people who just watch it for free.


If we're gonna outlaw immoral and indecent things, just ban porn altogether.


No because people who just watch are not contributing to the crime in any way.

In response to 2, I consider that to be a non argument. You may not be responsible for harming the child. But you are responsible for possessing and viewing such filth and for that you are morally culpable. In response to three, I in fact agree that banning pornography as a whole would be justified. However most would agree that child pornography is of a vastly more heinous nature given that an adult is capable of consenting to be in porn. A child is not. Regarding 4, whether they have contributed to the original crime is irrelevant, their actions themselves constitute a crime.

 

[Mainländer]

Why should it not be a crime? Because it does not directly harm the child? That in itself is disputable but even if we accept that you’re arguing from the position that a crime must have a direct victim, which is in fact a relatively recent philosophy which is not fully applied anywhere in the world.

I don't care about the history of my position, I'm using reason and logic. A crime should be something that harms or damages someone. Thoughts, feelings, looking at things, these can never be crimes.

Why is illegal for me to inject heroin? I’m not harming another by doing so, not directly. But such activity is harmful to society at large, therefore in most countries it is outlawed.

Drugs are a whole other can of worms. There are many aspects to it that don't apply to CP. Drugs alter your state of consciousness, making it much more easy to commit (real) crimes. Most people who do drugs get them through financing people who provide them, unlike CP which can be downloaded for free. Drugs are not infinitely replicable, etc.

Child pornography, being of an extremely obscene nature, being is harmful to the child who cannot consent to having such material being created of them, nor to being viewed in such a fashion, and being this contrary to the public morality and the public good is therefore legitimately outlawed and as I have already explained, heavy penalties are necessary and warranted to enforce such a ban.

If we're just talking about morality, should simple possession of porn be outlawed in your opinion? What about leaked porn, without the consent of the person being shown there? Gore? Videos of people getting punched? Videos of animal cruelty? Car theft videos?

 

[Deleted member 20064]

Wouldn't the fair comparison be cp and child murder video? Both of them are more hated than adults being involved.

 

[Deleted member 27159]

Idk why either of them should be illegal. You aren’t contributing to any crime. You are just watching something happen. But by that logic videos about killing should be illegal since it shows a worse crime

 

[Caesercel]

Nobody here is justifying cp they’re just looking at it without being all panicky like you. Also stop saying “oMGz i’D KiLL CP pRoDuCeRs” you wannabe badass, you’re saying you’d do something that only like 0.01% of people would genuinely do, so stfu and quit trying to impress all the bluepilled cucks on this internet.

Its just how it is here. Nothing badass about it. If the mob gets a molester creep before law enforcement, he won't be reaching the police without few broken bones. Which would be more than a few once the police is done with him.

Also, CP being an industry doesn’t mean that you deserve to be executed for looking at it.

I agree. I have looked at cp(even though for a few seconds). Certainly locking me up wouldn't be the right thing to do. But pedos who consume cp? Yeah, they need to be nabbed. The indication for anti-social/immoral criminal behavior are clear. Immediate rehabilitation is certainly needed.

You’re simply looking at videos or images, it’s like saying if you voted for a war criminal you should be tried for war crimes. It’s like saying that if I made a murder video industry, those who watch my vids should be executed. It’s dumb. It’s like saying that a music limewire user is responsible for album sale declines when they didn’t directly cause it.

Your entire argument to justify the consumption of videography of children getting raped/violated would fall apart if not for these pathetic false equivalencies, wouldn't it? Not that there was much argument to begin with when it is based on such loose logic.

You aren’t really doing much by simply looking at a video. It’s like saying that if a YouTube creator who makes money from views beats someone nearly to death in his vid, his viewers should be arrested. Also, many CP viewers can easily be rehabilitated. If you think a guy who simply looks at videos will inevitably reoffend you’re wrong.

I am not sure what you are trying to do here. Are you trying to build false equivalency between a person(like me) who fell upon cp and an actual pedo who has a collection and gets off of this stuff, to make pedos look more innocent? Are you trying to say that cp producers should upload child rape on youtube so pedos can more easily consume it? I don't get the point . I am all for rehabilitation with monitoring and restricted freedoms. But isn't consuming cp indication enough that rehabilitation has failed.

You clearly are ignorant. Many pedophiles who look at CP aren’t doing it because they don’t care about morals, many do it because they can’t find someone to talk to and feel hated by society and isolated and feel they have nothing to lose, so they convince themselves that sex with children is harmless to feel less guilty about actin on it, not because they don’t care about morals.

Good then. Everything you have stated here is a sign that the said pedo needs to be nabbed and rehabilitated, and maybe institutionalized if needs be. He is clearly not able to cope with his urges by himself. At least we are walking on some common ground now,

Also, some CP isn’t a child getting raped and screaming for help. Some of it is simply nude photos

The subject of my argument is not the child its the pedo himself. It does not matter with what innocent intention or not the cp was recorded. It is the intention of the pedo consumer that concerns me. Cp makers should be arrested, we all agree and we are not debating that point. You can maaaaaaaaybe make a distinction between cp with nudity and that with sexual acts but that's stretching it A LOT. Also how that cp is made IS a factor. The pedo may have urges but to remain a member of society he has to take responsibility for his action and the implication, that the content he supports , has on the lives of those children. If he cannot do that , we go back to step 1.

and in some videos, the child is actually enjoying the sexual activity they engage in with someone else,

JUST FUCKING LOL The absolute state of this forum. Though this was to be expected considering the kind of things some cels say here. But I never fathomed that someone would just come out and say something like this unironically. All it has done is make it even harder for me to take your "moral" stance about "sympathizing" with cp watchers seriously. If you were trolling on another level to fish someone like me, I salute the effort.

Also, not everyone who uploads cp makes money off it, and viewing a video or downloading for free doesn’t give them money or support.

You could say the viewers give them support by taking it. Otherwise the abuser wouldn't distribute his content. You are trying so hard to take the responsibility off of the viewer. And EVEN If you somehow prove that, it doesn't change the fact that a person who has the urges to sex up a child, is now indulging in downloading and watching stuff, the distribution and production of which is illegal. He has taken off the baggage of morality. To say the 1000th time, his person needs external help.

Also stop accusing people of being “peDoS” like a moralfag cuck, it doesn’t deter us from looking at it without being all panicky and uptight.

Wtf?? You want to watch cp and don't want to be called a pedo . If you don't want that maybe just , you know, watch regular porn? Also I am not tryna deter any pedo lol. Wish it were that easy to make the pedo go away. I am just pointing out how bs the argument in this thread is.

If I uploaded a video of myself killing someone and each view gave me money, nobody would want the viewers executed, but an amateur photo of a naked child I view it and everyone wants me castrated and murdered. You aren’t directly involved just for being one of the thousands or millions who view a free video. Enough of the guilt by association fallacy

Because we know that 1. The viewers are not gonna kill someone since gore consumption and porn consumption are fundamentally different(another false equivalence btw). Plus there are socially acceptable and healthy ways to consume violence and anybody who goes beyond that does deserve to be looked at at least. 2. There is no healthy way to consume the rape of a child. Period.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

@Edmund_Kemper is there evidence that those who watch CP end up acting on those impulses IRL a frequent amount of the time, or is this just speculation based on cherrypicking?

Actually studies show that child porn consumption deters child sex abuse

well there isn't as much of an exploitative market for videos of people being killed, at least not to the extent that there is with child porn. so it's an entirely different thing. it's not like there's some industry that murders people just to profit off the ad revenue from bestgore

A lot of child porn is often amateurish. Also, even if a person makes money off of uploading videos of murders, still nobody would want you executed for viewing videos of someone being murdered. Yet you look at one naked photo of a minor and everyone wants you castrated and murdered. Giving a video one download or view doesn’t really make any contribution let alone give money to someone

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Actually studies show that child porn consumption deters child sex abuse

@Hate_my_life

 

[Caesercel]

Why should possession of media not be a crime, if the media in question was produced by molesting children?

CP is harmful to the dignity of the child in question, maybe if you got molested as a kid and pedos were masturbating to CP of you, you would understand. It is also of such a repulsive and immoral nature that the vast majority of people would agree that it is in the best interests of society for such content to be outlawed.
One philosophical mistake the pedophiles in this thread are making, and it is safe to assume that they are pedophiles, given the reality that no one other than a pedophile would defend the ethics of child pornography, is the assumption that just because no one is directly harmed by the crime therefore it is a victimless crime. There is in fact no such thing as a victimless crime, all crime is harmful to the society at large.

1. CP is produced through illegal means.
2. CP is of an inherently harmful nature, being in and of itself an affront to the dignity of the child in question.
3. Such media, being contrary to the public morality and decency, should therefore be outlawed.
4. In order to effectively enforce a ban on such content, heavy penalties should exist for those who illegally view such media.

You make really good points. Straight to the issue. The kind of weak arguments Pedos here are making to justify the unjustifiable is reminiscent of the excuses to be expected from addicts or psychopaths who indulge in self harm or harm others. Textbook stuff. Nothing you say will convince them. But still nice counterpoints.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Its just how it is here. Nothing badass about it. If the mob gets a molester creep before law enforcement, he won't be reaching the police without few broken bones. Which would be more than a few once the police is done with him.

I agree. I have looked at cp(even though for a few seconds). Certainly locking me up wouldn't be the right thing to do. But pedos who consume cp? Yeah, they need to be nabbed. The indication for anti-social/immoral criminal behavior are clear. Immediate rehabilitation is certainly needed.

Your entire argument to justify the consumption of videography of children getting raped/violated would fall apart if not for these pathetic false equivalencies, wouldn't it? Not that there was much argument to begin with when it is based on such loose logic.

I am not sure what you are trying to do here. Are you trying to build false equivalency between a person(like me) who fell upon cp and an actual pedo who has a collection and gets off of this stuff, to make pedos look more innocent? Are you trying to say that cp producers should upload child rape on youtube so pedos can more easily consume it? I don't get the point . I am all for rehabilitation with monitoring and restricted freedoms. But isn't consuming cp indication enough that rehabilitation has failed.

Good then. Everything you have stated here is a sign that the said pedo needs to be nabbed and rehabilitated, and maybe institutionalized if needs be. He is clearly not able to cope with his urges by himself. At least we are walking on some common ground now,

The subject of my argument is not the child its the pedo himself. It does not matter with what innocent intention or not the cp was recorded. It is the intention of the pedo consumer that concerns me. Cp makers should be arrested, we all agree and we are not debating that point. You can maaaaaaaaybe make a distinction between cp with nudity and that with sexual acts but that's stretching it A LOT. Also how that cp is made IS a factor. The pedo may have urges but to remain a member of society he has to take responsibility for his action and the implication, that the content he supports , has on the lives of those children. If he cannot do that , we go back to step 1.

JUST FUCKING LOL The absolute state of this forum. Though this was to be expected considering the kind of things some cels say here. But I never fathomed that someone would just come out and say something like this unironically. All it has done is make it even harder for me to take your "moral" stance about "sympathizing" with cp watchers seriously. If you were trolling on another level to fish someone like me, I salute the effort.

You could say the viewers give them support by taking it. Otherwise the abuser wouldn't distribute his content. You are trying so hard to take the responsibility off of the viewer. And EVEN If you somehow prove that, it doesn't change the fact that a person who has the urges to sex up a child, is now indulging in downloading and watching stuff, the distribution and production of which is illegal. He has taken off the baggage of morality. To say the 1000th time, his person needs external help.



Wtf?? You want to watch cp and don't want to be called a pedo . If you don't want that maybe just , you know, watch regular porn? Also I am not tryna deter any pedo lol. Wish it were that easy to make the pedo go away. I am just pointing out how bs the argument in this thread is.

Because we know that 1. The viewers are not gonna kill someone since gore consumption and porn consumption are fundamentally different(another false equivalence btw). Plus there are socially acceptable and healthy ways to consume violence and anybody who goes beyond that does deserve to be looked at at least. 2. There is no healthy way to consume the rape of a child. Period.

I’m sorry but there ARE children who enjoy it in the video. Many investigators have observed this, the idea that every sex between adults and children is the child screaming for help is false. Some children might agree to sex and thus enjoy it. Didn’t say CP is ok and even consensual sex in CP is bad but I’m just stating a fact for you. The idea that all adult-child sex is coercive and the child is screaming for help is a myth.

also, it’s super rare for mobs to attack child molesters and the odds you would are nearly zero. Only .00001% of parents kill let alone beat up the abuser. You just are trying to sound badass online when you only sound desperate to impress people. You probably aren’t that strong anyways.

where did I ever say that I want to watch CP? I never said cp should be legal, what I said is that if viewing cp should result in prison so should watching videos of someone being murdered brutally, a person who enjoys watching videos of people irl being murdered is a potential murderer in my book If those who view cp are potential chomos. Yet studies show that viewing cp deters child molestation. So according to your logic, it should be illegal to view vids of murder. Also, many people who view cp don’t molest children and many chomos don’t watch cp according to studies I read. Also, viewing cp doesn’t give them money and it doesn’t encourage them to make cp. if they wanted views for their vids, they would upload legal videos instead. Because most people won’t watch cp. so refusing to watch cp won’t prevent people from making cp. one view doesn’t suddenly make cp prevalence skyrocket. If videos of murders were viewed, wouldn’t according to your logic, murderers record their crimes more often?

some people who look at murder videos ARE probably sadistic and a little homicidal. And many pedophiles who watch cp like I said do it because they’re afraid to talk to someone about their struggle and feel isolated and feel they have nothing to lose, they don’t necessarily wanna watch cp. also, not all pedophiles are child molesters and not all child molesters are pedophiles.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

I’m sorry but there ARE children who enjoy it in the video. Many investigators have observed this, the idea that every sex between adults and children is the child screaming for help is false. Some children might agree to sex and thus enjoy it. Didn’t say CP is ok and even consensual sex in CP is bad but I’m just stating a fact for you. The idea that all adult-child sex is coercive and the child is screaming for help is a myth.

also, it’s super rare for mobs to attack child molesters and the odds you would are nearly zero. Only .00001% of parents kill let alone beat up the abuser. You just are trying to sound badass online when you only sound desperate to impress people. You probably aren’t that strong anyways.

where did I ever say that I want to watch CP? I never said cp should be legal, what I said is that if viewing cp should result in prison so should watching videos of someone being murdered brutally, a person who enjoys watching videos of people irl being murdered is a potential murderer in my book If those who view cp are potential chomos. Yet studies show that viewing cp deters child molestation. So according to your logic, it should be illegal to view vids of murder. Also, many people who view cp don’t molest children and many chomos don’t watch cp according to studies I read. Also, viewing cp doesn’t give them money and it doesn’t encourage them to make cp. if they wanted views for their vids, they would upload legal videos instead. Because most people won’t watch cp. so refusing to watch cp won’t prevent people from making cp. one view doesn’t suddenly make cp prevalence skyrocket. If videos of murders were viewed, wouldn’t according to your logic, murderers record their crimes more often?

some people who look at murder videos ARE probably sadistic and a little homicidal. And many pedophiles who watch cp like I said do it because they’re afraid to talk to someone about their struggle and feel isolated and feel they have nothing to lose, they don’t necessarily wanna watch cp. also, not all pedophiles are child molesters and not all child molesters are pedophiles.

@Caesercel will never agree that some child porn isn't rape because then his whole moralfag argument falls apart

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

You make really good points. Straight to the issue. The kind of weak arguments Pedos here are making to justify the unjustifiable is reminiscent of the excuses to be expected from addicts or psychopaths who indulge in self harm or harm others. Textbook stuff. Nothing you say will convince them. But still nice counterpoints.

Also stop accusing people of here of being prdophiles. If someone was a pedophile, they would do anything to hide it from people. As a result, they would be saying shit that you say (not accusing you of pedophilia btw) instead of saying what I’m saying because if they say what I say, they’ll be accused of pedophilia, if they say what you say, nobody will assume they’re a pedophile, so a real pedo would prolly never dare to say what I have said and prolly will say whatever you said. Just because someone looks at this without being all paranoid and emotional doesn’t mean they’re a pedophile, either you are naive or you just wanna silence us by accusing us of pedophilia to scare us into being quiet, or you’re a naive fool who thinks the only reason someone could say what we say is because they’re a pedophile. No, people can look at this in an open minded manner without being a pedohpile

@Caesercel will never agree that some child porn isn't rape because then his whole moralfag argument falls apart

The idea that children never say yes to sex and only are screaming for help is ridiculous. I mean honestly

You make really good points. Straight to the issue. The kind of weak arguments Pedos here are making to justify the unjustifiable is reminiscent of the excuses to be expected from addicts or psychopaths who indulge in self harm or harm others. Textbook stuff. Nothing you say will convince them. But still nice counterpoints.

I could say that someone who watches murder videos of irl murders is a potential criminal, should they be rehabilitated? Also watching cp shouldn’t be a capital crime. Executing someone for watching videos they weren’t even directly involved in is dumb. Rehabilitations is good. Cp viewers can totally change.

 

[Caesercel]

@Caesercel will never agree that some child porn isn't rape because then his whole moralfag argument falls apart

Hmmm you obviously chose the most delicious little nugget to comment on, didn't you. Are you guys tryna bully and troll this kid. :'(

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Hmmm you obviously chose the most delicious little nugget to comment on, didn't you. Are you guys tryna bully and troll this kid. :'(

you are just avoiding it and now are using phrases "delicious little nugget" because you can't address the point

 

[MaxZM98]

good point, tbh

 

[Caesercel]

you are just avoiding it and now are using phrases "delicious little nugget" because you can't address the point

You must be getting desperate to watch me unironically address THAT argument. Not gonna happen bud.

 

[kinggGoblin]

I dont see any problem of viewing that shit in and of itself. Usually the argument I hear is that youre supporting the commitment of those illegal acts by viewing it... somehow? Paying for CP or snuff films should be illegal, but it doesn't really make sense to me for the viewing/possession to be illegal. Maybe them child rapists live off their ad revenue or something jfl

Paying for child porn should be illegal

 

[Personalityinkwell]

You must be getting desperate to watch me unironically address THAT argument. Not gonna happen bud.

of course not, because you know you can't argue it

you act like no middle school kids can enjoy sex? complete bullshit and you know it

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

of course not, because you know you can't argue it

you act like no middle school kids can enjoy sex? complete bullshit and you know it

That moralfag acts like a foid

 

[Personalityinkwell]

That moralfag acts like a foid

look at this stupid quote:

The only real meaningful thing a person can do in life is rope. Everything else is cope.

I like morals though. Especially morals that keep foids in check.

obviously a troll

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

look at this stupid quote:


obviously a troll

I’d say he’s a hypocrite instead

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

I don’t think people go and look at CP (or any form of pornography if they actively seek it out) for the same reason people go on Best Gore to see someone’s head getting smashed in. You’ll have to be a special type of sick fuck if gore gets you hard.

CP should be illegal because if people are watching that, then it creates a demand for more child abuse, and each distribution of the image revictimzes the child.

Perhaps the mods should give their opinion on this and on MAP attractions: @SergeantIncel @knajjd @Master @i_a_m_i @blickpall @cocksucker

 

[Caesercel]

Ok lets just humor this shitshow cuz why not?

I’m sorry but there ARE children who enjoy it in the video. Many investigators have observed this, the idea that every sex between adults and children is the child screaming for help is false. Some children might agree to sex and thus enjoy it. Didn’t say CP is ok and even consensual sex in CP is bad but I’m just stating a fact for you. The idea that all adult-child sex is coercive and the child is screaming for help is a myth.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

also, it’s super rare for mobs to attack child molesters and the odds you would are nearly zero. Only .00001% of parents kill let alone beat up the abuser. You just are trying to sound badass online when you only sound desperate to impress people. You probably aren’t that strong anyways.

Look I cannot speak for your "data". I can only speak for who I am, what I have already done and what I have witnessed. You are free to convince yourself otherwise.

where did I ever say that I want to watch CP? I never said cp should be legal,

but an amateur photo of a naked child I view it and everyone wants me castrated and murdered. You aren’t directly involved just for being one of the thousands or millions who view a free video.

HMMMMMMMM

what I said is that if viewing cp should result in prison so should watching videos of someone being murdered brutally, a person who enjoys watching videos of people irl being murdered is a potential murderer in my book If those who view cp are potential chomos.

Point already addressed. Refer to:

Your entire argument to justify the consumption of videography of children getting raped/violated would fall apart if not for these pathetic false equivalencies, wouldn't it? Not that there was much argument to begin with when it is based on such loose logic.

Because we know that 1. The viewers are not gonna kill someone since gore consumption and porn consumption are fundamentally different(another false equivalence btw). Plus there are socially acceptable and healthy ways to consume violence and anybody who goes beyond that does deserve to be looked at at least. 2. There is no healthy way to consume the rape of a child. Period.

…...

Also, many people who view cp don’t molest children and many chomos don’t watch cp according to studies I read. Also, viewing cp doesn’t give them money and it doesn’t encourage them to make cp.

Exceptions do not counter the rule. The act of watching a child get molested is itself abhorrent and indicative that the viewer is a potential threat. Of course things are never truly black and white. But a cp watcher is certainly high risk. Also you cannot prove that it doesn't encourage them.

Also, viewing cp doesn’t give them money and it doesn’t encourage them to make cp. if they wanted views for their vids, they would upload legal videos instead. Because most people won’t watch cp. so refusing to watch cp won’t prevent people from making cp. one view doesn’t suddenly make cp prevalence skyrocket.

This is classical criminal excuse right here. The crime is gonna happen anyway so might as well play our part in it. Lets not take moral responsibility for our actions at all. Frankly we are moving into straight up sociopath teritorry right now. Of course all this is divorced from the simple reality that children are being molested specifically so that pedos sitting at their homes could watch it.

And many pedophiles who watch cp like I said do it because they’re afraid to talk to someone about their struggle and feel isolated and feel they have nothing to lose, they don’t necessarily wanna watch cp. also, not all pedophiles are child molesters and not all child molesters are pedophiles.

Most first world countries are developing institutions that could help pedos deal with their condition WITHOUT CONSUMING IMMORAL PRODUCTS PRODUCED AT THE EXPENSE OF CHILDREN HARMED. Of course if humane methods don't work on cp watchers we can always put them in a "room". As I said, such a guy roaming around? Not worth the risk.

Also stop accusing people of here of being prdophiles. If someone was a pedophile, they would do anything to hide it from people.

Lmao, if you know how to access child porn on the internet, hiding your identity shouldn't be that much of an issue. We are all a bunch of words here, I can only make inferences from the words you say. In all honesty you could be trolling in which case me calling you anything would be meaningless. But if I write with the assumption that you are actually not trolling then of course some things become obvious.

because someone looks at this without being all paranoid and emotional doesn’t mean they’re a pedophile, either you are naive or you just wanna silence us by accusing us of pedophilia to scare us into being quiet,

I am being as rational as one could possibly be when arguing with people who defend cp consumption. These are not my personal opinions , just facts. If it were really upto me all cp watchers with proven history would be jailed for life or better yet shot then and there(cheaper solution). But cooler minds than mine prevail who have decided that things should be done humanly with sympathy for the pedo. And that's the stance I have chosen to take.

or you’re a naive fool who thinks the only reason someone could say what we say is because they’re a pedophile. No, people can look at this in an open minded manner without being a pedohpile

The only naive fool is the one who buys this bullshit.

Rehabilitations is good. Cp viewers can totally change.

I agree. Human beings live in a civilization by not just fulfilling but curbing their urges . With proper counselling even a pedo who is not a complete sociopath should be able to develop the empathy for the affected children, required to not consume cp to fulfill his urges. Of course if such methods fail we have "other means" to deal with them.

look at this stupid quote:


obviously a troll

Hey be civil will you. We are all gentlemen here(Sure we may have pedophiles among us but whatever amiright?) . No need to be rude just cuz I refused to play with ya.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Ok lets just humor this shitshow cuz why not?


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Look I cannot speak for your "data". I can only speak for who I am, what I have already done and what I have witnessed. You are free to convince yourself otherwise.


HMMMMMMMM

Point already addressed. Refer to:

…...

Exceptions do not counter the rule. The act of watching a child get molested is itself abhorrent and indicative that the viewer is a potential threat. Of course things are never truly black and white. But a cp watcher is certainly high risk. Also you cannot prove that it doesn't encourage them.

This is classical criminal excuse right here. The crime is gonna happen anyway so might as well play our part in it. Lets not take moral responsibility for our actions at all. Frankly we are moving into straight up sociopath teritorry right now. Of course all this is divorced from the simple reality that children are being molested specifically so that pedos sitting at their homes could watch it.

Most first world countries are developing institutions that could help pedos deal with their condition WITHOUT CONSUMING IMMORAL PRODUCTS PRODUCED AT THE EXPENSE OF CHILDREN HARMED. Of course if humane methods don't work on cp watchers we can always put them in a "room". As I said, such a guy roaming around? Not worth the risk.

Lmao, if you know how to access child porn on the internet, hiding your identity shouldn't be that much of an issue. We are all a bunch of words here, I can only make inferences from the words you say. In all honesty you could be trolling in which case me calling you anything would be meaningless. But if I write with the assumption that you are actually not trolling then of course some things become obvious.

I am being as rational as one could possibly be when arguing with people who defend cp consumption. These are not my personal opinions , just facts. If it were really upto me all cp watchers with proven history would be jailed for life or better yet shot then and there(cheaper solution). But cooler minds than mine prevail who have decided that things should be done humanly with sympathy for the pedo. And that's the stance I have chosen to take.

The only naive fool is the one who buys this bullshit.

I agree. Human beings live in a civilization by not just fulfilling but curbing their urges . With proper counselling even a pedo who is not a complete sociopath should be able to develop the empathy for the affected children, required to not consume cp to fulfill his urges. Of course if such methods fail we have "other means" to deal with them.

Dude show me proof that every single sexual activity between adults and children is violent and involves children screaming for help. Yes you can get a child to agree to sex and if they agree they WILL enjoy it. How is that hard to understand? The child WILL enjoy it if they agree to sexual activity, they aren’t going to fuck and then suddenly they scream and no longer agree to it

also, no, executing them is way too harsh for the crime. If there was a murder video industry and I watched a vid of someone murdered, nobody would want me dead or even given a life sentence, everyone would know I can be rehabilitated because all I did was stare at a damn screen. How is that someone is doomed to reoffend? How is that someone involved in murder. You don’t earn money by getting views or downloads for your free videos. Musicians don’t earn money through their YouTube video songs being streamed for free (unlike Spotify which costs money) and musicians neverearned money through free downloads. If you became a prosecutor you’d realize that many child porn involves children smiling and enjoying it. I’ve read articles about it. if a war criminal is executed, you don’t execute his voters too because they supported him. Stop using mental gymnastics to say my analogies suck. How is killing someone for viewing cp any different from killing a guy who voted for a war criminal? Also nobody is defending cp consumption or at least NOT me. I’m saying that arresting someone for viewing cp is hypocritical if you won’t do it to someone who watches vids of people being killed, which people do upload for views. Why else would they upload a vid of someone being killed? Cp uploaders don’t always make money and upload it for free and for the same reason someone uploads a murder video or even a gaming video for fuck sake. If all you did was watch A video, you aren’t some guy who is deeply into a life of crime. also, again, studies show that cp consumption deters child sex abuse, so many cp viewers aren’t going to molest children. And many chomos don’t view cp, so arresting them in case they molest children won’t work. And many cp viewers CAN CHANGE. In fact, even chomos have a low recidivism rate. The idea that sex offenders have high recidivism rates is a MYTH.

also, if you access cp, hiding your identity IS AN ISSUE because then if people know you view cp you’ll be arrested. A closet pedophile or chomo would do ANYTHING to make sure nobody knows they’re attracted to little kids, they viewed cp, etc whatever they did. They would instantly be accused of pedophilia if they say anything that I said in this thread, but if they say the moralfag shit that you say, nobody will accuse them, so 99% of closet pedos are prolly going to talk like you. Hell, a few anti-MAPs on twitter turned out to be child sex offenders.

Also, you will never convince me that you’d kill an abuser. I really doubt you’ve done anything that low inhib before, you’re just prolly some scrawny guy who couldn’t beat a newborn up. It is SUPER RARE for parents or anyone to kill a molester, and I don’t see why I should believe you’re that 1 in a million who would. I bet the worst thing you ever did was simply beat someone up, killing someone requires going to prison and possibly death row, you have to be crazy to kill, I really doubt you’d kill anyone, mr wannabe badass. Any person online will say “oMGZ i’D KiLL tHeM” but I will bet lots of money you wouldn’t do it.

I don’t think people go and look at CP (or any form of pornography if they actively seek it out) for the same reason people go on Best Gore to see someone’s head getting smashed in. You’ll have to be a special type of sick fuck if gore gets you hard.

CP should be illegal because if people are watching that, then it creates a demand for more child abuse, and each distribution of the image revictimzes the child.

Perhaps the mods should give their opinion on this and on MAP attractions: @SergeantIncel @knajjd @Master @i_a_m_i @blickpall @cocksucker

Honestly most people don’t view cp, so viewing cp doesn’t make it more commonly produced because most people don’t view cp yet it’s still produced a lot. Simply viewing a video doesn’t do shit. Are you going to say we should be executed if we voted for a war criminal. If videos of people being murdered were viewed by me, would suddenly the homicide rate skyrocket and vids of murderers recording their murders appear more often and thus, I shall be executed for looking at a video of someone being murdered. You aren’t even actually involved much other than maybe by a tiny bit, you have only a tiny tiny tiny involvement in the crime and thus executions or even life sentences are too far. Society wouldn’t want me executed for watching someone get killed or voting a war criminal but look at one naked child photo and I shall be tortured and killed because of society’s moral panic over pedophilia which didn’t even exist btw until the 1880s

 

[Personalityinkwell]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

see, you refuse to acknowledge the situation where two middle schoolers have sex and enjoy it. you just say "lol" or "not gonna happen", and just evade it because you cannot address it. you need to frame it as "rape" because then your appeal to morality makes more sense

 

[LeDepravedCel]

Child porn is illegal because it supports an illegal industry. You're aiding child pornography by being patron to it. Or at least that's what they're trying to prevent.

So if I get my CP off PirateBay we're good.

Dude show me proof that every single sexual activity between adults and children is violent and involves children screaming for help. Yes you can get a child to agree to sex and if they agree they WILL enjoy it. How is that hard to understand? The child WILL enjoy it if they agree to sexual activity, they aren’t going to fuck and then suddenly they scream and no longer agree to it

also, no, executing them is way too harsh for the crime. If there was a murder video industry and I watched a vid of someone murdered, nobody would want me dead or even given a life sentence, everyone would know I can be rehabilitated because all I did was stare at a damn screen. How is that someone is doomed to reoffend? How is that someone involved in murder. You don’t earn money by getting views or downloads for your free videos. Musicians don’t earn money through their YouTube video songs being streamed for free (unlike Spotify which costs money) and musicians neverearned money through free downloads. If you became a prosecutor you’d realize that many child porn involves children smiling and enjoying it. I’ve read articles about it. if a war criminal is executed, you don’t execute his voters too because they supported him. Stop using mental gymnastics to say my analogies suck. How is killing someone for viewing cp any different from killing a guy who voted for a war criminal? Also nobody is defending cp consumption or at least NOT me. I’m saying that arresting someone for viewing cp is hypocritical if you won’t do it to someone who watches vids of people being killed, which people do upload for views. Why else would they upload a vid of someone being killed? Cp uploaders don’t always make money and upload it for free and for the same reason someone uploads a murder video or even a gaming video for fuck sake. If all you did was watch A video, you aren’t some guy who is deeply into a life of crime. also, again, studies show that cp consumption deters child sex abuse, so many cp viewers aren’t going to molest children. And many chomos don’t view cp, so arresting them in case they molest children won’t work. And many cp viewers CAN CHANGE. In fact, even chomos have a low recidivism rate. The idea that sex offenders have high recidivism rates is a MYTH.

also, if you access cp, hiding your identity IS AN ISSUE because then if people know you view cp you’ll be arrested. A closet pedophile or chomo would do ANYTHING to make sure nobody knows they’re attracted to little kids, they viewed cp, etc whatever they did. They would instantly be accused of pedophilia if they say anything that I said in this thread, but if they say the moralfag shit that you say, nobody will accuse them, so 99% of closet pedos are prolly going to talk like you. Hell, a few anti-MAPs on twitter turned out to be child sex offenders.

Also, you will never convince me that you’d kill an abuser. I really doubt you’ve done anything that low inhib before, you’re just prolly some scrawny guy who couldn’t beat a newborn up. It is SUPER RARE for parents or anyone to kill a molester, and I don’t see why I should believe you’re that 1 in a million who would. I bet the worst thing you ever did was simply beat someone up, killing someone requires going to prison and possibly death row, you have to be crazy to kill, I really doubt you’d kill anyone, mr wannabe badass. Any person online will say “oMGZ i’D KiLL tHeM” but I will bet lots of money you wouldn’t do it.

Honestly most people don’t view cp, so viewing cp doesn’t make it more commonly produced because most people don’t view cp yet it’s still produced a lot. Simply viewing a video doesn’t do shit. Are you going to say we should be executed if we voted for a war criminal. If videos of people being murdered were viewed by me, would suddenly the homicide rate skyrocket and vids of murderers recording their murders appear more often and thus, I shall be executed for looking at a video of someone being murdered. You aren’t even actually involved much other than maybe by a tiny bit, you have only a tiny tiny tiny involvement in the crime and thus executions or even life sentences are too far. Society wouldn’t want me executed for watching someone get killed or voting a war criminal but look at one naked child photo and I shall be tortured and killed because of society’s moral panic over pedophilia which didn’t even exist btw until the 1880s

Can't believe I read all of this tbh. It was even a good read ngl

 

[Deleted member 21324]

Wow.

 

[Caesercel]

see, you refuse to acknowledge the situation where two middle schoolers have sex and enjoy it. you just say "lol" or "not gonna happen", and just evade it because you cannot address it. you need to frame it as "rape" because then your appeal to morality makes more sense

Oh you were talking about 2 middle schoolers having sex with each other? In that case I'd say its a failure of society, culture, parents and the school system that literal children are having sex. Appeal to morality is the only appeal that makes sense,without that why are we even roasting foids daily in the first place. Might as well just accept their hypergamous nature and LDAR, why even bother talking about foids. No. This entire situation is a result of failure of people to stick to principles. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot expect to have a virgin loyal wife to have kids with and then think about living a life of NEETdom. Modern foid nature forced many incels into LDAR life where some of them have no qualms about snorting up coke or watching literal cp. A common ground can only be achieved when a system forces both sides to curb their immoral urges and activities. Morality did just that.

 

[Deleted member 20987]

IT bait

They already homed in Mainlanders thread which inspired this unnecessary repeated thread with repeated poll.

https://incels.is/threads/do-you-hate-pedophiles.219291/page-2#post-4937903

We already know about Dr Pizza being an IcelTear contributor (and now imprisoned convicted child molestor)- so pot calling kettle black, glass stones and houses en all.

 

[Robtical]

2. There is no healthy way to consume the rape of a child. Period.

Young chads have tons of videos fucking jb's. If we watched those videos after he leaks them online, there will be no "victim".

where did I ever say that I want to watch CP? I never said cp should be legal, what I said is that if viewing cp should result in prison so should watching videos of someone being murdered brutally,

Porn with jb teens should be legal.

CP should be illegal because if people are watching that, then it creates a demand for more child abuse, and each distribution of the image revictimzes the child.

Whenever someone watches a video of someone getting beat or killed, the victim is also "revictimized".

This is classical criminal excuse right here. The crime is gonna happen anyway so might as well play our part in it. Lets not take moral responsibility for our actions at all. Frankly we are moving into straight up sociopath teritorry right now. Of course all this is divorced from the simple reality that children are being molested specifically so that pedos sitting at their homes could watch it.

When jb's get fucked by their chad boyfriends no one is getting "molested". Those teen whores like getting fucked anyway, and no moralfags are stopping them, so there shouldn't be a problem with uploading it.

Of course if humane methods don't work on cp watchers we can always put them in a "room". As I said, such a guy roaming around? Not worth the risk.

There are lots of foids who fuck teens too, but no moralfags say they should be locked up as much as men who do it. The real reason behind the jb moralfagging is misandry at the end of the day.

I am being as rational as one could possibly be when arguing with people who defend cp consumption. These are not my personal opinions , just facts. If it were really upto me all cp watchers with proven history would be jailed for life or better yet shot then and there(cheaper solution). But cooler minds than mine prevail who have decided that things should be done humanly with sympathy for the pedo. And that's the stance I have chosen to take.

All moralfag cucks should be shot or locked up for life.

I agree. Human beings live in a civilization by not just fulfilling but curbing their urges . With proper counselling even a pedo who is not a complete sociopath should be able to develop the empathy for the affected children, required to not consume cp to fulfill his urges. Of course if such methods fail we have "other means" to deal with them.

"I have so much empathy for a jb whore getting fucked by a chad on camera."

Oh you were talking about 2 middle schoolers having sex with each other? In that case I'd say its a failure of society, culture, parents and the school system that literal children are having sex. Appeal to morality is the only appeal that makes sense,without that why are we even roasting foids daily in the first place. Might as well just accept their hypergamous nature and LDAR, why even bother talking about foids. No. This entire situation is a result of failure of people to stick to principles. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot expect to have a virgin loyal wife to have kids with and then think about living a life of NEETdom. Modern foid nature forced many incels into LDAR life where some of them have no qualms about snorting up coke or watching literal cp. A common ground can only be achieved when a system forces both sides to curb their immoral urges and activities. Morality did just that.

The only way to get a virgin these days is to go for a young teen. Keeping the AoC high is the reason there are so many chad chasing whores, unlike 100 years ago when there were no cucked AoC laws. Normies are fine with teens getting fucked, but only become moralfags when an adult does the fucking.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Young chads have tons of videos fucking jb's. If we watched those videos after he leaks them online, there will be no "victim".
Porn with jb teens should be legal.

Whenever someone watches a video of someone getting beat or killed, the victim is also "revictimized".

When jb's get fucked by their chad boyfriends no one is getting "molested". Those teen whores like getting fucked anyway, and no moralfags are stopping them, so there shouldn't be a problem with uploading it.

There are lots of foids who fuck teens too, but no moralfags say they should be locked up as much as men who do it. The real reason behind the jb moralfagging is misandry at the end of the day.

All moralfag cucks should be shot or locked up for life.

"I have so much empathy for a jb whore getting fucked by a chad on camera."

The only way to get a virgin these days is to go for a young teen. Keeping the AoC high is the reason there are so many chad chasing whores, unlike 100 years ago when there were no cucked AoC laws. Normies are fine with teens getting fucked, but only become moralfags when an adult does the fucking.

Idk why moralfags like Caesercel are allowed on here

 

[Smitty]

Such a bullshit cope. If in a murder video, the murder is done for the video itself then of course supporting such industry should be immoral and illegal. But that's rarely the case.

In case of child porn the child is ruined explicity for the purpose of videographic consumption. So its consumption is immoral at the outset. Plus pedos who possess cp are potential child abusers so they shod be recorded and institutionalized ASAP.

So many pedofags on this forum.

1. CP is produced through illegal means.
2. CP is of an inherently harmful nature, being in and of itself an affront to the dignity of the child in question.
3. Such media, being contrary to the public morality and decency, should therefore be outlawed.
4. In order to effectively enforce a ban on such content, heavy penalties should exist for those who illegally view such media.

Another point is that "murder videos" have a multitude of reasons to exist and can sometimes be found on news channels or private videos to showcase an event or make a point. These are mostly things of people dropping form buildings, being hit by trucks, bombings but on sites like liveleak or bestgore you can also find cartel murders, assasinations, suicides and so on with most of them being accidentally caught on camera. They have an informational value and the category is wide, putting a zero tolerance ban on anything involving murder and violence would be yet another repressive policy.
Something that was deliberately caught on camera for an agenda, like the Christcurch cleansing or the 2 guys 1 Drill murder, will recklessly be chased of the internet, snuff videos are sort of a legend exactly because they arent readily available except maybe somewhere on the darknet.
"Murder videos" being fine is a pedo lie, besides that its just another whataboutist fallacy that carries no weight, pedos being thrown in prison or killed is always a good thing, although I have something else in mind for them and their fellow sexually perverted.

see, you refuse to acknowledge the situation where two middle schoolers have sex and enjoy it. you just say "lol" or "not gonna happen", and just evade it because you cannot address it. you need to frame it as "rape" because then your appeal to morality makes more sense

This isnt about the "two middle schoolers" its about the people watching it you fucking dumbass, stick your pseudo moralist argument up your ass moe faggot.

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[Edmund_Kemper]

Another point is that "murder videos" have a multitude of reasons to exist and can sometimes be found on news channels or private videos to showcase an event or make a point. These are mostly things of people dropping form buildings, being hit by trucks, bombings but on sites like liveleak or bestgore you can also find cartel murders, assasinations, suicides and so on with most of them being accidentally caught on camera. They have an informational value and the category is wide, putting a zero tolerance ban on anything involving murder and violence would be yet another repressive policy.
Something that was deliberately caught on camera for an agenda, like the Christcurch cleansing or the 2 guys 1 Drill murder, will recklessly be chased of the internet, snuff videos are sort of a legend exactly because they arent readily available except maybe somewhere on the darknet.
"Murder videos" being fine is a pedo lie, besides that its just another whataboutist fallacy that carries no weight, pedos being thrown in prison or killed is always a good thing, although I have something else in mind for them and their fellow sexually perverted.
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This isnt about the "two middle schoolers" its about the people watching it you fucking dumbass, stick your pseudo moralist argument up your ass moe faggot.

and there’s also videos on the dark web of innocent people being murdered and the murderer uploading the video. So if I upload a bunch of videos of myself murdering people, should those who view the video be arrested or executed? I mean that would encourage me to make more vids of myself murdering people in videos for entertainment. Let’s say I uploaded it on there for entertainment. Also, if the media can’t show child porn incidents for information, isn’t videos of some guy getting brutally murdered also too far to show? And should I get arrested if I voted for someone who was a war criminal, should I be tried for war crimes. You can’t say that someone should be killed for simply watching videos or photos. It’s stupid. They aren’t even actually involved in the crime. It’s like saying I’m a war criminal for voting for one or I’m a murderer for giving views to a professional killer who makes murder videos for entertainment, you’re only giving a view to a free video, you aren’t even involved in the crime other than simply playing the video on some screen, which is only a tiny tiny little involvement if involvement at all. You’re just simply watching a video on some screen, you aren’t evil if all you can do is watch a video. You’re perverted but barely evil. The idea someone should be executed for watching cp is stupid, and fuck off with the auschwitz bs, you aren’t edgy at all.

 

[Caesercel]

Dude show me proof that every single sexual activity between adults and children is violent and involves children screaming for help. Yes you can get a child to agree to sex and if they agree they WILL enjoy it. How is that hard to understand? The child WILL enjoy it if they agree to sexual activity, they aren’t going to fuck and then suddenly they scream and no longer agree to it

HONK HONK

If there was a murder video industry and I watched a vid of someone murdered, nobody would want me dead or even given a life sentence, everyone would know I can be rehabilitated because all I did was stare at a damn screen. How is that someone is doomed to reoffend? How is that someone involved in murder. You don’t earn money by getting views or downloads for your free videos.

Point already addressed as:

Your entire argument to justify the consumption of videography of children getting raped/violated would fall apart if not for these pathetic false equivalencies, wouldn't it? Not that there was much argument to begin with when it is based on such loose logic.

Because we know that 1. The viewers are not gonna kill someone since gore consumption and porn consumption are fundamentally different(another false equivalence btw). Plus there are socially acceptable and healthy ways to consume violence and anybody who goes beyond that does deserve to be looked at at least. 2. There is no healthy way to consume the rape of a child. Period.

Also read this for reference: False equivalence wiki

Also read my reply to @Mainländer about why comparison with gore porn is faulty logic. https://incels.is/threads/do-you-hate-pedophiles.219291/post-4934900

Also there is hardly such murder video industry. If there were I could easily argue why regular possession or consumption of such material should amount to legal action. Cannot compare fiction with reality. CP is real, pedos are real, child molesters are real. The harm that CP causes to that child is damn real. Don't try to act all innocent by saying that "you just stared at a screen". I call bullshit. I stared at a screen with cp, what you are advocating for are people who promote it, distribute it and get off to it.

You don’t earn money by getting views or downloads for your free videos. Musicians don’t earn money through their YouTube video songs being streamed for free (unlike Spotify which costs money) and musicians neverearned money through free downloads.

Where are you trying to go with this? That pedos should be allowed to jack off to child rape because the crime is already committed? Is THAT your argument. How many times does this criminal sociopathic logic needs to be debunked by saying
1.) CP makers DO make money by selling their copies to primary consumers.
2.) Even if 1 wasn't true, downloading or distributing such content WILL incentivize them to make more, they wouldn't be recording it if people were not taking said recordings.
3.) If we ignore 1 or 2, watching child rape or molestation, an act which is a crime, is no healthy way for a pedo to cope.
4.) A pedo who has gone that far into the moral dunghole IS a risk to society and needs further rehabilitation.

I’ve read articles about it. if a war criminal is executed, you don’t execute his voters too because they supported him. Stop using mental gymnastics to say my analogies suck. How is killing someone for viewing cp any different from killing a guy who voted for a war criminal?

I never said cp consumers should get the same punishment as child abusers. They should be treated just as any pedophile who has started consuming cp deserves to be treated.

If all you did was watch A video, you aren’t some guy who is deeply into a life of crime.

But it also does not mean everything is alright either. That intervention is not needed. Your attempts at whitewashing the gravity of the situation are sad.

also, again, studies show that cp consumption deters child sex abuse, so many cp viewers aren’t going to molest children. And many chomos don’t view cp, so arresting them in case they molest children won’t work. And many cp viewers CAN CHANGE. In fact, even chomos have a low recidivism rate. The idea that sex offenders have high recidivism rates is a MYTH.

And herein lies the core of our issue. Just do some self introspection. You are actually advocating for the moral benefits of cp. That it reduces molestation. Except that it is made by molestation in the first place . Even if you were advocating that cp viewers shouldn't be viewed as criminals, this is not the right way to go about it. This shows a complete lack of empathy for the child being harmed/abused. Of course you would construe this basic empathy as me being "emotional" and "irrational". What should we do then? Distribute legaly made cp to all pedophiles so they won't harm children? Fuck No. It is the pedo that needs to change, stop watching cp and stop molesting children. The sad part is this is not even the most abhorrent thing you have said so far(refer back to honk honk).

If you became a prosecutor you’d realize that many child porn involves children smiling and enjoying it. I’ve read articles about it.

This quote will fit very well in a clown world compilation

also, if you access cp, hiding your identity IS AN ISSUE because then if people know you view cp you’ll be arrested. A closet pedophile or chomo would do ANYTHING to make sure nobody knows they’re attracted to little kids, they viewed cp, etc whatever they did. They would instantly be accused of pedophilia if they say anything that I said in this thread, but if they say the moralfag shit that you say, nobody will accuse them, so 99% of closet pedos are prolly going to talk like you. Hell, a few anti-MAPs on twitter turned out to be child sex offenders.

Any sane person will look at this thread and make their conclusions. I won't say anything more.

Also, you will never convince me that you’d kill an abuser. I really doubt you’ve done anything that low inhib before, you’re just prolly some scrawny guy who couldn’t beat a newborn up. It is SUPER RARE for parents or anyone to kill a molester, and I don’t see why I should believe you’re that 1 in a million who would. I bet the worst thing you ever did was simply beat someone up, killing someone requires going to prison and possibly death row, you have to be crazy to kill, I really doubt you’d kill anyone, mr wannabe badass. Any person online will say “oMGZ i’D KiLL tHeM” but I will bet lots of money you wouldn’t do it.

Why are we even arguing over this. Its not like I am going to jump out of the screen and punch you. It says more about you than me actually. You seem to find contentment in the idea pedophiles face lesser repercussions for their actions than many people would want.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

This isnt about the "two middle schoolers" its about the people watching it you fucking dumbass, stick your pseudo moralist argument up your ass moe faggot.

no, my point was that watching it does no harm, because Caesercel implied you would be watching a video of a rape, and I implied the child porn is not necessarily rape.

 

[Irishcel]

Fucking libertarians

 

[Caesercel]

Idk why moralfags like Caesercel are allowed on here

Says the guy advocating for the consumption of child pornography

 

[Mainländer]

Also there is hardly such murder video industry.

There's hardly a CP "industry" either. The "3 billion per year CP industry" is nothing but a myth (that is easily spread because obviously most people aren't willing to enter that territory to do their research). I suggest you read wikileaks article about CP. The vast majority of it is amateur.

And, again, even if there was such huge industry, you don't contribute to it when you don't pay anything to it. I'm not contributing to the movie industry when I pirate their movies. I'm not contributig to the music industry when I pirate their music. So why would someone be contributing to the alleged CP industry by pirating CP?

"Oh but it's different because I assume they had the intention to draw attention to themselves". No, it's not, even if that was a valid reason to outlaw simple possession (it's not).

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Oh you were talking about 2 middle schoolers having sex with each other? In that case I'd say its a failure of society, culture, parents and the school system that literal children are having sex. Appeal to morality is the only appeal that makes sense,without that why are we even roasting foids daily in the first place. Might as well just accept their hypergamous nature and LDAR, why even bother talking about foids. No. This entire situation is a result of failure of people to stick to principles. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot expect to have a virgin loyal wife to have kids with and then think about living a life of NEETdom. Modern foid nature forced many incels into LDAR life where some of them have no qualms about snorting up coke or watching literal cp. A common ground can only be achieved when a system forces both sides to curb their immoral urges and activities. Morality did just that.

I agree middle schoolers shouldn't be having sex, but sometimes they do, and those who are watching that type of child porn are different from the types who watch children being raped by adults

 

[Caesercel]

Fucking libertarians

Its just excuses/mental gymnastics masquerading as "logic" and "ideology"

I agree middle schoolers shouldn't be having sex, but sometimes they do, and those who are watching that type of child porn are different from the types who watch children being raped by adults

Every case is different and requires analysis to see how far the offender is down the rabit hole. I have already said that. That aside, middle schooler sex is wrong on another level. Even hindus and deobandi muslims, for whom the concept of pedophilia is non-existent, who practice child marriage don't go that far. That simply shouldn't be happening.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

HONK HONK



Point already addressed as:



Also read this for reference: False equivalence wiki

Also read my reply to @Mainländer about why comparison with gore porn is faulty logic. https://incels.is/threads/do-you-hate-pedophiles.219291/post-4934900

Also there is hardly such murder video industry. If there were I could easily argue why regular possession or consumption of such material should amount to legal action. Cannot compare fiction with reality. CP is real, pedos are real, child molesters are real. The harm that CP causes to that child is damn real. Don't try to act all innocent by saying that "you just stared at a screen". I call bullshit. I stared at a screen with cp, what you are advocating for are people who promote it, distribute it and get off to it.



Where are you trying to go with this? That pedos should be allowed to jack off to child rape because the crime is already committed? Is THAT your argument. How many times does this criminal sociopathic logic needs to be debunked by saying
1.) CP makers DO make money by selling their copies to primary consumers.
2.) Even if 1 wasn't true, downloading or distributing such content WILL incentivize them to make more, they wouldn't be recording it if people were not taking said recordings.
3.) If we ignore 1 or 2, watching child rape or molestation, an act which is a crime, is no healthy way for a pedo to cope.
4.) A pedo who has gone that far into the moral dunghole IS a risk to society and needs further rehabilitation.



I never said cp consumers should get the same punishment as child abusers. They should be treated just as any pedophile who has started consuming cp deserves to be treated.



But it also does not mean everything is alright either. That intervention is not needed. Your attempts at whitewashing the gravity of the situation are sad.



And herein lies the core of our issue. Just do some self introspection. You are actually advocating for the moral benefits of cp. That it reduces molestation. Except that it is made by molestation in the first place . Even if you were advocating that cp viewers shouldn't be viewed as criminals, this is not the right way to go about it. This shows a complete lack of empathy for the child being harmed/abused. Of course you would construe this basic empathy as me being "emotional" and "irrational". What should we do then? Distribute legaly made cp to all pedophiles so they won't harm children? Fuck No. It is the pedo that needs to change, stop watching cp and stop molesting children. The sad part is this is not even the most abhorrent thing you have said so far(refer back to honk honk).



This quote will fit very well in a clown world compilation



Any sane person will look at this thread and make their conclusions. I won't say anything more.



Why are we even arguing over this. Its not like I am going to jump out of the screen and punch you. It says more about you than me actually. You seem to find contentment in the idea pedophiles face lesser repercussions for their actions than many people would want.

I never said we should legalize cp stop putting words in my mouth. What I said was that if a person uploaded videos of themselves murdering people for entertainment, nobody would be arrested for viewing it, so why aren’t they arrested? That’s a my question is. How hard is that to understand?

also, children CAN enjoy it. I’m sorry but it’s true. If a child says yes, and starts sucking your dick, how is the child instantly going to go from happy and to suddenly screaming in agony? Can you show me studies showing that they only will scream in agony. Become a prosecutor, alright I have seen guys who researched this topic and they have said in many child porn videos the child is actually enjoying it and smiling. All you have is your own paranoid brain telling you that the child has a 100% chance of screaming in agony.

also, watching freevideos of a guy being murdered by the uploader will encourage them to make more, doesn’t mean you’re involved in the crime or that you should be executed. Voting for a war criminal doesn’t make you a war criminal either. This guilt by association you use for cp consumption is dumb. Also, a person who watches murder videos for real life people being killed for entertainment can be a possible future killer, yet nobody wants him arrested, so why isn’t he arrested, that’s all I ask. I never said that cp is ok and I never said cp is important for stopping child sex abuse, what I am saying is that calling cp viewers potential abusers is not exactly true because studies show it deters abuse.

people who view cp can totally be rehabilitated. Many of them don’t abuse kids and many chomos don’t watch cp according to data. The idea that a guy who overall was simply staring at a screen will inevitably reoffend is retarded. Also, not all cp viewers do it for sexual pleasure some are curious. And no, you wouldn’t kill anyone. I doubt you are part of the .0001% who kill molesters. Chomos don’t get killed often it’s rare. And it’s even rare in prison. Prisons are very low murder rates according to BJS and 97.1% of prison wardens said sex offenders are NOT in life threatening danger when entering prison, besides you can’t compare yourself to convicted robbers burglars killers domestic abusers etc anyways.

Says the guy advocating for the consumption of child pornography

I never even said that. Enough straw man. I am talking about consumption of cp comparing it to consumption of other illegal videos made for entertainment. It’s just asking people a curious question of their opinion

 

[Caesercel]

There's hardly a CP "industry" either. The "3 billion per year CP industry" is nothing but a myth (that is easily spread because obviously most people aren't willing to enter that territory to do their research). I suggest you read wikileaks article about CP. The vast majority of it is amateur.

And, again, even if there was such huge industry, you don't contribute to it when you don't pay anything to it. I'm not contributing to the movie industry when I pirate their movies. I'm not contributig to the music industry when I pirate their music. So why would someone be contributing to the alleged CP industry by pirating CP?

"Oh but it's different because I assume they had the intention to draw attention to themselves". No, it's not, even if that was a valid reason to outlaw simple possession (it's not).

1.) CP makers DO make money by selling their copies to primary consumers.
2.) Even if 1 wasn't true, downloading or distributing such content WILL incentivize them to make more, they wouldn't be recording it if people were not taking said recordings.
3.) If we ignore 1 or 2, watching child rape or molestation, an act which is a crime, is no healthy way for a pedo to cope.
4.) A pedo who has gone that far into the moral dunghole IS a risk to society and needs further rehabilitation.

Your logic makes no sense. The people who make cp FILM IT and DISTRIBUTE IT. But somehow, they are not doing it for YOUR consumption. They are doing it.......just cuz? Great way to take the responsibility off of your own shoulders. But of course it wouldn't stand if a little bit of common sense is used.