"I'm not like the other incels!
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What a thread. First off, I don't believe in free will, so there is no such thing as choice and we are predetermined to be "filthy" or not.
Second, society tells us what "filth" is, for example deodorant and hair gel are social constructs that don't actually contribute to hygiene, so I don't blame anyone for not using them.
Third, I don't actually blame people for anything. You don't have a moral responsibility to be clean. You are only hurting yourself.
Fourth, obsessing over "cleanliness" is very feminine
(Sorry, I had to say it).
The whole "volcel if you're dirty" argument is dumb, and represents cucked logic. The problem isn't that some guys can't get laid. If they can get laid, can't get laid, whatever. Some people just get lucky. The PROBLEM is that 80/20 makes it so that no amount of individual ascension fixes the systemic problem since women always go for the top by PERCENTAGE, not in absolute terms, as I discuss in the tenth paragraph
here so telling people to "just do x" misses the point entirely. It doesn't help solve the core issue. Men would be more motivated to be "clean" if they already had access to women easier.
Being "clean" won't help with getting anything worthwhile out of women anyway, but that's neither here nor there.
In this environment, I can't even on a practical level blame anyone for not wanting to contribute to society, for obvious reasons, mainly the injustice that men here experience.
I believe that people are motivated primarily by wants, and that this is OK, we should accept it, and "morality" is but a tool for getting what we want. From that perspective, why be "clean" (ever-shifting goalpost anyway, what was considered "clean" 100 years ago is "dirty" today) when that doesn't help one get what one wants? And even if it does, why hold people to what they want? If they're not getting it, it's their problem. Either way, I'm not judging such an act- only if I deem it to be congruent with their goals (or their goals for society) will I try to practically convince them that they should clean up, and if it should be illegal then I will support the enforcement of the law (it shouldn't), but otherwise why get assmad over it?
"Bu-bu I'm truecel! These fakecels aren't working as hard as me, they haven't suffered rejection in response to hard work as much as I have!" Yes, yes, we get it, you're very oppressed, but the core injustice is systemic and the same one that we're all fighting against. So stop with the oppression olympics, misery likes company and people don't have to "try super duper hard" to please women by "being presentable" (debatably cucked anyway) to see the injustice.
"Bu-bu you're making this forum look bad!" While optics are important sometimes, other people in this thread have pointed out that no matter how much we concede and "do what they say, and it STILL didn't work! THAT'LL show them that we really ARE oppressed!", we will still be construed as evil by IT and the zeitgeist. We should not do things solely because it makes us look better.
To be clear: I think the world would be better if more men would be hygienic, and I would try to convince the people in the posts to be hygienic. I certainly don't want to live like that (but currently unfortunately am). It is worth noting, as others have pointed out, that it is not simply a matter of "clean men/dirty men"- some men were clean, but then lost motivation due largely to factors outside of their control.
The one situation where I would say it is immoral to be filthy is if you are taking care of a woman and demanding close contact-in which case, you either better be providing something extra to compensate for your filth or clean up.
But overall, you aren't a special snowflake, these things often aren't in people's control, the real problem is society, and people should not be blamed for their cleanliness level but only encouraged to create the world they would want to live in.
