JFL@ this, already on IT again(do I trigger them or something), look at some of these comments. I'll try to respond to some of this since they're talking about me.
So what I’m getting from this is that this specific waste of human tissue believes he has no control over his own life whatsoever. I also like how he identifies an issue in that he’s “passive” and never thought to you know maybe change that? Mad idea I know.
Also a little side thought that’s bugged me for a few years now, but why do so many dudes on the internet attribute being passive or quiet to being nice? I used to think a bit like that years ago but thinking back I wasn’t particularly nice, at best I was neutral to most people I wasn’t really doing anything to really earn being called a nice person. But I was convinced that because I was mostly passive and not very outwardly confident and didn’t ask anyone for anything, that it made me a nice dude, who was nicer than everyone else.
I am trying to change that, I'm in therapy, not sure that it's helping me but isn't that what the people on your sub recommend? Also if you want to argue that I make excuses for myself, ask yourself how I could consistently believe that I don't have control over my own life, while somehow also affirming that my bullies and the people who rejected me had some measure of free will which I didn't. The answer is of course that the latter is false, determinism is a two way street, the people whom I hate had no more control than I did.
First part: they're mad because people see through the "nice" exterior whereas a successful sociopath can fool people with their charm and charisma long enough to get what they want.
Second part: Because it's always about them first, last and everything in between.
"Nobody suffers more than me! Nobody is more oppressed than me! Nobody is more deserving of sympathy (read: pussy) than meeeeeee!"
It's the same narcissism that has them believe the fucking Holocaust and centuries of slavery pale in comparison to not being able to stick their dick in a virgin 14-year-old supermodel with the natural talent of a veteran porn star and that it's everyone else's fault that they can't.
I'm not attempting to fool anybody and as you said, I probably don't even have the capacity to do so. The reason why I try to be considerate towards people is because I believe it's the right thing to do, that's a pretty basic part of social conditioning.
Your entire second argument is nothing but a strawman, you're attacking a viewpoint which I simply don't hold. I'm not upset due to missing out on pleasure, I'm upset that I've been lonely and depressed for years, refer to my thread below this one in the "similar threads" section if you're curious. Innumerable people have it worse than me, it's just that reminding me of this fact does nothing to mitigate or resolve my problems.
I'm convinced at this point that most incels are completely socially illiterate. The stuff normal people take for granted, like reading body language, listening to tone, and parsing facial expressions just seems not to be in their skill set. Otherwise all of the "wammenz can't tell we shitpost on reddit" makes no sense because someone with social literacy would find it obvious that a person who spends all their time miserable and hateful would express that unintentionally.
In fairness this one is at the very least a half truth, I am socially illiterate, I'm at least trying to change that. But I still don't see how someone could magically know that I'm a "woman hating man" if I did nothing to willfully express this to them. Even by your logic, at best people couldn't distinguish the difference between that, or the possibility that I'm simply having a bad day.
I've been rejected and bullied most of my life. High School was a horrible experience for me, and my early 20's weren't much better. I haven't let it consume me to the point that I hate everyone, and assume everyone is out to get me. I've met some very decent people in my life. I'm in a good point in my life now, and it's all because I've worked for it and I refused to give up. I still just have a handful of friends and I keep to myself. Now I'm not sure if I have a great personality or not (maybe I don't since I enjoy being a loner) but I get along with most people. If I don't, it's something that was mutual that happened between us. I just know I don't let myself be bitter and I most certainly don't write horrifying things on the internet.
It's not a fun experience to be rejected or bullied, but it's about you react to it. I used to react to it poorly in High School, but now I've realized it says more about the person than me.
Well I have no irl friends, I don't even know how to make friends. I also don't see how my situation drastically changes if I go from "tfw no gf, time to LDAR" to "tfw no gf, might as well wageslave and keep being productive for no real reward", this is only a measurable positive increase in how valuable I am to society, this change doesn't exist for me, if anything I'd feel worse.
Having a bad thing happen to you, even repeatedly, even if terribly awful, does not mean that one's actions are beyond reproach. Pointing out that incels react badly to rejection (or even just potential rejection) and that this contributes to their own (further) misery is a very uncomfortable truth for them.
I'm not going to attempt to justify my feelings, as it's completely futile. My only goal is to explain why I feel the way that I do, not to scale whether or not my feelings mesh with some version of consensus driven conceptualized justice. It's already an arbitrary concept, but what you're really talking about is how I'm allowed to
feel, not act, I never said I condoned hurting anyone. Fuck anyone who tells me what I'm allowed to think.
Also yes the second part is at least true for me, I legit have AVPD, rejection makes me want to kill myself. However once again, I don't see how exposing myself to further rejection will make my situation any better. I'm a 3/10, I've tried online for years, never had any luck with it, and I have no idea how to meet people irl at my age regardless, especially where I live.
So basically, none of these comments really explain how I'm such a terrible person for voicing my thoughts on the internet.
