Eh, I'd say I hate women. There's substantial evidence that shows the majority of women act the same. I can understand your views tho.
I'd say there's a distinction between the obviously correct disavowal of "Not All Women Are Like That!" or coping via "being on the look-out for unicorns" as these mindsets obviously exist to deny the extent to which are women are typically the same and that this is reflective of their inherent nature as women — and simply hating women. I think it's possible to understand what I just said and to not hate them. At the very least, you'd agree it's not a requirement to hate them or doesn't necessarily follow to accept the blackpill truths. (I'm distinguishing hate from dislike or resentment. After 28 years of real world experience, I can say I generally dislike, resent, and do not trust women at this point. But do not and wouldn't see myself ever going as far to say I hate all women. A big issue with women for me is their in-group preference bias; my resentment of them is largely defensive, given how they regard us men.)
You've been around for a while and this forum is small, so do you remember
soul contre tous? His account is gone now. (but it doesn't say he was banned under his name, so I'm guessing he left of his own choosing.) A year ago I had a great conversation with him about his characterization about the redpill and blackpill here. In it, he said incels who say they hate women are coping, (he compared it to Aesop's sour grapes, writing off what you can't have as undesirable in the first place) and it's just a phase of blackpill rage they will outgrow, either if they continue to be incel and settle into an acceptance of reality more, (more on this below) or if they ascend. "Truly enlightend blackpillers hate existence as a sub-6 male by itself," he said. From
this post of yours here I get the impression you may be in agreement with what he said on the redpill; by holding women to this ideal of monogamy/traditionalism, they're coping by suggesting the only reason women aren't like this in this society is because of the "Jews"/"The Left"/"The Feminists"/"globalists"/"crony capitalists"/whatever. (bluepillers just are in sheer denial about women and live to defend all those things, of course.)
He said twice,
the second time here in a reply to a user who defended hatred to women and insisted he was the one who was coping, that incels would throw out their supposed "hatred" to women for a chance to be with one, even a low-tier Becky:
keep coping nigga as soon as a LTB offered her pussy to you, you would become a bitch made lil cuck, same as everyone else here.
You don't hate foids, you hate the idea of foids you made up in your head as a way to cope with your genetic subhumanity.
Foids on the other hand hate you for who you are, since they are viscerally repulsed by your genetic inferiority.
That female visceral disgust towards subhumans is real hatred my friend.
I was going to say that you may feel that this is the kind of way a normie would respond to an incel, but I don't think it is. They treat us as subhumans and simply affirm the (possibly false) notion we will never get a girlfriend. To defend the bullshit narrative that conveniently demonizes every man in our situation as "entitled to sex" or "hating women" as if this is how we wound up here, it wouldn't occur to them to frame things on the basis of, "you wouldn't hate women if you found a girlfriend" because they don't want us to find one to begin with. Normies act like incels are incels
because they hate women, as opposed to this merely being a response to the circumstance we've been forced in through no fault of our own.
The order is actually that women reject us due to lack of looks/height/money/social status + ethnicity/ableism. Then we are accused of "hating women" merely for being single and alone and willing to be conscious and articulate about this and to criticize the society that would justify it, regardless of how we feel about women. The fact that many women have this mindset makes many incel men who otherwise might not hate women do so, I think.
Also, what he said about the redpill and blackpill was spot-on. We agreed that the blackpill would lead to a man not hating women, if anything, whereas the redpill is contradictory because it's simultaneously misogynist and gynocentric. "in my experience most of them are tradcucks, searching for
socially enforced monogamy while still putting their idea of what a women SHOULD be on a pedestal, while at the same time blaming women for how they ACTUALLY behave." As he says in the OP, according to incels women are bad, but the blackpill says that women cannot be at
fault for being that way, so they can't be objectively judged for their behavior, because objective morality doesn't exist. (whereas the redpill says women "chose to be that way," again, holding them accountable.) Otto Weininger, author of Sex and Character, said that women are
amoral, not immoral, meaning it would be incorrect to judge them as immoral because they lack the capacity for morality. Schopenhaur also describes their shittiness as just inherent to their nature.
This is reminding me of
this thread which you likely remember and is one I come back to a lot. In the end I don't agree with OP but it led a lot of good replies. (I basically agree with everyone who constructively disagrees with him)
This guy who responded sums up my thoughts exactly:
I think your misconception is that people here are like this just because of women rejection. That's not true overall, many here don't even have the guts to get near a woman for romantic purposes. What people hate is the things around women: the culture, attitude and the way we (as males and surprise surprise, human beings) are always treated as less worth if we don't reach a very high standard that is simply impossible for a large portion of males. Many of the things that make us feel less than human are supported by women and those who want female attention (and just remembering, that's natural, anyone who is not broken is willing for sex and affection, no one is denying that). Anyone who has its most basic thing (humanity) taken from you will tend to hatred and similar feelings. It's unfortunate, but it's true, that's just human nature.
-Neeru
As does this commenter who wrote the longest response, one that I mostly agree with and is just a great well-written general breakdown.
Given the amount of women who approve of all of this and encourage this mindset, and the fact that a large % of society will hence make it out to be our fault and accuse us of hating women anyway, we truly might as well hate women. In a sense this is only logical. But I think a fair amount of the guys here who say they do are aware that it's not really the ideal, or at least not the only rational response.
There's a point I like to make that if anything, this website and websites like this could lead to less hatred of women. I truly think the banning of every subreddit, including incelswithouthate, to the point that now there is a culture of fear on reddit for so much as acknowledging male loneliness anywhere, let alone having a forum dedicated to it. (r/foreveralone and r/FA30+ exist, but are largely neutered because mods will strictly ban someone they say is "engaging in incel mindsets and rhetoric" which of course just means whatever they need it to, and is there to censor men that go too far in potentially addressing and describing the problem) Men could come to hate women as a result of desperation due to isolation and having no one to talk honestly about their situation to, whereas this website encourages the realization that we're not alone and encourages being aware and informed. (as the guy who criticized the redpill I quoted above said, you're less likely to hate what you understand, so someone who's not blackpilled is if anything more likely to hate women if their only exposure to ideas are bluepilled normies, but there's nothing to hate once women are understood on a scientific basis.) Of course, in practice, the very existence of the website has led to normies demonizing any men who steps foot on it, whether or not we even identify as "incel" is irrelevant because the source of the hatred is unfortunate men and anyone willing to shine light on the phenomena and extent of male loneliness itself. This makes incels more likely to hate women or feel justified in doing so as a response. (normies are debatably just all men who defend women/white knights + most women, anyway.)
Given how immature most women are, it also just occurred to me the extent to which they would hate men if they had to be in the same position as we were. Not really a hypothetical that makes sense anyway for obvious reasons, given the distinction between the two sexes is everything and the point. But there's a point there nevertheless. I'm sure I'm not the first person here to think of this. On a basic level, maybe it's another way of just pointing out that they lack empathy. (and are less empathetic than men as Geckobus pointed out in his
Females are Psychopaths thread) They couldn't even imagine being in our place, not just for perpetually being single but social isolation and dejection in general. But if they were, they'd definitely complain about it and be a lot worse than we are about it. Overall I think we are dealing with things quite commendably, both in terms of resisting delusions and coping and not taking it out on anyone. A very true point that probably doesn't get acknowledged here enough.
I'll conclude this by quoting another guy from the "Why I don't hate women" post from the "oldercel," one that I whole-heartedly agree with.
This is some strong whitepill cope. I'm glad that you've come to terms with your inceldom and are at peace with it, brocel, but inceldom itself is not a state of harmony. You are not supposed to be OK with being an incel. It's against every fibre of your biological and evolutionary being. You've either been conditioned to accept your own sorry state, or you've deluded yourself into it. And that, my brothers, is the subtle black pill here.
It's just that again, I don't think a stance of generalized hatred of women logically follows a confrontation with this. One can adopt his mindset but simply not hate women. This is why the comments in that post that say "I don't hate women for rejecting me, they're following biology when they do. I hate how they are entitled and embellished and pretend to be the oppressed gender on top of that" are so illuminating.
A key point that this (unfortunately banned) user brought up here in the same Females are Psychopaths thread is that women are most likely to be embellished and vitriolic to men specifically to men they feel are subpar; but furthermore, subpar women
themselves are more likely to be hostile to subpar men who reject them. In other words, both Stacies and Chads are less likely to look down on us, (of course plenty could be bullies anyway, but I'm describing a pattern) because they're not insecure and afraid of failure. "Becky's existence won't have this luxury so uggos are an issue she will have to deal with eventually."
