How to set boundaries and get respected?

[Sitchnatio]

In work place it happened many Times with lower class older people they used to treat me like a shit because I slept on my feet and I'm an inept.
I think they saw me as a beta and the few times I tried to fight back it seems like they had no problems fighting ( even if I'm gymcelled but still manlet 5'8").
Also they made bad jokes/teasing/gaslighting or they yelled at my face.
They even made some unfunny disrespectful jokes like putting down my pants even if I'm 28.
My problem is that irl I'm always gentle/well mannered and respectful; I never fight back because I don't know what will be the consequences ( like being sued ) if I fight someone

 

[PHp]

I could use that help too...

 

[50ChadsOfGrey]

When you're made fun of, show you're pissed
When the jokes get more and more disrespectful or someone establish physical intrusion, show you're more and more pissed
And at some point, just fight, and make sure you hurt the guy, so everybody will know better not piss you off

 

[your personality]

Nothing you can do. If you're a sub 8 non-NT male that has been singled out for ridicule before then others literally feel entitled to keep messing with you.

 

[Deleted member 31641]

Nothing you can do. If you're a sub 8 non-NT male that has been singled out for ridicule before then others literally feel entitled to keep messing with you.

 

[Sitchnatio]

When you're made fun of, show you're pissed
When the jokes get more and more disrespectful or someone establish physical intrusion, show you're more and more pissed
And at some point, just fight, and make sure you hurt the guy, so everybody will know better not piss you off

And if they are better than me at fighting?

 

[50ChadsOfGrey]

And if they are better than me at fighting?

Take an edge
it doesnt have to be fair

 

[Sitchnatio]

Take an edge
it doesnt have to be fair

I don't want to spend a life in prison

 

[50ChadsOfGrey]

Ok if you cant think about an edge because of prison..... bendover, spread your ass and let them inside you

 

[based_meme]

I don't want to spend a life in prison

What the hell is this cucked shit? Tell them to fuck off and insult their whore mothers, if you have to, but you need to stand up for yourself. Learn how to fight better, if that's your concern, but you will have to fight someday, even if it's just verbal. The vast majority of people are monkeys and they only generally understand fear and strength.

 

[BANG]

you literally cant win in this situation tbh

 

[Sitchnatio]

What the hell is this cucked shit? Tell them to fuck off and insult their whore mothers, if you have to, but you need to stand up for yourself. Learn how to fight better, if that's your concern, but you will have to fight someday, even if it's just verbal. The vast majority of people are monkeys and they only generally understand fear and strength.

I know but irl I'm extremely quiet and I have good manner.
Its very hard for me to attack verbally

Ok if you cant think about an edge because of prison..... bendover, spread your ass and let them inside you

Ok; so when I get an edge what should I do?

 

[Dark Enlightenment]

You deserve it tbh for being a complacent complainer, what a pussy.

My problem is that irl I'm always gentle/well mannered and respectful; I never fight back because I don't know what will be the consequences ( like being sued ) if I fight someone

Gross.

 

[Sitchnatio]

You deserve it tbh for being a complacent complainer, what a pussy.

Gross.

So how do you explain my behavior? Is it the result of what?

 

[based_meme]

So how do you explain my behavior? Is it the result of what?

It's unironically your personality. And upbringing. Nobody taught you to stand up for yourself.

 

[Dark Enlightenment]

So how do you explain my behavior? Is it the result of what?

It's the result of bending the knee to society. See that's the thing I don't understand about meek incels. Society created the rules and you were instructed to follow them, you followed them, get absolutely no reward and you're left picking up the pieces asking why? Meanwhile there are those who break the rules, they're rewarded and they'll never have to ask why? How do you still have curtains pulled over your eyes? How can you still believe being a meek, humble, soft spoken person is a fucking virtue in this cruel world?

At this point you can't do shit. Either continue taking it up the ass or find a different job. You know what they say, first impressions are very important. If you establish yourself as a prey, they'll treat you as a prey.

If I were you I'd work on that meekness of yours. Realize that we're all capable of "evil" and embrace it. There's no such thing as "someone who can't even hurt a fly", that's bullshit human exceptionalism, we're animals first and foremost and animals are capable of "evil". I'm not saying you should take "immoral" action but have some self respect (Ego) and establish boundaries in the first impression that way they don't think you're some prey that'll never fight back.

In conclusion, it's about establishing that you're CAPABLE of fighting back.

 

[Sitchnatio]

It's the result of bending the knee to society. See that's the thing I don't understand about meek incels. Society created the rules and you were instructed to follow them, you followed them, get absolutely no reward and you're left picking up the pieces asking why? Meanwhile there are those who break the rules, they're rewarded and they'll never have to ask why? How do you still have curtains pulled over your eyes? How can you still believe being a meek, humble, soft spoken person is a fucking virtue in this cruel world?

At this point you can't do shit. Either continue taking it up the ass or find a different job. You know what they say, first impressions are very important. If you establish yourself as a prey, they'll treat you as a prey.

If I were you I'd work on that meekness of yours. Realize that we're all capable of "evil" and embrace it. There's no such thing as "someone who can't even hurt a fly", that's bullshit human exceptionalism, we're animals first and foremost and animals are capable of "evil". I'm not saying you should take "immoral" action but have some self respect (Ego) and establish boundaries in the first impression that way they don't think you're some prey that'll never fight back.

In conclusion, it's about establishing that you're CAPABLE of fighting back.

I think I'm just retarded; irl people told me I'm like Ralph from.The Simpson.
I'm literally good hearted and caring for others but totally inept at doing basic things and I have poor memory.
Literally I have problems doing things like cleaning the floor; I look like a totally inept because I spent too much time at home.
Also I'm socially awkward in small talk; I have nervous laughter when they insult me or they aware me about the damages I made at work.
As waiter even basic things like carrying two bottles was too much for me; I'm not smart and capable and I can't do things alone without doing damages or hurting someone.
I have problems following instructions; I just stand there in my dullness and people told me I block when I don't know what to do.
Or they tell me I'm always sleeping on my feet/never learn the job even if its basic job/slow and not capable of doing things alone.
I made a lot of damages because of my poor attention, people around me think I'm not normal or at least a weirdo

It's unironically your personality. And upbringing. Nobody taught you to stand up for yourself.

Yes but how can you stand up for youself if you're slow, skinny and short?

 

[Kamikaze]

It's the result of bending the knee to society. See that's the thing I don't understand about meek incels. Society created the rules and you were instructed to follow them, you followed them, get absolutely no reward and you're left picking up the pieces asking why? Meanwhile there are those who break the rules, they're rewarded and they'll never have to ask why? How do you still have curtains pulled over your eyes? How can you still believe being a meek, humble, soft spoken person is a fucking virtue in this cruel world?

At this point you can't do shit. Either continue taking it up the ass or find a different job. You know what they say, first impressions are very important. If you establish yourself as a prey, they'll treat you as a prey.

If I were you I'd work on that meekness of yours. Realize that we're all capable of "evil" and embrace it. There's no such thing as "someone who can't even hurt a fly", that's bullshit human exceptionalism, we're animals first and foremost and animals are capable of "evil". I'm not saying you should take "immoral" action but have some self respect (Ego) and establish boundaries in the first impression that way they don't think you're some prey that'll never fight back.

In conclusion, it's about establishing that you're CAPABLE of fighting back.

Wish i had the tools to unlock that side of my character...

 

[Deleted member 28148]

lol @ trying to gain respect as a subhuman male.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

 

[based_meme]

Yes but how can you stand up for youself if you're slow, skinny and short?

Join an MMA gym and add in a strength training regime. Do SOMETHING.

 

[Cuckoja]

Not really, if you ignore them they will eventually stop but they will consider you a pussy. If you yell and fight, they will say "its just a joke bro" and they will Satanize you and call you crazy.

 

[Incline]

Smash their faces in if you are gymcelled they will learn.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25DC6v8oPxo&ab_channel=Gravegirl94

If you get fired get some new low paying job if somebody fucks with you again do the same thing rinse and repeat until you die with a shank in your back.

 

[Emba]

Simply look at there vulnerable areas. And imagine cutting or poking or crushing them. Learn anatomy if you haven't already.

Once you can see someone as just a harmless chunk of fragility, they will sense you as dangerous. And they will fear you.

 

[Deleted member 16390]

Make ugly faces at them, basically monstermaxxing.
If they talk loud , talk louder because you cant hear them.

I heard of story of a manlet ching Chong that was bullied bi a much bigger white guy at work. But he finally snapped and ambushed the bully one day and almost killed with his deadly fists and legs.

Tell your coworkers stories like that.

 

[Mainländer]

It depends on the type of person you're dealing with. You have to gauge what type they are.

If you're dealing with people who do have a moral conscience, empathy, etc, healthy communication is the way to go. But if you're dealing with psychopaths, NPDs, BPDs and other people who lack empathy or moral consciences, they only respect violence/threats. They have to feel as if something bad will happen to them if they continue to abuse you, or else they'll never stop.

 

[Deleted member 16608]

they got concealed carry where you live?

 

[Sitchnatio]

It depends on the type of person you're dealing with. You have to gauge what type they are.

If you're dealing with people who do have a moral conscience, empathy, etc, healthy communication is the way to go. But if you're dealing with psychopaths, NPDs, BPDs and other people who lack empathy or moral consciences, they only respect violence/threats. They have to feel as if something bad will happen to them if they continue to abuse you, or else they'll never stop.

What about if I deal with low class/trashy people/low inhib exc?

 

[OwlGod]

you're not intelligent if you can't deal with this.
so, you need to learn what this situation means and how it impacts you.

Our world is hunt or be hunthed.

Bullying happens mostly between teenagers because theres almost no law on your back if you're younger than <18, it also happens often on confined places thus the reason for higher reports at school. places like army and prisons are way more brutal too. It's a dominance, control and power game due to hierarchy.

If you want a briefly explanation for the mechanism behind abuse of any sort ;
they assumed you're a easy victim i.e the prey and started attacking your amygdala nonstop (emotional reptilian part), if it is long term then the flight or fight response is constant thus not only making your amygdala sensitive but increasing it's size i.e learned training trait. Your hippocampus also start shrinking.
What they want is you to not think, to react that's why most advices regarding bullying are always retarded and only damages the victim further, even if the opponent is stronger, you don't need to play their game, get any thing that can be used as a weapon. Fear is one of the best forms of control, it's everywhere.

if you don't do anything you'll starting rethinking later of better words to use against one, the issue here is that it'll affect you deeply, since you're having an emotional bond to what happened and will keep reinforcing it by repetition, almost a word virus.
I can see it since you're already doing threads here about these people.

Increasing your verbal ability is necessary, forums such as PSL will teach you verbal abilities. just search and read there.

you could learn how to fight, right? but street fights have no rules, adrenaline should do the trick and anything can be used as a weapon. and just like street fights, verbally humiliating people has no rules too.

to dissipate the vulnerable feeling, you should've a pocket knife or brass knuckle.

 

[Mainländer]

What about if I deal with low class/trashy people/low inhib exc?

They usually belong to category 2, but there might be exceptions.

 

[OwlGod]

>don't care about the consequences. why would you do if they aren't caring?
>no necessity of setting boundaries, don't show any emotion, they're already used to it, and a habit has been formed of putting you down. grow hatred and strike by surprise, show you can go from docile to a complete ragefilled person who could drop them down if you need to.

 

[Deleted member 33557]

If you are afraid of being sued and to fight back - you already lost and question is unnecessary. Play their game and don't be fair.

 

[your personality]

Make ugly faces at them, basically monstermaxxing.
If they talk loud , talk louder because you cant hear them.

I heard of story of a manlet ching Chong that was bullied bi a much bigger white guy at work. But he finally snapped and ambushed the bully one day and almost killed with his deadly fists and legs.

Tell your coworkers stories like that.

@Sitchnatio don't do this last part. The people messing with you will figure out you're trying to convince them to leave you alone in an indirect way and will mess with you even more.

 

[Deleted member 16390]

@Sitchnatio don't do this last part. The people messing with you will figure out you're trying to convince them to leave you alone in an indirect way and will mess with you even more.

Then what do you suggest , there are situations where you seemly cant get away unless you never enter it in the first place.
In this case , entering the workplace.

 

[your personality]

Then what do you suggest , there are situations where you seemly cant get away unless you never enter it in the first place.

They believe they are allowed to be passive aggressive while OP being indirect will make the people messing with him feel he's too cowardly to directly tell them off and prompt a weird hostile reaction in them.

Gray rock method as @imsorry has mentioned works best for situations like this.

But again if someone is determined to bully you there's nothing you can do to get them to stop entirely.Giving disinterested one word answers when they try and talk with you and telling them off harshly and loudly when they touch you to try and mog you works best imo.

In this case , entering the workplace.

OP has indicated this problem follows him around no matter what workplace he's in.

 

[pixy.]

View: https://youtu.be/3DbeoV5ANNI?t=44

 

[Sitchnatio]

They believe they are allowed to be passive aggressive while OP being indirect will make the people messing with him feel he's too cowardly to directly tell them off and prompt a weird hostile reaction in them.

Gray rock method as @imsorry has mentioned works best for situations like this.

But again if someone is determined to bully you there's nothing you can do to get them to stop entirely.Giving disinterested one word answers when they try and talk with you and telling them off harshly and loudly when they touch you to try and mog you works best imo.

OP has indicated this problem follows him around no matter what workplace he's in.

Exactly; irl I come off as the classic doormat; I act very similar to George Mcfly from back from the future

They believe they are allowed to be passive aggressive while OP being indirect will make the people messing with him feel he's too cowardly to directly tell them off and prompt a weird hostile reaction in them.

Gray rock method as @imsorry has mentioned works best for situations like this.

But again if someone is determined to bully you there's nothing you can do to get them to stop entirely.Giving disinterested one word answers when they try and talk with you and telling them off harshly and loudly when they touch you to try and mog you works best imo.

OP has indicated this problem follows him around no matter what workplace he's in.

If I try to act not gentle they start wantimg to fight me easily

 

[your personality]

Exactly; irl I come off as the classic doormat; I act very similar to George Mcfly from back from the future

You've made threads that sometimes they put your hands on you. If they do that then loudly call them out and embarrass them in front of others. Unlike other forms of bullying physically pushing you around isn't something that can easily be brushed off as a joke.

If I try to act not gentle they start wantimg to fight me easily

Tell them off. Tell them they can try and if they try to attack you flip out and defend yourself with force if necessary. It's all about making it as painful and embarrassing/uncomfortable to them when they mess with you so that the fun they get out of it isn't worth the inconvenience and lack of comfort they'll experience when you call them out.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

thank god I'm not a wagie holy fukk. anyway op try the 24/7 death stare works for me

 

[Sitchnatio]

You've made threads that sometimes they put your hands on you. If they do that then loudly call them out and embarrass them in front of others. Unlike other forms of bullying physically pushing you around isn't something that can easily be brushed off as a joke.

Tell them off. Tell them they can try and if they try to attack you flip out and defend yourself with force if necessary. It's all about making it as painful and embarrassing/uncomfortable to them when they mess with you so that the fun they get out of it isn't worth the inconvenience and lack of comfort they'll experience when you call them out.

I need to take some mma classes because I'm not strong or fast

 

[your personality]

I need to take some mma classes because I'm not strong or fast

Okay. tbf taking mma classes just so people will think twice about bullying you is letting bullies control your life too. You don't have to be big to tell someone off if they touch you completely unprovoked. Even boomers can see that is bullying @Emba

 

[morgenthau]

When you're made fun of, show you're pissed
When the jokes get more and more disrespectful or someone establish physical intrusion, show you're more and more pissed

When I show that I am pissed people will just go away, exclude and ignore me.

 

[Deleted member 27161]

Either fight one of them or Carry a knife, and stab one of them. 0 reason to take disrespect from anybody in fucking person when your already treated like shit by society and have nothing to fucking lose.

When you're made fun of, show you're pissed
When the jokes get more and more disrespectful or someone establish physical intrusion, show you're more and more pissed
And at some point, just fight, and make sure you hurt the guy, so everybody will know better not piss you off

 

[BITG]

Be tall and/or attractive. Anything else is cope

 

[snotchin]

In work place it happened many Times with lower class older people they used to treat me like a shit because I slept on my feet and I'm an inept.
I think they saw me as a beta and the few times I tried to fight back it seems like they had no problems fighting ( even if I'm gymcelled but still manlet 5'8").
Also they made bad jokes/teasing/gaslighting or they yelled at my face.
They even made some unfunny disrespectful jokes like putting down my pants even if I'm 28.
My problem is that irl I'm always gentle/well mannered and respectful; I never fight back because I don't know what will be the consequences ( like being sued ) if I fight someone

Old low class people are retarded. Age doesnt mean wisdom. They are jealous of you because you are so much younger than them but are at the same workplace! You are so much more successful than they were at that age.

 

[Sitchnatio]

Be tall and/or attractive. Anything else is cope

174cm and babyface here

 

[Emba]

Okay. tbf taking mma classes just so people will think twice about bullying you is letting bullies control your life too. You don't have to be big to tell someone off if they touch you completely unprovoked. Even boomers can see that is bullying @Emba

By knowing how fragile people are it becomes easy to win with your eye.

174cm and babyface here

Read, "the book of five rings"

It's available as an audio book too.
(torrent magnet)

Or actually buy the thing... It's worth it.

 

[littlemanhikicel]

I can relate with this shit. I'm not working but usually I get bullied and

the few times I tried to fight back it seems like they had no problems fighting

yes this indeed a proof of how people get over you when you're ugly and short like me.

 

[Sitchnatio]

I can relate with this shit. I'm not working but usually I get bullied and

yes this indeed a proof of how people get over you when you're ugly and short like me.

I'm 173/174cm with " funny " face

 

[your personality]

In work place it happened many Times with lower class older people they used to treat me like a shit because I slept on my feet and I'm an inept.
I think they saw me as a beta and the few times I tried to fight back it seems like they had no problems fighting ( even if I'm gymcelled but still manlet 5'8").

So then keep fighting against them then. Call their bluff because they are trying to call yours.

Also they made bad jokes/teasing/gaslighting or they yelled at my face.

Yell back in their face and embarrass them even more.