Experiment How much do you believe looks matter?

[Hoodpreet]

Obviously we all agree that looks matter and are the main thing that makes you incel, but it seems we disagree as to what level of attractiveness is actually needed to secure genuine desire from a female.

Won’t say my own position to avoid power of suggestion. Do comment yours though. Answer assuming the hypothetical person at each looks level is NT.

And for those new to this forum and/or the BP:

Chad – top 5-15% of physical attractiveness

HTN – above average attractive

MTN – average-looking

LTN – slightly below average

 

[Bulbasaur]

Just be HTN is the correct answer.

 

[GrAYnigger]

Sub6 if NT, Sub8 if autist

 

[AutistSupremacist]

Just be htn, but being chad is ideal for the ltr we all desire.

 

[Skelly]

just be Chad is delusional cope only touted by lazy fakecels
"muhh muhh if you aren't 9/10 you may as well give up!" - said the 6/10

 

[☹]

Just be mtn and NT thats all you need

 

[Skelly]

I am a firm believer in MTN. If you have at least average looks then you can 100% live a good fulfilling life. I have seen way too many normies ascend and go on to live happy lives for me to think otherwise.

Just be mtn and NT thats all you need

 

[I hate women]

just be chad

 

[Autist]

LTN + NT

I've been watching them since school/adolescence

 

[GrAYnigger]

I am a firm believer in MTN. If you have at least average looks then you can 100% live a good fulfilling life. I have seen way too many normies ascend and go on to live happy lives for me to think otherwise.

The question of the thread is genuine desire though. We can't take other aspects like social status and wealth into account. From what I am assuming is that the foid will want to be around you and sleep with you whenever you ask her for sex.

 

[Hohenstaufen]

Personally I believe height to be the most important factor in a Man.

So if we assume our male is 6ft+ then ltn to MTN is enough.

 

[Skelly]

The question of the thread is genuine desire though. We can't take other aspects like social status and wealth into account. From what I am assuming is that the foid will want to be around you and sleep with you whenever you ask her for sex.

still MTN. If you aren't an autistic fuck then you should have no problem courting women

 

[fastnbulbous]

Just Be White and NT

 

[Autist]

@Animecel2D the only one who knows what's going on.

LTNs were the main cause of my social ostracism.

 

[OverLoner]

Just Be White and NT

I got the first part down. How do I get the second part down?

 

[Animecel2D]

@Animecel2D the only one who knows what's going on.

LTNs were the main cause of my social ostracism.

Most of my bullies were low tier normies. Pure scum, they were

 

[Hoodpreet]

I am a firm believer in MTN. If you have at least average looks then you can 100% live a good fulfilling life. I have seen way too many normies ascend and go on to live happy lives for me to think otherwise.

I agree with you insofar as I believe redpill/looksmaxxing advice can work for MTNs. But in practice, taking that advice still involves ascending to de-facto HTN via hair/beardfrauding, heightfrauding, framefrauding with roids, leveraging racial preferences (like JBW with Asian girls, JBB with ghetto white girls and Latinas), etc.

So I voted HTN+

 

[Hoodpreet]

Personally I believe height to be the most important factor in a Man.

So if we assume our male is 6ft+ then ltn to MTN is enough.

Above average height with a MTN face is de-facto HTN. I said at the bottom that I’m talking about overall physical attractiveness not just facial aesthetics

 

[Skelly]

I agree with you insofar as I believe redpill/looksmaxxing advice can work for MTNs. But in practice, taking that advice still involves ascending to de-facto HTN via hair/beardfrauding, heightfrauding, framefrauding with roids, leveraging racial preferences (like JBW with Asian girls, JBB with ghetto white girls and Latinas), etc.

So I voted HTN+

Well technically that's just be MTN + looksmaxxing + statusmaxxing
If you have to do extra stuff it's not "just be X" anymore which I why i voted MTN+

 

[Hoodpreet]

I believe Just be HTN+, but with hypergamy and misandry/WGTOW only worsening with time, I could potentially see Just be Chad actually becoming reality in some years

 

[Blitz]

Chad – top 5-15% of physical attractiveness

Chad is top 0.1% for middle class germanic whites in first world countries

 

[Todd Thundercock]

Sub-7 is my general theory in my Tinder experiments.

There's a huge difference between that 8+ Chad line where women will line up to please you, then that 7-8ish Chadlite line where you're still attractive but now there's competition... and the biggest delineation is that sub-7 line with guys we'd still see as above average attractiveness but women think they can do better. And when women think that, you're stuck in their game as disposable trash.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Chad is top 0.1% for middle class germanic whites in first world countries

That makes no sense cause Germanic whites are more attractive on avg than other races. I assume you’re a lot more likely to come across Chads in Denmark or The Netherlands than in a more racially heterogeneous country like America.

But then again, a higher looks distribution also means higher foid standards on average, so if you mean “Chad” in an SMV rather than looks sense I could kinda see what you’re saying

 

[Caichan]

Just be HTN is the correct answer.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Sub-7 is my general theory in my Tinder experiments.

There's a huge difference between that 8+ Chad line where women will line up to please you, then that 7-8ish Chadlite line where you're still attractive but now there's competition... and the biggest delineation is that sub-7 line with guys we'd still see as above average attractiveness but women think they can do better. And when women think that, you're stuck in their game as disposable trash.

I see. The reason I’m a sub-6 believer is because, at least from what I’ve observed, once you reach the “slightly attractive” threshold you open up nichemaxxing opportunities; so there’s potential for success even if you may not register as anything special to most women. But for general appeal yeah sub-7 is probably more true

 

[autisticsoy]

Depends if the person is nt or nd.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Depends if the person is nt or nd.

Answer assuming the hypothetical person at each looks level is NT.

Most people are NT so that should be assumed as the default (even if it may not be on this forum)

 

[autisticsoy]

Most people are NT so that should be assumed as the default (even if it may not be on this forum)

Then they dont need to be chad tier in looks to get laid. Just normie to high tier would probably be good enough. Wont have a shitload of women but enough to not be an incel.

 

[PersonalityChad]

Sub-5 theory (just be MTN+)

 

[Todd Thundercock]

I see. The reason I’m a sub-6 believer is because, at least from what I’ve observed, once you reach the “slightly attractive” threshold, you open up nichemaxxing opportunities; so there’s potential for success even if you may not register as anything special to most women. But for general appeal yeah sub-7 is probably more true

Agreed. Obviously, it's better being a 6.5 than a 4.5.

My general rule is there's a 2+ point looksmatch difference between men and women. So, a male 6 usually can get a female 4. Whereas the male 4 going for the female 2 means she's FAT and generally unfuckable range.

But, juggernaut law is always a bitch. All it takes is one 7+ guy horny enough to give your 4 the time of day and everything goes to shit.

 

[Rapistcel]

Obviously we all agree that looks matter and are the main thing that makes you incel, but it seems we disagree as to what level of attractiveness is actually needed to secure genuine desire from a female.

Won’t say my own position to avoid power of suggestion. Do comment yours though. Answer assuming the hypothetical person at each looks level is NT.

And for those new to this forum and/or the BP:

Chad – top 5-15% of physical attractiveness

HTN – above average attractive

MTN – average-looking

LTN – slightly below average

Its over If you are sub 5

 

[SupremeSaint]

Sub-5 to get friends/have a semblance of a social life
Sub-7 to get women to actually love you (not beta-buxx)

 

[Il_Brutto_]

Obviously we all agree that looks matter and are the main thing that makes you incel, but it seems we disagree as to what level of attractiveness is actually needed to secure genuine desire from a female.

Won’t say my own position to avoid power of suggestion. Do comment yours though. Answer assuming the hypothetical person at each looks level is NT.

And for those new to this forum and/or the BP:

Chad – top 5-15% of physical attractiveness

HTN – above average attractive

MTN – average-looking

LTN – slightly below average

Just be chad is the only correct answer, others are just cope

 

[Grodd]

True love is Chad only.

 

[EcstasyCel]

Sub5 theory for NT, Sub8 theory for autists.

 

[Blitz]

That makes no sense cause Germanic whites are more attractive on avg than other races. I assume you’re a lot more likely to come across Chads in Denmark or The Netherlands than in a more racially heterogeneous country like America.

But then again, a higher looks distribution also means higher foid standards on average, so if you mean “Chad” in an SMV rather than looks sense I could kinda see what you’re saying

The higher looks average in the situation I mentioned is the point, otherwise chad would be almost impossible to obtain.

 

[Skoga]

Height > looks > everything else

 

[La Longue Fourchett]

If it's Genuine desire as you said, then you really need to be a Chad.
Even 2/10 women have received some form of attention/compliments from Chads, leading them to believe that they themselves are 9/10. In order for them to genuinely love/desire you without feeling like they are not settling, you need to match their delusion.

 

[Jimb0]

looks are everything

 

[Enigmaz]

I think you barely surpass the foid radar threshold if you're LTN and tall. I'm not saying you'll be drowning in pussy if you're LTN + tall, but you will eventually ascend in due time. I could never see an LTN tallnigger announcing themselves as an incel, I'd laugh and say where's the punchline. Though those types of people are already on the forum.

 

[ColderManTruce]

just be chad

 

[Rapemaxxer]

Top 15% are chads jfl? Chadlites are like top 2% (98th percentile) and chads are less than top 0.1% (>99.9 percentile). HTN begins at top 15% (85th percentile) imo.

The average white (Anglo-Germanic) person is LMTN/HLTN. Average ethnic is LTN.

 

[NickelodeonCel]

just be Chad is delusional cope only touted by lazy fakecels
"muhh muhh if you aren't 9/10 you may as well give up!" - said the 6/10

 

[Hoodpreet]

Top 15% are chads jfl? Chadlites are like top 2% (98th percentile) and chads are less than top 0.1% (>99.9 percentile). HTN begins at top 15% (85th percentile) imo.

This is true if you include the entire male population. I’m moreso specifying the 18-30 age group as that’s the age range of most of this forum (and thereby the competition we face).

The average white (Anglo-Germanic) person is LMTN/HLTN.

Idk what this obsession of certain ethnics here is of saying non-Northern Europeans aren’t white. Also “Anglo-Germanic” isn’t a thing, Anglo is a Germanic ethnicity. I assume you meant Celto-Germanic.

Average ethnic is LTN.

Depends on the group. Different races of “ethnics” have vastly different phenotypes on average. Massive difference between average Levantine/Kavkaz and average curry looks for example

 

[Yunoo]

If you’re NT and not a failure at life you can be a MTN and have some kind of success with dating.

If you’re not NT being HTN+ is mandatory

 

[160cmbloop]

chad is rare enough irl

the closest you’ll get to a real life ‘chad’ is a tall htn

or a mtn that’s 6’5 with clout status

 

[BlackLowLtn]

Depends, I believe a healthy relationship would just need average looks, or even below average looks in certain cases.

But thats in the premise of a ‘healthy’ one which, with how I view it, is just two people trying to make things work over minor affection towards each other, not to the point of genuine love as in near devotion(but not complete devotion) together but enough to feel better around eachother.

Just because you are comfortable, does that really constitute as love?
Not really, most relationships dissolve due to this; and in modern society physical attraction is just too important to dismiss (for lurkers, even if you want to dismiss the notion of someone needing to be attractive in beauty standards, it’s pretty obvious one should hold some physical attraction to their partner in their own opinion, right?).

Even people well-off, rich etc would have partners that don’t feel much towards them outside of faint affection and comfort; which is more contributed to the lifestyle they provide rather than the individual themselves.
It’s weird to say it like this but it seems closer to a close friend that you share with and would sometimes feel more daring towards rather than a connection that both sides are heavily invested in.

Relationships are naturally more devoted and intimate once there’s physical attraction involved as well, it’s just a natural reaction.

HTN is a pretty clean bar for this, as in a general sense they would be seen as just attractive by the general population, meaning most people would see them desirable enough for that intimate connection, maybe they won’t hit the mark at first but they eventually do.
There are of course examples of ‘genuine love’ relationships existing well below this bar, but let’s not pretend examples that only constitute the minority of such relationships somehow means majority of people below that bar will find it.
And below MTN? Good luck even finding a long-lasting transactional relationship is utterly outlier in that regards, forget genuine love.

Though, in the end my definition for genuine love is artificial at best; I struggle to comprehend something I never experienced, not even from my (lack of) parents.

 

[Hoodpreet]

the closest you’ll get to a real life ‘chad’ is a tall htn

or a mtn that’s 6’5 with clout status

I specified SMV Chad in the post, not facial Chad. So this would take looks, height, and frame into account. But yeah you’re right that actual face rating autists’ standard of Chad is giga rare irl. People who think you need to be a PSL God to attract women are as delusional as bluepillers

 

[BlackLowLtn]

I am a firm believer in MTN. If you have at least average looks then you can 100% live a good fulfilling life. I have seen way too many normies ascend and go on to live happy lives for me to think otherwise.

I believe this as well; just the idea of ‘genuine desire’ is a bit too vague.

 

[BlackLowLtn]

Sub-7 is my general theory in my Tinder experiments.

There's a huge difference between that 8+ Chad line where women will line up to please you, then that 7-8ish Chadlite line where you're still attractive but now there's competition... and the biggest delineation is that sub-7 line with guys we'd still see as above average attractiveness but women think they can do better. And when women think that, you're stuck in their game as disposable trash.

I’d still say sub-6 as a HTN would eventually find “genuine desire/love” in the end of the day if they looked hard enough on an individual basis, even if it isn’t the first few relationships you’d still find eventually find them in your lifetime majority of the time; while you have to look at a group of MTNs that search their whole lives to find a few who luck out.

Chad is only obvious in experiments since there is no ‘filtering’ phase that others have to go through throughout their lifetime, at that point it’s outlier for someone not find you attractive enough for near/utter devotion.