Discussion How disadvantageous do you guys think neurodivergence actually is?

[Mehmet410]

As someone who's severely nd, I can attest to the horrors of this crippling condition and life circumstance. I haven't a single friend, I've been severely bullied since 7 years of age, verbally and physically, but what if I was chad? How much of a role do you think it would play then? Let's create a hypothesis here. Let's say someone like prime Henry Cavill, Jensen Ackles, or Dolph Lundgren was nd (severe nd, like autism level 3 or schizophrenia) and lets say he lived in a small town of a few thousand people where everyone knows each other and so you can't really put on a camouflage, how well would he fare socially or dating wise?

 

[fokusin]

it is a subhuman trait

 

[DISASTER]

Look how they are traited in most of earth, being bullied and abused

 

[Animecel2D]

ND chad is still chad

he won’t fare as well as if he were NT but he definitely wouldn’t be incel in any stretch of the imagination

 

[Mehmet410]

it is a subhuman trait

On that note, why? I understand humans are evolutionarily wired to seek commuity formation and group harmony which leads to quickly denouncing anyone that differs from them, but what I noticed is that even folks who are high functioning nds, or just slightly awkward in how they carry themselves (unusual sense of humor, inability to detect sarcasm etc...) very often end up completely alone. It's hard to understand why society is so dedicatedly cruel to neurodivergence.

 

[Mehmet410]

ND chad is still chad

he won’t fare as well as if he were NT but he definitely wouldn’t be incel in any stretch of the imagination

I think so too. What about htns or low chadlites? Would a woman put up with constant stimms, witness other people bully him, and all else that comes with being nd?

 

[Mehmet410]

Look how they are traited in most of earth, being bullied and abused

(un)lucky for me, i dont have to look

 

[fastnbulbous]

If you had chad looks, you would have never been bullied or ostracized in the first place, although you would still be "weird", but it would be the kind of weird femoids actually like. Doesn't mean that NT doesn't matter, i firmly believe the life of a neurotypical ugly guy is much much better than that of an autistic ugly guy. You just can't ever be normal if you have autism. Your entire life falls apart as an autist if you don't have good looks.

 

[Nithingr]

ND chad is still chad

he won’t fare as well as if he were NT but he definitely wouldn’t be incel in any stretch of the imagination

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[Animecel2D]

I think so too. What about htns or low chadlites? Would a woman put up with constant stimms, witness other people bully him, and all else that comes with being nd?

Gets a bit iffy in that situation

maybe could find a hookup or two from some drunk slut who cant even recognize his ND behaviour at the time. Any chance at a long term relationship will be doomed though

 

[hunter x atomics]

it is a subhuman trait

 

[Mehmet410]

If you had chad looks, you would have never been bullied or ostracized in the first place, although you would still be "weird", but it would be the kind of weird femoids actually like. Doesn't mean that NT doesn't matter, i firmly believe the life of a neurotypical ugly guy is much much better than that of an autistic ugly guy. You just can't ever be normal if you have autism. Your entire life falls apart as an autist if you don't have good looks.

bullying is not a sole or even most prominent cause of neurodivergence according to contemporary psychiatry. Chemical imbalances are a thing. But even among good looking people, enviromental trauma can and does occur. Looking like chad won't save you from a car accident or alcoholic stepdad that leads you to have PTSD, as just one example.

 

[niggerrapist5'6]

If you're attractive or for example come from a rich family I think it doesn't really matter, if you're an ND Chad foids still talk about you, want to be near you. Genuinely seen this when I was studying in uni, they brought us an exchange student that was like 6'3 htn, the second he came in foids started talking about him, after class I saw same whores walking and siting at launch with him, but he was the most retarded, braindead subhuman from slums of dagestan or whatever, he sometimes literally would say random words that made no sense, and everybody knew this, even our professor called him out for making absolutely no fucking sense, still had a lot of people near him, again being a total 80iq moron. I wouldn't even call him ND just retard lmao. So yes, being ND is hell but only for poor or ugly people.

 

[tradswede]

Look how they are traited in most of earth, being bullied and abused

If it's severe they get treated better than normies

 

[DISASTER]

If it's severe they get treated better than normies

Not so much, the autist and the down syndrom are somewhat treated good after raising awareness about their issues

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

In my view, it is a MAJOR disadvantage (RIP if you're ND and sub5). You are definitely worse off. But:

ND chad is still chad

he won’t fare as well as if he were NT but he definitely wouldn’t be incel in any stretch of the imagination

 

[fokusin]

On that note, why? I understand humans are evolutionarily wired to seek commuity formation and group harmony which leads to quickly denouncing anyone that differs from them, but what I noticed is that even folks who are high functioning nds, or just slightly awkward in how they carry themselves (unusual sense of humor, inability to detect sarcasm etc...) very often end up completely alone. It's hard to understand why society is so dedicatedly cruel to neurodivergence.

Simply because normies don't like to put up with autists with different functioning brain

 

[Ioser]

As someone who's severely nd, I can attest to the horrors of this crippling condition and life circumstance. I haven't a single friend, I've been severely bullied since 7 years of age, verbally and physically, but what if I was chad? How much of a role do you think it would play then? Let's create a hypothesis here. Let's say someone like prime Henry Cavill, Jensen Ackles, or Dolph Lundgren was nd (severe nd, like autism level 3 or schizophrenia) and lets say he lived in a small town of a few thousand people where everyone knows each other and so you can't really put on a camouflage, how well would he fare socially or dating wise?

unless you're like high htn or chadlite it's a guaranteed a miserable and lonely life, height alone won't help either

 

[Sir Silentium]

Thanks for the thread, I was just about to make one similar. Perfect title too.


I was recently cucked by a slightly above average looking dude facially, 6ft. This female was all over him as if he was a chad, but had a super good "personality" by modern means - which carried him - as his looks were also pretty good.

Also keep in mind that this was a church girl, and she would lower her standards physically speaking.


The grief from this occurrence made me delve into studies and articles regarding neurodivergence, such as it's impact on friendships, relationships, attractiveness, etc.

---

But before I go into that, I want to make a few things clear (from what I have noticed):

1. Neurotypicality ≠ Personality
Neurotypicality is more of an objective measurement, whilst personality is more subjective.

A good way to put this is measuring across groups for example:
Japan good personality = introverted, whilst United States good personality = extroverted.
But then if we take a look at NT, that is generally extroverted anywhere, as we are naturally extroverted beings.

So someone can still be 100% NT, but still have a "bad" personality - especially depending on which group they are in.


So I believe that Neurotypicality/Personality (however you want to look at it) matters, but only after you already have the looks (and it is just an added bonus that still can carry you heaps).

---

Now moving into the topic:

How disadvantages do I think ND is? Well it depends for each group of people. In western society it is a major set back, and if you are even slightly below average facially but super ND, you may as well be subhuman in a hypergamic society. I can speak from experience.

I feel like this is one of those topics where you kind of have to speak from experience about - there is only so much you can take from articles online that all contradict each other anyways.

But there comes a point, to where you are extremely ND and you actually get treated better than usual - as a form of pity.

---

Now this is my experience with ND - keeping it very brief:

I am not very unattractive, maybe 4/10 facially, 5'10, olive skinned ethnicity brings me down in Australia - but not terrible physically right.
I have never been able to make any true friends in real life, never been able to even get a female my age to look at me in the eye when I am speaking to them, and have never always been treated as an outsider since I was 3 years old in preschool.

I don't blame this on my looks, I blame with on my Neurodiversity. And why you may ask? Because I see everyone else who is way worse looking than me, doing better in all the aspects I mentioned above. This is without cherry picking.

---

But this makes sense of course, as people react negatively to ND factors such as:
- awkward timing
- low reciprocity
- unusual affect
- anxious/non-natural body language
- difficulty fitting group norms

And they do this instinctively, without realising it.


I also want to mentioned the Halo effect that people get from being attractive, to coming off more neurotypical. And an unattractive person coming off more neurodivergent.

But then again, whilst the Halo effect plays a part, this can still be true. As good looking individuals upbringings make them more likely to have been treated better - (where that environment + genetic combination comes into play) - and they develop more "neurotypical" than others.

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And why do I say personality/NT matters - whilst still being blackpilled?

Because I don't believe that you can change your personality (to an extent).

After further research, there seems to be an 80/20, genetics to environment split in regards to Neurodiversity and Personality.

Genetics provide the blueprint for potential, but the environment is the final dictator. This is the same both physically/looks, and mentally/neurotypicality.


And the 'environment' sectioned listened above is whilst your brain is still developing, especially during puberty.
So trying to change your personality after puberty has finished can be almost impossible - but at the end of the day it is all about genetic potential.

But remember, personality only matters if you have the looks to come with it.
And I have a bias as my interactions have been in Christian groups which differ from the rest of modern society.

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Also note: I am still learning about this so take everything I just mentioned with a grain of salt.

Second note: I realise I have differentiated from your topic slightly, but still I felt the need to mention this, and it can be applied into your context.

Third note: My paragraph structuring was poor and might have been hard to follow - tell me if it is hard to follow so I can improve on it.

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@GeckoBus I would love to hear your take on this

 

[GeckoBus]

Thanks for the thread, I was just about to make one similar. Perfect title too.


I was recently cucked by a slightly above average looking dude facially, 6ft. This female was all over him as if he was a chad, but had a super good "personality" by modern means - which carried him - as his looks were also pretty good.

Also keep in mind that this was a church girl, and she would lower her standards physically speaking.


The grief from this occurrence made me delve into studies and articles regarding neurodivergence, such as it's impact on friendships, relationships, attractiveness, etc.

---

But before I go into that, I want to make a few things clear (from what I have noticed):

1. Neurotypicality ≠ Personality
Neurotypicality is more of an objective measurement, whilst personality is more subjective.

A good way to put this is measuring across groups for example:
Japan good personality = introverted, whilst United States good personality = extroverted.
But then if we take a look at NT, that is generally extroverted anywhere, as we are naturally extroverted beings.

So someone can still be 100% NT, but still have a "bad" personality - especially depending on which group they are in.


So I believe that Neurotypicality/Personality (however you want to look at it) matters, but only after you already have the looks (and it is just an added bonus that still can carry you heaps).

---

Now moving into the topic:

How disadvantages do I think ND is? Well it depends for each group of people. In western society it is a major set back, and if you are even slightly below average facially but super ND, you may as well be subhuman in a hypergamic society. I can speak from experience.

I feel like this is one of those topics where you kind of have to speak from experience about - there is only so much you can take from articles online that all contradict each other anyways.

But there comes a point, to where you are extremely ND and you actually get treated better than usual - as a form of pity.

---

Now this is my experience with ND - keeping it very brief:

I am not very unattractive, maybe 4/10 facially, 5'10, olive skinned ethnicity brings me down in Australia - but not terrible physically right.
I have never been able to make any true friends in real life, never been able to even get a female my age to look at me in the eye when I am speaking to them, and have never always been treated as an outsider since I was 3 years old in preschool.

I don't blame this on my looks, I blame with on my Neurodiversity. And why you may ask? Because I see everyone else who is way worse looking than me, doing better in all the aspects I mentioned above. This is without cherry picking.

---

But this makes sense of course, as people react negatively to ND factors such as:
- awkward timing
- low reciprocity
- unusual affect
- anxious/non-natural body language
- difficulty fitting group norms

And they do this instinctively, without realising it.


I also want to mentioned the Halo effect that people get from being attractive, to coming off more neurotypical. And an unattractive person coming off more neurodivergent.

But then again, whilst the Halo effect plays a part, this can still be true. As good looking individuals upbringings make them more likely to have been treated better - (where that environment + genetic combination comes into play) - and they develop more "neurotypical" than others.

---

And why do I say personality/NT matters - whilst still being blackpilled?

Because I don't believe that you can change your personality (to an extent).

After further research, there seems to be an 80/20, genetics to environment split in regards to Neurodiversity and Personality.

Genetics provide the blueprint for potential, but the environment is the final dictator. This is the same both physically/looks, and mentally/neurotypicality.


And the 'environment' sectioned listened above is whilst your brain is still developing, especially during puberty.
So trying to change your personality after puberty has finished can be almost impossible - but at the end of the day it is all about genetic potential.

But remember, personality only matters if you have the looks to come with it.
And I have a bias as my interactions have been in Christian groups which differ from the rest of modern society.

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Also note: I am still learning about this so take everything I just mentioned with a grain of salt.

Second note: I realise I have differentiated from your topic slightly, but still I felt the need to mention this, and it can be applied into your context.

Third note: My paragraph structuring was poor and might have been hard to follow - tell me if it is hard to follow so I can improve on it.

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@GeckoBus I would love to hear your take on this

I was recognized as ND since early age but my parents did not pursue a diagnosis because they felt insulted by the idea that their son was mentally disabled. So it took another 20 years until I was 26, to get an aspergers diagnosis. Now on the question of NT-Pill and impact, I think that a lot of ND people do look different to normal people, which some studies say normies can pick up extremely quickly, resulting in negative impression. Also not often mentioned: Autism has a whole list of physical co-morbid disorders. Many autistic people have neurological issues, a huge amount of blind people have autism (40% to 50%), autistic people suffer from higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, gastro-intestinal issues and many other things that can be detected visually from the outside. This blurs the line between autism and your physical visual appearance

There is also double empathy effect, which is this thing in autism research where autistic people get along better with other autistic people. This could just be due to autistic people sharing some sort of "autistic phenotype" and thus being around other autistic people is like surrounding yourself with looksmatched peers.

An additional thing to think about: Autistic women struggle way less than autistic men to get dates, relationships, sex.
This can have multiple reasons: Either looking female alone makes people forgive these women autistic behavior, or these women are actually not or way less autistic but diagnosed anyway due to societal bias. Both are possible, both are probably true. We know that even mentally disabled 2/10 girls can have body count of 200 easily.

Men are judged harder anyway for their behavior and looks, so having autism + being male + being below average male = death sentence. For a woman, having autism may actually increase her SMV due to juggernaut law. Few months ago there was an online trend "get yourself an autistic gf" - because there is a belief that autistic women are purer, more loyal etc.

Neurotypical Peers are Less Willing to Interact with Those with Autism based on Thin Slice Judgments - PubMed

Individuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), including those who otherwise require less support, face severe difficulties in everyday social interactions. Research in this area has primarily focused on identifying the cognitive and neurological differences that contribute to these social...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Why do foids love larping autism so much?

It genuinely infuriates me because they are the exact same people to bully the fuck out of actually autistic niggas and call them weird, and they managed to turn it into a quirky hot girl aesthetic.

incels.is

I think overall the line between Neuro-divergence and looks is much less clear than people think, they probably overlap a lot to the point where people can tell someone has autism before even speaking to them, based on the visual cues available.

 

[Aein_the_Nihilist]

Life ruining

 

[Mr Black]

not even close to the struggle of being short or ugly

 

[Mehmet410]

I think overall the line between Neuro-divergence and looks is much less clear than people think

That much is evident from this threat alone. Lots of diverse opinions ranging from "it doesn't matter at all as long as you're chad" to "its a death sentence fullstop". I will admit the question is very broad and doesn't account for how many different mental illnesses there are, how different cultures perceive them, i.e, I am Eastern European, a south Croat, and here there's a very low tolerance for anyone weird or different, but in Los Angeles or London I might fit in better since amidst all that knife violence or homeless crises someone autistic is the least of anyone's concerns and people are more sensitive towards us or at least less blunt and brutal than yugopoors to be physical about it.

 

[Mehmet410]

Thanks for the thread, I was just about to make one similar. Perfect title too.

No problem, I appreciate the lengthy and carefully curated response. And aside from the slight overuse of spaces the structure and wording are fine. ND men being judged far more harshly than women is obviously a no brainer, what our community would call "water", there isn't really any circumstance where women aren't better treated. I'd go as far as saying ND women have it better and easier than NT dudes. Sorry about your shortcomings but hey at least you're not a manlet and 4/10 is very workable, maybe with a bit of speech therapy or something you could get to ascend someday.

 

[ndltn]

As someone who's severely nd, I can attest to the horrors of this crippling condition and life circumstance. I haven't a single friend, I've been severely bullied since 7 years of age, verbally and physically, but what if I was chad? How much of a role do you think it would play then? Let's create a hypothesis here. Let's say someone like prime Henry Cavill, Jensen Ackles, or Dolph Lundgren was nd (severe nd, like autism level 3 or schizophrenia) and lets say he lived in a small town of a few thousand people where everyone knows each other and so you can't really put on a camouflage, how well would he fare socially or dating wise?

NT is law. ND lowers SMV by 2 points.

 

[ndltn]

As someone who's severely nd, I can attest to the horrors of this crippling condition and life circumstance. I haven't a single friend, I've been severely bullied since 7 years of age, verbally and physically, but what if I was chad? How much of a role do you think it would play then? Let's create a hypothesis here. Let's say someone like prime Henry Cavill, Jensen Ackles, or Dolph Lundgren was nd (severe nd, like autism level 3 or schizophrenia) and lets say he lived in a small town of a few thousand people where everyone knows each other and so you can't really put on a camouflage, how well would he fare socially or dating wise?

I am a neurodivergent aspergerscel, and I was severely bullied by normies and htns too, since primary school all the way throughout high school. Normies can detect your neurodivergence in milliseconds and they will give you hell for it.

Bullies deserve to be ER'd upon for their cruelty.

 

[ndltn]

As someone who's severely nd, I can attest to the horrors of this crippling condition and life circumstance. I haven't a single friend, I've been severely bullied since 7 years of age, verbally and physically, but what if I was chad? How much of a role do you think it would play then? Let's create a hypothesis here. Let's say someone like prime Henry Cavill, Jensen Ackles, or Dolph Lundgren was nd (severe nd, like autism level 3 or schizophrenia) and lets say he lived in a small town of a few thousand people where everyone knows each other and so you can't really put on a camouflage, how well would he fare socially or dating wise?

 

[Animecel2D]

I wouldn't call myself chad. But I'm 6'2 with decent face. I had girls initiating flirting with me, write me valentine letters, so I'm attractive I guess.

What a joke

how the fuck does anyone have the gall to call themselves incel when you literally have foids flirting, initiating and writing bloody love letters to you? All you're doing is proving my point even more. If you have the looks, autism is only a slight hindrance

 

[Animecel2D]

Smoking on that @AutisticChad pack

 

[Takuji Mamiya]

Thanks for the thread, I was just about to make one similar. Perfect title too.


I was recently cucked by a slightly above average looking dude facially, 6ft. This female was all over him as if he was a chad, but had a super good "personality" by modern means - which carried him - as his looks were also pretty good.

Also keep in mind that this was a church girl, and she would lower her standards physically speaking.


The grief from this occurrence made me delve into studies and articles regarding neurodivergence, such as it's impact on friendships, relationships, attractiveness, etc.

---

But before I go into that, I want to make a few things clear (from what I have noticed):

1. Neurotypicality ≠ Personality
Neurotypicality is more of an objective measurement, whilst personality is more subjective.

A good way to put this is measuring across groups for example:
Japan good personality = introverted, whilst United States good personality = extroverted.
But then if we take a look at NT, that is generally extroverted anywhere, as we are naturally extroverted beings.

So someone can still be 100% NT, but still have a "bad" personality - especially depending on which group they are in.


So I believe that Neurotypicality/Personality (however you want to look at it) matters, but only after you already have the looks (and it is just an added bonus that still can carry you heaps).

---

Now moving into the topic:

How disadvantages do I think ND is? Well it depends for each group of people. In western society it is a major set back, and if you are even slightly below average facially but super ND, you may as well be subhuman in a hypergamic society. I can speak from experience.

I feel like this is one of those topics where you kind of have to speak from experience about - there is only so much you can take from articles online that all contradict each other anyways.

But there comes a point, to where you are extremely ND and you actually get treated better than usual - as a form of pity.

---

Now this is my experience with ND - keeping it very brief:

I am not very unattractive, maybe 4/10 facially, 5'10, olive skinned ethnicity brings me down in Australia - but not terrible physically right.
I have never been able to make any true friends in real life, never been able to even get a female my age to look at me in the eye when I am speaking to them, and have never always been treated as an outsider since I was 3 years old in preschool.

I don't blame this on my looks, I blame with on my Neurodiversity. And why you may ask? Because I see everyone else who is way worse looking than me, doing better in all the aspects I mentioned above. This is without cherry picking.

---

But this makes sense of course, as people react negatively to ND factors such as:
- awkward timing
- low reciprocity
- unusual affect
- anxious/non-natural body language
- difficulty fitting group norms

And they do this instinctively, without realising it.


I also want to mentioned the Halo effect that people get from being attractive, to coming off more neurotypical. And an unattractive person coming off more neurodivergent.

But then again, whilst the Halo effect plays a part, this can still be true. As good looking individuals upbringings make them more likely to have been treated better - (where that environment + genetic combination comes into play) - and they develop more "neurotypical" than others.

---

And why do I say personality/NT matters - whilst still being blackpilled?

Because I don't believe that you can change your personality (to an extent).

After further research, there seems to be an 80/20, genetics to environment split in regards to Neurodiversity and Personality.

Genetics provide the blueprint for potential, but the environment is the final dictator. This is the same both physically/looks, and mentally/neurotypicality.


And the 'environment' sectioned listened above is whilst your brain is still developing, especially during puberty.
So trying to change your personality after puberty has finished can be almost impossible - but at the end of the day it is all about genetic potential.

But remember, personality only matters if you have the looks to come with it.
And I have a bias as my interactions have been in Christian groups which differ from the rest of modern society.

---

---

Also note: I am still learning about this so take everything I just mentioned with a grain of salt.

Second note: I realise I have differentiated from your topic slightly, but still I felt the need to mention this, and it can be applied into your context.

Third note: My paragraph structuring was poor and might have been hard to follow - tell me if it is hard to follow so I can improve on it.

---

@GeckoBus I would love to hear your take on this

Jeenyus.
I feel like this too. I actually think I’m not bad looking, I’ve got potential to look good. But that’s all negated due to my neurodivergency. Women seem naturally repulsed by me on first look, my looks don’t matter because being ND is enough to ruin everything.

 

[Takuji Mamiya]

I am a neurodivergent aspergerscel, and I was severely bullied by normies and htns too, since primary school all the way throughout high school. Normies can detect your neurodivergence in milliseconds and they will give you hell for it.

Bullies deserve to be ER'd upon for their cruelty.
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Brutal statistic. Bullies are the bottom of society.

 

[Gaelic-Truecel]

I believe it has an effect on my looks as I hit puberty when I was 10. I was my adult height of 5'6 by aged 11. This was very unusual and started my life time of bullying. I think this was linked with autism and some hormonal issues.

Another problem I have is that I have an oversized skull which gives me a big chubby moon face which is not good for facial attractiveness. If I had a thin normal skull I would have looked better.

The way autism effected me is that I am unsociable and I have a strange quite voice which caused social problems. This all led to isolation and I believe the 15+ years of isolation made me even more anxious and socially inept.

 

[OverLoner]

What a joke

how the fuck does anyone have the gall to call themselves incel when you literally have foids flirting, initiating and writing bloody love letters to you? All you're doing is proving my point even more. If you have the looks, autism is only a slight hindrance

And autism will mess it up at every turn. Doesn't matter how good your features are if the retard aspect of you constantly gets in the way. It's like having a good gun without bullets.

 

[Animecel2D]

And autism will mess it up at every turn. Doesn't matter how good your features are if the retard aspect of you constantly gets in the way. It's like having a good gun without bullets.

You may as well say looks don’t matter at all and personality is everything

and join the rest of the rabble on Inceltears. Idk why some of you autists are so insistent that it’s a death sentence even when you have good looks. Are you really telling me the guy I quoted is an incel in any way? Jesus….

 

[Sir Silentium]

I was recognized as ND since early age but my parents did not pursue a diagnosis because they felt insulted by the idea that their son was mentally disabled. So it took another 20 years until I was 26, to get an aspergers diagnosis. Now on the question of NT-Pill and impact, I think that a lot of ND people do look different to normal people, which some studies say normies can pick up extremely quickly, resulting in negative impression. Also not often mentioned: Autism has a whole list of physical co-morbid disorders. Many autistic people have neurological issues, a huge amount of blind people have autism (40% to 50%), autistic people suffer from higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, gastro-intestinal issues and many other things that can be detected visually from the outside. This blurs the line between autism and your physical visual appearance

True, it's as if ND and looks aren't mutually exclusive to each other - so drawing that like can be a challenge like you mentioned

There is also double empathy effect, which is this thing in autism research where autistic people get along better with other autistic people. This could just be due to autistic people sharing some sort of "autistic phenotype" and thus being around other autistic people is like surrounding yourself with looksmatched peers.

An additional thing to think about: Autistic women struggle way less than autistic men to get dates, relationships, sex.
This can have multiple reasons: Either looking female alone makes people forgive these women autistic behavior, or these women are actually not or way less autistic but diagnosed anyway due to societal bias. Both are possible, both are probably true. We know that even mentally disabled 2/10 girls can have body count of 200 easily.

Men are judged harder anyway for their behavior and looks, so having autism + being male + being below average male = death sentence. For a woman, having autism may actually increase her SMV due to juggernaut law. Few months ago there was an online trend "get yourself an autistic gf" - because there is a belief that autistic women are purer, more loyal etc.

Neurotypical Peers are Less Willing to Interact with Those with Autism based on Thin Slice Judgments - PubMed

Individuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), including those who otherwise require less support, face severe difficulties in everyday social interactions. Research in this area has primarily focused on identifying the cognitive and neurological differences that contribute to these social...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Why do foids love larping autism so much?

It genuinely infuriates me because they are the exact same people to bully the fuck out of actually autistic niggas and call them weird, and they managed to turn it into a quirky hot girl aesthetic.

incels.is

Great reads

 

[RevIncel]

If Henry Calvin was severely autistic and lived on a marginalized town, he might not even be an actor to begin with, and he would be more of a sitting duck tbf because without infrastructure autistic people cannot develop their fixated skills properly. That said, I think his looks would be good enough to pull an arranged marriage or so, and the foid would be ok to settle down with a retard because the sex is good and the children have good genetics. He would also have weird body language and constant tics, while being barely able to communicate; this combo could force the women that want to have sex with him to rape him, because they don't know how to break ice with somebody like that.

So yeah, not precisely a virgin, because not even autism can bring down looks THAT GOOD, but it would still be really disadvantageous: he went from being a global Sex Symbol that fucks every woman he wants and has 1%er economics to a rape victim. Crazy, but another example of how autism finds ways to make your sex life worse.

 

[killedmycel]

If a normie just not even having a solid Instagram page is already enough to make it over for him, that should tell you enough about how ND = Over no matter what.

 

[Grodd]

It's a major disadvantage

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

It's a major disadvantage

 

[yeetbender_]

It's an amplifier for whatever disadvantage you might already have depending on how far you are from being a chad or higher.

 

[Sir Silentium]

Thanks for the thread, I was just about to make one similar. Perfect title too.


I was recently cucked by a slightly above average looking dude facially, 6ft. This female was all over him as if he was a chad, but had a super good "personality" by modern means - which carried him - as his looks were also pretty good.

Also keep in mind that this was a church girl, and she would lower her standards physically speaking.


The grief from this occurrence made me delve into studies and articles regarding neurodivergence, such as it's impact on friendships, relationships, attractiveness, etc.

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But before I go into that, I want to make a few things clear (from what I have noticed):

1. Neurotypicality ≠ Personality
Neurotypicality is more of an objective measurement, whilst personality is more subjective.

A good way to put this is measuring across groups for example:
Japan good personality = introverted, whilst United States good personality = extroverted.
But then if we take a look at NT, that is generally extroverted anywhere, as we are naturally extroverted beings.

So someone can still be 100% NT, but still have a "bad" personality - especially depending on which group they are in.


So I believe that Neurotypicality/Personality (however you want to look at it) matters, but only after you already have the looks (and it is just an added bonus that still can carry you heaps).

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Now moving into the topic:

How disadvantages do I think ND is? Well it depends for each group of people. In western society it is a major set back, and if you are even slightly below average facially but super ND, you may as well be subhuman in a hypergamic society. I can speak from experience.

I feel like this is one of those topics where you kind of have to speak from experience about - there is only so much you can take from articles online that all contradict each other anyways.

But there comes a point, to where you are extremely ND and you actually get treated better than usual - as a form of pity.

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Now this is my experience with ND - keeping it very brief:

I am not very unattractive, maybe 4/10 facially, 5'10, olive skinned ethnicity brings me down in Australia - but not terrible physically right.
I have never been able to make any true friends in real life, never been able to even get a female my age to look at me in the eye when I am speaking to them, and have never always been treated as an outsider since I was 3 years old in preschool.

I don't blame this on my looks, I blame with on my Neurodiversity. And why you may ask? Because I see everyone else who is way worse looking than me, doing better in all the aspects I mentioned above. This is without cherry picking.

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But this makes sense of course, as people react negatively to ND factors such as:
- awkward timing
- low reciprocity
- unusual affect
- anxious/non-natural body language
- difficulty fitting group norms

And they do this instinctively, without realising it.


I also want to mentioned the Halo effect that people get from being attractive, to coming off more neurotypical. And an unattractive person coming off more neurodivergent.

But then again, whilst the Halo effect plays a part, this can still be true. As good looking individuals upbringings make them more likely to have been treated better - (where that environment + genetic combination comes into play) - and they develop more "neurotypical" than others.

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And why do I say personality/NT matters - whilst still being blackpilled?

Because I don't believe that you can change your personality (to an extent).

After further research, there seems to be an 80/20, genetics to environment split in regards to Neurodiversity and Personality.

Genetics provide the blueprint for potential, but the environment is the final dictator. This is the same both physically/looks, and mentally/neurotypicality.


And the 'environment' sectioned listened above is whilst your brain is still developing, especially during puberty.
So trying to change your personality after puberty has finished can be almost impossible - but at the end of the day it is all about genetic potential.

But remember, personality only matters if you have the looks to come with it.
And I have a bias as my interactions have been in Christian groups which differ from the rest of modern society.

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Also note: I am still learning about this so take everything I just mentioned with a grain of salt.

Second note: I realise I have differentiated from your topic slightly, but still I felt the need to mention this, and it can be applied into your context.

Third note: My paragraph structuring was poor and might have been hard to follow - tell me if it is hard to follow so I can improve on it.

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@GeckoBus I would love to hear your take on this

@InvoluntaryChigga

 

[Halfpassedover]

Normies love torturing and disrespecting neurodivergent people. It's like a sick thrill they get. My looks have always made socializing harder but autism basically sealed my fate from birth. Can't even be a lucky exception because of it. These whores don't fuck with imperfection AT ALL(unless there are certain conditions).

 

[Pikacel]

Tbh it doesn’t matter

 

[Pikacel]

If your parents try to socialise you then ur good otherwise joever

 

[cirno369]

If you are ugly all it does is act as another debuff. Anything else small hiccups in road but you will be fine
I remember an ND guy who women considered as cute, but because of him being ND he was kind of teased a lot, like he were a dog people liked. There was a girl always there to defend him and always wanted him though, but he didn't care about women

 

[nihilum]

its over for non-Chad autists.

 

[She Does Not Exist]

Very, but depends on the honesty level of the autist in question.

In my case a death sentence because everytime a girl would talk to me I would say the dumbest shit to her, talking straight up bullying, now if you for some miracle a 'well behaved' ND who know what NOT to talk then is not that bad, she will smell your awkwardness but she will see it is a pro if you 6~7/10.

As for Chad, does not matter unless he is so retarded to the point of punching the bitch, think L2~3 autism here, but these are usually hidden from society, so a L1 Chad would still prosper, actually she would prefer a L1 Chad over a NT Chad because he would be easily manipulated, again L1 ND's are super honest (biggest downside of being ND) and romantic, an ND Chad is just a simp under the hood.

I know a L2~3 Chad, 7'1, guy is a literal powerhouse, but he is as you expected, dangerous, so he is not allowed to leave his house because he would fold a woman in half in a fit of rage so he is under constant care, imagine being attractive and tall but being born with a brain so fucked you can't leave your house.

TL,DR; Anything past L1 only Chads have higher a chance of dating

 

[villagecel07]

bad if youre sub5, managable if youre chad

 

[Chud Norris72]

I know a 9/10, 5'7 guy who's autistic but he gets no pussy, will probably change in the future

 

[Spice]

You may as well say looks don’t matter at all and personality is everything

and join the rest of the rabble on Inceltears. Idk why some of you autists are so insistent that it’s a death sentence even when you have good looks. Are you really telling me the guy I quoted is an incel in any way? Jesus….

I want them to actually give examples of the so called ugly NT guys doing good because i've seen the quite the opposite in fact

But they have no way of proving it kek, besides anectodal experiences

Either way a lot of them are hypochondriacs or attention seekers so just ignore it, there are legit ones here however that do have issues like these but its secondary factors possibly due to looks themselves and having bad looks on its own can create these secondary issues, in my experience at least

I give u a good example, lets just say everyone woke up and all of a sudden they are autistic, things such as attraction to good looks and tall height would not change, maybe the world would be more easier to navigate in for these folks i'd imagine but these primary things would not change