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Discussion Honestly now, any (actual) left-winger incels here?

Are you a leftist?


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Right-wing propaganda makes it seem that way. It makes sense if you actively look for stuff that argues against your views instead of putting yourself in an echo chamber. It took me several changes in thought process until I came to the conclusion that it's not.
Read the @Dr. Autismo media, all the truth is in that images.
 
more left wing than most here but i wouldn't necessarily call myself left wing.
 
I get being economically left but how can you support woke, SJW-tier stuff
I dont. I'm just joking. But I do support civilisation collapse and thus have been accused by some confused souls of being a libfag.
 
I'll problably be making more left-wing posts on the politics and philosophy section after this thread. There's way too much far-right content and not enough pushback.
Do it
 
Right-wing propaganda makes it seem that way. It makes sense if you actively look for stuff that argues against your views instead of putting yourself in an echo chamber. It took me several changes in thought process until I came to the conclusion that it's not.
It is impossible to be left-wing in social issues and be a incel. Feminism and gender equality are literally the core of all leftist ideas and views on society. And if foids have freedom of choice, then you will be a incel, since biologically they are attracted to only 20% of the top males.
 
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It is impossible to be left-wing in social issues and be a incel. Feminism and gender equality are literally the core of all leftist ideas and views on society. And if foids have freedom of choice, then you will be a target, since biologically they are attracted to only 20% of the top males.
What makes you think I'm not for gender equality? Not necessarily because it aids women, but because it makes life easier for men. If the genders were equals, I wouldn't have to hold up to a standard of masculinity and compete with other men (Because that's what men do, compete. It always was). Problem with feminists of today is that they don't even know what they want anymore. They regularly spew out misandrist garbage and virtue signal, then insult autistic people and participate in benevolent racism all while fetishizing rape.

Well, about being a target. We've always been targets. Men are always targets for everything.
 
Right-wing propaganda makes it seem that way. It makes sense if you actively look for stuff that argues against your views instead of putting yourself in an echo chamber. It took me several changes in thought process until I came to the conclusion that it's not.
Therefore, if you are a leftist not in matters of economics, but in matters of building society, then you are literally shooting yourself in the foot.
 
What makes you think I'm not for gender equality? Not necessarily because it aids women, but because it makes life easier for men. If the genders were equals, I wouldn't have to hold up to a standard of masculinity and compete with other men (Because that's what men do, compete. It always was). Problem with feminists of today is that they don't even know what they want anymore. They regularly spew out misandrist garbage and virtue signal, then insult autistic people and participate in benevolent racism all while fetishizing rape.
Nonsense, the demands on men, as they were, will remain. Ukraine and Russia have gender equality, and when mobilization began in both countries, only men were forcibly conscripted for fear of criminal punishment for evasion. Although women and men are equal at the legislative level.
 
Nonsense, the demands on men, as they were, will remain. Ukraine and Russia have gender equality, and when mobilization began in both countries, only men were forcibly conscripted for fear of criminal punishment for evasion. Although women and men are equal at the legislative level.
The gender equality in Russia and Ukraine is akin to the gender equality in my country, which I believe is not gender equality at all. You're misunderstanding what gender equality actually is. Actual gender equality has never even been achieved yet. As long as capitalism exists--there is no gender equality--and Russia is a capitalist country.
 
The gender equality in Russia and Ukraine is akin to the gender equality in my country, which I believe is not gender equality at all. You're misunderstanding what gender equality actually is. Actual gender equality has never even been achieved yet. As long as capitalism exists--there is no gender equality--and Russia is a capitalist country.
This is nonsense. In your understanding, gender equality is like communism, which the party promised to build in the USSR every 10 years. It's literally something ephemeral and infinitely far away, which can cover up anything. Khrushchev promised to build communism by 1980, and Brezhnev promised to build communism by 2000, as a result, the USSR sank into oblivion and disappeared like state, and instead of communism, the most brutal Victorian style took its place.
 
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This is nonsense. In your understanding, gender equality is like communism, which the party promised to build in the USSR every 10 years. It's literally something ephemeral and infinitely far away, which can cover up anything. Khrushchev promised to build communism in 1980, and Brezhnev promised to build communism by 2000, as a result, the USSR sank into oblivion and disappeared like education, and instead of communism, the most brutal Victorian style took its place.
I mean, I don't know much about that itself? But I'd assume that from the cold war the Soviet Party became too aligned with nationalism (under Stalin rule) and eventually couldn't keep up with the influential power of capitalism and basically gave in to external agents. Again, I'm not an active communist and I don't know much about communist theory, but I have seen enough evidence about the faults of corruption/lobbyism/corporate interests and class collaborationism to know that socialism is the way.

Capitalists always try to discredit communism but I don't see them dealing with the problems capitalism has because they can't. And they want to keep it that way so the best way they can do it is by advocating for liberal (and in extreme circumstances, reactionary) politics all while blaming socialism for all the evils and shit in the world.

Just the other day some guy was shit talking unions when they were literally responsible for the fucking worker rights and benefits in my country.
 
The gender equality in Russia and Ukraine is akin to the gender equality in my country, which I believe is not gender equality at all. You're misunderstanding what gender equality actually is. Actual gender equality has never even been achieved yet. As long as capitalism exists--there is no gender equality--and Russia is a capitalist country.
Communism/leftist views on society building and communism/leftism are two different things in practice. Communists and leftists have always given preference to women and always will, because by controlling women, you can control the entire society, since women, having power over their sons, can brainwash them with their political views, as well as influence their husbands to also act as a propaganda relay towards them. When the USSR occupied the countries of Eastern Europe and received local resistance, it gave privileges to women and used them as much as possible as a loyal element for local Eastern European communist political parties.
 
Communism/leftist views on society building and communism/leftism are two different things in practice. Communists and leftists have always given preference to women and always will, because by controlling women, you can control the entire society, since women, having power over their sons, can brainwash them with their political views, as well as influence their husbands to also act as a propaganda relay towards them. When the USSR occupied the countries of Eastern Europe and received local resistance, it gave privileges to women and used them as much as possible as a loyal element for local Eastern European communist political parties.
Again, that's one of the problems I have with the left in general. But that privilege for women can be seen in both leftist and right-wing. The difference is that a core tenent for right-wing societies is to set low standards for women and give them the status of being a prize or a trophy for the powerful men. Or breeding tools or whatever, but in the most right-wing society the greatest/richest/most successful man in war would be the one to have the most children.

It is logical that the opposite can be seen on left-wing societies. But like I said, we haven't had that yet. The world hasn't progressed much and we're only just starting to see the gears work to pave the way for that.
 
I mean, I don't know much about that itself? But I'd assume that from the cold war the Soviet Party became too aligned with nationalism (under Stalin rule) and eventually couldn't keep up with the influential power of capitalism and basically gave in to external agents. Again, I'm not an active communist and I don't know much about communist theory, but I have seen enough evidence about the faults of corruption/lobbyism/corporate interests and class collaborationism to know that socialism is the way.

Capitalists always try to discredit communism but I don't see them dealing with the problems capitalism has because they can't. And they want to keep it that way so the best way they can do it is by advocating for liberal (and in extreme circumstances, reactionary) politics all while blaming socialism for all the evils and shit in the world.

Just the other day some guy was shit talking unions when they were literally responsible for the fucking worker rights and benefits in my country.
I am against feminism, multiculturalism and migration, LGBT people and other things from Marxism. But I have nothing against helping the poor or trade unions that protect workers. Think about it yourself, where would you like to be born in 1950 and live most of the Cold War era in social democratic and capitalist Sweden or Norway or in the Bolshevik communist USSR? Or where would you rather be born and live in West Germany or East Germany? Here's a simple experiment.
 
I am against feminism, multiculturalism and migration, LGBT people and other things from Marxism. But I have nothing against helping the poor or trade unions that protect workers. Think about it yourself, where would you like to be born and live in 1950 and live most of the Cold War era in social democratic Sweden or Norway or in the Bolshevik communist USSR? Or where would you rather be born and live in West Germany or East Germany? Here's a simple experiment.
Your way of helping the poor is class collaborationism, which all in all, just sucks and doesn't align AT ALL with what I want. Of course I'd rather be born and live in West Germany or East Germany (Though I know that before WW2 it really sucked to be poor and live in Germany). But still, that's because revolutions are drastic and require you to build the country back all the way up, all while ideologically clashing with the rest of the world.
 
Your way of helping the poor is class collaborationism, which all in all, just sucks and doesn't align AT ALL with what I want. Of course I'd rather be born and live in West Germany or East Germany (Though I know that before WW2 it really sucked to be poor and live in Germany). But still, that's because revolutions are drastic and require you to build the country back all the way up, all while ideologically clashing with the rest of the world.
Exactly. I can list many people who fled from the socialist camp to the West, but I do not know of any who would have fled from the USA or Western Europe to the USSR. Not even ordinary people fled the USSR, but military pilots, read the story of Viktor Belenko, who hijacked the latest Soviet military fighter jet in order to escape to Japan and from there ask for political asylum in the United States. He was a military pilot, an officer with the rank of senior lieutenant ( the equivalent is a first lieutenant in the US Army). Could an American officer hijack the newest US aircraft during the Cold War and fly it to the USSR? I don't think so.
 
And I don't mean nazbol or some other nationalist shit. I mean like actually leftist (socialist, anarchist). I feel like to be a progressive/leftist you don't have to be woke, but you also have to value equality and equity amongst human in general. I don't agree with right-wing concepts because I don't believe in hierarchy and I believe all hierarchies should be deconstructed.

It's also why I personally believe the modern left is a joke. There's no unity and their goals aren't clear at all and the focus has shifted more to virtue signaling than actually doing good for the world. I don't know what I expected, and honestly it feels like it only contributes to the growth of the right than fighting it.

Just wanting to know if there are any actual leftists here. Feeling a bit isolated because everyone is either centrist, apolitical, conservative or white nationalist.
Hierarchy is an immanent part of nature. The universe does not owe you fairness. It is obvious that people differ on the basis of IQ, physique etc. And then there is race and gender. It is obvious that foids and men are NOT equal; we are fundamentally different, that is why female liberation was a disaster and also why inceldom is a thing whereas femceldom is a joke.

As for me personally, I do not care about any particular ideology. If anything, you can consider me closest to illegalism. I'm heavily influenced by Max Stirner.
 
What makes you think I'm not for gender equality? Not necessarily because it aids women, but because it makes life easier for men. If the genders were equals, I wouldn't have to hold up to a standard of masculinity and compete with other men (Because that's what men do, compete. It always was). Problem with feminists of today is that they don't even know what they want anymore. They regularly spew out misandrist garbage and virtue signal, then insult autistic people and participate in benevolent racism all while fetishizing rape.

Well, about being a target. We've always been targets. Men are always targets for everything.
Fuck that woke shit
 
Not woke, also if anything is anti-white knights/simps
If you were really anti white knights you wouldn't support left shit that is making things much harder for men in the west, you would support ideas like mines.
 
If you were really anti white knights you wouldn't support left shit that is making things much harder for men in the west, you would support ideas like mines.
Well that's simply not true and I already have argued enough here to prove that I have my reasons not to
 
Not woke, also if anything is anti-white knights/simps
Ancient gender social system was perfect for us, divorce and cheating on was illegal, foids depended of men economicly so a lot of low SMV men still got married. The foid made the house tasks while men only had to worry about working.
It was just ideal, now with the sexual revolution of 1968, that has had consequences like acceptation of promiscuity, changes of how society see the concept of gender, foids working etc. Now that foids work and earn their own money (young foids already earn more money than young men) it's completely over for western man, foids now have an absolute control of sexual market and everything in general.
And of course woke left goverments make tons of laws that discriminate men.
And don't forget about LGBTroon shit, that is basically another part of feminism movement.
 
And of course woke left goverments make tons of laws that discriminate men.
You mean liberal governments

Also leftism is not anti-incel

And once again I am in support to end male hierarchy
 
You mean liberal governments

Also leftism is not anti-incel

And once again I am in support to end male hierarchy
All the goverments in the west are liberal in economy and marxist in social values.
 
Ancient gender social system was perfect for us, divorce and cheating on was illegal, foids depended of men economicly so a lot of low SMV men still got married. The foid made the house tasks while men only had to worry about working.
It was just ideal, now with the sexual revolution of 1968, that has had consequences like acceptation of promiscuity, changes of how society see the concept of gender, foids working etc. Now that foids work and earn their own money (young foids already earn more money than young men) it's completely over for western man, foids now have an absolute control of sexual market and everything in general.
And of course woke left goverments make tons of laws that discriminate men.
And don't forget about LGBTroon shit, that is basically another part of feminism movement.
This is part of the reason why young men are struggling so much, now We are supposed to compete with foids despite they have everything in their favour.
That's why men struggle to find a job or leaving their parents house.
Ending of traditional gender roles has been a disaster for the west.
 
You mean liberal governments

Also leftism is not anti-incel

And once again I am in support to end male hierarchy
I'm also against liberal economy if I didn't said it.
 
You mean liberal governments

Also leftism is not anti-incel

And once again I am in support to end male hierarchy
People don't get that gender equality doesn't exists, if you benefit foids, it inherently makes the things more difficult for men. If anyone wins, other loses.
 
This is part of the reason why young men are struggling so much, now We are supposed to compete with foids despite they have everything in their favour.
That's why men struggle to find a job or leaving their parents house.
Ending of traditional gender roles has been a disaster for the west.
Competing with foid is bad, yes. Ideal would be if no one had to compete.
 
Yes. Sometimes I wish this forum would allow for both sides, but that the main conversations still try to stay centrist. Sometimes I just hate foids and society, I don't want to spend all the rest of the day hating on Jews and blacks.
 
I feel like to be a progressive/leftist you don't have to be woke, but you also have to value equality and equity amongst human in general.
That has brought us so far, hasn't it? Everything's wonderful under neoliberalism.
 
Yes. Sometimes I wish this forum would allow for both sides, but that the main conversations still try to stay centrist. Sometimes I just hate foids and society, I don't want to spend all the rest of the day hating on Jews and blacks.
I don't know if the forum is too far gone for that or anything but I'll make posts expressing my leftist views from now on since so many people express their far-right ones.

You should do that too ig. Just be a bit careful what u say
 
What makes you think I'm not for gender equality? Not necessarily because it aids women, but because it makes life easier for men.
Yeah, okay, this user is retarded.
 
Instead of insulting me you could try getting your point across. Calling me retarded does not help your case
First of all, you're retarded.
Secondly, consider society before and after the Sexual Revolution, and what "gender equality" has brought us. Before then, incels like ourselves had to be exceptionally deformed like the Elephant Man to not find a partner or wife. Women were unable to select and we held the upper hand economically and culturally.
Compare to what we have now - the Internet made women worldwide have their standards explode far beyond what sometimes can even be reasonable in addition to affirmative action in workplaces keeping men out of jobs and having the wage gap not close, but exceed that of men in certain cases and aspects. More young men are unemployed than young women because of this bias.
Similarly, the societal decay and cultural rot we have is ANOTHER result of gender equality and the Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s. Traditional family structures were viewed as evil because some tribal niggers in Polynesia were fine with their women riding the cock carousel until they settled down.
Lastly, you're retarded.
 
First of all, you're retarded.
Secondly, consider society before and after the Sexual Revolution, and what "gender equality" has brought us. Before then, incels like ourselves had to be exceptionally deformed like the Elephant Man to not find a partner or wife. Women were unable to select and we held the upper hand economically and culturally.
Compare to what we have now - the Internet made women worldwide have their standards explode far beyond what sometimes can even be reasonable in addition to affirmative action in workplaces keeping men out of jobs and having the wage gap not close, but exceed that of men in certain cases and aspects. More young men are unemployed than young women because of this bias.
Similarly, the societal decay and cultural rot we have is ANOTHER result of gender equality and the Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s. Traditional family structures were viewed as evil because some tribal niggers in Polynesia were fine with their women riding the cock carousel until they settled down.
Lastly, you're retarded.
Gender equality is fine, women having it easier is not fine, trying to achieve true gender equality is fine, your stupid comment insulting a user interested in equalizing things is not fine.
 
@ToBurble&Pine @AutistSupremacist @UnchargedSamsung @Aku no Hana @BricABrac @92 drowsiness? voooooote saar
 
First of all, you're retarded.
Secondly, consider society before and after the Sexual Revolution, and what "gender equality" has brought us. Before then, incels like ourselves had to be exceptionally deformed like the Elephant Man to not find a partner or wife. Women were unable to select and we held the upper hand economically and culturally.
Compare to what we have now - the Internet made women worldwide have their standards explode far beyond what sometimes can even be reasonable in addition to affirmative action in workplaces keeping men out of jobs and having the wage gap not close, but exceed that of men in certain cases and aspects. More young men are unemployed than young women because of this bias.
Similarly, the societal decay and cultural rot we have is ANOTHER result of gender equality and the Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s. Traditional family structures were viewed as evil because some tribal niggers in Polynesia were fine with their women riding the cock carousel until they settled down.
Lastly, you're retarded.
Like I said, calling me retarded does not help your case. It makes you seem like you're triggered or offended. Isn't that just crazy?

And from the whole paragraph that doesn't seem like enough proof to invalidate my worldview. The first part you could argue the same for closed communities under a socialist/communal system (aka amish). Without capitalism and wars and hierarchies it becomes far easier for each man to have a mate. It's just basic logic.

The internet exploding women's standards to hell only signifies even more that capitalist society places male hierarchy very greatly, and that can be seen in the selectiveness of women for good genes, richer, stronger men. It always was like that, you just didn't see it like it is right now.

Gonna need some proof for the last part as well.
 
Gender equality is fine, women having it easier is not fine, trying to achieve true gender equality is fine, your stupid comment insulting a user interested in equalizing things is not fine.
I see no point in equalising anything when men are biologically superior to women. Equality doesn’t make sense when nature made us unequal.
 
First of all, you're retarded.
Secondly, consider society before and after the Sexual Revolution, and what "gender equality" has brought us. Before then, incels like ourselves had to be exceptionally deformed like the Elephant Man to not find a partner or wife. Women were unable to select and we held the upper hand economically and culturally.
Compare to what we have now - the Internet made women worldwide have their standards explode far beyond what sometimes can even be reasonable in addition to affirmative action in workplaces keeping men out of jobs and having the wage gap not close, but exceed that of men in certain cases and aspects. More young men are unemployed than young women because of this bias.
Similarly, the societal decay and cultural rot we have is ANOTHER result of gender equality and the Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s. Traditional family structures were viewed as evil because some tribal niggers in Polynesia were fine with their women riding the cock carousel until they settled down.
Lastly, you're retarded.
go easy on the kid
 
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon was racist, hated democracy, and hated niggers.
Attacking some ideological figurehead to attack me and my belief that hierarchy has no place in society anymore is arguing in bad faith.
 
Bro? Don't you see that what you're doing right now is akin to what redditors do?

"You're just a teen"

"I'm talking to a kid right now"

Ugh.
brutal ughpill
 
I see no point in equalising anything when men are biologically superior to women. Equality doesn’t make sense when nature made us unequal.
I quite literally don't care. Men are not born equal. Some men are weak, you got to accept that.

The weak men will always have their will overshadowed by the stronger under this society that you guys want.

I don't fucking want that mate.
 
I quite literally don't care. Men are not born equal. Some men are weak, you got to accept that.

The weak men will always have their will overshadowed by the stronger under this society that you guys want.

I don't fucking want that mate.
Not only stronger, but smarter. More charismatic. More imposing.
 

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