No idea tbh, maybe.
Well I think you can look muscular wihtout bloatmaxxing, but of course to get the best results it's better, a friend told me bodybuilders do it. Which I don't think is needed to look good btw, you probably just need a moderately muscular body.
for the average natty lifter there are 2 types of physiques, bloatmaxxxed or skinny DYEL twink. take a look at this guy, you wouldn't be able to tell that he's put in years and years of intelligent training and macro counting if you saw him outside in a shirt.
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Why? Getting muscular gives you maybe a +1 SMV, if you're lucky. Unless you really think you're borderline, don't bother lifting for aesthetics. Lift to get strong, improve your health, and make normies uneasy.
True, leanmaxxing is the way.
Yes but the dating market is not a bodybuilding competition, I believe it's one of the rare cases where mediocrity is actually the best.
The point of the thread was that there are various levels to how muscular one can look and after a certain point it starts affecting your looks negatively and can only be useful to gain status.
True, all chest exercises should be focused on developing solely an upper part.
True but my point is that most natural bodybuilders and even Alberto when he's at a higher bodyfat, look like average people in shirts.
