So I was just reviewing women's anatomy and examining their pseudo-testicles (bulb of vestibule) and their subterranean pseudo-penises (naturally bifurcated genitalia: the corpus cavernosum is the split shaft, the crus clitoris is the base of their dicks)
Basically, if you are ignoring the head/glans/tip of the clitoris (the part on the outside with foreskin/prepuce around it called the clitoral hood) the way women would derive sexual enjoyment from penetration is largely due to pressure put on the corpus cavernosum / crus clitoris on the left or right side. IE you are basically masturbating their internal dicks (which is cut in half) by jamming your dick through the middle of their dick.
The thing is though, that these parts aren't just resting alongside the vaginal walls. There's something in the way, so you can't touch them directly. That's where the women's internal ballsacks (the bulbs of vestibule) are located.
There is apparently a lot of "slack" normally, because women's balls are deflated. There's no water/blood inside them. It's like a big vacuum full of... I don't want to say AIR but... there's like lower pressure, slack skin, soft tissue, something along those lines.
I haven't studied this to know the technical name (assuming there is one) for connective tissue that lies between the vagina/bulb or which lies between the bulb/clit. Some kind of membrane I assume. Not sure the thickness of either of these intermediaries.
I can't seem to get a consistent idea of what kind of angle exists between the vagina (the neutral downward "6 o clock" position) and the line of the corpus cavernosum which terminates in the crus clitoris tips. I mean check out the difference between these illustrations (you were warned in title this was NSFW)
In the above (pink) version, they seem to go out at a 45 degree angle (say 7-8 o'clock on left, 4-5 o'clock on right) and rest atop the bulbs with no gap
while in the below (red) version, they seem to go out at a 90 degree angle (say 9 o'clock on left, 3 o'clock on right) and there is a huge gap between them and bulbs
I can't say I 100% understand which is the more accurate of the illustration. Maybe women come in both varieties, like there are some with greater crus/bulb gaps who are slower to feel pleasure from penetration, and those with negligible crus/bulb gap?
Another explanation might be that the pink (top) image is meant to reflect engorged/full bulbs (which fills in a gap) while the red (bottom) image is meant to reflect deflated/empty bulbs, which creates a gap between them and the crus/corpus
Now this brings me around to my thread topic. Basically to get a girl off without touching the tip, you need to be stroking the crus/corpus, but since you can't touch it directly, what actually happens is your dick is actually fucking her balls (the bulbs of vestibulae) and this creates outward pressure on them (which in and of themself are not particularly erogenous, as far as I know) but that pressure is what pushes on the crus/corpus (ie the shaft of her bifurcated internal cock).
Now the thing is: if her balls (bulbs) do not inflate, you can't do this. You would just be pushing deflated balloons against her dicks and that wouldn't transfer pressure to them, so she won't feel a thing.
This is where chad wins: the bulbs inflate because of AROUSAL. Even if you and Chad have the exact same dicks, the exact same thrusting technique, she will feel Chad's dick because he was good-looking and aroused her and caused her bulbs to inflate (they engorge with blood, they are erectile tissue similar to your dick, rather than your balls) and allow her to feel Chad's thrusts in the hidden recesses of her split clit branches.
Since women aren't aroused by ugly men, their bulbs stay flaccid, so while they'll feel the dicks in their vaginas, their deflated bulbs don't transfer the kinetic energy to their crus/corpus and thus they don't derived the enhanced enjoyment that comes from that. Purely vaginal stimulation might still feel good (like, I guess, having your back lightly petted, even if it's not forceful enough to massage your erector spinae) but it will never fulfill her like it would if her bulbs were engorged.
It's like if you had your hands covering your dick and someone just lightly rubbed the back of your hand, vs pressing down hard enough on your hands to actually transfer the force to your dick below.
I think this is why ugly men have to use the "stimulate the external clit" workaround. This is the only way to have them feel a sexual response, initially, by directly applying pressure to the exposed portion of the clit which isn't internal. IE just the tip, the glans, the (hopefully) smaller-than-yours mushroom thing which is similar except it doesn't have a pee-hole because their urethra is stashed underneath it.
I know a lot of guys here think clitoris stimulation (whether by finger or by tongue) is degenerate, and it's an understandable frustration: Chad doesn't have to bother with this at all. Chad can completely IGNORE the exposed clit, because women are pre-engorged for him, so he can go right to fucking them and giving them orgasms via the hidden 99% of their internal clit icebergs.
I think the good news is though: you don't need to rely on the internal clit to finish. The intent would just be as foreplay so that it creates engorgement in the bulbs, at which point their body is tricked into thinking that Chad is fucking them, so you can go about it normally.
The benefit there would be that it doesn't need mental arousal, it's like how even if you're not thinking about sex, simply clothing brushing your dick can get you hard. That's basically what you would be doing with a clit.
Since most women are not circumcised (they still have their clitoral hoods protecting the glans of their clitoris from undergarment abrasion) they should be sensitive to this type of thing, like an uncircumcised man would be. Probably to the point where you don't even need to peel back their hoods at all, just rub the skin of the hood against the clit.
Of course, all of this depends on actually having a woman let you touch her down there, which probably won't happen because she's not hard for you, so it's probably already OVER. But on the off chance you somehow get this far, I think degeneracy (giving stimulation to the external head of the clitoris) is probably warranted to try and make her enjoy sex.
To actually get that far though, less explicit foreplay might be useful. A woman might be open to getting a "free massage" from friendzoned orbiter who she wouldn't let GRAB HER BY THE PUSSY.
It's important to get permission for this of course! If we just grabbed women they'll flip out and we can't even start with a neck/upper back massage much less move onto lower back...
With that "in", if she is turned away from you (perhaps closing her eyes, like in the above imagination) she might be able to fantasize that they're Chad's hands and not your hands, and get horny enough from it that she's willing to use you like a vibrator, so long as she's sure she controls your humble self enough to not go bragging about it and lower her reputation and lose Chad's interest. Being able to ruin your life on a whim by making a false rape accusation might give her that confidence. It also might explain women slumming with looksmatches more often than we actually hear about, because the guys are so whipped/terrified of going to jail that they don't dare cross her by bragging to friends about it.
Another plus to this is that she should feel tighter, because the pressure of her inflated bulbs would resist your dick expanding inside her vagina. If a woman is not engorged for her, her vagina is going to be as wide as a hallway and isn't going to feel good at all unless you have a very girthy dick.
Engorged bulbs are basically what make the vagoo tighter for moderate-girth dicks.
Also an interesting theory here: we think that vaginas which get fucked a lot get stretched out and lose their baseline tightness. This is indeed 100% true. HOWEVER inflated bulbs could help compensate for that. Also: if girls are regularly getting horny, it makes me wonder if maybe the bulbs would gradually adapt to store more blood, allowing them to get tighter the hornier they are?
Apparently these bulbs stay filled with blood until they orgasm, but orgasm causes them to deflate. So if the intent is to keep them inflated and under pressure (so that they will get more vascular, able to store more blood) the intent should be to "edge" women (get them close to orgasm, but deny them orgasm) so as to keep their bulbs from deflating.
I'm wondering if maybe that works for guys too? We get boners all the time, yes, and that doesn't make our dicks grow. But I wouldn't say they're necessarily 100% boners. More like 95% boners, which is probably not enough to create growth via either cellular hypertrophy or cellular hyperplasia.
The most fulfilled boners are probably boners in the midst of sex. It's just natural to expect that. Furthermore, if it is sex with a tight vagina (whether that is inherent tightness because a woman is a virgin, or situational tightness because she is aroused and her VESTIBULBS are inflated) the penis isn't just pushing against itself, it's getting pushed back against by the tunnel, so that might create a situation for adaptive stress responses and possible dick growth.
IE: Chad's dick might actually get thicker the more tight vaginas he fucks, which he has access to either because virgins want him, or because women get horny for him and their engorged bulbs simulate virginal tightness. Even if Chad began with average penis thickness, he might end up with a thicker dick as a result of his habits. If his dick was actually girthier to begin with, he has even more of an advantage, because that creates even more push against him by the tight vaginas.
If my theory is correct, most Chads probably don't maximize the effect because they don't care about edging themselves and will just cum in a foid as quickly as possible. After all: she's not worth his time, he's just here to get off. If he were trying to edge himself, then that would create more time for the tissue under pressure, to possible create hypertrophy/hyperplasia. Also the more pressure created (to maximize the effect) the harder it would be to last, which is why it would have to be an intentional process and require lots of willpower to avoid nutting the more advanced you got.
This is all just speculative mind you, I haven't really looked into penis pumps and all that shit and made any anecdotal comparisons. Has anyone looked into that?
I don't know if masturbation could create the same effect. I don't think a hand could necessarily create the "100% surrounding pressure" effect that a vagina does. There's too many gaps, fingers aren't designed for the same coverage. Pumps or stuff like fleshlights/onaholes probably would do a better job.
Disclaimer for lurking faggots (I hope I grossed you out by all the female anatomy) this is also why a mouth/anus wouldn't have this effect, it's a single ring not a tunnel. It's inferior for creating surrounding pressure. If dicks could thicken from sustained pressure (kind of like how skin expands to contain the pressure of the growing adispose beneath it) then yours won't from engaging in degenerate sodomy. Only a vagina or pseudovagina will work.
Basically, if you are ignoring the head/glans/tip of the clitoris (the part on the outside with foreskin/prepuce around it called the clitoral hood) the way women would derive sexual enjoyment from penetration is largely due to pressure put on the corpus cavernosum / crus clitoris on the left or right side. IE you are basically masturbating their internal dicks (which is cut in half) by jamming your dick through the middle of their dick.
The thing is though, that these parts aren't just resting alongside the vaginal walls. There's something in the way, so you can't touch them directly. That's where the women's internal ballsacks (the bulbs of vestibule) are located.
There is apparently a lot of "slack" normally, because women's balls are deflated. There's no water/blood inside them. It's like a big vacuum full of... I don't want to say AIR but... there's like lower pressure, slack skin, soft tissue, something along those lines.
I haven't studied this to know the technical name (assuming there is one) for connective tissue that lies between the vagina/bulb or which lies between the bulb/clit. Some kind of membrane I assume. Not sure the thickness of either of these intermediaries.
I can't seem to get a consistent idea of what kind of angle exists between the vagina (the neutral downward "6 o clock" position) and the line of the corpus cavernosum which terminates in the crus clitoris tips. I mean check out the difference between these illustrations (you were warned in title this was NSFW)
In the above (pink) version, they seem to go out at a 45 degree angle (say 7-8 o'clock on left, 4-5 o'clock on right) and rest atop the bulbs with no gap
while in the below (red) version, they seem to go out at a 90 degree angle (say 9 o'clock on left, 3 o'clock on right) and there is a huge gap between them and bulbs
I can't say I 100% understand which is the more accurate of the illustration. Maybe women come in both varieties, like there are some with greater crus/bulb gaps who are slower to feel pleasure from penetration, and those with negligible crus/bulb gap?
Another explanation might be that the pink (top) image is meant to reflect engorged/full bulbs (which fills in a gap) while the red (bottom) image is meant to reflect deflated/empty bulbs, which creates a gap between them and the crus/corpus
Now this brings me around to my thread topic. Basically to get a girl off without touching the tip, you need to be stroking the crus/corpus, but since you can't touch it directly, what actually happens is your dick is actually fucking her balls (the bulbs of vestibulae) and this creates outward pressure on them (which in and of themself are not particularly erogenous, as far as I know) but that pressure is what pushes on the crus/corpus (ie the shaft of her bifurcated internal cock).
Now the thing is: if her balls (bulbs) do not inflate, you can't do this. You would just be pushing deflated balloons against her dicks and that wouldn't transfer pressure to them, so she won't feel a thing.
This is where chad wins: the bulbs inflate because of AROUSAL. Even if you and Chad have the exact same dicks, the exact same thrusting technique, she will feel Chad's dick because he was good-looking and aroused her and caused her bulbs to inflate (they engorge with blood, they are erectile tissue similar to your dick, rather than your balls) and allow her to feel Chad's thrusts in the hidden recesses of her split clit branches.
Since women aren't aroused by ugly men, their bulbs stay flaccid, so while they'll feel the dicks in their vaginas, their deflated bulbs don't transfer the kinetic energy to their crus/corpus and thus they don't derived the enhanced enjoyment that comes from that. Purely vaginal stimulation might still feel good (like, I guess, having your back lightly petted, even if it's not forceful enough to massage your erector spinae) but it will never fulfill her like it would if her bulbs were engorged.
It's like if you had your hands covering your dick and someone just lightly rubbed the back of your hand, vs pressing down hard enough on your hands to actually transfer the force to your dick below.
I think this is why ugly men have to use the "stimulate the external clit" workaround. This is the only way to have them feel a sexual response, initially, by directly applying pressure to the exposed portion of the clit which isn't internal. IE just the tip, the glans, the (hopefully) smaller-than-yours mushroom thing which is similar except it doesn't have a pee-hole because their urethra is stashed underneath it.
I know a lot of guys here think clitoris stimulation (whether by finger or by tongue) is degenerate, and it's an understandable frustration: Chad doesn't have to bother with this at all. Chad can completely IGNORE the exposed clit, because women are pre-engorged for him, so he can go right to fucking them and giving them orgasms via the hidden 99% of their internal clit icebergs.
I think the good news is though: you don't need to rely on the internal clit to finish. The intent would just be as foreplay so that it creates engorgement in the bulbs, at which point their body is tricked into thinking that Chad is fucking them, so you can go about it normally.
The benefit there would be that it doesn't need mental arousal, it's like how even if you're not thinking about sex, simply clothing brushing your dick can get you hard. That's basically what you would be doing with a clit.
Since most women are not circumcised (they still have their clitoral hoods protecting the glans of their clitoris from undergarment abrasion) they should be sensitive to this type of thing, like an uncircumcised man would be. Probably to the point where you don't even need to peel back their hoods at all, just rub the skin of the hood against the clit.
Of course, all of this depends on actually having a woman let you touch her down there, which probably won't happen because she's not hard for you, so it's probably already OVER. But on the off chance you somehow get this far, I think degeneracy (giving stimulation to the external head of the clitoris) is probably warranted to try and make her enjoy sex.
To actually get that far though, less explicit foreplay might be useful. A woman might be open to getting a "free massage" from friendzoned orbiter who she wouldn't let GRAB HER BY THE PUSSY.
It's important to get permission for this of course! If we just grabbed women they'll flip out and we can't even start with a neck/upper back massage much less move onto lower back...
With that "in", if she is turned away from you (perhaps closing her eyes, like in the above imagination) she might be able to fantasize that they're Chad's hands and not your hands, and get horny enough from it that she's willing to use you like a vibrator, so long as she's sure she controls your humble self enough to not go bragging about it and lower her reputation and lose Chad's interest. Being able to ruin your life on a whim by making a false rape accusation might give her that confidence. It also might explain women slumming with looksmatches more often than we actually hear about, because the guys are so whipped/terrified of going to jail that they don't dare cross her by bragging to friends about it.
Another plus to this is that she should feel tighter, because the pressure of her inflated bulbs would resist your dick expanding inside her vagina. If a woman is not engorged for her, her vagina is going to be as wide as a hallway and isn't going to feel good at all unless you have a very girthy dick.
Engorged bulbs are basically what make the vagoo tighter for moderate-girth dicks.
Also an interesting theory here: we think that vaginas which get fucked a lot get stretched out and lose their baseline tightness. This is indeed 100% true. HOWEVER inflated bulbs could help compensate for that. Also: if girls are regularly getting horny, it makes me wonder if maybe the bulbs would gradually adapt to store more blood, allowing them to get tighter the hornier they are?
Apparently these bulbs stay filled with blood until they orgasm, but orgasm causes them to deflate. So if the intent is to keep them inflated and under pressure (so that they will get more vascular, able to store more blood) the intent should be to "edge" women (get them close to orgasm, but deny them orgasm) so as to keep their bulbs from deflating.
I'm wondering if maybe that works for guys too? We get boners all the time, yes, and that doesn't make our dicks grow. But I wouldn't say they're necessarily 100% boners. More like 95% boners, which is probably not enough to create growth via either cellular hypertrophy or cellular hyperplasia.
The most fulfilled boners are probably boners in the midst of sex. It's just natural to expect that. Furthermore, if it is sex with a tight vagina (whether that is inherent tightness because a woman is a virgin, or situational tightness because she is aroused and her VESTIBULBS are inflated) the penis isn't just pushing against itself, it's getting pushed back against by the tunnel, so that might create a situation for adaptive stress responses and possible dick growth.
IE: Chad's dick might actually get thicker the more tight vaginas he fucks, which he has access to either because virgins want him, or because women get horny for him and their engorged bulbs simulate virginal tightness. Even if Chad began with average penis thickness, he might end up with a thicker dick as a result of his habits. If his dick was actually girthier to begin with, he has even more of an advantage, because that creates even more push against him by the tight vaginas.
If my theory is correct, most Chads probably don't maximize the effect because they don't care about edging themselves and will just cum in a foid as quickly as possible. After all: she's not worth his time, he's just here to get off. If he were trying to edge himself, then that would create more time for the tissue under pressure, to possible create hypertrophy/hyperplasia. Also the more pressure created (to maximize the effect) the harder it would be to last, which is why it would have to be an intentional process and require lots of willpower to avoid nutting the more advanced you got.
This is all just speculative mind you, I haven't really looked into penis pumps and all that shit and made any anecdotal comparisons. Has anyone looked into that?
I don't know if masturbation could create the same effect. I don't think a hand could necessarily create the "100% surrounding pressure" effect that a vagina does. There's too many gaps, fingers aren't designed for the same coverage. Pumps or stuff like fleshlights/onaholes probably would do a better job.
Disclaimer for lurking faggots (I hope I grossed you out by all the female anatomy) this is also why a mouth/anus wouldn't have this effect, it's a single ring not a tunnel. It's inferior for creating surrounding pressure. If dicks could thicken from sustained pressure (kind of like how skin expands to contain the pressure of the growing adispose beneath it) then yours won't from engaging in degenerate sodomy. Only a vagina or pseudovagina will work.
