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Serious Fence-Sitting is Irrational -- Men are now Hugely Disadvantaged and Comparisons to Female Issues are a Bad Joke

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What prompted this post is a video that Asmongold put out where he "reacts" to Chad's shortform Feminism critique. I'm not suggesting you watch this as frankly most of these people don't deserve our views or the income they receive, but here's the original video:
View: https://youtu.be/fQnYc90EisE?si=1QvDQWEvjT5KezdB


BBC graph on widening male female political divide:
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Some ways males are screwed:
1) Male University attendance is in the gutter (there are more pushes for women in Uni/more scholarships for women/men know that they actually have to work for a living whereas women know even if they don't work after college they have other paths open to them -- also grading is more lenient on women vs men for the same work: https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672)
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2) The courts are stacked against men with harsher punishments for the same crimes adjusted for prior criminal history per University of Michigan study: https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1164&context=law_econ_current
3) Divorce court stacked against men -- women are literally incentivized to divorce for the windfall JFL. I spoke with an older woman yesterday who divorced her husband than bought two beach houses with the money, I shit you not. And they almost always get the kids so that's a non-issue to them as well.
4) Men are dramatically disadvantaged when it comes to dating and sex vs women such that most young men are single and either get extremely rare sex or no sex at all whereas for women this is much less common and what's happening is a small cohort of men are effectively sharing most of the young women. Also older men with more resources are taking women from younger cohorts:
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5) General western societal inertia and standards restrain men's violence and male advantages but they do not restrain females at all anymore (hypergamy is completely unregulated now and monogamy is no longer enforced as a standard).
6) Women are given a genuine choice between a career and stay at home mom life, men have no such choice and are expected to work -- women especially demand this
7) Better welfare access for women and mothers (women are net tax recipients, men are net tax payers)
8) Societal bias against men in hiring (affirmative action)
9) Societal bias against men in terms of misogyny but misandry is tolerated or even actively encouraged by mainstream news networks, educational institutions, and social media and even governments/laws for things like "hate speech"

If men were smart they'd try to find some way to unify around common cause and enact meaningful political change. But of course the powers that be do basically every possible thing they can to avoid that. Frankly we need men and women to pair off roughly 1 to 1 with their net value match and start having/raising children again in a traditional nuclear family structure. But because that would entail restraining women's mate choice somewhat the sky is falling and men just have to "man up" in this environment that clearly does not care about them and just treats them like workhouse tax payer serfs who should keep their heads down and do as their told. Ask yourselves, why would any of us die or fight defend our own countries at this point? Their is no value add social contract anymore, women have extremely privileged in the western world and it's at men's expense make no mistake.

There are several key things to note from the video:
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The original video only has any traction because it's a Chad saying these things -- if you or I go on TikTok and made the exact same argument in precisely the same way it would get no traction and all of the comments would be calling us some variation of "evil incels" or other typical shaming/minimizing tactics. That's just the reality, to most people the validity of what is being said doesn't really matter, rather what matters is A) Who is saying it (are they attractive, do they have status, does their voice sound like a pipsqueak, are they correct race/sex to be "allowed" say or joke about what they are, etc) and B) Is what they're saying a threat to one's own advantages (e.g. why women immediately mass insult any project aimed at conveying male disadvantages).

2) Asmon is fence sitting in this video -- some of his points are good, but a lot of the video is him minimizing just how bad male issues really are right now. One thing he claims early on that genocide was always done by men, but this isn't true. Queens in Europe were actually more likely to initiate war by a wide margin than Kings. Also, no shit men would have to be the ones commonly engaged in warfare because men have always been the combatants and the ones dying on the front lines and protecting their society -- and feminists want to claim that's a bad thing? That that somehow paints men in a negative light? Are they fucking insane? Are they retards? This is a noble sacrifice men have made for the greater good.
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3) One of the reasonable things Asmon says is that if you want a term to be about gender equality than it shouldn't be a gendered term (e.g. Feminism vs Egalitarianism).

4) Asmon claims that men and women simply have different advantages in life -- this used to be true, sure, but now? All of men's advantages are suppressed by broad society -- what good is being physically stronger than women in a modern advanced wesetern economy? What are you going to do with that strength? Go die for the army for a country that hates you? Work some dogshit low paying job like construction? How exactly is this an "advantage" in modern western countries? Explain it to me feminists because you fucking can't. > "Oh but men can rape!" Yeah and then they'll go to jail, get fired, and have everyone in their life disown them while the woman who was the victim will be elevated and given positive status and sympathy from the event longform. It's actually because of the latter that false rape claims are so common -- after all no one can "disprove" them usually and women know this.

5) Asmon acknowledges that there are double standards such that it's far more accepted to say things like "I hate men" compared to "I hate women" (anyone that's spent time on mainstream social media platforms should be able to acknowledge this from simple basic observation). But after that he lectures men and claims it's men's fault that they're bombing in society. In "some" cases sure that's true -- some. But there is no way you look at these broad trends in the west and tell me that it's personal failure, no, this is systemic and driven by top down changes. That's the actual reality. But men who are successful obviously don't understand that.

6) > "They're not trying to win an argument, they're trying to suppress an argument"
This is true and based

7) It's completely ironic and hilarious when these extraordinarily fortunate people with extremely easy cushy lives who lucked out beyond belief with their successful streaming career want to lecture other people about how failing in life is actually your own fault and you'd be successful if only you weren't talking on twitter and instead focused on improving your life. Lol. Lmao even. OK Asmon, and how exactly am I supposed to do that? College again? Who the FUCK can afford that now in the states? Seriously who? I cannot go back unless they price slash dramatically and that's not gonna happen -- I can't lose out on income for two years while going into the debt hole at the same time, I will be homeless you fucking retard. We're not getting on grandparent's prices anymore for homes and uni, but I guess when you have millions of dollars these things just don't occur to you.

At my last job I was passed over for a promotion I'd been working towards for years by the new girl because management wanted to affirmative action hire women into leadership roles. I saw this happen with my own two eyes, the new CEO literally created brand new positions (these new roles don't do anything while the occupants rake in tons of money) for their nepo friends and then put a completely unqualified woman into the team lead role for no other reason other than she was a "woman in tech" and didn't quit like the others. Worst manager I've ever had, she did absolutely nothing at work -- if I did that I would've gotten fired. She was also having an affair with one of the higher ups -- but that must just be a coincidence huh? People act like that's a meme that doesn't' happen, but I have literally seen it happen.

Hard work and strategic planning can help you have a better life and some people did make bad choices that railroaded their life into failure -- but at the same time a massive amount of things are completely out of your hands. Tons of things. Honestly life just kinda happens to you to some degree and you do the best you can, that's the reality. What you are (and who you know) matters more than what you do.

Here are some of the notable/interesting comments from the video as it's not impossible that Youtube will shadowban these later:
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Will read & reply to later, I know this will be good, keeping this tab open.
 
Will read & reply to later, I know this will be good, keeping this tab open.
Thanks fren :feelsYall: Honestly it's probably a good thing more big influencers (that's basically what Asmon is) are talking about this kind of stuff at all for visiblity (and a lof of the video comments especially were blackpilled), but I get irritated by all the fence sitting and minimizing of male issues that goes on. ShortFatOtaku does the same thing a lot where really it just feels like they don't want backlash or criticism from the mainstream so they "try to see both sides" even when one side is clearly way way worse than the other. Some issues are complicated and I can understand a fence sitting take, but things have gotten so bad at this point in tangible ways we can easily prove that it's just mind boggling to deal with people claiming women in the western world are "put down by society" :feelsseriously: It's just tiresome and dishonest
 
Thanks for the great effort, man. Men are just fallible to that. There was a video titled 'The Incel Revolution' or something by whatifalthist 2-3 days ago. Men just lapped it up like it was honey. The video in actuality was a foid-apologist's propaganda. Still got taken down. Goes to show how fucking bad shit is. It's like Men don't wanna be helped. At least do it for your dignity.

The more I see men's behaviors the more I think most Men don't deserve their rights either.

Same with this video. 'BoTh ArE aT fault' or some just-world fallacy shit in the comments.
 
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did he get in on the ground floor of WoW as a streamer or something? I assume his WoW views are good ones?
WoW videos basically jump started his streaming career i don't watch him these days though
 
cool thread but yes, "fuck you, got mine" is part of how we got here, shit even dads are like this sometimes
 
Thanks fren :feelsYall: Honestly it's probably a good thing more big influencers (that's basically what Asmon is) are talking about this kind of stuff at all for visiblity (and a lof of the video comments especially were blackpilled),
I'd take a, maybe controversial, position. It is actually NOT good, and somehow will make things worse in the future. Remember men's rights talks, 'owning feminists with facts and logic' videos. Things have only gotten worse. Only when you go for the HEAD, people will take notice and be honest about their feelings.
 
I’ve actually read it all

Based post

Deserved to be stickied tbh
 
Thanks for the great effort, man. Men are just fallible to that. There was a video titled 'The Incel Revolution' or something by whatifalthist 2-3 days ago. Men just lapped it up like it was honey. The video in actuality was a foid-apologist's propaganda. Still got taken down. Goes to show how fucking bad shit is. It's like Men don't wanna be helped. At least do it for your dignity.
The more I see men's behaviors the more I think most Men don't deserve their rights either.

Same with this video. 'BoTh ArE aT fault' or some just-world fallacy shit in the comments.
Lmao they actually took it down? Top kek, this kind of thing is how you know the powers that be are genuinely worried about young men pushing back against their sick system. It’s either that or brainrotted reactionary feminists are literally in direct control of YouTube’s censors.

I saw it before it was removed and yeah, too much time was spent how you’re referring and in my view I don’t think he even should’ve bothered to spend the early portion arguing with future comments about how he’s “not an incel, really guys I’m not!” :feelsseriously:

I enjoy some of his content but all one should need to point out is that being an incel or not has no bearing on the validity of your arguments. I dunno maybe im being too harsh, it’s hard to put content into the world when you know in advance the exact kinds of bad faith arguments you’re 100% going to receive so I do sort of get it.

It’s a net positive that content like that is going out I think.
 
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cool thread but yes, "fuck you, got mine" is part of how we got here, shit even dads are like this sometimes
The older generations and the Chads are United with women give or take.

The older men do not understand experientially how things have gone downhill for young men and they mistake opting out of a raw deal in a system that provides no incentives to its young men for “muh laziness”
 
I’ve actually read it all

Based post

Deserved to be stickied tbh
Thanks man, I don’t mind if people skim, I get it — I’m not a great writer but I hope people get the gist. It’s nice to chat here since I know other guys truly understand the state we’re in. Suffering together in this hellscape.
 
Very High IQ, mods better pin this
 
Male University attendance is in the gutter (there are more pushes for women in Uni/more scholarships for women/men know that they actually have to work for a living whereas women know even if they don't work after college they have other paths open to them
Foids are lazy and stupid. Expect society to start breaking down in the near future due to having them running things they shouldn't after taking over top positions. I shouldn't even say "taking over" because it isn't much of a fight for them in order to get promoted.

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Male University attendance is in the gutter
also grading is more lenient on women vs men for the same work
This is brutal because of this point you make below here.
(there are more pushes for women in Uni/more scholarships for women/men know that they actually have to work for a living whereas women know even if they don't work after college they have other paths open to them
Men clearly need success at uni more, we need money for copes, or to have hope at attracting a mate whereas foids don't really need the success from uni, yet despite this its foids that have an easier time going through it is so unfair.
General western societal inertia and standards restrain men's violence and male advantages but they do not restrain females at all anymore
I guess a foids power is her sexuality a bit right?

I went out today, I would honestly say half of the foids i saw were wearing slutty yoga pants and it was not even hot weather.

To me it's honestly insane how its completely normal for them to go outside showing their bare asses basically painted like that, I like it on one hand but on the other it is disgusting, I want sex and sexual things to be between me and a loving partner, I don't want it outsourced to random women just flaunting it and teasing me with something I have never had.

We all like it as guys, but unless you are going out creepshotting, what guy leaves the house trying to see some ass? We go out for errands or to enjoy nature and our base carnal instincts are attacked, I would like to lead a life free of porn and sexuality but thats impossible when its everywhere, the only way to avoid it would to live in a cabin in the woods.
If men were smart they'd try to find some way to unify around common cause and enact meaningful political change.
Some men are, some arent. I think the issue is that at the end of the day we are at competition with each other.
Chads are the most influential men and they have no reason to want to change anything.
But of course the powers that be do basically every possible thing they can to avoid that.
Also this, its a tough fight and I dont even know how to fight it, I just LDAR and dont contribute to society in any way, I dont give foids validation online, its basically like I dont exist which is sad.
I cannot go back unless they price slash dramatically and that's not gonna happen
I can't lose out on income for two years while going into the debt hole at the same time, I will be homeless you fucking retard.
University has monopolised socialisation for people 18 to young 20's

It's done this way by design so older fags like you are less likely to go, university is the only answer to the questions posed in this must read thread here which I think you may have seen.

The whole education thing is just a feint for the real purpose people attend university, if all universities were online and completely isolated, university enrollments would drop from both genders, but more would be foids.
the new CEO literally created brand new positions (these new roles don't do anything while the occupants rake in tons of money) for their nepo friends and then put a completely unqualified woman into the team lead role for no other reason other than she was a "woman in tech" and didn't quit like the others. Worst manager I've ever had, she did absolutely nothing at work -- if I did that I would've gotten fired. She was also having an affair with one of the higher ups
This makes me sad, personally I wish I had some sort of decent paying job since I do nothing anyway but I dont even really know where to start as a shortcel tbh, and then you just have ungrateful foids like this that get to do nothing and have work affairs and stuff, life is really unfair
Maybe I missed his heyday but I'm not getting why he's so popular -- did he get in on the ground floor of WoW as a streamer or something? I assume his WoW views are good ones?
He is probably another case of just be first theory like moistcritikal and joe rogan.

WoW is a really old game from when the internet was not as popular so I imagine he just started being a streamer or something before anyone else did it, now to become a famous streamer as a guy like him that is not a chad, you have to do serious jestermaxxing like the currycel neon did.
 
cool thread but yes, "fuck you, got mine" is part of how we got here, shit even dads are like this sometimes
Older generations of men are true and utter failures. Now, these pathetic creatures have the gall to be entitled to young men's attention for their senile ramblings.
 
Older generations of men are true and utter failures
old boomERs figure since they met their wife of 40 years at the bar or some stupid shit, they figure we can do the same. They have no clue how much the world has changed (for the worst)
 
old boomERs figure since they met their wife of 40 years at the bar or some stupid shit, they figure we can do the same. They have no clue how much the world has changed (for the worst)
It's much worse than that. They hardly could be bothered to spend time with their kids. Didn't pass on any valuable knowledge. They were financially irresponsible and corrupt. They stole not only their son's, but even their grandson's generation's foids after getting divorce-graped. Utter sewer rats.
 
Lmao they actually took it down? Top kek, this kind of thing is how you know the powers that be are genuinely worried about young men pushing back against their sick system. It’s either that or brainrotted reactionary feminists are literally in direct control of YouTube’s censors.
I suggest that it's more because of advertisers, and those advertisers are going to be PC or yield to what is the most PC, as otherwise it will effect their sales. Market forces is what I mean. (Remember the ad-pocolypse?)

YouTube is a business, and unless they can make money from hosting the videos you make and upload, they are hosting them for no reason, and that costs them money.
 
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I only read what you said because i do not care about what some basement WoW dweller rich idiot like asmongold says.

Especially when like 90% of his money makers are basement dwellers too.

So he makes his living out of addicted gamers incels.

Its like an OF whores saying i stand with simps mental illnesses.

All what you said is real, but thats the consequences of a modern world where everyone wage slave to barely scrape by.


A woman has no incentive to settle for anyone anymore.

And since hypergamy is natural for a woman she will never settle for an average guy wether in looks or finances or anything. Because she is now also in the work force, she can join dating apps or any social app and see the myriad of options she has. She can travel, she can sleep with a man then claim rape, she can divorce easily, they can do whatever a man a can and better.

So unless you are really impressive, there is no need for your presence in her life.

Thats basically it, as simple as that.
You are not impressive enough to hold her down.

This is the modern world and boomers will never understand this.
 
Very nice and thorough thread. I expected as much just from the name, but still. Deserves to be said.

ngl I initially read the title as "face-sitting" instead of "fence-sitting" :feelskek:
Queens in Europe were actually more likely to initiate war by a wide margin than Kings.
very interesting
 
Foids are lazy and stupid. Expect society to start breaking down in the near future due to having them running things they shouldn't after taking over top positions. I shouldn't even say "taking over" because it isn't much of a fight for them in order to get promoted.

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That image is terrifying. There’s a reason crucial medical roles have strict standards and honesty we’ve definitely entered into an era where those are “relaxed” for individuals with “sympathetic backgrounds”. Don’t get me wrong there are, for example, black geniuses like Sowelle / Coleman Hughe’s but seeing as this girl flunked out so many times pretty apparent she’s not one of them. I wouldn’t want her anywhere near me if I needed medical attention.
 
I suggest that it's more because of advertisers, and those advertisers are going to be PC or yield to what is the most PC, as otherwise it will effect their sales. Market forces is what I mean. (Remember the ad-pocolypse?)

YouTube is a business, and unless they can make money from hosting the videos you make and upload, they are hosting them for no reason, and that costs them money.
Yeah that is true — still, it shows you where “the money” is politically.
 
This is brutal because of this point you make below here.

Men clearly need success at uni more, we need money for copes, or to have hope at attracting a mate whereas foids don't really need the success from uni, yet despite this its foids that have an easier time going through it is so unfair.

I guess a foids power is her sexuality a bit right?

I went out today, I would honestly say half of the foids i saw were wearing slutty yoga pants and it was not even hot weather.

To me it's honestly insane how its completely normal for them to go outside showing their bare asses basically painted like that, I like it on one hand but on the other it is disgusting, I want sex and sexual things to be between me and a loving partner, I don't want it outsourced to random women just flaunting it and teasing me with something I have never had.

We all like it as guys, but unless you are going out creepshotting, what guy leaves the house trying to see some ass? We go out for errands or to enjoy nature and our base carnal instincts are attacked, I would like to lead a life free of porn and sexuality but thats impossible when its everywhere, the only way to avoid it would to live in a cabin in the woods.

Some men are, some arent. I think the issue is that at the end of the day we are at competition with each other.
Chads are the most influential men and they have no reason to want to change anything.

Also this, its a tough fight and I dont even know how to fight it, I just LDAR and dont contribute to society in any way, I dont give foids validation online, its basically like I dont exist which is sad.


University has monopolised socialisation for people 18 to young 20's

It's done this way by design so older fags like you are less likely to go, university is the only answer to the questions posed in this must read thread here which I think you may have seen.

The whole education thing is just a feint for the real purpose people attend university, if all universities were online and completely isolated, university enrollments would drop from both genders, but more would be foids.

This makes me sad, personally I wish I had some sort of decent paying job since I do nothing anyway but I dont even really know where to start as a shortcel tbh, and then you just have ungrateful foids like this that get to do nothing and have work affairs and stuff, life is really unfair

He is probably another case of just be first theory like moistcritikal and joe rogan.

WoW is a really old game from when the internet was not as popular so I imagine he just started being a streamer or something before anyone else did it, now to become a famous streamer as a guy like him that is not a chad, you have to do serious jestermaxxing like the currycel neon did.
Good reply man. I don’t disagree with anything you laid out. Observantcel :feelsYall:
 
Girl should be graped and burned!
 
old boomERs figure since they met their wife of 40 years at the bar or some stupid shit, they figure we can do the same. They have no clue how much the world has changed (for the worst)
It's much worse than that. They hardly could be bothered to spend time with their kids. Didn't pass on any valuable knowledge. They were financially irresponsible and corrupt. They stole not only their son's, but even their grandson's generation's foids after getting divorce-graped. Utter sewer rats.
Based and based.

It’s also crazy how the concept of passing things on to your kids and trying to give them a better life than you had is alien to so many of these people.

It’s like they hate their own kids and think their children are just “too lazy” to deserve assistance — all the while forgetting all the help they had growing up and never acknowledging just how good the economy was for them compared to now.

My parents are going to burn every dollar they have before croaking and my mom won’t even do do index funds or high yields savings accounts so she just bleeds money year over year like a total retard. Have fun on your cruises I guess while your son will never own a home…

Though the cruise thing moreso applies to my grandparents. My dad has had like 5 wives who just use him as a greencard for them and their kids each time and my mom has no money (despite getting massive windfalls more than once for … doing literally nothing kek) because she’s genuinely retarded.
 
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I only read what you said because i do not care about what some basement WoW dweller rich idiot like asmongold says.

Especially when like 90% of his money makers are basement dwellers too.

So he makes his living out of addicted gamers incels.

Its like an OF whores saying i stand with simps mental illnesses.

All what you said is real, but thats the consequences of a modern world where everyone wage slave to barely scrape by.


A woman has no incentive to settle for anyone anymore.

And since hypergamy is natural for a woman she will never settle for an average guy wether in looks or finances or anything. Because she is now also in the work force, she can join dating apps or any social app and see the myriad of options she has. She can travel, she can sleep with a man then claim rape, she can divorce easily, they can do whatever a man a can and better.

So unless you are really impressive, there is no need for your presence in her life.

Thats basically it, as simple as that.
You are not impressive enough to hold her down.

This is the modern world and boomers will never understand this.
Nailed it and well put — the top societal planners have really screwed things royally for everyone else
 
Very nice and thorough thread. I expected as much just from the name, but still. Deserves to be said.

ngl I initially read the title as "face-sitting" instead of "fence-sitting" :feelskek:

very interesting
Kek :feelskek:

And yeah, the queen thing is interesting and I wonder if it’s because women are more out of touch given it’s never going to be “them” who has to fight, it’s others and men. Women know this.

That’s just speculation but could also be a ton of other things, women have a different set of cognitive biases then men and it’s entirely possible they just shouldn’t be given political authority because they tend to warp all the systems selfishly to their own benefit and don’t give a damn about men for example (this is actually not true in reverse despite what feminists claim about history).
 
Asscuckold
(Asmongold)
 
Yes its true, fence-sitting is pointless. Women and feminists in general need to be called out for their sexism. Feminism did free women from their gender roles - if they don't want to be a stay at home mother then they don't have to be. However, as progressive as women and feminists think they are, they still expect men to fulfill all of our traditional gender roles. If that's not sexism on speed then I don't know what is.

Which is why no man should take feminism seriously. Its a lip service given to men. Nothing more. Just faux equality. Feminists love to call any man a sexist but women are even worse than men in this regard. How often do you hear a woman say "you're not a real man if you don't do X or Y."
 
And yeah, the queen thing is interesting and I wonder if it’s because women are more out of touch given it’s never going to be “them” who has to fight, it’s others and men. Women know this.

That’s just speculation but could also be a ton of other things, women have a different set of cognitive biases then men and it’s entirely possible they just shouldn’t be given political authority because they tend to warp all the systems selfishly to their own benefit and don’t give a damn about men for example (this is actually not true in reverse despite what feminists claim about history).
My gut feeling says these ain't it, but just like you, I really don't have much of a clue.
 
What prompted this post is a video that Asmongold put out where he "reacts" to Chad's shortform Feminism critique. I'm not suggesting you watch this as frankly most of these people don't deserve our views or the income they receive, but here's the original video:
View: https://youtu.be/fQnYc90EisE?si=1QvDQWEvjT5KezdB


BBC graph on widening male female political divide:
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Some ways males are screwed:
1) Male University attendance is in the gutter (there are more pushes for women in Uni/more scholarships for women/men know that they actually have to work for a living whereas women know even if they don't work after college they have other paths open to them -- also grading is more lenient on women vs men for the same work: https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672)
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2) The courts are stacked against men with harsher punishments for the same crimes adjusted for prior criminal history per University of Michigan study: https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1164&context=law_econ_current
3) Divorce court stacked against men -- women are literally incentivized to divorce for the windfall JFL. I spoke with an older woman yesterday who divorced her husband than bought two beach houses with the money, I shit you not. And they almost always get the kids so that's a non-issue to them as well.
4) Men are dramatically disadvantaged when it comes to dating and sex vs women such that most young men are single and either get extremely rare sex or no sex at all whereas for women this is much less common and what's happening is a small cohort of men are effectively sharing most of the young women. Also older men with more resources are taking women from younger cohorts:
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5) General western societal inertia and standards restrain men's violence and male advantages but they do not restrain females at all anymore (hypergamy is completely unregulated now and monogamy is no longer enforced as a standard).
6) Women are given a genuine choice between a career and stay at home mom life, men have no such choice and are expected to work -- women especially demand this
7) Better welfare access for women and mothers (women are net tax recipients, men are net tax payers)
8) Societal bias against men in hiring (affirmative action)
9) Societal bias against men in terms of misogyny but misandry is tolerated or even actively encouraged by mainstream news networks, educational institutions, and social media and even governments/laws for things like "hate speech"

If men were smart they'd try to find some way to unify around common cause and enact meaningful political change. But of course the powers that be do basically every possible thing they can to avoid that. Frankly we need men and women to pair off roughly 1 to 1 with their net value match and start having/raising children again in a traditional nuclear family structure. But because that would entail restraining women's mate choice somewhat the sky is falling and men just have to "man up" in this environment that clearly does not care about them and just treats them like workhouse tax payer serfs who should keep their heads down and do as their told. Ask yourselves, why would any of us die or fight defend our own countries at this point? Their is no value add social contract anymore, women have extremely privileged in the western world and it's at men's expense make no mistake.

There are several key things to note from the video:
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The original video only has any traction because it's a Chad saying these things -- if you or I go on TikTok and made the exact same argument in precisely the same way it would get no traction and all of the comments would be calling us some variation of "evil incels" or other typical shaming/minimizing tactics. That's just the reality, to most people the validity of what is being said doesn't really matter, rather what matters is A) Who is saying it (are they attractive, do they have status, does their voice sound like a pipsqueak, are they correct race/sex to be "allowed" say or joke about what they are, etc) and B) Is what they're saying a threat to one's own advantages (e.g. why women immediately mass insult any project aimed at conveying male disadvantages).

2) Asmon is fence sitting in this video -- some of his points are good, but a lot of the video is him minimizing just how bad male issues really are right now. One thing he claims early on that genocide was always done by men, but this isn't true. Queens in Europe were actually more likely to initiate war by a wide margin than Kings. Also, no shit men would have to be the ones commonly engaged in warfare because men have always been the combatants and the ones dying on the front lines and protecting their society -- and feminists want to claim that's a bad thing? That that somehow paints men in a negative light? Are they fucking insane? Are they retards? This is a noble sacrifice men have made for the greater good.
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3) One of the reasonable things Asmon says is that if you want a term to be about gender equality than it shouldn't be a gendered term (e.g. Feminism vs Egalitarianism).

4) Asmon claims that men and women simply have different advantages in life -- this used to be true, sure, but now? All of men's advantages are suppressed by broad society -- what good is being physically stronger than women in a modern advanced wesetern economy? What are you going to do with that strength? Go die for the army for a country that hates you? Work some dogshit low paying job like construction? How exactly is this an "advantage" in modern western countries? Explain it to me feminists because you fucking can't. > "Oh but men can rape!" Yeah and then they'll go to jail, get fired, and have everyone in their life disown them while the woman who was the victim will be elevated and given positive status and sympathy from the event longform. It's actually because of the latter that false rape claims are so common -- after all no one can "disprove" them usually and women know this.

5) Asmon acknowledges that there are double standards such that it's far more accepted to say things like "I hate men" compared to "I hate women" (anyone that's spent time on mainstream social media platforms should be able to acknowledge this from simple basic observation). But after that he lectures men and claims it's men's fault that they're bombing in society. In "some" cases sure that's true -- some. But there is no way you look at these broad trends in the west and tell me that it's personal failure, no, this is systemic and driven by top down changes. That's the actual reality. But men who are successful obviously don't understand that.

6) > "They're not trying to win an argument, they're trying to suppress an argument"
This is true and based

7) It's completely ironic and hilarious when these extraordinarily fortunate people with extremely easy cushy lives who lucked out beyond belief with their successful streaming career want to lecture other people about how failing in life is actually your own fault and you'd be successful if only you weren't talking on twitter and instead focused on improving your life. Lol. Lmao even. OK Asmon, and how exactly am I supposed to do that? College again? Who the FUCK can afford that now in the states? Seriously who? I cannot go back unless they price slash dramatically and that's not gonna happen -- I can't lose out on income for two years while going into the debt hole at the same time, I will be homeless you fucking retard. We're not getting on grandparent's prices anymore for homes and uni, but I guess when you have millions of dollars these things just don't occur to you.

At my last job I was passed over for a promotion I'd been working towards for years by the new girl because management wanted to affirmative action hire women into leadership roles. I saw this happen with my own two eyes, the new CEO literally created brand new positions (these new roles don't do anything while the occupants rake in tons of money) for their nepo friends and then put a completely unqualified woman into the team lead role for no other reason other than she was a "woman in tech" and didn't quit like the others. Worst manager I've ever had, she did absolutely nothing at work -- if I did that I would've gotten fired. She was also having an affair with one of the higher ups -- but that must just be a coincidence huh? People act like that's a meme that doesn't' happen, but I have literally seen it happen.

Hard work and strategic planning can help you have a better life and some people did make bad choices that railroaded their life into failure -- but at the same time a massive amount of things are completely out of your hands. Tons of things. Honestly life just kinda happens to you to some degree and you do the best you can, that's the reality. What you are (and who you know) matters more than what you do.

Here are some of the notable/interesting comments from the video as it's not impossible that Youtube will shadowban these later:
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Hit the nail on the head with every point, men are disadvantaged in literally every way but if you speak up about it then your life is over
 
High effort. Throughout my years in the incel communities, I've came to realize the problem isn't even our looks. The problem isn't even individual. The problem isn't even lack of gender equality.

Modern era, arguably, have more true gender equality than ever when it comes to the policy level. However, true gender equality does not work and will lead to women being advantaged due to different sex's biology makeup. Women will also be simped for, for example

Men rights activities want true gender equality, and perhaps, this is the result they want.

We do not want gender equality. We want the patriarchy.
 
And yeah, the queen thing is interesting and I wonder if it’s because women are more out of touch given it’s never going to be “them” who has to fight, it’s others and men. Women know this.
Who knows, maybe there was more reasonable cause for war during the time so the queens had to go to war, or maybe they just dont realise how bad war is and stuff.

I'm willing to bet its just foids being foids though.
 
Good Read , atleast we are aware that WE are litteral cannonfooder and dont have to contribute at all ( If you can neetbux ) or less hard

Life Is Luck and Rigged To some Degree.
 
High effort. Throughout my years in the incel communities, I've came to realize the problem isn't even our looks. The problem isn't even individual. The problem isn't even lack of gender equality.

Modern era, arguably, have more true gender equality than ever when it comes to the policy level. However, true gender equality does not work and will lead to women being advantaged due to different sex's biology makeup. Women will also be simped for, for example

Men rights activities want true gender equality, and perhaps, this is the result they want.

We do not want gender equality. We want the patriarchy.
The only reason foids can be smug about equality is because sexual dominance of foids is very vague unlike physical dominance of men. We have no 'objective' ways to measure it, or should I say political backing. I'd have no problem with true gender equality if men's physical advantage were in the equation. That's why we have gender divisions in sports. Nobody gives a fuck when countries with geographical disadvantages and lack of resource get exploited. Oh! It's just politics, bro. But the same normies would shake in horror if one suggested men could exploit foids out of their livelihood necessities.
 
Now this is honesty from OP. That man and women equally have problems is a middle ground fallacy. We don't hurt equally. The truth is women don't actually have problems, and are the source of mens'. Asmon puts blame on society instead of women, and it keeps his male audience from rebelling. Asmon probably isn't dishonest but just blue pilled. Fencesitters just want to be the inoffensive, tolerated, righteous moderate that ultimately upholds the status quo
 
Read every single word. High IQ and well written. Should be placed in must read and every human on the Earth should be forced to read this.
 
I must be very honest. I reply on the Title of OP post.

I think that we do not have to care so much anymore about those crazy feminists, feminazis and the WOKE mind virus

The right people with some common sense come together and the importance of being a good and strong man in family and in the world is a big topic in, at least in Amerika and the other Western people see what is happening. I give Jordan Peterson as an example who can explain it well imo.

I am curious if what I say is kind of appreciated or if it's completely off topic?
 
Yes its true, fence-sitting is pointless. Women and feminists in general need to be called out for their sexism. Feminism did free women from their gender roles - if they don't want to be a stay at home mother then they don't have to be. However, as progressive as women and feminists think they are, they still expect men to fulfill all of our traditional gender roles. If that's not sexism on speed then I don't know what is.

Which is why no man should take feminism seriously. Its a lip service given to men. Nothing more. Just faux equality. Feminists love to call any man a sexist but women are even worse than men in this regard. How often do you hear a woman say "you're not a real man if you don't do X or Y."
This is a great comment man, good points
> “If that's not sexism on speed then I don't know what is.”
Kek, this phrasing made me chuckle. Nice

What’s very tiresome to me is when these real life convos actually do happen, women always claim that “they’re not like that” and that “of course men should get to choose”.

But it’s yet another case of actions speaking louder than words. In their own private groups women say what they actually think and want (eg femaledatingstrategy/2xchrome, etc). Or you can legitimately just watch their behavior — in aggregate they aren’t accept men as partners who don’t fulfill these traditional roles (unless they are very attractive and even then it might simply be a short term fling, women do not like carrying men financially).

It’s sort of the same kind of misdirect when women claim erroneously things like “oh I wear makeup for myself” — no you don’t. You do it because you know you get more positive attention from men and you seek to attract high value ones. And that’s fine maybe but just admit it and stop lying about it.

Women lie all the time because they want to “appear” reasonable or “appear” a certain way in public for reputations sake. But the gulf between their stated motives and actual motives is often massive. It’s the gaslighting and hypocrisy that irritate me the most, it’s like nobody is honest about the things that actually matter to men and women and nobody in the mainstream is willing to even entertain policies that would actually restore some semblance of balance between the sexes. Maybe just maybe all of these policies from our ancestors weren’t intended to oppress women, they were necessary to level the playing field between men and women. Unregulated entirely the outcome is what we’re getting now where a few top men share all the young women.
 
I must be very honest. I reply on the Title of OP post.

I think that we do not have to care so much anymore about those crazy feminists, feminazis and the WOKE mind virus

The right people with some common sense come together and the importance of being a good and strong man in family and in the world is a big topic in, at least in Amerika and the other Western people see what is happening. I give Jordan Peterson as an example who can explain it well imo.

I am curious if what I say is kind of appreciated or if it's completely off topic?
I’m fine with it, Jordan Peterson is an oddball since he’s very articulate and correct about some things (for example his talks about the male dominance hierarchy and how women date across and down while men date across and up — though I’d argue that second point is an understatement in current year). He’s also absolutely right about the concept of “compelled speech” being evil (eg requiring people to affirm positions they don’t actually think are true is wrong).

Where Peterson loses me is 1) when he starts going on about some of his religious ideas (though I’d argue the religious traditionalists were in a lot ways right about gender roles/monogamy things like that) and 2) he is actually very hard on men and has stated publicly that it’s men who need to change themselves — which I actually do get to a degree, but it pissed me off that nobody ever seems to acknowledge that maybe women should change too. It’s apparently evil for men to have preferences for women like being a virgin but when women have preferences men should buck up and accommodate is sort of the mainstream take more or less. That doesn’t seem fair.

But yeah it’s crazy how the public just destroyed and dogpiled on JP like they did. Completely unfair, the things he said were fine for the most part. Normies are fucking insane psychopaths where they’re so used to our kind being forced into these niche pockets forced away from them by bans that when someone like JP points out holes in their worldview they lose their minds.
 
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It’s the gaslighting and hypocrisy that irritate me the most
I have never liked that it has always annoyed me, thats whats so great about this site.
 
A unified movement is already a massive milestone, as government intel agencies constantly monitor and collect personal data of internet users who they think are likely in attempting to create an organized movement that might threaten the status quo. The issues regarding the inequity of the sex market are symptoms of a much larger issue that has to do with wokeism, feminism, social welfare, inflation and debt, social media, birth control. The system is already broken, and too many males are pacified by virtual interactions with e-whores on OnlyFans and PornHub. I don’t see a peaceful outcome to the matter if the “sexlessness and marginalization issue” persists. More sexless and marginalized men only equals more potentially dangerous men on edge of going ER or rebelling against society

If the status quo eventually falls apart, it will probably happen within the next century. Just having a conservative opinion does not make a difference, cause western societies are already too woke. Plus social media, the welfare state and safe contraception methods don’t seem to be disappearing from society anytime soon. It will be up to future generations of young men, like Gen Beta, Gen Gamma to work something out for themselves. Zoomers are already doomed as things currently stand and the rate things are. Eventually there wont be room for “fence-sitting”. The time will come when the majority of men in western societies will have to pick a side, whether they like it or not --- Either the side that supports neoliberal feminism or the side that supports conservative, anti-abortionist, anti-divorce rape policies

The damage is already done, and it’s a shame that Boomers and Gen X probably wont live to see the catastrophic outcome of what they have created. Perhaps zoomers normies will have more sex once they reach age +30. But it wont make up for the time when they “missed out” or were somewhat less sexually interactive with zoomer girls when they were in their late teens and early 20’s while Chad was monopolising all the poon in the hookup & dating market. Plus everything is more expensive for zoomers. They have less odds of being able to purchase a house, and are more likely to become future cucks (by paternity fraud or divorce rape) or/and unmarried wagies until death. The economy will probably fall apart at some point in future, and I’d bet when zoomers reach middle-age, they will be right at the heart of it when it happens. Inevitably it will mean more ropers and more ERs are to be produced when zoomers are caught up in the next economic fallout
 
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I’m fine with it, Jordan Peterson is an oddball since he’s very articulate and correct about some things (for example his talks about the male dominance hierarchy and how women date across and down while men date across and up — though I’d argue that second point is an understatement in current year). He’s also absolutely right about the concept of “compelled speech” being evil (eg requiring people to affirm positions they don’t actually think are true is wrong).

Where Peterson loses me is 1) when he starts going on about some of his religious ideas (though I’d argue the religious traditionalists were in a lot ways right about gender roles/monogamy things like that) and 2) he is actually very hard on men and has stated publicly that it’s men who need to change themselves — which I actually do get to a degree, but it pissed me off that nobody ever seems to acknowledge that maybe women should change too. It’s apparently evil for men to have preferences for women like being a virgin but when women have preferences men should buck up and accommodate is sort of the mainstream take more or less. That doesn’t seem fair.

But yeah it’s crazy how the public just destroyed and dogpiled on JP like they did. Completely unfair, the things he said were fine for the most part. Normies are fucking insane psychopaths where they’re so used to our kind being forced into these niche pockets forced away from them by bans that when someone like JP points out holes in their worldview they lose their minds.
About Peterson and religion: I felt the same when he started to behave that way after he studied the Bible and religion in general. He claimed afterwards (if I am correct) he is no atheist anymore.

Now myself I have no religion and was at the time wondering how an intellectual starts believing. But his take is, if you listen carefully, not about believing in what the Bible tells us literally but what it tries to tell us. Some stories I find incredible fascinating after a second look.

But I think it is okay for people to have some faith. Many people have their own God or however you name it in your personal believes. I have some complex "believe" or "faith" about the universe and who we are and am interested to find out where we come from.

But the idea there is a God as a entity that punishes you because you did not go to church and that kind of crap is ridiculous to me and ofcourse made up by human to have power over people

But I must say that people of faith (not the radical ones) are very friendly people and they do stand up in times like this against tirrany. Maybe because they fear their God more then for example a government.
 
The older generations and the Chads are United with women give or take.

The older men do not understand experientially how things have gone downhill for young men and they mistake opting out of a raw deal in a system that provides no incentives to its young men for “muh laziness”
Boomer conservatives are as cancerous as libtards. It really feels they lost all the neuroplasticity to the point of brain damage
 

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