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A particular post on Reddit has been making the rounds. It makes several explosive claims. Of course it does. It was designed to catch your attention.
Unsurprisingly, this Reddit post is filled to the brim with a mix of half-truths and outright lies. We know that this Redditor is full of shit because in liberal democracies—such as the United States and the United Kingdom—freedom of speech and of the press permits public access to a wide variety of judicial records, such as arrest warrant affidavits, investigative reports, grand jury indictments, plea agreements, and sentencing memorandums. As you will see, many claims this Redditor makes are either exaggerations or are so demonstrably false as to be disconnected from reality.
Let's start with the supposed list of dangerous incels.
Claim 1: "David Kaufman - Arrested in NY for stalking a minor April 2020"
Reality: Kaufman was indeed arrested, convicted, and sentenced on federal cyberstalking charges. But Kaufman's arrest occurred in September, not April; and Kaufman certainly never victimized a minor. In fact, Kaufman's primary victims were a couple he met whilst attending college back in 2012—they were certainly not minors when the crime occurred in 2020.
See para. 9a on p.6 of the criminal complaint filed September 3rd, 2020:
A third victim spoke at Kaufman's sentencing hearing, though under the terms of Kaufman's plea agreement, he was never convicted of victimizing her. According to the transcript (see below, p. 10-12), Alyssa Cascone was completing graduate school at the time the crime occurred. She was most definitely not a minor.
Kaufman was ultimately sentenced to 30 months imprisonment; according to information from the Federal Bureau of Prisons, he will be released from FCI Elkton in October 2022. Had he victimized a minor, his sentence would have been far more severe than a 2.5-year stint in a low-security camp.
Claim 2: "Tres Genco - Arrested for planning to shoot up a sorority (inspired by Rogers) but was flagged due to posting about it on .IS and arrested in Ohio July 2021"
Reality: Genco, of Hillsboro, Ohio, was never allegedly "flagged" for posting on Incels.is about committing a mass shooting. The actual truth is much more embarrassing for Genco: he lived with his own mother, and she called the cops on him after they had a very heated argument, and county sheriffs allegedly found evidence that he was planning a mass shooting.
The Incels.is Moderation Team is, in fact, very familiar with the Genco case. In fact, one Incels.is moderator wrote a letter to the presiding judge asking that two documents, the search warrant affidavit and the ATF firearms report, be unsealed and available to the public.
Both documents were later unsealed. The search warrant affidavit, amongst numerous other documents related to Genco's pretrial motions, affirms that Genco was reported to police by his own mother (and not by anonymous Redditors trying to find karma-farming material on Incels.is).
Claim 3: "Johnny Young - Has a warrant out for his arrest after harassing woman in Nevada and California. August 2022"
Reality: There is no evidence proving that Young was a self-described incel or was otherwise connected to any incel community.
Claim 4: "Malik Sanchez - Was arrested to giving a bomb threat. A bomb was found in his home. NY November 2021"
Reality: Sanchez was indeed arrested for a bomb threat—more of a live-streamed, stupid prank, really. A May 5th, 2021 letter from Assistant U.S. Attorney Kaylan Lasky opposing Sanchez's request for bail stated that all law enforcement found at Sanchez's home were:
"five magazines that fit a Glock firearm; an air soft gun; small rubber balls, possibly for the air soft gun; a paintball gun; paintball pellets; three canisters of pepper spray; a “practice only” spray canister; two pocket knives". (p.7)
No bomb was ever found at his home. Indeed, a female federal judge ordered Sanchez's release after he had spent just two weeks in jail, over the objections of AUSA Lasky. Sanchez ultimately received a no-jail sentence from Judge Colleen McMahon, much to the chagrin of soys and feminists. If an actual bomb was found in his home, he would most likely be serving a 30-year sentence in a high-security federal prison.
Instead, Sanchez is currently walking free on the streets of New York City:
"Demoralizing and frightening": Male feminists, SJWs triggered after incel "Smooth" Sanchez avoids federal prison
What an amazing week. View: https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1511829113098715138 View: https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/1511869631547551747 None seemed more outraged about Sanchez’s sentence than the male feminists at MEL magazine. "[T]he outcome is also an unfortunate vindication...
incels.is
Claim 5: "Jake Davison (Plymouth Shooter)- Was arrested for killing 5 people in a mass shooting. He had an account on .IS. UK August 2021."
Reality: Davison did not have an account on Incels.is. Moreover, senior counter-terrorism policing officials in the United Kingdom concluded that the Plymouth shooting was not an act of "incel terrorism".
Plymouth shooting: Jake Davison attack wasn’t ‘incel’ terrorism, says officer
The Plymouth shooting was not terror-related and the “incel” ideology is not a terrorist movement, a senior police officer has said.Tim Jacques, deputy senior
www.thetimes.co.uk
Claim 6: Alek Minassion (Toronto Van Attack) - Arrested for hitting and killing 10 woman with his van during a protest. He had an account on .IS. Canada March 2021
Reality: Minassian did not have an account on Incels.is. Moreover, the presiding judge, Judge Anne Molloy of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice, concluded that Minassian was not motivated by inceldom at all. Instead, she concluded that Minassian was merely a fame-seeker.
See para. 193 on p.51 of Molloy's judgement:
para. 197 on p.52:Nevertheless, I am inclined to accept the assessment of all of the experts that Mr. Doe did lie to the police about much of the incel motivation he talked about and that the incel movement was not in fact a primary driving force behind the attack.
Why did he do it? There is a long answer. There were multiple factors at play as I have described above, as well as the impact of his ASD, and possibly desensitization as a result of the depraved internet sites he frequented. But there is also a short answer, a bottom line: he did it to become famous.
Claim 7: Robert Aaron Long - Shot up a spa with the reason they are to sexual for woman to enjoy (the same logic why many of you think woman should not ride bikes). He was a .IS user. Georgia March 2021
Reality: Long did not have an account on Incels.is. There is no evidence proving that Long was a self-described incel or was otherwise connected to any incel community.
Claim 8: Scott Beierle - Shooting Florida November 2018.
Reality: Beierle indeed committed a mass shooting in Florida in November 2018. Although his motives were described as misogynistic, there is no evidence proving that Beierle was a self-described incel or was otherwise connected to any incel community.
Claim 9: Armando Hernandez - Arrested for shooting a couple outside a mall. His reasoning for it was he was sick of seeing couples. Was an .IS user. Arizona May 2020
Reality: Hernandez did not have an account on Incels.is.
Claim 10: Alexander Stanropoulous - Arrested or plotting and attempted Murder of a woman. He told prosecutors he was an Incel. Canada January 2020
Reality: Aside from the misspelling of the defendant's name, this is the only claim that is factually correct in its entirety. I should note, however, that Canadian prosecutors did not classify this as a terrorist act. Stavropoulos, convicted of two counts of attempted murder for stabbing a woman and her baby, will be eligible for parole in just seven years.
Claim 11: Coty Scott Taylor - Kidnapped, (2R@p3d&, then murdered a 6 year old girl. He kept her dead body for two days after killing her. He said one of his reasons was that he was an incel and wanted someone who was not already “used”. South Carolina February 2020.
Reality: There is no evidence that Taylor raped Faye Swetlik before murdering her. Nor did Taylor "say" that his motive was "inceldom" and "wanted someone who was not already used". Indeed, Taylor committed suicide after the murder and could not be interrogated because he was dead. Nor did South Carolina police find evidence that Taylor was involved in any incel community. The only "incel" connection to Taylor comes from a police interview where Taylor's former roommate says Taylor claimed to be "asexual" and an "incel"; a logical improbability. It is far more likely that Taylor was suffering from psychosis or another untreated mental illness.
Claim 12: Brandon Andrew Clark- Killed a woman. Arrested for planned homicide. He was a user of looksmax and .IS
Clark was a simp whose advances were spurned by "e-girl" Bianca Devins. He did not have an account on either Looksmax or .Is. Nor was Clark a self-proclaimed incel or connected to any incel community. Instead, his online activity revolved almost entirely around Discord, where he and other bluepilled simps lavished Devins with their time and attention.
Fun facts: The headlines are currently focused on the Oneida County District Attorney's Office, which is now being sued for leaking 17-year-old Devins' nudes to the media. Also, I also happen to have an image of her semi-decapitated corpse. Here you go:
As you can see, Redditors play so fast and loose with the truth that just one out of these twelve sentences were correct. That's an accuracy rate of roughly 8.3%. Not good.
There are also some remaining claims in this Reddit post, all of which are also false. For example, there is the suggestion that the U.S. Secret Service reported in March 2022 that "incels as a demographic are the most likely to commit domestic terrorism". In reality, the words "terror", "terrorist", or "terrorism" don't appear once in the 10,230-word report, for good reason: U.S. law enforcement doesn't consider inceldom to be terrorism at all, because inceldom is neither explicitly political nor religious. You can read the U.S. Secret Service report for yourself here.
In 2022 so far, more femoids have been killed by garbage trucks than in incel shootings; I dare say that federal law enforcement are more interested in left-wing activists seeking to harm U.S. Supreme Court Justices than they are in lonely virgins venting on the internet.
Then there is the suggestion that the Incels.is mods "work" with people like "them" and regularly "report" to the FBI, MI5, and CSIS. That simply could not be further from the truth. For over eight months now, it has been the Moderation Team's policy not to conceal, but to highlight and discuss court cases involving incels, alleged incels, and more. We have always encouraged incels to broaden their understanding of the complex legal apparatus that governs their speech and every aspect of their daily lives. Would any "honeypot" encourage discussion of the law and suppress illegal speech? No, it would not.
And what do these Redditors think they're doing? Do they really think that the FBI relies on a group of mentally ill pink-haired 300-pound trannys to go about its daily business? That the Moderation Team "works" with Redditors? They are suffering from delusions of grandeur. The FBI failed to prevent Parkland, Buffalo, Uvalde, et cetera; and it's unlikely that these landwhale amateurs could've done any better. Here's the brutal truth: over the next year, there will be dozens more mass killings in schools and supermarkets and places of worship, and there is nothing that a bunch of randos sitting at home can do about it. Violent extremism, not unlike car crashes and house fires, is simply a fact of life in our societies. Suck it up and take out a life insurance policy.
Conclusion
In posting their factually baseless screed, this Redditor has two core aims. First, they seek to foster division within our site. This is a pretty lame attempt to deter new users from joining us and to prompt some gullible greycels to leave. We remain undeterred. By every metric, incel communities, including Incels.is, have steadily grown over the years.
Second, Redditors have already failed. This is, well, copium. If soys weren't desperate, they'd speak using cold, hard facts, not a mix of half-truths and emotion. They seek to deplatform us, but we have survived. Later this year, Incels.is will be celebrating our 5th birthday. Every single month, at least one Redditor claims that the FBI or some other law enforcement agency is on the very verge of seizing our website and arresting the leadership for good. Of course, it hasn't happened—they've cried wolf one too many times—because incels are entitled to the same constitutional rights everyone else is. We've had our share of ups and downs, no doubt; but we're still here, a middle finger to the progressive orthodoxy.
So Redditors, delusional and narcissistic as always, are settling on a new narrative. Moving the goalposts. It's a convenient lie they can feed themselves so they can create a sense of purpose out of their miserable lives: "I'm a barista by day, but at night I'm a super elite secret agent who hunts these big, bad inkwells on the interwebs by screenshotting their posts!" It's self-comforting, of course; after all, many of them have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours obsessively poring over our posts.
Everyone's entitled to their freedom of speech, of course; but no one is entitled to their own set of facts. They can whine and squeal and stomp their feet all they want, but the blackpill as an idea will continue to survive. We'll stick around to joke about the very next mass killings and celebrate the next time that the legal system delivers soys and femoids an L. We promise.
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