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Serious Explaining why BlackPill is better than Islam and how Islam is not based as you thought, so the coping with Islam in this forum should be stopped!

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I’m an ex Muslim and of course Islam is bullshit, any idiot can see that.

However, it is one of the few anti foid things allowed. So..

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interesting thread, i had no knowledge of islam so I'll bookmark
 
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1) Islam is a reactionary religion that was established by a group of filthy Bedouins from 14 centuries ago in an unknown desert. Islam doesn't actually materialize unless similar conditions are met for its creation, which is a poor environment and low IQ subhumans. Therefore, Islam produces shitholes and failed states that are not suitable for civilization. Islam rejects science, scientific method, philosophy and critical thinking so always will produce shithole countries. I see any talking about the enforcement of Islam is literally a call to make the prophet of dirt (Muhammad) rules your life from his grave which is cuck ngl.

On the other hand, the blackpill is the pinnacle of our intellectual development and maturity as a human race, especially as males. We Incels in particular (and Manosphere in general) are the normalized extension of global civilization and heirs to the Western civilization. We are an extension of the greats such as Newton, Tesla and Nietzsche not to a decadent chad from the Middle Ages like Muslims.

2) Islam says there are no defects in the human biology {95:4 لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا ٱلْإِنسَـٰنَ فِىٓ أَحْسَنِ تَقْوِيمٍ Indeed, We created humans in the best form. — https://quran.com/95} This contradicts the black pill, science and reality! Allah is liar.
{3:6 هُوَ ٱلَّذِى يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِى ٱلْأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَآءُ ۚ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ He is the One Who shapes you in the wombs of your mothers as He wills. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him— the Almighty, All-Wise. — https://quran.com/3}
Allah says he is the responsible for your Inceldom state.
{3:14 زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ ٱلشَّهَوَٰتِ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ وَٱلْبَنِينَ وَٱلْقَنَـٰطِيرِ ٱلْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ ٱلذَّهَبِ وَٱلْفِضَّةِ وَٱلْخَيْلِ ٱلْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَٱلْأَنْعَـٰمِ وَٱلْحَرْثِ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ مَتَـٰعُ ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا ۖ وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُۥ حُسْنُ ٱلْمَـَٔابِ Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return [i.e., Paradise]. — https://quran.com/3}
He's the bastard responsible for giving us desires we can't fulfill
{"And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought." [Quran 30:21]}
tranquillity, affection and mercy :feelskek:. Hey guys, does that god take about parallel universe?!!

As you see you can't trust that god and its religion. It is not a wise decision to live in a failed state like Afghanistan where you can be attacked by any state where you can't manufacture weapons or build a health care system where you can be killed by Muslim mobs because you didn't go to pray in the mosque.

3) misconceptions about Islam

"women can't work, own property and vote"
It's untrue simplely and even if you believe in the validity of that claim don't forget women have the right to inherit in Islam.
"women don't have rights in Islam"
This is also not true, and I will explain in detail.

I'm going to quote from ordinary avaliable websites. It will show to how much Islam is feminist and how Muslims are simps (try not to puke!)

The Rights of Women in Islam and Some Misconceptions: An Analysis from Bangladesh Perspective
3.1. Inheritance
The pre-Islamic customs relating to succession were biased, vindictive, and unreasonable and in most of the cases violated justice (Akter, Rahman, & Dolon, 2012). Women were treated as property and they were not entitled to inheritance whether as mother or wife or daughter or sister. There was no specific system for cognates and agnates and always males could get preferences. There were established traditions that the nearest male agnates succeeded to the entire estate of the deceased and females and cognates were excluded (Rashid, 2004). Islam ensured the rights of inheritance of women many centuries ago than western countries (Sechzer, 2004). In Islam six classes of persons never deprive from inheritance (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Among these six classes of persons, three classes of persons are male (father, husband and son) and rest three are female (mother, wife and daughter). In Islamic law of inheritance, among twelve sharers (called Quranic sharer whose share is define in Quran) numbers of women are eight (“wife, mother, daughter, son’s daughter, true grandmother, full sister, consanguine sister and uterine sister”) and the numbers of men are four (father, husband, true grandfather and uterine brother) (Haque, 2009). So Islam does not neglect women giving more importance to men.

In case of right of inheritance of a woman as mother three situations may arise. She may be entitle either 1/6 (if the deceased person has a child or son’s child how low so ever or two or more brothers or sisters) or 1/3 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child or not more than one brother and sister) or 1/3 of residue (if the deceased person have wife or husband and father) (4:11). As wife two situations may arise and she may be entitle either 1/4 (if the deceased person have child or son’s child how low so ever) or 1/8 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child) of the property of the deceased. (4:12). As daughter, if only one daughter and no son her share is 1/2 and if two or more daughters and no son their share is 2/3 and if there is son daughter will be residue and each daughter will get half of son. (4:11). Besides this, parents could distribute property equally between a son and a daughter (Khanum, 2008). Islam is the only religion that does not deprive women from their right of inheritance rather ensured right of inheritance of women.

In the pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia the status of women was like slaves who had no rights and dignity. Women would not get share either from parents or spouse as inheritance. But Islam ensures share of women in the property of parents and husband (Rahman, 2008). Regular shape of marriage as we understand at present time was totally absent. There were such types of marriage as may be treated as fornication, prostitution, adultery or polyandry (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Men could marry any number as he like and there were no specific rules in regard to marriage, they could marry even two real sisters at one and at the same time (Rashid, 2004). But in case of marriage, Islam imposes prohibition on account of affinity (prohibition due to marriage relationship). In this respect the Holy Qur’an declares:

“Forbidden for you (to marry) are the mothers of your wives and your step-daughters that are in your laps (in charge of you) through your wives to whom you have gone in; but if you have not gone in to them, then there is no sin upon you (to marry them); and the wives of your sons whom you have begotten.” (4: 23). Husband possessed the power of divorce which was so unlimited and unrestricted that he could divorce his wife whenever he wishes without any lawful ground and could revoked his divorce and divorce again as many times as he favored. He could illogically accuse his wife of falseness, dismiss her and leave her with such infamy as would prevent other suitors; while he himself would go free from any kinds of liability of maintenance or legal punishment. Neither of the wives could get a dower but Islam approves dower as a respect to the wife (Faiz-ud-din, 2003). False charges of unchastely were frequently used for depriving the wife from her right of dower. Her protector could deliver her to any person as he wished. But showing respect to women Islam reformed marriage laws in a sweeping and far-reaching way.

Women were considered as material things and where husband were unable to pay his debt during his life time, after his death his creditor would own his wife as reparation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). Female child were considered an evil omen and fathers were terrified if the new born baby were female. Fathers not only become unhappy when a female child was born but also felt embarrassed. In pre-Islamic Arabia, there was a ridiculous discrimination against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) not only protest to this culture but also ordered to stop it. He showing them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell (Doi, 1992).

Under original Hindu law, women were treated like slave who had no rights of inheritance (Uddin, & Hossain, 2017). If the husband of woman died during her lifetime then she had to burn herself alive when the dead body was cremated (Doi, 1992). Widow had no right to remarry who had to bear intolerable pain in her daily life. In Chinese culture, there were many atrocious customs had to bear a girl. A male child was treated as an immense gift of God but female was an acceptable degradation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). In Greek society, women were treated to be the incarnation of evil and they had no right of inheritance, education, divorce etc. (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). They were considered as material goods who had no feelings and free will. In ancient Rome, cruelties towards women were unbearable. Women had no rights, dignity or honour and the position of the women was like slave (Kabir, 2009). Men had authority to sell her or send her into exile even a husband had power of summarily putting his wife to death for acts like drinking, poisoning and substitution of a spurious child (Doi, 1992). In Jewish society, women were lived without right, dignity and honour. They had no right of inheritance and were considered as an object owned by the male protector.
Islam does not allow the domination of men over women rather it upholds the rights, dignity, honour and status of women by ensuring gender equality and also equality of rights for both male and female in every area of human life. In Islam a woman is completely self-regulating who has legal personality and who is able to enter into contract or can make bequest in her own name. She has right to perform any profession or business and has authority to dispose her property as like as men. She is entitled for inheritance in different capacity like as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has full freedom to select her husband and also allowed to her dower and maintenance. As the command of Islam to the men is to treat with compassion and full respect to their wives, women are respectable and honourable in Islam (Mohammad, & Lehmann, 2011). A women as mother has immense respect in Islam than any other person. The holy Quran in many verses commands Muslims to demonstrate respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they left Islam and are still remain as unbelievers. The prophet (peace be upon him) states insistently that the rights of the mother are supreme (Doi, 1992). In Islam women are most respectable and honorable “if she is a wife, she is life partner, if she is as a mother, the paradise is under the feet of mother, if she is daughter it is blessing of Almighty Allah” (Soomro, & Khuhro, 2018). The different types of rights of women ensured in Islam are:

Women in the Quran and the Sunnah
The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:

Considering the fact that before the advent of Islam the pagan Arabs used to bury their female children alive, make women dance naked in the vicinity of the Ka'ba during their annual fairs, and treat women as mere chattels and objects of sexual pleasure possessing no rights or position whatsoever, these teachings of the Noble Qur'an were revolutionary. Unlike other religions, which regarded women as being possessed of inherent sin and wickedness and men as being possessed of inherent virtue and nobility, Islam regards men and women as being of the same essence created from a single soul. The Qur'an declares:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous khutba on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Hajj al-Wada (Farewell Pilgrimage). In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful:soy: and kind:soy: towards women. He said:

The Prophet's followers accepted his teachings and brought about a revolution in their social attitude towards women. They no longer considered women as a mere chattels, but as an integral part of society. For the first time women were given the right to have a share in inheritance. In the new social climate, women rediscovered themselves and became highly active members of society rendering useful service during the wars which the pagan Arabs forced on the emerging Muslim umma. They carried provisions for the soldiers, nursed them, and even fought alongside them if it was necessary. It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields, carrying on trade and business independently, and going out of their homes to satisfy their needs.


Do women have the right to vote or is it only for men?
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Consulting women was a popular matter during the Prophet’s time and one of these examples is when the Prophet consulted his wife Um Salamah in the truce of Hudaybiyya. Also lady Asmaa bint Abu Bakr gave advice to her son ‘Abdullah ibn al Zubair regarding some legal matters.

Also preventing women from voting implies concealing her knowledge and silencing her advice which is legally impermissible. God says in the Quran, “And [mention, O Muhammad], when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture, [saying], "You must make it clear to the people and not conceal it." But they threw it away behind their backs and exchanged it for a small price. And wretched is that which they purchased.” 3:187 and it is well known that those who were given the Book are both men and women and not solely men. The Prophet (peace be upon him) warned us against concealing our knowledge and Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said in this regard, “Whoever was asked about knowledge and concealed it will be bridled in the Day of Judgment with a bridle from fire”. (Abu Dawud)

Islam gave women their basic rights centuries before the West did
The True Importance of Women in Islam
Women in Islam
If you have free time you can read these extra articles :feelsjuice:
Islam is going to heaven resulted by Good works (pray 5 times, believe pedo muhamnad etc) religion where christian is the inverse, Im speaking of true blackpilled christian. Jesus never told us to do good works to reach heaven. Good works is a Just a byproduct of Your spirit (psychology) that trust in him. You will gain entry to heaven no matter what (sinful behaviour, lust women, evil, etc) as long as you trust in jesus. Even when you only trust jesus once in your life and decided not to trust him again years after. Your name is still in heaven queue book. Christian religion that teaches good works to gain entry to heaven aka salvation is a false christian.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/easy_to_believe.htm

Jesus teaches True Christian are not to judge other people. Unlike islam who judge ppl and thinks themselves as superior. True blackpilled redpilled religion is christian:blackpill::redpill:
 
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Islam is going to heaven resulted by Good works (pray 5 times, believe pedo muhamnad etc) religion where christian is the inverse, Im speaking of true blackpilled christian. Jesus never told us to do good works to reach heaven. Good works is a Just a byproduct of Your spirit (psychology) that trust in him. You will gain entry to heaven no matter what (sinful behaviour, lust women, evil, etc) as long as you trust in jesus. Even when you only trust jesus once in your life and decided not to trust him again years after. Your name is still in heaven queue book. Christian religion that teaches good works to gain entry to heaven aka salvation is a false christian.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/easy_to_believe.htm

Jesus teaches True Christian are not to judge other people. Unlike islam who judge ppl and thinks themselves as superior. True blackpilled redpilled religion is christian:blackpill::redpill:
"Jesus never told us to do good works to reach heaven."
"Even when you only trust jesus once in your life and decided not to trust him again years after. Your name is still in heaven queue book."
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wtf you talk about graycel, that seems unreal and fabricated to me.

@Mainländer, Is what this man says true? And is there a Christian sect with these ideas?
 
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ive been seeing a a lot of anti-islam threads lately kuffar and jews are in full cope-mode.
 
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"Jesus never told us to do good works to reach heaven."
"Even when you only trust jesus once in your life and decided not to trust him again years after. Your name is still in heaven queue book."
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wtf you talk about graycel, that seems unreal and fabricated to me.

@Mainländer, Is what this man says true? And is there a Christian sect with these ideas?
He speaks the truth, my brother. Biblical Christianity differs itself from all man-made religions and denominations by being the only doctrine that correctly, fully states how much of a hopeless good-for-nothing sinner the fallen human being is.

Even our good works are filthy rags to God. It's written in the book of Isaiah. It's all works of sinners, so they'll never suffice to redeem anyone.

Jesus's sacrifice was valid because He lived all His life without sinning even once.

Good works will earn you rewards in heaven though:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnNSfduoTts

And of course you must repent to get saved. But repent doesn't mean to stop sinning (it's impossible in the flesh anyways), but rather to experience metanoia i.e. change of mind. Knowing that sin is sin and accepting that you're a sinner.
 
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He speaks the truth, my brother. Biblical Christianity differs itself from all man-made religions and denominations by being the only doctrine that correctly, fully states how much of a hopeless good-for-nothing sinner the fallen human being is.

Even our good works are filthy rags to God. It's written in the book of Isaiah. It's all works of sinners, so they'll never suffice to redeem anyone.

Jesus's sacrifice was valid because He lived all His life without sinning even once.

Good works will earn you rewards in heaven though:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnNSfduoTts

And of course you must repent to get saved. But repent doesn't mean to stop sinning (it's impossible in the flesh anyways), but rather to experience metanoia i.e. change of mind. Knowing that sin is sin and accepting that you're a sinner.

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I just want to ask you what do you want to prove from this? JFL, if you think that might mean anything. First, it is normal for all civilizations and empires in history to have some discoveries and innovations here and there. This is a concept, but this doesn't have a distinct significance for a particular civilization and doesn't mean that we should recall it from the past and apply it in the present.

Second, that list of achievements didn't surprise me, but what I find interesting is that about 90% of those scholars are not Arabs, but their roots go back to non-Islamic or Arabic civilizations and cultures, especially the Persians, who are considered one of the biggest contributors to the achievements.
I amjust saying your drastic vision of the islamic world is not true. I am not saying Islam is the Best thing ever forever

Also, inventions coming from other periods of time/cultore? Same cane be said about the middle age, christianity and all the translation they did from the old Roman historical cycle
Just what are the criteria of flourishing for you?! I admit that, in relative terms, the religious tolerance of Islamic authority was greater than what was under Christian authority in the Middle Ages. But It's all that could be expected, and the lives of peoples under this civilization didn't improve, and they didn't develop scientifically, culturally, or intellectually. Where is the impact of the alleged Islamic inventions on the life of the ordinary citizen in that period? Literally nothing.
I can point to some discovery and inventions (numbers f eks) done during the islamic golden Age but obv talking about "islamic inventions" per se is stupid. The same way we cannone consider Leonardo Da Vinci 100% a Christian intellectual
 
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I amjust saying your drastic vision of the islamic world is not true. I am not saying Islam is the Best thing ever forever
It's okay if that's your opinion, but there's one thing you are wrong about: "My vision of the Islamic world isn't drastic, it's authentic :feelsUgh:".
but obv talking about "islamic inventions" per se is stupid.
JFL, you are the one who started doing that :feelshaha:
 
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Muhammad forces man to raise kid of Tyrone and cheating wife

A bedouin came to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said, "My wife has delivered a black boy, and I suspect that he is not my child." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to him, "Have you got camels?" The bedouin said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "What color are they?" The bedouin said, "They are red." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Are any of them Grey?" He said, "There are Grey ones among them." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whence do you think this color came to them?" The bedouin said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! It resulted from hereditary disposition." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "And this (i.e., your child) has inherited his color from his ancestors." The Prophet (ﷺ) did not allow him to deny his paternity of the child. (Bukhari 7314)


Muhammad forces men to have 4 witnesses for a cheating wife. Even when Muhammad knows she cheated (and even who she cheated with) they don't get punished:
Narrated ibn Abbas:
Hilal bin Umaiya accused his wife of committing illegal sexual intercourse with Sharik bin Sahma' and filed the case before the Prophet. The Prophet (ﷺ) said (to Hilal), "Either you bring forth a proof (four witnesses) or you will receive the legal punishment (lashes) on your back." Hilal said, "O Allah's Apostle! If anyone of us saw a man over his wife, would he go to seek after witnesses?" The Prophet (ﷺ) kept on saying, "Either you bring forth the witnesses or you will receive the legal punishment (lashes) on your back." [...] (Bukhari 4747)
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interesting thread, i had no knowledge of islam so I'll bookmark
Most of the long ass posts in this thread are full of misinformation to begin with, so you're only gonna misinform yourself:smonk:
Muhammad forces man to raise kid of Tyrone and cheating wife
Black does not mean a Negroid. This is an American term, not a term from 7th century Arabia. The Prophet was also called White, that doesn't mean Pr. Muhamad was a European :feelshaha: And if you know anything about genetics of Middle Easterners, you would know many times there are different skin tones within the same family. Like this brown Persian with his blonde daughter.
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Muhammad forces men to have 4 witnesses for a cheating wife. Even when Muhammad knows she cheated (and even who she cheated with) they don't get punished:
Wrong. lol Where does it say he knows this? A man has to bring 4 witnesses otherwise this means ANY man can just accuse his wife of being a whore, get her stoned to death, then go get a new wife. A man IS however allowed to divorce his wife in this context, if he accuses her of adultery, but she won't be killed.
 
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Most of the long ass posts in this thread are full of misinformation to begin with, so you're only gonna misinform yourself:smonk:
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Just don't discuss any point and deny the thesis theory
Black does not mean a Negroid. This is an American term, not a term from 7th century Arabia. The Prophet was also called White, that doesn't mean Pr. Muhamad was a European :feelshaha:
Blacks were present in the Arabian Peninsula before Islam (as slaves or mercenaries). An example of that is Antarah ibn Shaddad, the famous Arab poet.

Arabs certainly distinguished themselves from blacks. When they say someone is black, they realize that he has the characteristics of a Negro. Although the Arabs were Semitic, they classified themselves as white on the basis of skin color and not on the basis of DNA or skull shape :feelsseriously:. A person could be described as brown but that didn't mean he was black, you're lying.
this means ANY man can just accuse his wife of being a whore, get her stoned to death, then go get a new wife.

This is literally a feminist way of thinking, which is to build a vision of men based on their worst possible actions. "Men are savages, rapists, liars and murderers, so we must make laws based on this assumption to save women":foidSoy::foidSoy::foidSoy::foidSoy::foidSoy::foidSoy::foidSoy::soy::soy::foidSoy::foidSoy::foidSoy:

This is the effect of Islam that I warn from on the blackpilled mindset.
The Prophet (ﷺ) said (to Hilal), "Either you bring forth a proof (four witnesses) or you will receive the legal punishment (lashes) on your back.
1. Although he is the prophet and God speaks to him, they don't know the scientific truth that has been proven by scientific Blackpill using statistics, social experiments and the observation that women cheat more than men. If we realize this and use probability then a husband accuses his wife of cheating he is right with a high probability.

2. The punishment is really cruel and it makes me wonder what if the opposite had happened. Facts show that, paradoxically to Muhammad's belief, false accusations from women to men (such as accusations of harassment or rape) are much higher than vice versa and they receive no punishment.

3. The purpose of the law is for the Prophet to suppress men from taking their rights, All that the prophet of simp cares about is preserving the reputation of Muh "the believing women".
How can be possible to exist four witnesses?! Imagine seeing your wife having sex with another man, but that doesn't mean anything because you are one witness (very cuck ngl).
interesting thread, i had no knowledge of islam so I'll bookmark
you are right, man, it's a based reference:smonk:
 
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"Jesus never told us to do good works to reach heaven."
"Even when you only trust jesus once in your life and decided not to trust him again years after. Your name is still in heaven queue book."
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wtf you talk about graycel, that seems unreal and fabricated to me.

@Mainländer, Is what this man says true? And is there a Christian sect with these ideas?
:blackpill:this is blackpill christian , free grace christian
 
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In my opinion it's like comparing diarrhea to a solid turd. You wouldn't want to touch either of them. The west is degenerate and disgusting, but islam would most likely lead to the same place given enough time.

In my opinion a perfect society will never exist, the reason being that humanity is inherently flawed, as such any system we create to cater to ourselves will also end up flawed. In other words, there is no such thing as a Utopian society for humans because human nature itself makes it impossible.
 
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In my opinion it's like comparing diarrhea to a solid turd. You wouldn't want to touch either of them.
I don't agree with this simile tbh.
The west is degenerate and disgusting, but islam would most likely lead to the same place given enough time.
Exactly. we can't gamble with our lives on another Judaic Bedouin religion.
In my opinion a perfect society will never exist, the reason being that humanity is inherently flawed, as such any system we create to cater to ourselves will also end up flawed. In other words, there is no such thing as a Utopian society for humans because human nature itself makes it impossible.
I think it's better to deal with matters from a pragmatic perspective. I mean that even if there is no perfect society, there can be society better than other (better for men precisely).
 
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The Christianity as a religion created by foids. It celebrates whores and the male virginity.
The Islam promotes the family and the sex, men should collect women and control them.

This is the reason why Islamic countries do not accept the sexual freedom of foids.
 
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The Christianity as a religion created by foids. It celebrates whores and the male virginity.
I'd like to postulate this as the essence of Christianity tbh :feelshaha:
The Islam promotes the family and the sex, men should collect women and control them.
Not in the way you imagine :). That's what groups like the Taliban think about Islam and promote, it's not including other Islamic countries and groups.
This is the reason why Islamic countries do not accept the sexual freedom of foids.
It's inaccurate thought, The real reason is the cultural heritage and conventionalism. Without going into details, the end result is the spread of celibacy, sexual repression and male insecurity in these societies.
 
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1) Islam is a reactionary religion that was established by a group of filthy Bedouins from 14 centuries ago in an unknown desert. Islam doesn't actually materialize unless similar conditions are met for its creation, which is a poor environment and low IQ subhumans. Therefore, Islam produces shitholes and failed states that are not suitable for civilization. Islam rejects science, scientific method, philosophy and critical thinking so always will produce shithole countries. I see any talking about the enforcement of Islam is literally a call to make the prophet of dirt (Muhammad) rules your life from his grave which is cuck ngl.

On the other hand, the blackpill is the pinnacle of our intellectual development and maturity as a human race, especially as males. We Incels in particular (and Manosphere in general) are the normalized extension of global civilization and heirs to the Western civilization. We are an extension of the greats such as Newton, Tesla and Nietzsche not to a decadent chad from the Middle Ages like Muslims.

2) Islam says there are no defects in the human biology {95:4 لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا ٱلْإِنسَـٰنَ فِىٓ أَحْسَنِ تَقْوِيمٍ Indeed, We created humans in the best form. — https://quran.com/95} This contradicts the black pill, science and reality! Allah is liar.
{3:6 هُوَ ٱلَّذِى يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِى ٱلْأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَآءُ ۚ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ He is the One Who shapes you in the wombs of your mothers as He wills. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him— the Almighty, All-Wise. — https://quran.com/3}
Allah says he is the responsible for your Inceldom state.
{3:14 زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ ٱلشَّهَوَٰتِ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ وَٱلْبَنِينَ وَٱلْقَنَـٰطِيرِ ٱلْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ ٱلذَّهَبِ وَٱلْفِضَّةِ وَٱلْخَيْلِ ٱلْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَٱلْأَنْعَـٰمِ وَٱلْحَرْثِ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ مَتَـٰعُ ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا ۖ وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُۥ حُسْنُ ٱلْمَـَٔابِ Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return [i.e., Paradise]. — https://quran.com/3}
He's the bastard responsible for giving us desires we can't fulfill
{"And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought." [Quran 30:21]}
tranquillity, affection and mercy :feelskek:. Hey guys, does that god take about parallel universe?!!

As you see you can't trust that god and its religion. It is not a wise decision to live in a failed state like Afghanistan where you can be attacked by any state where you can't manufacture weapons or build a health care system where you can be killed by Muslim mobs because you didn't go to pray in the mosque.

3) misconceptions about Islam

"women can't work, own property and vote"
It's untrue simplely and even if you believe in the validity of that claim don't forget women have the right to inherit in Islam.
"women don't have rights in Islam"
This is also not true, and I will explain in detail.

I'm going to quote from ordinary avaliable websites. It will show to how much Islam is feminist and how Muslims are simps (try not to puke!)

The Rights of Women in Islam and Some Misconceptions: An Analysis from Bangladesh Perspective
3.1. Inheritance
The pre-Islamic customs relating to succession were biased, vindictive, and unreasonable and in most of the cases violated justice (Akter, Rahman, & Dolon, 2012). Women were treated as property and they were not entitled to inheritance whether as mother or wife or daughter or sister. There was no specific system for cognates and agnates and always males could get preferences. There were established traditions that the nearest male agnates succeeded to the entire estate of the deceased and females and cognates were excluded (Rashid, 2004). Islam ensured the rights of inheritance of women many centuries ago than western countries (Sechzer, 2004). In Islam six classes of persons never deprive from inheritance (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Among these six classes of persons, three classes of persons are male (father, husband and son) and rest three are female (mother, wife and daughter). In Islamic law of inheritance, among twelve sharers (called Quranic sharer whose share is define in Quran) numbers of women are eight (“wife, mother, daughter, son’s daughter, true grandmother, full sister, consanguine sister and uterine sister”) and the numbers of men are four (father, husband, true grandfather and uterine brother) (Haque, 2009). So Islam does not neglect women giving more importance to men.

In case of right of inheritance of a woman as mother three situations may arise. She may be entitle either 1/6 (if the deceased person has a child or son’s child how low so ever or two or more brothers or sisters) or 1/3 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child or not more than one brother and sister) or 1/3 of residue (if the deceased person have wife or husband and father) (4:11). As wife two situations may arise and she may be entitle either 1/4 (if the deceased person have child or son’s child how low so ever) or 1/8 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child) of the property of the deceased. (4:12). As daughter, if only one daughter and no son her share is 1/2 and if two or more daughters and no son their share is 2/3 and if there is son daughter will be residue and each daughter will get half of son. (4:11). Besides this, parents could distribute property equally between a son and a daughter (Khanum, 2008). Islam is the only religion that does not deprive women from their right of inheritance rather ensured right of inheritance of women.

In the pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia the status of women was like slaves who had no rights and dignity. Women would not get share either from parents or spouse as inheritance. But Islam ensures share of women in the property of parents and husband (Rahman, 2008). Regular shape of marriage as we understand at present time was totally absent. There were such types of marriage as may be treated as fornication, prostitution, adultery or polyandry (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Men could marry any number as he like and there were no specific rules in regard to marriage, they could marry even two real sisters at one and at the same time (Rashid, 2004). But in case of marriage, Islam imposes prohibition on account of affinity (prohibition due to marriage relationship). In this respect the Holy Qur’an declares:

“Forbidden for you (to marry) are the mothers of your wives and your step-daughters that are in your laps (in charge of you) through your wives to whom you have gone in; but if you have not gone in to them, then there is no sin upon you (to marry them); and the wives of your sons whom you have begotten.” (4: 23). Husband possessed the power of divorce which was so unlimited and unrestricted that he could divorce his wife whenever he wishes without any lawful ground and could revoked his divorce and divorce again as many times as he favored. He could illogically accuse his wife of falseness, dismiss her and leave her with such infamy as would prevent other suitors; while he himself would go free from any kinds of liability of maintenance or legal punishment. Neither of the wives could get a dower but Islam approves dower as a respect to the wife (Faiz-ud-din, 2003). False charges of unchastely were frequently used for depriving the wife from her right of dower. Her protector could deliver her to any person as he wished. But showing respect to women Islam reformed marriage laws in a sweeping and far-reaching way.

Women were considered as material things and where husband were unable to pay his debt during his life time, after his death his creditor would own his wife as reparation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). Female child were considered an evil omen and fathers were terrified if the new born baby were female. Fathers not only become unhappy when a female child was born but also felt embarrassed. In pre-Islamic Arabia, there was a ridiculous discrimination against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) not only protest to this culture but also ordered to stop it. He showing them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell (Doi, 1992).

Under original Hindu law, women were treated like slave who had no rights of inheritance (Uddin, & Hossain, 2017). If the husband of woman died during her lifetime then she had to burn herself alive when the dead body was cremated (Doi, 1992). Widow had no right to remarry who had to bear intolerable pain in her daily life. In Chinese culture, there were many atrocious customs had to bear a girl. A male child was treated as an immense gift of God but female was an acceptable degradation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). In Greek society, women were treated to be the incarnation of evil and they had no right of inheritance, education, divorce etc. (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). They were considered as material goods who had no feelings and free will. In ancient Rome, cruelties towards women were unbearable. Women had no rights, dignity or honour and the position of the women was like slave (Kabir, 2009). Men had authority to sell her or send her into exile even a husband had power of summarily putting his wife to death for acts like drinking, poisoning and substitution of a spurious child (Doi, 1992). In Jewish society, women were lived without right, dignity and honour. They had no right of inheritance and were considered as an object owned by the male protector.
Islam does not allow the domination of men over women rather it upholds the rights, dignity, honour and status of women by ensuring gender equality and also equality of rights for both male and female in every area of human life. In Islam a woman is completely self-regulating who has legal personality and who is able to enter into contract or can make bequest in her own name. She has right to perform any profession or business and has authority to dispose her property as like as men. She is entitled for inheritance in different capacity like as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has full freedom to select her husband and also allowed to her dower and maintenance. As the command of Islam to the men is to treat with compassion and full respect to their wives, women are respectable and honourable in Islam (Mohammad, & Lehmann, 2011). A women as mother has immense respect in Islam than any other person. The holy Quran in many verses commands Muslims to demonstrate respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they left Islam and are still remain as unbelievers. The prophet (peace be upon him) states insistently that the rights of the mother are supreme (Doi, 1992). In Islam women are most respectable and honorable “if she is a wife, she is life partner, if she is as a mother, the paradise is under the feet of mother, if she is daughter it is blessing of Almighty Allah” (Soomro, & Khuhro, 2018). The different types of rights of women ensured in Islam are:

Women in the Quran and the Sunnah
The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:

Considering the fact that before the advent of Islam the pagan Arabs used to bury their female children alive, make women dance naked in the vicinity of the Ka'ba during their annual fairs, and treat women as mere chattels and objects of sexual pleasure possessing no rights or position whatsoever, these teachings of the Noble Qur'an were revolutionary. Unlike other religions, which regarded women as being possessed of inherent sin and wickedness and men as being possessed of inherent virtue and nobility, Islam regards men and women as being of the same essence created from a single soul. The Qur'an declares:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous khutba on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Hajj al-Wada (Farewell Pilgrimage). In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful:soy: and kind:soy: towards women. He said:

The Prophet's followers accepted his teachings and brought about a revolution in their social attitude towards women. They no longer considered women as a mere chattels, but as an integral part of society. For the first time women were given the right to have a share in inheritance. In the new social climate, women rediscovered themselves and became highly active members of society rendering useful service during the wars which the pagan Arabs forced on the emerging Muslim umma. They carried provisions for the soldiers, nursed them, and even fought alongside them if it was necessary. It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields, carrying on trade and business independently, and going out of their homes to satisfy their needs.


Do women have the right to vote or is it only for men?
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Consulting women was a popular matter during the Prophet’s time and one of these examples is when the Prophet consulted his wife Um Salamah in the truce of Hudaybiyya. Also lady Asmaa bint Abu Bakr gave advice to her son ‘Abdullah ibn al Zubair regarding some legal matters.

Also preventing women from voting implies concealing her knowledge and silencing her advice which is legally impermissible. God says in the Quran, “And [mention, O Muhammad], when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture, [saying], "You must make it clear to the people and not conceal it." But they threw it away behind their backs and exchanged it for a small price. And wretched is that which they purchased.” 3:187 and it is well known that those who were given the Book are both men and women and not solely men. The Prophet (peace be upon him) warned us against concealing our knowledge and Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said in this regard, “Whoever was asked about knowledge and concealed it will be bridled in the Day of Judgment with a bridle from fire”. (Abu Dawud)

Islam gave women their basic rights centuries before the West did
The True Importance of Women in Islam
Women in Islam
If you have free time you can read these extra articles :feelsjuice:
Islam is the opposition of the Christianity as some other right wing ideologies. The Christian texts are written by foids for foids and they accept the free sexual market and the sexual selection. Islam does not give the right to select sexual partners freely to foids as other right wing ideologies. So incels' choice should be some right wing ideology that controls foids' mate selection. There is only islam today that acts in this way, maybe another ideology emerges in the future.

It is not a good idea to join the ISIS just to find a girl friend, I'm afraid that it will not work at all for men who are not muslims. The ISIS project is crazy and it does not offer any future for incels. But their will to control foids' sexual behavior is a very good idea and it is the principal reason of their success. Muslim incels are principal followers of ISIS. It is quite simple for a muslim incel to become a suicide bomber as he has strictly nothing to obtain in this world. The only possibility to stop these attacks is to marry these guys but foids will never permit it.
He speaks the truth, my brother. Biblical Christianity differs itself from all man-made religions and denominations by being the only doctrine that correctly, fully states how much of a hopeless good-for-nothing sinner the fallen human being is.

Even our good works are filthy rags to God. It's written in the book of Isaiah. It's all works of sinners, so they'll never suffice to redeem anyone.

Jesus's sacrifice was valid because He lived all His life without sinning even once.

Good works will earn you rewards in heaven though:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnNSfduoTts

And of course you must repent to get saved. But repent doesn't mean to stop sinning (it's impossible in the flesh anyways), but rather to experience metanoia i.e. change of mind. Knowing that sin is sin and accepting that you're a sinner.

About what sinners do you speak ? How can an incel be a sinner ? We do not need to redeem, we need the sex as islam promotes. The Christianity does not offer anything to incels, just to accept their funest destiny. Exactly as foids wish.
 
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JFL at the amount of straw clutching. The blackpill isn't codified or agreed upon. There is no text or "book of blackpill" for referall. Islamists have overrun entire countries and governments and is the only legitimate challenge to the western degeneracy. Its a fight against these degenerates and the mountain of Islam has a better chance than the Mole hill of blackpill.
Exactly. Every single thing might not be agreed upon, but generally Islam aligns with our ideals. So we have to take what we can get and throw our lot in with the more likely victor, even if it is slightly diluted version of our beliefs
 
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Exactly. Every single thing might not be agreed upon, but generally Islam aligns with our ideals. So we have to take what we can get and throw our lot in with the more likely victor, even if it is slightly diluted version of our beliefs
They cannot declare themselves as incels/losers .....
The only good thing in islam is its vision of foids, otherwise it is not good.
This can be true in other older ideologies. Anyway no left wing ideology is incel friendly.
 
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Islam is the only ideology doing anything to combat female hypergamy

Secularism is cucked, just breeds degeneracy
 
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Islam promotes the meritocracy. This is not the case of the Christianity.

The basic belief of the Lutheran and Reformed Christianity Sola gratia (by grace alone) stipulates that salvation comes by divine grace or "unmerited favor" only, not as something merited by the sinner.

The salvation comes by divine grace or "unmerited favor" only, not as something merited by the sinner. The “salvation is by grace” and not by our works. A person cannot build up a “treasury of merits” that will count in our favor at the Judgment Seat of Christ. What will matter then is our having surrendered our sin to God through confession, and our gestures of love, together with the unshakable conviction that “Jesus Christ is Lord,” and the unique Way to eternal life. If someone is saved, he/she has no need to live a holy life, given that salvation is already "in the bag".

Some Christians say that grace reaches out to all individuals though they have the free will to cooperate with that grace or reject it.

Every foid thinks and speaks to us as a Christian priest. The Christianity was created by foids, it is an expression of foids' mind set.

The blackpill is in the genes of the Christianity. The man is just a peacock showing his tail and waiting for foid's grace.
 
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Just don't discuss any point and deny the thesis theory
I'm not gonna go around reading and replying to every long-ass post on this thread. If there's a specific issue you want me to address, feel free to point it out
Blacks were present in the Arabian Peninsula before Islam (as slaves or mercenaries). An example of that is Antarah ibn Shaddad, the famous Arab poet.
Negroes being present doesn't change the fact that this does not prove the child itself was a Negro
Arabs certainly distinguished themselves from blacks.
No, they distinguished themselves based on skin tone, it's just that Ethiopians would naturally be darker than them. This is a Yemeni girl, and you can tell by her skull shape, nose shape, and hair texture that she is a Caucasion and NOT a Negro, yet she would have still been called black back in those days

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When they say someone is black, they realize that he has the characteristics of a Negro.
Nope, you don't know anything about 7th century Arab termonology. Arabs called themselves white, does that mean they all looked European?
Although the Arabs were Semitic, they classified themselves as white on the basis of skin color and not on the basis of DNA or skull shape
Yep, and the same would apply to dark skinned Arabs. Here's another example of a black-skinned Arab
Yemen arabie heureuse

A person could be described as brown but that didn't mean he was black, you're lying.
Don't know what you mean here. Elaborate.

This is literally a feminist way of thinking
Not wanting an innocent woman to be stoned to death is not feminist thinking. And yes, many men do pull stunts like this when they are bored of fucking a woman. Hence why you see all these alpha widows around us.
 
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Islam is the opposition of the Christianity as some other right wing ideologies.
About what sinners do you speak ? How can an incel be a sinner ? We do not need to redeem, we need the sex as islam promotes. The Christianity does not offer anything to incels, just to accept their funest destiny. Exactly as foids wish.
Islam promotes the meritocracy. This is not the case of the Christianity.
The basic belief of the Lutheran and Reformed Christianity Sola gratia (by grace alone) stipulates that salvation comes by divine grace or "unmerited favor" only, not as something merited by the sinner.

The salvation comes by divine grace or "unmerited favor" only, not as something merited by the sinner. The “salvation is by grace” and not by our works. A person cannot build up a “treasury of merits” that will count in our favor at the Judgment Seat of Christ. What will matter then is our having surrendered our sin to God through confession, and our gestures of love, together with the unshakable conviction that “Jesus Christ is Lord,” and the unique Way to eternal life. If someone is saved, he/she has no need to live a holy life, given that salvation is already "in the bag".

Some Christians say that grace reaches out to all individuals though they have the free will to cooperate with that grace or reject it.
I need to make it clear that I won't comment on your comparison between Islam and Christianity (although I have reservations about what you said) because I didn't make this thread for comparing religions or to show that Christianity is better than Islam. Even if we assume for the sake of argument that Islam is better than Christianity in some points, that doesn't negate the facts that I discussed in the OP. What you are doing is moving the goalposts tbh.
Islam does not give the right to select sexual partners freely to foids as other right wing ideologies. So incels' choice should be some right wing ideology that controls foids' mate selection. There is only islam today that acts in this way, maybe another ideology emerges in the future.
It is not a good idea to join the ISIS just to find a girl friend, I'm afraid that it will not work at all for men who are not muslims. The ISIS project is crazy and it does not offer any future for incels. But their will to control foids' sexual behavior is a very good idea and it is the principal reason of their success. Muslim incels are principal followers of ISIS. It is quite simple for a muslim incel to become a suicide bomber as he has strictly nothing to obtain in this world. The only possibility to stop these attacks is to marry these guys but foids will never permit it.
Hehe, I see you are keen to advance your false agenda, either you are an infiltrator or a thoughtless person tbh. You should be aware of the seriousness of what you are saying, as it could be harmful to users or the forum. :feelswhat:

(@your personality, thoughts on this graycel?)
They cannot declare themselves as incels/losers .....
Incels =/ Losers
The blackpill is in the genes of the Christianity. The man is just a peacock showing his tail and waiting for foid's grace.
The blackpill is based on a scientific method, scientific research and works of the mind, not on superstition like Christianity. The blackpill explains the reality, so it is illogical to reject facts because you do not like them or because you think they are similar to something you don't like Christianity. That doesn't fault the theory.

"The man is just a peacock showing his tail and waiting for foid's grace."
JFL at your Hard Cope :feelshaha:, It's the truth about male status in general but no one is forcing you to do that.

If you have a negative view of Incels and don't understand the blackpill well then why did you join the forum? :feelsseriously:



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WTF? :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:
You did one of the GrAYest moments in history.
 
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Cope tbh , islam is shit and so is every ideology like the black pill they are not perfect and will make your life a misery


But in islam there is just so much bull shit you can't even cope with it living a shit life full of poverty and resintment , no amount of praying to allah will save you from your demise and misery , if that is true why are the palestinans getting slaughtered and discrimaniated in all the ways imaginable , makes allah seem like a fraud / asshole rather then a just god
 
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Coping with religion in general needs to stop among incels.

"We need to go back to christian patriarchy"

"Someone bring back biblical morals"

Anyone saying this shit has learned nothing regarding the blackpill, and more specifically women's influence and status within societies.

Cope tbh , islam is shit and so is every ideology like the black pill they are not perfect and will make your life a misery

The Black Pill is not an ideology (or at least it shouldn't be). Its simply, "Here's the facts. Oh, and its probably over for you".
 
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I'm not gonna go around reading and replying to every long-ass post on this thread. If there's a specific issue you want me to address, feel free to point it out
Are you retard? then how did you judge that most posts in this thread are full of misinformation without reading them?! you said:
Most of the long ass posts in this thread are full of misinformation to begin with, so you're only gonna misinform yourself:smonk:
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Negroes being present doesn't change the fact that this does not prove the child itself was a Negro
It's a strawman! From the beginning, my argument wasn't that since "the negroes existed in Arabia" then "the child in the story was black". :feelswhat:
you make it seems like the burden of proof is on me when all the people present at the story event admitted that the child is black, but you are the one who plays with semantics and does the mental gymnastics to deny facts.
No, they distinguished themselves based on skin tone, it's just that Ethiopians would naturally be darker than them. This is a Yemeni girl, and you can tell by her skull shape, nose shape, and hair texture that she is a Caucasion and NOT a Negro, yet she would have still been called black back in those days

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Ikr we are talking about the people of Hijaz :feelsjuice:
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Not wanting an innocent woman to be stoned to death is not feminist thinking. And yes, many men do pull stunts like this when they are bored of fucking a woman. Hence why you see all these alpha widows around us.
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then how did you judge that most posts in this thread are full of misinformation without reading them?!
I skimmed over them, and yes, almost eveytthing in this thread is misinformation
all the people present at the story event admitted that the child is black
No, they didn't JFL. Saying someone has black skin does not mean they are a NEGRO
Is this Indian girl a Negro?
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but you are the one who plays with semantics and does the mental gymnastics
No, you are the one not udnerstanding that you can't compare 7th century Arabic termininology to 20th century American terminology.

Pr. Muhammad was called "White" that doesn't mean he was European
Pr. Jeuss was called "Red", that doesn't mean he was a Native American
Likewise, this child being called "Black" does not mean he was an African


Ikr we are talking about the people of Hijaz
First off, we are talking about a Bedouin, and we dont know where this man was from. He could very well have been from anywhere, not just Hejaz. Second, Yemen unironically has light-skinned people than certain parts of the Arabian peninsula due to it having more rainfall/mountains/fertile land. In the Middle East that's how it works.

These are all Yemenis, so you shouldn't go acting like all Yemenis are dark skinned. Posting some Ethiopian migrants doesn't mean much. The man that was talking with the Prophet was not confimred to be a Yemeni anyways

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Finally, here's a collage comparing light brown Yemenis, black Yemenis, and actual Black Negroes.

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I skimmed over them, and yes, almost eveytthing in this thread is misinformation
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your saying "everything in this thread is misinformation" is misleading.
No, they didn't JFL. Saying someone has black skin does not mean they are a NEGRO
Is this Indian girl a Negro?
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No, you are the one not udnerstanding that you can't compare 7th century Arabic termininology to 20th century American terminology.

Pr. Muhammad was called "White" that doesn't mean he was European
Pr. Jeuss was called "Red", that doesn't mean he was a Native American
Likewise, this child being called "Black" does not mean he was an African
First off, we are talking about a Bedouin, and we dont know where this man was from. He could very well have been from anywhere, not just Hejaz. Second, Yemen unironically has light-skinned people than certain parts of the Arabian peninsula due to it having more rainfall/mountains/fertile land. In the Middle East that's how it works.

These are all Yemenis, so you shouldn't go acting like all Yemenis are dark skinned. Posting some Ethiopian migrants doesn't mean much. The man that was talking with the Prophet was not confimred to be a Yemeni anyways

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Finally, here's a collage comparing light brown Yemenis, black Yemenis, and actual Black Negroes.

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JFL at Your desperate attempts for moving the goalposts. From the beginning, the focus of discussion should be on the content of the hadith, which is:
A bedouin came to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said, "My wife has delivered a black boy, and I suspect that he is not my child." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to him, "Have you got camels?" The bedouin said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "What color are they?" The bedouin said, "They are red." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Are any of them Grey?" He said, "There are Grey ones among them." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whence do you think this color came to them?" The bedouin said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! It resulted from hereditary disposition." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "And this (i.e., your child) has inherited his color from his ancestors." The Prophet (ﷺ) did not allow him to deny his paternity of the child. (Bukhari 7314)
But you made the focus of your refutation is the rhetorical title:
Muhammad forces man to raise kid of Tyrone and cheating wife
You helped beat yourself up, actually prove my arguments; if we return to the hadith, we will find that either the child was negro or Indian he still had black skin (enough to worry the father). So what Muhammad was trying to convince us is that couple like:
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are normal to have child like:
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Is this logical?! you really fucking belive in that:feelswhat:.
If the child was like:
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This wouldn't have aroused the suspicion of the poor Bedouin, and that absurd incident wouldn't have occurred. If your prophet was sane, he was supposed to judge on the whore wife but he was simp and you are cucks.

Reminder:
1) I used the pictures of people from Arabia that you brought.
2) you said
First off, we are talking about a Bedouin, and we dont know where this man was from. He could very well have been from anywhere, not just Hejaz.
3) I'm done with arguing with you, I think I've made my argument clear enough for readers to judge.
 
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people also forget in islam foids get bought and sold, a man can have 4 wives and infinite sex slaves. so few rich men can basically soak up the well if they wanted to. that's why there is a large amount of incels under the islam because they simply can't afford to buy a foid
 
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Islam (particularly militant Islam) is the one and only viable threat to the Western/American Globohomo-clownworld order. No other ideology poses any real challenge- not the Blackpill, not "one world one struggle" neo-Bolshevism, not the "alternative/radical" right, not hard-line Conservatism or libertarianism, and certainly not the joke/liberal disaster that is contemporary Christianity. That alone is reason enough for me to support Islam (even though I have no intention on ever converting to the religion).
>the blackpill
>not the only real solution

I've stated before that modern technology and industrial production are the actual causes of the incel crisis that currently plagues the west and the one that will soon plague the world. The blackpill will only grow stronger while traditional religions, based off of irrationality and myths, lose followers. Islam is like Christianity in 1900. Strong, but will soon be reduced to a bad joke in less than a century by industrialization. We can already see this process in the rich oil states, where Islam is essentially equivalent to 1970s Christianity in its cultural power. Other, more industrialized Muslim societies like Indonesia or western Turkey display the same behavior.
 
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>the blackpill
>not the only real solution

I've stated before that modern technology and industrial production are the actual causes of the incel crisis that currently plagues the west and the one that will soon plague the world. The blackpill will only grow stronger while traditional religions, based off of irrationality and myths, lose followers. Islam is like Christianity in 1900. Strong, but will soon be reduced to a bad joke in less than a century by industrialization. We can already see this process in the rich oil states, where Islam is essentially equivalent to 1970s Christianity in its cultural power. Other, more industrialized Muslim societies like Indonesia or western Turkey display the same behavior.
Based post, fully agree.
 
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Islam is the only ideology doing anything to combat female hypergamy

Secularism is cucked, just breeds degeneracy
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1) Islam is a reactionary religion that was established by a group of filthy Bedouins from 14 centuries ago in an unknown desert. Islam doesn't actually materialize unless similar conditions are met for its creation, which is a poor environment and low IQ subhumans. Therefore, Islam produces shitholes and failed states that are not suitable for civilization. Islam rejects science, scientific method, philosophy and critical thinking so always will produce shithole countries. I see any talking about the enforcement of Islam is literally a call to make the prophet of dirt (Muhammad) rules your life from his grave which is cuck ngl.

On the other hand, the blackpill is the pinnacle of our intellectual development and maturity as a human race, especially as males. We Incels in particular (and Manosphere in general) are the normalized extension of global civilization and heirs to the Western civilization. We are an extension of the greats such as Newton, Tesla and Nietzsche not to a decadent chad from the Middle Ages like Muslims.

2) Islam says there are no defects in the human biology {95:4 لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا ٱلْإِنسَـٰنَ فِىٓ أَحْسَنِ تَقْوِيمٍ Indeed, We created humans in the best form. — https://quran.com/95} This contradicts the black pill, science and reality! Allah is liar.
{3:6 هُوَ ٱلَّذِى يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِى ٱلْأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَآءُ ۚ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ He is the One Who shapes you in the wombs of your mothers as He wills. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him— the Almighty, All-Wise. — https://quran.com/3}
Allah says he is the responsible for your Inceldom state.
{3:14 زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ ٱلشَّهَوَٰتِ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ وَٱلْبَنِينَ وَٱلْقَنَـٰطِيرِ ٱلْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ ٱلذَّهَبِ وَٱلْفِضَّةِ وَٱلْخَيْلِ ٱلْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَٱلْأَنْعَـٰمِ وَٱلْحَرْثِ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ مَتَـٰعُ ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا ۖ وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُۥ حُسْنُ ٱلْمَـَٔابِ Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return [i.e., Paradise]. — https://quran.com/3}
He's the bastard responsible for giving us desires we can't fulfill
{"And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought." [Quran 30:21]}
tranquillity, affection and mercy :feelskek:. Hey guys, does that god take about parallel universe?!!

As you see you can't trust that god and its religion. It is not a wise decision to live in a failed state like Afghanistan where you can be attacked by any state where you can't manufacture weapons or build a health care system where you can be killed by Muslim mobs because you didn't go to pray in the mosque.

3) misconceptions about Islam

"women can't work, own property and vote"
It's untrue simplely and even if you believe in the validity of that claim don't forget women have the right to inherit in Islam.
"women don't have rights in Islam"
This is also not true, and I will explain in detail.

I'm going to quote from ordinary avaliable websites. It will show to how much Islam is feminist and how Muslims are simps (try not to puke!)

The Rights of Women in Islam and Some Misconceptions: An Analysis from Bangladesh Perspective
3.1. Inheritance
The pre-Islamic customs relating to succession were biased, vindictive, and unreasonable and in most of the cases violated justice (Akter, Rahman, & Dolon, 2012). Women were treated as property and they were not entitled to inheritance whether as mother or wife or daughter or sister. There was no specific system for cognates and agnates and always males could get preferences. There were established traditions that the nearest male agnates succeeded to the entire estate of the deceased and females and cognates were excluded (Rashid, 2004). Islam ensured the rights of inheritance of women many centuries ago than western countries (Sechzer, 2004). In Islam six classes of persons never deprive from inheritance (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Among these six classes of persons, three classes of persons are male (father, husband and son) and rest three are female (mother, wife and daughter). In Islamic law of inheritance, among twelve sharers (called Quranic sharer whose share is define in Quran) numbers of women are eight (“wife, mother, daughter, son’s daughter, true grandmother, full sister, consanguine sister and uterine sister”) and the numbers of men are four (father, husband, true grandfather and uterine brother) (Haque, 2009). So Islam does not neglect women giving more importance to men.

In case of right of inheritance of a woman as mother three situations may arise. She may be entitle either 1/6 (if the deceased person has a child or son’s child how low so ever or two or more brothers or sisters) or 1/3 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child or not more than one brother and sister) or 1/3 of residue (if the deceased person have wife or husband and father) (4:11). As wife two situations may arise and she may be entitle either 1/4 (if the deceased person have child or son’s child how low so ever) or 1/8 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child) of the property of the deceased. (4:12). As daughter, if only one daughter and no son her share is 1/2 and if two or more daughters and no son their share is 2/3 and if there is son daughter will be residue and each daughter will get half of son. (4:11). Besides this, parents could distribute property equally between a son and a daughter (Khanum, 2008). Islam is the only religion that does not deprive women from their right of inheritance rather ensured right of inheritance of women.

In the pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia the status of women was like slaves who had no rights and dignity. Women would not get share either from parents or spouse as inheritance. But Islam ensures share of women in the property of parents and husband (Rahman, 2008). Regular shape of marriage as we understand at present time was totally absent. There were such types of marriage as may be treated as fornication, prostitution, adultery or polyandry (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Men could marry any number as he like and there were no specific rules in regard to marriage, they could marry even two real sisters at one and at the same time (Rashid, 2004). But in case of marriage, Islam imposes prohibition on account of affinity (prohibition due to marriage relationship). In this respect the Holy Qur’an declares:

“Forbidden for you (to marry) are the mothers of your wives and your step-daughters that are in your laps (in charge of you) through your wives to whom you have gone in; but if you have not gone in to them, then there is no sin upon you (to marry them); and the wives of your sons whom you have begotten.” (4: 23). Husband possessed the power of divorce which was so unlimited and unrestricted that he could divorce his wife whenever he wishes without any lawful ground and could revoked his divorce and divorce again as many times as he favored. He could illogically accuse his wife of falseness, dismiss her and leave her with such infamy as would prevent other suitors; while he himself would go free from any kinds of liability of maintenance or legal punishment. Neither of the wives could get a dower but Islam approves dower as a respect to the wife (Faiz-ud-din, 2003). False charges of unchastely were frequently used for depriving the wife from her right of dower. Her protector could deliver her to any person as he wished. But showing respect to women Islam reformed marriage laws in a sweeping and far-reaching way.

Women were considered as material things and where husband were unable to pay his debt during his life time, after his death his creditor would own his wife as reparation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). Female child were considered an evil omen and fathers were terrified if the new born baby were female. Fathers not only become unhappy when a female child was born but also felt embarrassed. In pre-Islamic Arabia, there was a ridiculous discrimination against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) not only protest to this culture but also ordered to stop it. He showing them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell (Doi, 1992).

Under original Hindu law, women were treated like slave who had no rights of inheritance (Uddin, & Hossain, 2017). If the husband of woman died during her lifetime then she had to burn herself alive when the dead body was cremated (Doi, 1992). Widow had no right to remarry who had to bear intolerable pain in her daily life. In Chinese culture, there were many atrocious customs had to bear a girl. A male child was treated as an immense gift of God but female was an acceptable degradation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). In Greek society, women were treated to be the incarnation of evil and they had no right of inheritance, education, divorce etc. (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). They were considered as material goods who had no feelings and free will. In ancient Rome, cruelties towards women were unbearable. Women had no rights, dignity or honour and the position of the women was like slave (Kabir, 2009). Men had authority to sell her or send her into exile even a husband had power of summarily putting his wife to death for acts like drinking, poisoning and substitution of a spurious child (Doi, 1992). In Jewish society, women were lived without right, dignity and honour. They had no right of inheritance and were considered as an object owned by the male protector.
Islam does not allow the domination of men over women rather it upholds the rights, dignity, honour and status of women by ensuring gender equality and also equality of rights for both male and female in every area of human life. In Islam a woman is completely self-regulating who has legal personality and who is able to enter into contract or can make bequest in her own name. She has right to perform any profession or business and has authority to dispose her property as like as men. She is entitled for inheritance in different capacity like as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has full freedom to select her husband and also allowed to her dower and maintenance. As the command of Islam to the men is to treat with compassion and full respect to their wives, women are respectable and honourable in Islam (Mohammad, & Lehmann, 2011). A women as mother has immense respect in Islam than any other person. The holy Quran in many verses commands Muslims to demonstrate respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they left Islam and are still remain as unbelievers. The prophet (peace be upon him) states insistently that the rights of the mother are supreme (Doi, 1992). In Islam women are most respectable and honorable “if she is a wife, she is life partner, if she is as a mother, the paradise is under the feet of mother, if she is daughter it is blessing of Almighty Allah” (Soomro, & Khuhro, 2018). The different types of rights of women ensured in Islam are:

Women in the Quran and the Sunnah
The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:

Considering the fact that before the advent of Islam the pagan Arabs used to bury their female children alive, make women dance naked in the vicinity of the Ka'ba during their annual fairs, and treat women as mere chattels and objects of sexual pleasure possessing no rights or position whatsoever, these teachings of the Noble Qur'an were revolutionary. Unlike other religions, which regarded women as being possessed of inherent sin and wickedness and men as being possessed of inherent virtue and nobility, Islam regards men and women as being of the same essence created from a single soul. The Qur'an declares:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous khutba on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Hajj al-Wada (Farewell Pilgrimage). In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful:soy: and kind:soy: towards women. He said:

The Prophet's followers accepted his teachings and brought about a revolution in their social attitude towards women. They no longer considered women as a mere chattels, but as an integral part of society. For the first time women were given the right to have a share in inheritance. In the new social climate, women rediscovered themselves and became highly active members of society rendering useful service during the wars which the pagan Arabs forced on the emerging Muslim umma. They carried provisions for the soldiers, nursed them, and even fought alongside them if it was necessary. It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields, carrying on trade and business independently, and going out of their homes to satisfy their needs.


Do women have the right to vote or is it only for men?
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Consulting women was a popular matter during the Prophet’s time and one of these examples is when the Prophet consulted his wife Um Salamah in the truce of Hudaybiyya. Also lady Asmaa bint Abu Bakr gave advice to her son ‘Abdullah ibn al Zubair regarding some legal matters.

Also preventing women from voting implies concealing her knowledge and silencing her advice which is legally impermissible. God says in the Quran, “And [mention, O Muhammad], when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture, [saying], "You must make it clear to the people and not conceal it." But they threw it away behind their backs and exchanged it for a small price. And wretched is that which they purchased.” 3:187 and it is well known that those who were given the Book are both men and women and not solely men. The Prophet (peace be upon him) warned us against concealing our knowledge and Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said in this regard, “Whoever was asked about knowledge and concealed it will be bridled in the Day of Judgment with a bridle from fire”. (Abu Dawud)

Islam gave women their basic rights centuries before the West did
The True Importance of Women in Islam
Women in Islam
If you have free time you can read these extra articles :feelsjuice:
Put down the Qur'an Shlomo, you're not fooling anyone. Back to the synagogue.
 
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1) Islam is a reactionary religion that was established by a group of filthy Bedouins from 14 centuries ago in an unknown desert. Islam doesn't actually materialize unless similar conditions are met for its creation, which is a poor environment and low IQ subhumans. Therefore, Islam produces shitholes and failed states that are not suitable for civilization. Islam rejects science, scientific method, philosophy and critical thinking so always will produce shithole countries. I see any talking about the enforcement of Islam is literally a call to make the prophet of dirt (Muhammad) rules your life from his grave which is cuck ngl.

On the other hand, the blackpill is the pinnacle of our intellectual development and maturity as a human race, especially as males. We Incels in particular (and Manosphere in general) are the normalized extension of global civilization and heirs to the Western civilization. We are an extension of the greats such as Newton, Tesla and Nietzsche not to a decadent chad from the Middle Ages like Muslims.

2) Islam says there are no defects in the human biology {95:4 لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا ٱلْإِنسَـٰنَ فِىٓ أَحْسَنِ تَقْوِيمٍ Indeed, We created humans in the best form. — https://quran.com/95} This contradicts the black pill, science and reality! Allah is liar.
{3:6 هُوَ ٱلَّذِى يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِى ٱلْأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَآءُ ۚ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ He is the One Who shapes you in the wombs of your mothers as He wills. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him— the Almighty, All-Wise. — https://quran.com/3}
Allah says he is the responsible for your Inceldom state.
{3:14 زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ ٱلشَّهَوَٰتِ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ وَٱلْبَنِينَ وَٱلْقَنَـٰطِيرِ ٱلْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ ٱلذَّهَبِ وَٱلْفِضَّةِ وَٱلْخَيْلِ ٱلْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَٱلْأَنْعَـٰمِ وَٱلْحَرْثِ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ مَتَـٰعُ ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا ۖ وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُۥ حُسْنُ ٱلْمَـَٔابِ Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return [i.e., Paradise]. — https://quran.com/3}
He's the bastard responsible for giving us desires we can't fulfill
{"And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought." [Quran 30:21]}
tranquillity, affection and mercy :feelskek:. Hey guys, does that god take about parallel universe?!!

As you see you can't trust that god and its religion. It is not a wise decision to live in a failed state like Afghanistan where you can be attacked by any state where you can't manufacture weapons or build a health care system where you can be killed by Muslim mobs because you didn't go to pray in the mosque.

3) misconceptions about Islam

"women can't work, own property and vote"
It's untrue simplely and even if you believe in the validity of that claim don't forget women have the right to inherit in Islam.
"women don't have rights in Islam"
This is also not true, and I will explain in detail.

I'm going to quote from ordinary avaliable websites. It will show to how much Islam is feminist and how Muslims are simps (try not to puke!)

The Rights of Women in Islam and Some Misconceptions: An Analysis from Bangladesh Perspective
3.1. Inheritance
The pre-Islamic customs relating to succession were biased, vindictive, and unreasonable and in most of the cases violated justice (Akter, Rahman, & Dolon, 2012). Women were treated as property and they were not entitled to inheritance whether as mother or wife or daughter or sister. There was no specific system for cognates and agnates and always males could get preferences. There were established traditions that the nearest male agnates succeeded to the entire estate of the deceased and females and cognates were excluded (Rashid, 2004). Islam ensured the rights of inheritance of women many centuries ago than western countries (Sechzer, 2004). In Islam six classes of persons never deprive from inheritance (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Among these six classes of persons, three classes of persons are male (father, husband and son) and rest three are female (mother, wife and daughter). In Islamic law of inheritance, among twelve sharers (called Quranic sharer whose share is define in Quran) numbers of women are eight (“wife, mother, daughter, son’s daughter, true grandmother, full sister, consanguine sister and uterine sister”) and the numbers of men are four (father, husband, true grandfather and uterine brother) (Haque, 2009). So Islam does not neglect women giving more importance to men.

In case of right of inheritance of a woman as mother three situations may arise. She may be entitle either 1/6 (if the deceased person has a child or son’s child how low so ever or two or more brothers or sisters) or 1/3 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child or not more than one brother and sister) or 1/3 of residue (if the deceased person have wife or husband and father) (4:11). As wife two situations may arise and she may be entitle either 1/4 (if the deceased person have child or son’s child how low so ever) or 1/8 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child) of the property of the deceased. (4:12). As daughter, if only one daughter and no son her share is 1/2 and if two or more daughters and no son their share is 2/3 and if there is son daughter will be residue and each daughter will get half of son. (4:11). Besides this, parents could distribute property equally between a son and a daughter (Khanum, 2008). Islam is the only religion that does not deprive women from their right of inheritance rather ensured right of inheritance of women.

In the pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia the status of women was like slaves who had no rights and dignity. Women would not get share either from parents or spouse as inheritance. But Islam ensures share of women in the property of parents and husband (Rahman, 2008). Regular shape of marriage as we understand at present time was totally absent. There were such types of marriage as may be treated as fornication, prostitution, adultery or polyandry (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Men could marry any number as he like and there were no specific rules in regard to marriage, they could marry even two real sisters at one and at the same time (Rashid, 2004). But in case of marriage, Islam imposes prohibition on account of affinity (prohibition due to marriage relationship). In this respect the Holy Qur’an declares:

“Forbidden for you (to marry) are the mothers of your wives and your step-daughters that are in your laps (in charge of you) through your wives to whom you have gone in; but if you have not gone in to them, then there is no sin upon you (to marry them); and the wives of your sons whom you have begotten.” (4: 23). Husband possessed the power of divorce which was so unlimited and unrestricted that he could divorce his wife whenever he wishes without any lawful ground and could revoked his divorce and divorce again as many times as he favored. He could illogically accuse his wife of falseness, dismiss her and leave her with such infamy as would prevent other suitors; while he himself would go free from any kinds of liability of maintenance or legal punishment. Neither of the wives could get a dower but Islam approves dower as a respect to the wife (Faiz-ud-din, 2003). False charges of unchastely were frequently used for depriving the wife from her right of dower. Her protector could deliver her to any person as he wished. But showing respect to women Islam reformed marriage laws in a sweeping and far-reaching way.

Women were considered as material things and where husband were unable to pay his debt during his life time, after his death his creditor would own his wife as reparation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). Female child were considered an evil omen and fathers were terrified if the new born baby were female. Fathers not only become unhappy when a female child was born but also felt embarrassed. In pre-Islamic Arabia, there was a ridiculous discrimination against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) not only protest to this culture but also ordered to stop it. He showing them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell (Doi, 1992).

Under original Hindu law, women were treated like slave who had no rights of inheritance (Uddin, & Hossain, 2017). If the husband of woman died during her lifetime then she had to burn herself alive when the dead body was cremated (Doi, 1992). Widow had no right to remarry who had to bear intolerable pain in her daily life. In Chinese culture, there were many atrocious customs had to bear a girl. A male child was treated as an immense gift of God but female was an acceptable degradation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). In Greek society, women were treated to be the incarnation of evil and they had no right of inheritance, education, divorce etc. (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). They were considered as material goods who had no feelings and free will. In ancient Rome, cruelties towards women were unbearable. Women had no rights, dignity or honour and the position of the women was like slave (Kabir, 2009). Men had authority to sell her or send her into exile even a husband had power of summarily putting his wife to death for acts like drinking, poisoning and substitution of a spurious child (Doi, 1992). In Jewish society, women were lived without right, dignity and honour. They had no right of inheritance and were considered as an object owned by the male protector.
Islam does not allow the domination of men over women rather it upholds the rights, dignity, honour and status of women by ensuring gender equality and also equality of rights for both male and female in every area of human life. In Islam a woman is completely self-regulating who has legal personality and who is able to enter into contract or can make bequest in her own name. She has right to perform any profession or business and has authority to dispose her property as like as men. She is entitled for inheritance in different capacity like as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has full freedom to select her husband and also allowed to her dower and maintenance. As the command of Islam to the men is to treat with compassion and full respect to their wives, women are respectable and honourable in Islam (Mohammad, & Lehmann, 2011). A women as mother has immense respect in Islam than any other person. The holy Quran in many verses commands Muslims to demonstrate respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they left Islam and are still remain as unbelievers. The prophet (peace be upon him) states insistently that the rights of the mother are supreme (Doi, 1992). In Islam women are most respectable and honorable “if she is a wife, she is life partner, if she is as a mother, the paradise is under the feet of mother, if she is daughter it is blessing of Almighty Allah” (Soomro, & Khuhro, 2018). The different types of rights of women ensured in Islam are:

Women in the Quran and the Sunnah
The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:

Considering the fact that before the advent of Islam the pagan Arabs used to bury their female children alive, make women dance naked in the vicinity of the Ka'ba during their annual fairs, and treat women as mere chattels and objects of sexual pleasure possessing no rights or position whatsoever, these teachings of the Noble Qur'an were revolutionary. Unlike other religions, which regarded women as being possessed of inherent sin and wickedness and men as being possessed of inherent virtue and nobility, Islam regards men and women as being of the same essence created from a single soul. The Qur'an declares:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous khutba on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Hajj al-Wada (Farewell Pilgrimage). In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful:soy: and kind:soy: towards women. He said:

The Prophet's followers accepted his teachings and brought about a revolution in their social attitude towards women. They no longer considered women as a mere chattels, but as an integral part of society. For the first time women were given the right to have a share in inheritance. In the new social climate, women rediscovered themselves and became highly active members of society rendering useful service during the wars which the pagan Arabs forced on the emerging Muslim umma. They carried provisions for the soldiers, nursed them, and even fought alongside them if it was necessary. It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields, carrying on trade and business independently, and going out of their homes to satisfy their needs.


Do women have the right to vote or is it only for men?
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Consulting women was a popular matter during the Prophet’s time and one of these examples is when the Prophet consulted his wife Um Salamah in the truce of Hudaybiyya. Also lady Asmaa bint Abu Bakr gave advice to her son ‘Abdullah ibn al Zubair regarding some legal matters.

Also preventing women from voting implies concealing her knowledge and silencing her advice which is legally impermissible. God says in the Quran, “And [mention, O Muhammad], when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture, [saying], "You must make it clear to the people and not conceal it." But they threw it away behind their backs and exchanged it for a small price. And wretched is that which they purchased.” 3:187 and it is well known that those who were given the Book are both men and women and not solely men. The Prophet (peace be upon him) warned us against concealing our knowledge and Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said in this regard, “Whoever was asked about knowledge and concealed it will be bridled in the Day of Judgment with a bridle from fire”. (Abu Dawud)

Islam gave women their basic rights centuries before the West did
The True Importance of Women in Islam
Women in Islam
If you have free time you can read these extra articles :feelsjuice:
I think true Protestant Christianity (when it worked) was probably more based than Islam could ever be.
 
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islam didn't take the route of "progressing" and "reforming" like christianity did, and if islam did the same course of christianity we would have more soy cucks and western degeneracy in the islamic world.
I remember @BummerDrummer saying this a long time ago, and it’s probably right tbh. The problem is that with Lutheran churches and other types of protestantism, people make up their own rules and interpret the Bible in any which way that they liked. This was not a problem in the Eastern Orthodox regions, so this is a problem that dates back to when the Western Roman Catholic Church split off from the rest of the patriarchies.

Modern religious muslims are dumbfuck retards. Many even think vaccines are haram. There is no hope for muslim nations. I have visited Pakistan and am forever convinced it is a lost cause.
Zakir Naik said you should probably get the vaccines, and the data for its “dangers” isn’t convincing. But he said it is up to you and not haram if you don’t take it.

Shithole thing is correct. Keep coping. Only muslim nations remotely prosperous, have oil shekels. Literally only successful due to resources not hard work.
Yeah I noticed this as well. Many of the Muslims even in western countries just have a bunch of kids and then collects cheques from the government. I wish I could have a religious wife and we just shit out a bunch of kids while living off NEET buck rather than work for the corporation I do now. But no woman would ever want me like this. :fuk:
 
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Islam historically was kind of incel revolution against the Roman and Persian chads. Arabs were just bunch of barbarians who were humiliated by their neighbours until the prophet Muhammad came with a genius ideology to unit them and in few years they took over Persians and romans and changed history for ever during the Islamic golden age, Islam saved ancient knowledge of the Greeks, persians, Indians etc and developed it, many achievements in science, literature, arts, politics etc were under the support of the caliphate like the house of wisdom in Baghdad, many Arabic books were translated into Latin and helped in the birth of the Renaissance.

Islam is more based than the black pill. Islam accepts the fact that everything is about looks that is why it forces women to cover their bodies and forbids men to get interacted with them because approaching women as sub human is death sense that is why in Muslim countries there are specific schools for boys and girls so every generation is safe to not get ER, Islam tells women to accept mem because of their religious values not their looks or money and status that is why in Muslim countries you see ugly men with beautiful women. Islam protects men and gives them the right to express their superiority over women while allows women to express their feminity like modesty, obeying, wifehood etc that is why rites of divorce and suicide are low in Muslim countries, traditional family values still exist etc

[UWSL]The black pill accepts the fact that everything about looks then it gives you some hope by telling you to improve your looks or just cope and rope. Most black pilled are depressed because they can't improve their looks.[/UWSL]

[UWSL]Denying religion as an incel will not solve your problems.[/UWSL]
[UWSL]Only a chad doesn't need religion.[/UWSL]
Nonsense. Islam started in an environment where females were property, and actualy increased their rights with counting them as half males.

Byzantine and Persians on the other hand wasnt even caring about arabic deserts, as these places had no value whatsoever. They also had better laws and governing systems that were more suitable for civilized agrarian societies, hence why Muslims copied these while ruling.

And worst is Islam clearly gives free women to right to choose their husbands and divorce, after that telling them to not choose based on looks is simply ridicilous.
 
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Islam can be Cringe. And only just better than Pagan Chad worship religions. Islam allows Chads to have 4 wives, that's enough to realize it is shit.

Islam hates foids but it also hates incels. No need to cope with it. Those pagan chad worshipping religions are also very retarded and cringe. They don't have any purpose except maintaining chad supremacy
 
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No incel that supports Islam actually believes any of the hocus pocus. I support the spread of Islam because it is the closest organization of men that willingly desire the removal of women's freedom. No autonomy for foids and no Chads fucking my brides. I don't care about the history of it. Just wanna remoove.
 
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As a muslim convert I can confirm from experience that black pill or atheism can never bring internal peace.

Black pill is simply knowledge of how females behave but has no life solutions at all. At best it prescribes copes. But alcohol,drugs, materialism etc etc can never bring internal peace and lasting solutions. After the effects of the copes wear off then it is back to depression and frustration until the next dose of coping is initiated. It leads to endless spirals that end in thoughts of suicide.

My life is gradually is improving through implementing the teachings of Islam. The improvements are to my satisfaction lasting solutions as apposed to copes which I can personally vouch for in saying were temporary.

By the way to be blessed with solutions in Islam an individual cannot just say they are muslim or just read the Quran and expect results. It does not work like that. The individual must actually apply the teachings of the Quran in his life entirely. You cant expect the All-Mighty to intercede if you are not living according to the path set out by the All-Mighty. The Quran clearly states that each individual will be tested and if you quit during the test then no reward for you but through patience which is prescribed in the Quran you will win.

Any way for those who put down Islam all I can say is good luck with atheism and coping. When the buzz of what ever cope you engage in wears off I can garuntee you will beat square one, back in depression, back in hopelessness, back in hell right here on earth. Your own mind becomes a prison and a tormenting hell untill the next coping endused buzz is initiated which inevitably leads to sickness and destruction.

Also people watch online videos and think that the way other people practice Islam is how they should practice it. This is a huge mistake. people should practice it how ever they want to as long as it is within the set out guidelines of the Quran. The more I learnt about Islam the more I realised that those people I was listening to at times didnt even know what they were talking about.
 
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I had to respond because this was an insane thread. The accusation associated with 95:4 was so wild that I couldn't hold myself back.
  1. Islam was reactionary against what? Against polytheistic traditions which worshiped gods that looked like foids? Based. (https://quran.com/53/19-23)
  2. Failed states that started from the Arabian peninsula and went up to Spain and India lmao.
  3. There is a nuance when it comes to science. The revelation is held superior. Science is not seen skeptically if it does not contradict the Quran. Some sciences like medicine are actually encouraged because it benefits people. They are considered a communal obligation.
  4. Islam is not against critical thinking. The Quran itself praises use of reason.(https://quran.com/10:100) The reason behind the disagreements between modern day salafi movement and the classical Ashari school is based on rational argument about the impossibility of God having a body which is a position that Asharis hold (ie; Asharis negate body parts like hand for God).
  5. Islam did have a golden age too.
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I see any talking about the enforcement of Islam is literally a call to make the prophet of dirt (Muhammad) rules your life from his grave.
I do not disagree much here apart from the blasphemous bit. I consider it as God's rules and not something he himself made up, but that is not the point of contention here. As you have seen with regard to women, it is worth following them.
  1. Fun fact: Newton was very much a monotheist like Muslims.
  2. This is what compelled me to respond. a) The word “ أَحْسَنِ” (in this context, best) involves comparison. How can that mean perfection? b) The next two verses state apart from those who believe and do righteous deeds, they were returned to the lowest of low. As you can see, there is not much biological difference between a Muslim and say an ex-Muslim atheist. So how does it make sense to believe it is talking of biological perfection?
  3. Yes. Allah did put you in a state of inceldom. This is a tough test. But I have said this before and I say this again. These foids are nothing. Heavenly virgins are the real deal. (https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:1651 , https://quran.com/78:31/tafsirs/en-tafisr-ibn-kathir)
  4. There are also supplications in the Quran seeking wife and children. Eg: a) رَبَّنَا هَبْ لَنَا مِنْ أَزْوَٰجِنَا وَذُرِّيَّـٰتِنَا قُرَّةَ أَعْيُنٍ وَٱجْعَلْنَا لِلْمُتَّقِينَ إِمَامًا (Our Lord, grant us from among our wives and offspring comfort to our eyes and make us a leader [i.e., example] for the righteous.) https://quran.com/25/74 b)رَبِّ إِنِّى لِمَآ أَنزَلْتَ إِلَىَّ مِنْ خَيْرٍ فَقِيرٌ (My Lord, indeed I am, for whatever good You would send down to me, in need.) https://quran.com/28/24
  5. I admit, 30:21 is a verse I find hard to swallow, but you do find a lot of couples who are happy with each other, who have love and mercy for each other, who find comfort in each other. This is a general statement. This does not apply to us.
  6. The articles are responding to criticisms of Islam being misogynistic and thus present only one side of the story. Also, there are some simp Imams. You should refer to Daniel Haqiqatjou and his muslimskeptic website. He speaks against this phenomenon.
  7. Women can work, but they require the permission of their husbands to go out to work! They can prevent them from leaving the house. So, why are you afraid?
  8. Women can own property, but how does it harm us? Also, men generally have an advantage when it comes to inheritance because generally people have kids before they die and the share of a son is twice the share of a daughter. Not much goes to others if the deceased has kids. Also, one of the four schools of jurisprudence requires the husband’s consent if she wants to donate over a third of her property as charity.
  9. Some schools of law grant a virgin woman’s father the right to force her into a marriage under certain conditions.
  10. The only education Islam recognizes as someone’s right is that of learning Islam. Extensive schooling in the Muslim world is a result of outside influences. It makes sense to restrict foids to learning Islam alone which teaches them to be submissive wives.
  11. Oppression and ill treatment does not have the same meaning in Islam as it does to feminists!
  12. That single soul is that of Adam(PBUH), a man!
  13. “It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields” Is that not a positive? Is that not what women should be doing? Assisting their men?
  14. Seeking an opinion does not mean acting on it! The ultimate authority is still with men. This is not like voting where they can force an opinion if they get the support of the majority. And they need certain qualifications for their opinions to be sought. Not every foid has a say. Umm Salamah(RA) was a wife of the prophet. Asmaa bint Abu Bakr(RA) was a companion of the prophet and hence a righteous Muslim woman, she advised none but her own son. It is not like the west where foids can decide whatever they want! They can not act as anything more than transmitters of legal knowledge which is based on the Quran and the prophetic tradition.
  15. The 5 daily prayers offer a great opportunity to cope though. You say “God is the greatest”, “Praise be to my Lord, the Supreme”, “Praise be to my Lord, the Most High” etc. These foids are nothing. They are just dirt. But, Allah is the greatest and the supreme and it makes more sense to pursue his approval than that of random foids.
  16. There was never a disagreement about the verses of the Quran. It was only the reading that differed, and it isn’t much. They were all valid. (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2419)
  17. The hadiths were transmitted mainly orally, however, some did have written copies from even among the prophet’s companions. Also, hadiths are verified through a thorough scrutinizing process.
  18. Islam permits marriage on attaining puberty, it is because the Muslims have been corrupted by outside influences that it isn’t happening much anymore and people are being sexually repressed.
  19. Those Muslim nations getting rich out of nowhere in spite of not doing much research is an example of the divine favour on Muslims.
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what I find interesting is that about 90% of those scholars are not Arabs, but their roots go back to non-Islamic or Arabic civilizations and cultures, especially the Persians, who are considered one of the biggest contributors to the achievements.
Someone being non-Arab has no effect on his Islam. Islam is not a religion of the Arabs. Even scholars like Abu Hanifa (the founder of the Hanafi school of Islamic law) and Al-Ghazali were persian. Are you going to attribute their contributions to Persian culture?

27. A man can accuse his wife of adultery without 4 witnesses. He simply has to swear 4 times against her and invoke God’s curse on him if he is a liar. The woman can deny it, but she has to do a similar cursing and invokes God’s wrath on her if her husband was truthful. This denial ends in a divorce that makes it unlawful for them to ever marry again. (https://quran.com/24/6-9) A woman can’t accuse her husband like that. The law against slander applies to both slandering men and women, it encompasses accusing a man of gay sex too if I am not wrong. There are however nuances associated with rape, but false accusers are always cursed and will be humilated in the next world, God willing.
28. Islam does not give women free access to divorce unless there are compelling reasons. She has to buy a divorce from her husband.
 

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