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Serious Explaining why BlackPill is better than Islam and how Islam is not based as you thought, so the coping with Islam in this forum should be stopped!

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1) Islam is a reactionary religion that was established by a group of filthy Bedouins from 14 centuries ago in an unknown desert. Islam doesn't actually materialize unless similar conditions are met for its creation, which is a poor environment and low IQ subhumans. Therefore, Islam produces shitholes and failed states that are not suitable for civilization. Islam rejects science, scientific method, philosophy and critical thinking so always will produce shithole countries. I see any talking about the enforcement of Islam is literally a call to make the prophet of dirt (Muhammad) rules your life from his grave which is cuck ngl.

On the other hand, the blackpill is the pinnacle of our intellectual development and maturity as a human race, especially as males. We Incels in particular (and Manosphere in general) are the normalized extension of global civilization and heirs to the Western civilization. We are an extension of the greats such as Newton, Tesla and Nietzsche not to a decadent chad from the Middle Ages like Muslims.

2) Islam says there are no defects in the human biology {95:4 لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا ٱلْإِنسَـٰنَ فِىٓ أَحْسَنِ تَقْوِيمٍ Indeed, We created humans in the best form. — https://quran.com/95} This contradicts the black pill, science and reality! Allah is liar.
{3:6 هُوَ ٱلَّذِى يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِى ٱلْأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَآءُ ۚ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ He is the One Who shapes you in the wombs of your mothers as He wills. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him— the Almighty, All-Wise. — https://quran.com/3}
Allah says he is the responsible for your Inceldom state.
{3:14 زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ ٱلشَّهَوَٰتِ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ وَٱلْبَنِينَ وَٱلْقَنَـٰطِيرِ ٱلْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ ٱلذَّهَبِ وَٱلْفِضَّةِ وَٱلْخَيْلِ ٱلْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَٱلْأَنْعَـٰمِ وَٱلْحَرْثِ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ مَتَـٰعُ ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا ۖ وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُۥ حُسْنُ ٱلْمَـَٔابِ Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return [i.e., Paradise]. — https://quran.com/3}
He's the bastard responsible for giving us desires we can't fulfill
{"And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought." [Quran 30:21]}
tranquillity, affection and mercy :feelskek:. Hey guys, does that god take about parallel universe?!!

As you see you can't trust that god and its religion. It is not a wise decision to live in a failed state like Afghanistan where you can be attacked by any state where you can't manufacture weapons or build a health care system where you can be killed by Muslim mobs because you didn't go to pray in the mosque.

3) misconceptions about Islam

"women can't work, own property and vote"
It's untrue simplely and even if you believe in the validity of that claim don't forget women have the right to inherit in Islam.
"women don't have rights in Islam"
This is also not true, and I will explain in detail.

I'm going to quote from ordinary avaliable websites. It will show to how much Islam is feminist and how Muslims are simps (try not to puke!)

The Rights of Women in Islam and Some Misconceptions: An Analysis from Bangladesh Perspective
3.1. Inheritance
The pre-Islamic customs relating to succession were biased, vindictive, and unreasonable and in most of the cases violated justice (Akter, Rahman, & Dolon, 2012). Women were treated as property and they were not entitled to inheritance whether as mother or wife or daughter or sister. There was no specific system for cognates and agnates and always males could get preferences. There were established traditions that the nearest male agnates succeeded to the entire estate of the deceased and females and cognates were excluded (Rashid, 2004). Islam ensured the rights of inheritance of women many centuries ago than western countries (Sechzer, 2004). In Islam six classes of persons never deprive from inheritance (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Among these six classes of persons, three classes of persons are male (father, husband and son) and rest three are female (mother, wife and daughter). In Islamic law of inheritance, among twelve sharers (called Quranic sharer whose share is define in Quran) numbers of women are eight (“wife, mother, daughter, son’s daughter, true grandmother, full sister, consanguine sister and uterine sister”) and the numbers of men are four (father, husband, true grandfather and uterine brother) (Haque, 2009). So Islam does not neglect women giving more importance to men.

In case of right of inheritance of a woman as mother three situations may arise. She may be entitle either 1/6 (if the deceased person has a child or son’s child how low so ever or two or more brothers or sisters) or 1/3 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child or not more than one brother and sister) or 1/3 of residue (if the deceased person have wife or husband and father) (4:11). As wife two situations may arise and she may be entitle either 1/4 (if the deceased person have child or son’s child how low so ever) or 1/8 (if the deceased person do not have any child or son’s child) of the property of the deceased. (4:12). As daughter, if only one daughter and no son her share is 1/2 and if two or more daughters and no son their share is 2/3 and if there is son daughter will be residue and each daughter will get half of son. (4:11). Besides this, parents could distribute property equally between a son and a daughter (Khanum, 2008). Islam is the only religion that does not deprive women from their right of inheritance rather ensured right of inheritance of women.

In the pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia the status of women was like slaves who had no rights and dignity. Women would not get share either from parents or spouse as inheritance. But Islam ensures share of women in the property of parents and husband (Rahman, 2008). Regular shape of marriage as we understand at present time was totally absent. There were such types of marriage as may be treated as fornication, prostitution, adultery or polyandry (Faiz-ud-din, 2008). Men could marry any number as he like and there were no specific rules in regard to marriage, they could marry even two real sisters at one and at the same time (Rashid, 2004). But in case of marriage, Islam imposes prohibition on account of affinity (prohibition due to marriage relationship). In this respect the Holy Qur’an declares:

“Forbidden for you (to marry) are the mothers of your wives and your step-daughters that are in your laps (in charge of you) through your wives to whom you have gone in; but if you have not gone in to them, then there is no sin upon you (to marry them); and the wives of your sons whom you have begotten.” (4: 23). Husband possessed the power of divorce which was so unlimited and unrestricted that he could divorce his wife whenever he wishes without any lawful ground and could revoked his divorce and divorce again as many times as he favored. He could illogically accuse his wife of falseness, dismiss her and leave her with such infamy as would prevent other suitors; while he himself would go free from any kinds of liability of maintenance or legal punishment. Neither of the wives could get a dower but Islam approves dower as a respect to the wife (Faiz-ud-din, 2003). False charges of unchastely were frequently used for depriving the wife from her right of dower. Her protector could deliver her to any person as he wished. But showing respect to women Islam reformed marriage laws in a sweeping and far-reaching way.

Women were considered as material things and where husband were unable to pay his debt during his life time, after his death his creditor would own his wife as reparation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). Female child were considered an evil omen and fathers were terrified if the new born baby were female. Fathers not only become unhappy when a female child was born but also felt embarrassed. In pre-Islamic Arabia, there was a ridiculous discrimination against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) not only protest to this culture but also ordered to stop it. He showing them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell (Doi, 1992).

Under original Hindu law, women were treated like slave who had no rights of inheritance (Uddin, & Hossain, 2017). If the husband of woman died during her lifetime then she had to burn herself alive when the dead body was cremated (Doi, 1992). Widow had no right to remarry who had to bear intolerable pain in her daily life. In Chinese culture, there were many atrocious customs had to bear a girl. A male child was treated as an immense gift of God but female was an acceptable degradation (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). In Greek society, women were treated to be the incarnation of evil and they had no right of inheritance, education, divorce etc. (Saifee, Baloach, Sultan, & Khalid, 2012). They were considered as material goods who had no feelings and free will. In ancient Rome, cruelties towards women were unbearable. Women had no rights, dignity or honour and the position of the women was like slave (Kabir, 2009). Men had authority to sell her or send her into exile even a husband had power of summarily putting his wife to death for acts like drinking, poisoning and substitution of a spurious child (Doi, 1992). In Jewish society, women were lived without right, dignity and honour. They had no right of inheritance and were considered as an object owned by the male protector.
Islam does not allow the domination of men over women rather it upholds the rights, dignity, honour and status of women by ensuring gender equality and also equality of rights for both male and female in every area of human life. In Islam a woman is completely self-regulating who has legal personality and who is able to enter into contract or can make bequest in her own name. She has right to perform any profession or business and has authority to dispose her property as like as men. She is entitled for inheritance in different capacity like as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has full freedom to select her husband and also allowed to her dower and maintenance. As the command of Islam to the men is to treat with compassion and full respect to their wives, women are respectable and honourable in Islam (Mohammad, & Lehmann, 2011). A women as mother has immense respect in Islam than any other person. The holy Quran in many verses commands Muslims to demonstrate respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they left Islam and are still remain as unbelievers. The prophet (peace be upon him) states insistently that the rights of the mother are supreme (Doi, 1992). In Islam women are most respectable and honorable “if she is a wife, she is life partner, if she is as a mother, the paradise is under the feet of mother, if she is daughter it is blessing of Almighty Allah” (Soomro, & Khuhro, 2018). The different types of rights of women ensured in Islam are:

Women in the Quran and the Sunnah
The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:
O you who believe! You are forbidden
to inherit women against their will.
Nor should you treat them with harshness,
that you may take away part of the dowry
you have given them - except when
they have become guilty of open lewdness.
On the contrary live with them
on a footing of kindness and equity.
If you take a dislike to them,
it may be that you dislike something
and Allah will bring about through it
a great deal of good. (4:19)
Considering the fact that before the advent of Islam the pagan Arabs used to bury their female children alive, make women dance naked in the vicinity of the Ka'ba during their annual fairs, and treat women as mere chattels and objects of sexual pleasure possessing no rights or position whatsoever, these teachings of the Noble Qur'an were revolutionary. Unlike other religions, which regarded women as being possessed of inherent sin and wickedness and men as being possessed of inherent virtue and nobility, Islam regards men and women as being of the same essence created from a single soul. The Qur'an declares:
O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from this pair scattered (like seeds) countless men and women. Reverence Allah, through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and reverence the wombs (that bore you); for Allah ever watches over you. (4:1)
The Prophet (peace be upon him) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous khutba on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Hajj al-Wada (Farewell Pilgrimage). In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful:soy: and kind:soy: towards women. He said:
"Fear Allah regarding women. Verily you have married them with the trust of Allah, and made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have got (rights) over them, and they have got (rights) over you in respect of their food and clothing according to your means.":feelsaww:
The Prophet's followers accepted his teachings and brought about a revolution in their social attitude towards women. They no longer considered women as a mere chattels, but as an integral part of society. For the first time women were given the right to have a share in inheritance. In the new social climate, women rediscovered themselves and became highly active members of society rendering useful service during the wars which the pagan Arabs forced on the emerging Muslim umma. They carried provisions for the soldiers, nursed them, and even fought alongside them if it was necessary. It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields, carrying on trade and business independently, and going out of their homes to satisfy their needs.

Do women have the right to vote or is it only for men?
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Consulting women was a popular matter during the Prophet’s time and one of these examples is when the Prophet consulted his wife Um Salamah in the truce of Hudaybiyya. Also lady Asmaa bint Abu Bakr gave advice to her son ‘Abdullah ibn al Zubair regarding some legal matters.

Also preventing women from voting implies concealing her knowledge and silencing her advice which is legally impermissible. God says in the Quran, “And [mention, O Muhammad], when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture, [saying], "You must make it clear to the people and not conceal it." But they threw it away behind their backs and exchanged it for a small price. And wretched is that which they purchased.” 3:187 and it is well known that those who were given the Book are both men and women and not solely men. The Prophet (peace be upon him) warned us against concealing our knowledge and Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said in this regard, “Whoever was asked about knowledge and concealed it will be bridled in the Day of Judgment with a bridle from fire”. (Abu Dawud)


Islam gave women their basic rights centuries before the West did
The True Importance of Women in Islam
Women in Islam
If you have free time you can read these extra articles :feelsjuice:
 
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This nigga deadass read through the whole quran to make this thread

You have my respect :feelsYall:
 
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Allah tier thread.
I left Islam, a fantasy, and now I've been enlightened by reality. The blackpill.
 
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tbh in makes no sense what you are saying considering that there is indeed a rationalist tradition of Islam that derives from the Golden Age influenced by Plato and Aristotle. Avicenna and Averroes are perfect examples of this, of course, this tradition is mitigated by fundamentalist. Moreover not all islamic societies are necessarily "shitholes". Also, Nietzsche praised islam due to its warrior-like spirit.
 
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IncelCatechumen said:
Moreover not all islamic societies are necessarily "shitholes".
islam didn't take the route of "progressing" and "reforming" like christianity did, and if islam did the same course of christianity we would have more soy cucks and western degeneracy in the islamic world.
gymletethnicel said:
Allah tier thread.
I left Islam, a fantasy, and now I've been enlightened by reality. The blackpill.
 
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Black Soul said:
. Islam rejects science, scientific method, philosophy and critical thinking so always will produce shithole countries.
This is simply so wrong
 
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The only thing Islam gets right is women, everything else they practice is low iq and pointless
 
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WØLF said:
This nigga deadass read through the whole quran to make this thread

You have my respect :feelsYall:
Thanks a lot, I appreciate that.
gymletethnicel said:
Allah tier thread.
I left Islam, a fantasy, and now I've been enlightened by reality. The blackpill.
you did the right thing.
IncelCatechumen said:
tbh in makes no sense what you are saying considering that there is indeed a rationalist tradition of Islam that derives from the Golden Age influenced by Plato and Aristotle.
the Golden Age "of thought" which had continued nearly one century (From the third to the fourth century AH). I think that Muslims exaggerate the value of this period, especially when you know that Aristotelian logic was used to employ it religiously (Islamic jurisprudence). the reason why Islamic clerics dealt with philosophy is to argue with the conquered peoples after the expansion of the Islamic conquests. What happened after the end of the alleged era? Philosophers and philosophical works were banned because of Al-Ghazali, Ibn Taymiyyah, and other clerics.
IncelCatechumen said:
Avicenna and Averroes are perfect examples of this
The two were accused of heresy during their lives. You must know that their achievements and other Islamic scholars and thinkers are due to their own effort and personal talent and not to anything intrinsic in the doctrine of religion or the Islamic political system at that time.
IncelCatechumen said:
Nietzsche praised islam due to its warrior-like spirit.
"warrior-like spirit" lmao, wtf that should mean?!
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This is simply so wrong
let me guess you are not Muslim or Arabic and you think you know more than me :feelsugh:
 
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Black Soul said:
let me guess you are not Muslim or Arabic and you think you know more than me :feelsugh:
1 you can be Asian or white and be more muslim than and Arab
2 Knowing history has nothing to do with your origins
 
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Christianity isn't white/european people's religion either, for that matter. It was forced onto us by some retarded Roman emperor who couldn't predict consequences of his actions.
 
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Black Soul said:
the Golden Age "of thought" which had continued nearly one century (From the third to the fourth century AH). I think that Muslims exaggerate the value of this period, especially when you know that Aristotelian logic was used to employ it religiously (Islamic jurisprudence). the reason why Islamic clerics dealt with philosophy is to argue with the conquered peoples after the expansion of the Islamic conquests. What happened after the end of the alleged era? Philosophers and philosophical works were banned because of Al-Ghazali, Ibn Taymiyyah, and other clerics.

I agree, i´m just wondering if there could be a revival of such tradition
 
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Islam never was based.



Early European barbarian kingdoms were based.


 
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Wow, i didnt expect this.
Good reading.
Its true that after the Afghan situation there are many people here a little too enthusiastic about islam. Calling Afghanistan an incel state and shit like that. The truth is that besides the way that muslims nowadays treat their women compared with how we treat them, there is nothing of value in Islam. I mean, its pretty cool to see radical muslims petting foids back to their natural behaviour, but thats all that is worth of the whole religion. The rest is the most low-IQ shit you can imagine.

You literally must be mentally handicapped to believe that mess. People during Muhammeds time literally mocked him and his followers because of their unsurpassed stupidity, and the only way the religion could be established was through war, terror, violence and lies. Its probably the most retarded, evil and oppressive religion ever. As an atheist and a free thinker, i would be jailed or killed in almost every muslim country.

Im just gonna leave this here: View: https://youtu.be/uQBgrUObbHw
 
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Giga IQ thread. Mashallah!
 
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Islam is expected to be a dead religion in a century: most of my generation have little belief in it here in the west, so as these muslim world modernizes, people will question their faith and the reformer muslims will probably have gay imams just like the Catholics.:feelskek:
 
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Islam is not a religion but an ideology. And it's a radical ideology as well. They are a great treat to western culture if and if it prevails we will all go back to the dark ages
 
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Cybersex is our hope said:
1 you can be Asian or white and be more muslim than and Arab
2 Knowing history has nothing to do with your origins
This is simply so wrong :feelsjuice:
slavcel11 said:
Christianity isn't white/european people's religion either, for that matter. It was forced onto us by some retarded Roman emperor who couldn't predict consequences of his actions.
My condolences, sometimes I wonder how many better historical paths our species could have taken :feelsbadman:
IncelCatechumen said:
I agree, i´m just wondering if there could be a revival of such tradition
Improbable!
 
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Islam historically was kind of incel revolution against the Roman and Persian chads. Arabs were just bunch of barbarians who were humiliated by their neighbours until the prophet Muhammad came with a genius ideology to unit them and in few years they took over Persians and romans and changed history for ever during the Islamic golden age, Islam saved ancient knowledge of the Greeks, persians, Indians etc and developed it, many achievements in science, literature, arts, politics etc were under the support of the caliphate like the house of wisdom in Baghdad, many Arabic books were translated into Latin and helped in the birth of the Renaissance.

Islam is more based than the black pill. Islam accepts the fact that everything is about looks that is why it forces women to cover their bodies and forbids men to get interacted with them because approaching women as sub human is death sense that is why in Muslim countries there are specific schools for boys and girls so every generation is safe to not get ER, Islam tells women to accept mem because of their religious values not their looks or money and status that is why in Muslim countries you see ugly men with beautiful women. Islam protects men and gives them the right to express their superiority over women while allows women to express their feminity like modesty, obeying, wifehood etc that is why rites of divorce and suicide are low in Muslim countries, traditional family values still exist etc

The black pill accepts the fact that everything about looks then it gives you some hope by telling you to improve your looks or just cope and rope. Most black pilled are depressed because they can't improve their looks.

Denying religion as an incel will not solve your problems.
Only a chad doesn't need religion.
 
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JFL at the amount of straw clutching. The blackpill isn't codified or agreed upon. There is no text or "book of blackpill" for referall. Islamists have overrun entire countries and governments and is the only legitimate challenge to the western degeneracy. Its a fight against these degenerates and the mountain of Islam has a better chance than the Mole hill of blackpill.
 
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IncelCatechumen said:
tbh in makes no sense what you are saying considering that there is indeed a rationalist tradition of Islam that derives from the Golden Age influenced by Plato and Aristotle. Avicenna and Averroes are perfect examples of this, of course, this tradition is mitigated by fundamentalist. Moreover not all islamic societies are necessarily "shitholes". Also, Nietzsche praised islam due to its warrior-like spirit.

The importance of islam thought in the western tradition has been incredibly exagerated in the official western history of philosophy. I live in Spain, and i studied philosophy, so we had to study every single muslim thinker out there. Trust me, from AlFarabi to Averroes, the whole intellectual quest that took like 400 years just did ONE THING: translating and understanding Aristotle. Thats all. Literally no new ideas, im not kidding. Even modern muslim philosophers recognize that there is literally nothing new in the whole "muslim intelectual tradition" (like Mohamed Abed Yabri). The whole enterprise achieved what a single dude during a lifetime achieved in the christian context (im talking about Alberto Magno): understanding Aristotle.

There are so many reasons to reject that the muslim philosophical thought has ANY value that i could write a fucking book, im not kidding: muslims are the ONLY civilization that aborted their philosophical and scientifical renaissance. Literally anything that was written and has any scientific value during the muslim golden age was written by people that were forced to convert to islam. Muslims want to attach those names to Islam but its obvious that if there was any kind of rational thought during the golden age was DESPITE of islam, no thanks to it. Islam is the only religion that, at its core, completely rejects rational autonomy. All the "schools of thought" that developed during the golden age are beyond retarded, and nobody takes them serious to this day: determinism, fatalism, etc. Also, calling them schools of thought is itself retarded, because they were just scholastic, that means, using (a little bit of) philosophy to defend the core doctrines of islam (that are, as i said, deeply irrational). The two muslims philosophers you mention were born at the end of the golden age, in the only place where you could still read anything other than the quran: Al-andalus. This is so because the gradual rejection of science and philosophy began in the east and ended in the west, due to its absolutely incompatibility with free thinking, rational thought and critique. What you call fundamentalist are just regular muslims, the ones that were at the beggining and the ones that exist today. What you call "golden age" (again, exagerated by official western historiography, i would call it an iron age kek) is just a glimpse of the muslim tradition into the real world, and their rejection of it. Thats all.
I could continue, but explaining this kind of things is literally my work and im on holidays.

Nietzsche is so overrated... Some of his ideas are ok, most of them are delusional. He overcompensated his weakness by designing a whole philosophical system dedicated entirely to worship the Chad that he never was. Its impossible to take serious most of what he writes, because its obvious that he is only trying to sound edgy in the way that you sound edgy in the XIX century. I could continue... but you know the deal.
 
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<human said:
The only thing Islam gets right is women, everything else they practice is low iq and pointless
 
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IncelCatechumen said:
tbh in makes no sense what you are saying considering that there is indeed a rationalist tradition of Islam that derives from the Golden Age influenced by Plato and Aristotle. Avicenna and Averroes are perfect examples of this, of course, this tradition is mitigated by fundamentalist. Moreover not all islamic societies are necessarily "shitholes". Also, Nietzsche praised islam due to its warrior-like spirit.
keep fucking coping while chaddam fucks his 4 wives
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JFL at the amount of straw clutching. The blackpill isn't codified or agreed upon. There is no text or "book of blackpill" for referall. Islamists have overrun entire countries and governments and is the only legitimate challenge to the western degeneracy. Its a fight against these degenerates and the mountain of Islam has a better chance than the Mole hill of blackpill.

bullshit. the philosophy o the blackpill is the only true and good guide a low smv male should follow. everything else is cope. you can still believe in god or allah of course. but it wont explain to you why women chose oother men/ women/ animals over you.
 
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Wow, i didnt expect this.
Good reading.
Its true that after the Afghan situation there are many people here a little too enthusiastic about islam. Calling Afghanistan an incel state and shit like that. The truth is that besides the way that muslims nowadays treat their women compared with how we treat them, there is nothing of value in Islam. I mean, its pretty cool to see radical muslims petting foids back to their natural behaviour, but thats all that is worth of the whole religion. The rest is the most low-IQ shit you can imagine.
Tera High IQ, All Incels should take your points seriously and not only blindly admiring to a low-value dogma that will harm more than benefit him.
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You literally must be mentally handicapped to believe that mess. People during Muhammeds time literally mocked him and his followers because of their unsurpassed stupidity, and the only way the religion could be established was through war, terror, violence and lies. Its probably the most retarded, evil and oppressive religion ever.
Unironically, that happened :feelshaha:
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Islam historically was kind of incel revolution
If this is true, then it means that you are turning the "Incel revolution" into a general historical phenomenon that we can call many historical events such as the rise of the Mongols or the slave revolt or any similar secondary event. This is a mistake in thinking imo.
Mahmood-Silver said:
Islam is more based than the black pill.
You tried to prove it, but you failed miserably in constructing a coherent argument.
Mahmood-Silver said:
approaching women as sub human is death sense
Idk, what that should mean?
Mahmood-Silver said:
why it forces women to cover their bodies and forbids men to get interacted with them because approaching women as sub human is death sense
why?
Mahmood-Silver said:
Islam accepts the fact that everything is about looks
proof?
Mahmood-Silver said:
Islam tells women to accept mem because of their religious values not their looks or money and status
It is impossible for "religious value" to be a criterion!
Mahmood-Silver said:
The black pill accepts the fact that everything about looks then it gives you some hope by telling you to improve your looks or just cope and rope. Most black pilled are depressed because they can't improve their looks.
These are not defects in the blackpill.
It is the world's fault and the failure of society.
 
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tbh in makes no sense what you are saying considering that there is indeed a rationalist tradition of Islam that derives from the Golden Age influenced by Plato and Aristotle. Avicenna and Averroes are perfect examples of this, of course, this tradition is mitigated by fundamentalist. Moreover not all islamic societies are necessarily "shitholes". Also, Nietzsche praised islam due to its warrior-like spirit.
Cope all true Islamic societies are shitholes, especially in 2021
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The only thing Islam gets right is women, everything else they practice is low iq and pointless
Agreed, I especially detest the gay nigger 5 times prayer, the moon calendar, the gay nigger rammadan bullshit, the fact you can only pray in Arabic (saudi arab supremacist bullshit religion).
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Islam is expected to be a dead religion in a century: most of my generation have little belief in it here in the west, so as these muslim world modernizes, people will question their faith and the reformer muslims will probably have gay imams just like the Catholics.:feelskek:
Big truth
Cybersex is our hope said:
1 you can be Asian or white and be more muslim than and Arab
2 Knowing history has nothing to do with your origins
Cope you can't. Only retarded non arabs would dedicate their lives to studying this Arab supremacist moon worshipping bullshit.
Extreme dumb fuck trait
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Allah tier thread.
I left Islam, a fantasy, and now I've been enlightened by reality. The blackpill.
Islam is a good delusional cope for many but for those of us who have seen behind the facade of society. There no turning back. We are forever different. I cannot Allah cope, no matter how hard I try.
 
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This is simply so wrong

I would LOVE to see you proving thats wrong.
 
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I would LOVE to see you proving thats wrong.
The shit hole thing
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This is simply so wrong :feelsjuice:
No this is simply common sense
 
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let me guess you are not Muslim or Arabic and you think you know more than me
lol sorry
You probably know better than me. I cant even read arabic
 
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Islam (particularly militant Islam) is the one and only viable threat to the Western/American Globohomo-clownworld order. No other ideology poses any real challenge- not the Blackpill, not "one world one struggle" neo-Bolshevism, not the "alternative/radical" right, not hard-line Conservatism or libertarianism, and certainly not the joke/liberal disaster that is contemporary Christianity. That alone is reason enough for me to support Islam (even though I have no intention on ever converting to the religion).
 
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Cybersex is our hope said:
The shit hole thing

No this is simply common sense
Shithole thing is correct. Keep coping. Only muslim nations remotely prosperous, have oil shekels. Literally only successful due to resources not hard work.
 
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The shit hole thing

You said that "Islam rejects science, scientific method, philosophy and critical thinking so always will produce shithole countries" is false. Prove it.
Give me one quote from the quran that encourages humans to study sciences and philosophy, use the scientific method.... to know the world we live in.
Give me the name of a single muslim country that is richer, more peaceful, that has more freedom of thought and expression... than any western country.
 
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Islam (particularly militant Islam) is the one and only viable threat to the Western/American Globohomo-clownworld order. No other ideology poses any real challenge- not the Blackpill, not "one world one struggle" neo-Bolshevism, not the "alternative/radical" right, not hard-line Conservatism or libertarianism, and certainly not the joke/liberal disaster that is contemporary Christianity. That alone is reason enough for me to support Islam (even though I have no intention on ever converting to the religion).
Globo homo already won, no point in wasting mental energy on hating on it. Just best to accept fate and play video games.
 
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JFL at the amount of straw clutching. The blackpill isn't codified or agreed upon. There is no text or "book of blackpill" for referall. Islamists have overrun entire countries and governments and is the only legitimate challenge to the western degeneracy. Its a fight against these degenerates and the mountain of Islam has a better chance than the Mole hill of blackpill.
 
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The importance of islam thought in the western tradition has been incredibly exagerated in the official western history of philosophy. I live in Spain, and i studied philosophy, so we had to study every single muslim thinker out there. Trust me, from AlFarabi to Averroes, the whole intellectual quest that took like 400 years just did ONE THING: translating and understanding Aristotle. Thats all. Literally no new ideas, im not kidding. Even modern muslim philosophers recognize that there is literally nothing new in the whole "muslim intelectual tradition" (like Mohamed Abed Yabri). The whole enterprise achieved what a single dude during a lifetime achieved in the christian context (im talking about Alberto Magno): understanding Aristotle.

There are so many reasons to reject that the muslim philosophical thought has ANY value that i could write a fucking book, im not kidding: muslims are the ONLY civilization that aborted their philosophical and scientifical renaissance. Literally anything that was written and has any scientific value during the muslim golden age was written by people that were forced to convert to islam. Muslims want to attach those names to Islam but its obvious that if there was any kind of rational thought during the golden age was DESPITE of islam, no thanks to it. Islam is the only religion that, at its core, completely rejects rational autonomy. All the "schools of thought" that developed during the golden age are beyond retarded, and nobody takes them serious to this day: determinism, fatalism, etc. Also, calling them schools of thought is itself retarded, because they were just scholastic, that means, using (a little bit of) philosophy to defend the core doctrines of islam (that are, as i said, deeply irrational). The two muslims philosophers you mention were born at the end of the golden age, in the only place where you could still read anything other than the quran: Al-andalus. This is so because the gradual rejection of science and philosophy began in the east and ended in the west, due to its absolutely incompatibility with free thinking, rational thought and critique. What you call fundamentalist are just regular muslims, the ones that were at the beggining and the ones that exist today. What you call "golden age" (again, exagerated by official western historiography, i would call it an iron age kek) is just a glimpse of the muslim tradition into the real world, and their rejection of it. Thats all.
I could continue, but explaining this kind of things is literally my work and im on holidays.

Nietzsche is so overrated... Some of his ideas are ok, most of them are delusional. He overcompensated his weakness by designing a whole philosophical system dedicated entirely to worship the Chad that he never was. Its impossible to take serious most of what he writes, because its obvious that he is only trying to sound edgy in the way that you sound edgy in the XIX century. I could continue... but you know the deal.

I think you´re being hyperbolic, nevertheless I agree that there is an irrational islamophilia in academia, and I´m aware of the issues that Averroes and Avicenna had with the muslim authorities, but i was wondering if it´s possible for muslims to recover that rationalist traditions, but it´s highly improbable.
 
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I think you´re being hyperbolic, nevertheless I agree that there is an irrational islamophilia in academia, and I´m aware of the issues that Averroes and Avicenna had with the muslim authorities, but i was wondering if it´s possible for muslims to recover that rationalist traditions, but it´s highly improbable.
Modern religious muslims are dumbfuck retards. Many even think vaccines are haram. There is no hope for muslim nations. I have visited Pakistan and am forever convinced it is a lost cause.
 
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If this is true, then it means that you are turning the "Incel revolution" into a general historical phenomenon that we can call many historical events such as the rise of the Mongols or the slave revolt or any similar secondary event. This is a mistake in thinking imo.

Yes.
The rise of
The Mongols
Germanic tribes
The Vikings
The golden age of the pirates
Were all kind of incel revolution because the background of these people was barbaric and socially lower just like incels.

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You tried to prove it, but you failed miserably in constructing a coherent argument.
Prove that my arguments aren't coherent.
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Idk, what that should mean?
It means that if you approach women as a subhuman, you will get rejected and humiliated so that will cause you mental and psychological disorders. Islam easily protects you and tells you to not approach women, don't give them any attention, don't stare at them etc Islam destroys simping.

Black Soul said:

Because everything is about looks so they have to cover their bodies ( looks ) If they show their bodies, this will lead to Fitna. That is what is happening now in the west like Tik tok.
Black Soul said:
The proof is that islam forces women to cover their bodies their looks and tells men to not simp to women. If looks aren't important in Islam then it will never tell women to cover their bodies. Islam here trying to cure the damages that looks cause to society.
Black Soul said:
It is impossible for "religious value" to be a criterion!
Religious values increase your social status in Islam same way in the west, if you want to be a noble man, you have to follow western traditional values. Muslim women will reject a man who drinks alcohol and doesn't pray at time even if he was good looking. They will prefer average man who has religious values.
Black Soul said:
These are not defects in the blackpill.
It is the world's fault and the failure of society.
The black pill just explains how the society and life in general works. The black pill is knowledge. The black pill doesn't really give solutions.

Islam is an ideology to solve social problems and make justice.
Islam knows that we can't change female nature but we can control it that is the reason that Sharia law exits.
 
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IncelCatechumen said:
I think you´re being hyperbolic

I definetly am. Im drunk.

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i was wondering if it´s possible for muslims to recover that rationalist traditions

There are some muslims that want to recover the openmindness that the old muslim philosophy represents. Like Yabri, that i mentioned. But all of them are academics with zero power or influence outside a few departments. Its basically impossible. Islam (at least as we know it) is going to disappear in the next century. Its absolutely unable to adapt to new circumstances. It was mentioned that, to survive, islam has to create the perfect conditions (copied from the VII century) around itself. Its geopolitical weight is close to zero nowadays, so you could consider that its already irrelevant anyway. Like most religions.
 
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JFL at the amount of straw clutching. The blackpill isn't codified or agreed upon. There is no text or "book of blackpill" for referall.
There was no text or "book of Islam" for referral throughout the life of the Prophet Muhammed. He continued to be a prophet for 23 years, and he did not write the Qur’an in an organized way, only writing some scraps on animal skins. He was satisfied that his followers were memorizing the Qur’an in their memory. This continued until his death at the age of 63 years. You should know that the Qur’an was not compiled into a book until 20 years after the death of the Prophet, and there were still different copies of it, and there was disagreement over what are the correct verses and the correct way of reading. History of the Quran

If we compare, it has not been 20 years since the appearance of the blackPill. (A small note: The hadith was compiled and documented two centuries after the death of the Prophet!)
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Islamists have overrun entire countries and governments and is the only legitimate challenge to the western degeneracy. Its a fight against these degenerates and the mountain of Islam has a better chance than the Mole hill of blackpill.

Just remember 14 centuries have passed since the advent of Islam, and hardly 20 years have passed since the appearance of the blackpill.

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the philosophy o the blackpill is the only true and good guide a low smv male should follow. everything else is cope. you can still believe in god or allah of course. but it wont explain to you why women chose oother men/ women/ animals over you.
this.
IsolationHurts said:
lol sorry
You probably know better than me. I cant even read arabic
you are academic at least. :forcedsmile: haha
Mahmood-Silver said:
Yes.
The rise of
The Mongols
Germanic tribes
The Vikings
The golden age of the pirates
Were all kind of incel revolution because the background of these people was barbaric and socially lower just like incels.
cope.
Mahmood-Silver said:
Prove that my arguments aren't coherent.
JFL, I did and to be honest, It could be said that there was not an argument to start for you :feelskek:
Mahmood-Silver said:
It means that if you approach women as a subhuman, you will get rejected and humiliated so that will cause you mental and psychological disorders. Islam easily protects you and tells you to not approach women, don't give them any attention, don't stare at them etc Islam destroys simping.
:feelstastyman:
Then would Islam please and tell us how we can have sex then, if just getting close to women destroys us mentally. Does it suggest having sex remotely or wirelessly? :feelsahh:
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Because everything is about looks so they have to cover their bodies ( looks ) If they show their bodies, this will lead to Fitna. That is what is happening now in the west like Tik tok.
1. Only the sexually deprived are the most affected by women's clothing, so the main problem is the elimination of sexual deprivation and repression.
2. This does not kill your sexual desire. I lived for a while in Saudi Arabia and there all the women were covered in black cloth, but I was still sexually aroused.
3. The solution to the problem of Tik Tok is to ban this technology and this is not relating to the point of discussion, you idiot. :feelswhat:
Mahmood-Silver said:
The proof is that islam forces women to cover their bodies their looks and tells men to not simp to women. If looks aren't important in Islam then it will never tell women to cover their bodies. Islam here trying to cure the damages that looks cause to society.
Why didn't Islam order chads to cover their faces if it really knew the effect of looks?
Mahmood-Silver said:
Religious values increase your social status in Islam same way in the west, if you want to be a noble man, you have to follow western traditional values. Muslim women will reject a man who drinks alcohol and doesn't pray at time even if he was good looking. They will prefer average man who has religious values.
All men can be religious, but not everyone can be handsome. Do you understand what I'm referring to or are you retarded?
There is no religion for your face :blackpill:
Mahmood-Silver said:
The black pill just explains how the society and life in general works. The black pill is knowledge. The black pill doesn't really give solutions.
stupid statement.
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Islam is an ideology to solve social problems and make justice.
Islam knows that we can't change female nature but we can control it that is the reason that Sharia law exits.
keep dreaming :smonk:
 
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You said that "Islam rejects science, scientific method, philosophy and critical thinking so always will produce shithole countries" is false. Prove it.
Give me one quote from the quran that encourages humans to study sciences and philosophy, use the scientific method.... to know the world we live in.
Give me the name of a single muslim country that is richer, more peaceful, that has more freedom of thought and expression... than any western country.
I only quoted the part about shithole nations you nigga kek
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Shithole thing is correct. Keep coping. Only muslim nations remotely prosperous, have oil shekels. Literally only successful due to resources not hard work.
Muslim golden Age cuck
 
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I only quoted the part about shithole nations you nigga kek
Ok.
Still waiting.
 
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Ok.
Still waiting.
Islamic golden Age. Also all the white muslim nations
 
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Cybersex is our hope said:
Islamic golden Age.

You dont read the threads you post in, dont you? :feelsseriously:
Islamic golden age is a meme created by western historiography:

The importance of islam thought in the western tradition has been incredibly exagerated in the official western history of philosophy. I live in Spain, and i studied philosophy, so we had to study every single muslim thinker out there. Trust me, from AlFarabi to Averroes, the whole intellectual quest that took like 400 years just did ONE THING: translating and understanding Aristotle. Thats all. Literally no new ideas, im not kidding. Even modern muslim philosophers recognize that there is literally nothing new in the whole "muslim intelectual tradition" (like Mohamed Abed Yabri). The whole enterprise achieved what a single dude during a lifetime achieved in the christian context (im talking about Alberto Magno): understanding Aristotle.

There are so many reasons to reject that the muslim philosophical thought has ANY value that i could write a fucking book, im not kidding: muslims are the ONLY civilization that aborted their philosophical and scientifical renaissance. Literally anything that was written and has any scientific value during the muslim golden age was written by people that were forced to convert to islam. Muslims want to attach those names to Islam but its obvious that if there was any kind of rational thought during the golden age was DESPITE of islam, no thanks to it. Islam is the only religion that, at its core, completely rejects rational autonomy. All the "schools of thought" that developed during the golden age are beyond retarded, and nobody takes them serious to this day: determinism, fatalism, etc. Also, calling them schools of thought is itself retarded, because they were just scholastic, that means, using (a little bit of) philosophy to defend the core doctrines of islam (that are, as i said, deeply irrational). The two muslims philosophers you mention were born at the end of the golden age, in the only place where you could still read anything other than the quran: Al-andalus. This is so because the gradual rejection of science and philosophy began in the east and ended in the west, due to its absolutely incompatibility with free thinking, rational thought and critique. What you call fundamentalist are just regular muslims, the ones that were at the beggining and the ones that exist today. What you call "golden age" (again, exagerated by official western historiography, i would call it an iron age kek) is just a glimpse of the muslim tradition into the real world, and their rejection of it. Thats all.
I could continue, but explaining this kind of things is literally my work and im on holidays.


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Also all the white muslim nations

Still waiting for you to name one nation.
 
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You dont read the threads you post in, dont you? :feelsseriously:
Islamic golden
I read you cuck. What is said is strongly innacurate since the muslim world eastern way ahead of the West even in astronomy then declined. But ofc westerners just made shit up to male muslims look better. Ofc
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Still waiting for you to name one nation.
Muslim Russia, Bosnia etc
 
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What is said is strongly innacurate since the muslim world eastern way ahead of the West even in astronomy then declined.

I agree with this. The "golden" age just managed to do two things: transmission of knowledge (for others to really take serious and make advances) and translating and understanding Aristotle. The first thing was not required anyway, many of the text that muslims translated to arabic were found in their original languages later on. And the translations were pretty bad anyway. The second thing took 400 hundred years and the 10 most brilliant muslim thinkers. The same thing was done in a single lifetime by a single christian dude: Albertus Magnus (teacher of Saint Thomas). If you think that any kind of sciences or arts were developed by muslims during this era, youre wrong. Every single scientific advancement was carried on by people forced to convert to islam. Muslims rejected and still reject an kind of rational inquiry or any kind of scientific method.
So, the whole muslim intellectual enterprise is irrelevant. Not even muslims study it nowadays.
And im not the one saying this, there are many muslim philosophers that defended it before me, like Jabri
So... youre wrong. Sorry.
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Muslim Russia, Bosnia etc

I hope this is a joke.
Muslims are a minority in Russia. And its a pretty decadent country anyway.
Bosnia is literally a shithole.

So... wrong again.
 
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I agree with this. The "golden" age just managed to do two things: transmission of knowledge (for others to really take serious and make advances) and translating and understanding Aristotle. The first thing was not required anyway, many of the text that muslims translated to arabic were found in their original languages later on. And the translations were pretty bad anyway. The second thing took 400 hundred years and the 10 most brilliant muslim thinkers. The same thing was done in a single lifetime by a single christian dude: Albertus Magnus (teacher of Saint Thomas). If you think that any kind of sciences or arts were developed by muslims during this era, youre wrong. Every single scientific advancement was carried on by people forced to convert to islam. Muslims rejected and still reject an kind of rational inquiry or any kind of scientific method.
So, the whole muslim intellectual enterprise is irrelevant. Not even muslims study it nowadays.
And im not the one saying this, there are many muslim philosophers that defended it before me, like Jabri
So... youre wrong. Sorry.
They innovated arts, medicine, culture, literarure, crafting and were way ahead of the west (oh also many westerners were forced to convert to christianity or to larp, you know) but go on with your simplicistic resume. Keep being ignorant
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I hope this is a joke.
Muslims are a minority in Russia. And its a pretty decadent country anyway.
Bosnia is literally a shithole
Giga ignorant since the only parts of Russia that are demographically not declining are muslim regions. Muslims will probably take Over russia in 2060
 
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They innovated arts, medicine, culture, literarure, crafting and were way ahead of the west (oh also many westerners were forced to convert to christianity or to larp, you know) but go on with your simplicistic resume. Keep being ignorant

Giga ignorant since the only parts of Russia that are demographically not declining are muslim regions. Muslims will probably take Over russia in 2060

So, i hope you dont mind if i take zero effort in my answers, like you do.

No, muslims made no innovations. They were made by people forced to join islam. I never said that the west was ahead.

So, there is no muslim country now that is not a shithole, but when russia becomes muslim in the future, it will not be a shithole. A) Russia is not gonna be a muslim country. B) If it becomes a muslim country, it will become a shithole, like any other muslim country.
 
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So, i hope you dont mind if i take zero effort in my answers, like you do.

No, muslims made no innovations. They were made by people forced to join islam. I never said that the west was ahead.

So, there is no muslim country now that is not a shithole, but when russia becomes muslim in the future, it will not be a shithole. A) Russia is not gonna be a muslim country. B) If it becomes a muslim country, it will become a shithole, like any other muslim country.
I am just stating facts you tard.

1 yes they made innovations. The same way christians did

2 Saudi Arabia or Qatar are shithole? Lol Russia will Be muslim because russians don't have enough kids. Same as Western Europe. How do You know Russia will Be a shithole when it will Be majority muslims? Daghestan is not a shithole
 
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Cybersex is our hope said:
yes they made innovations.

Take a book about history of cosmology. Find a muslim name. For example, this book:
  • Conceptions of Cosmos – From Myths to the Accelerating Universe: A History of Cosmology. Oxford University Press, 2006
Exactly. You cant.

Take a book about history of sciences and philosphy. Find a muslim name. For example, this book:
A History of Western Philosophy and Its Connection with Political and Social Circumstances from the Earliest Times to the Present Day. New York: Simon and Schuster.
Exactly. You cant.

Cybersex is our hope said:
The same way christians did

Christians invented the scientific method, and promoted philosophy. Muslims banned them, to this day. The fact that you compare them means that you literally have no clue. I could link names and books, but you will ignore them.

Cybersex is our hope said:
Saudi Arabia or Qatar are shithole?
Yes, of course. Complete and absolute shitholes. Why do you ask?

Cybersex is our hope said:
Lol Russia will Be muslim because russians don't have enough kids.

And then it will become a shithole.
Cybersex is our hope said:
How do You know Russia will Be a shithole when it will Be majority muslims?
Because every muslim nation is a shithole. And im still waiting for you to prove me wrong. Well, i expect nothing from you to be honest.

Its obvious that you are trying to talk about things you dont know. Next time, read a book before engaging in adult conversation please.
Dont expect more answers.
 
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IsolationHurts said:
Take a book about history of cosmology. Find a muslim name. For example, this book:
  • Conceptions of Cosmos – From Myths to the Accelerating Universe: A History of Cosmology. Oxford University Press, 2006
Exactly. You cant.

Take a book about history of sciences and philosphy. Find a muslim name. For example, this book:
A History of Western Philosophy and Its Connection with Political and Social Circumstances from the Earliest Times to the Present Day. New York: Simon and Schuster.
Exactly. You cant.
Dude it's Not that difficult.

And by the way what the fuck is a "muslim name"?
IsolationHurts said:
Christians invented the scientific method, and promoted philosophy. Muslims banned them, to this day. The fact that you compare them means that you literally have no clue. I could link names and books, but you will ignore them.
Christians banned many things in a period where muslims were financing researches
IsolationHurts said:
Yes, of course. Complete and absolute shitholes. Why do you ask?
Westerners wanting to work there or get married because it's shithole. Ok dude.
IsolationHurts said:
And then it will become a shithole
How can you say so? And aren't they already shitholes if they are failing to keep up with supposed shitholes?
IsolationHurts said:
Because every muslim nation is a shithole. And im still waiting for you to prove me wrong. Well, i expect nothing from you to be honest.

Its obvious that you are trying to talk about things you dont know. Next time, read a book before engaging in adult conversation please.
Dont expect more answers.
Hahahahahaha dude i just proved you wrong in every way. Every single scholar i know whom read about the matter much more than i did can prove you wrong much more than me. Many muslim nations were flourishing when the West was a shithole and such "shitholes" are today brutally mogging the West in demography and are ready to destroy Western societies. If you manage to be destroyed by shitholes either you ARE a shithole or you have to change your definition of "shithole"
 
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Islam is the only ideology doing anything to combat female hypergamy

Secularism is cucked, just breeds degeneracy
 
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<human said:
The only thing Islam gets right is women, everything else they practice is low iq and pointless
This. I am an atheist but most atheists are soy cucks who support degeneracy that's why I support this aspect of Islam
 
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