All western women today believe that women were oppressed by men historically and beyond that they believe that this oppression was just done due to men's selfishness rather than for some kind of practical reason. Most of them are convinced that they are still oppressed by men today.
None of that is true if you stop and think about it for just a moment.
Let's go back to the around the early and mid 20th century decades. Let's step back in time before the modern feminist movement and look at western countries and the lives of men and women.
1) Women were placed under societal pressure to be wives and mothers -- they were pressured to bare and raise children
Yes they were. But they always leave out that men were placed under social pressure to work themselves to the bone in jobs that were often dirty, dangerous, and unpleasant so that they could provide and serve the greater good.
For example, men were the ones who built the railroads. Men were the coalminers. Men were the farmers. Men were the builders.
Ask yourselves this, would you rather be down in a fucking coal mine, literally killing yourself to provide for your family -- or would you rather be at home raising the kids, cooking dinner, doing the laundry, and so on? Seriously, consider that. Yes, those tasks were more difficult before the advent of modern technology like dish washers/washing machines and such, but there simply is no comparison to be made here. Not really.
If you were to give the women of the time a choice between going out to do backbreaking labor on the railroads for 10 hours a day or being the stay at home mom, the choice is very very obvious what they would choose.
2) Men beat up their wives with no reason and the women were powerless to do anything
Some men surely did, but in reality this was never "normal". This is an example of women taking what is in reality a small subset of men and amplifying it as though it represented most families. That is hogwash.
Most men love their wives and children and seek to make them happy and take care of them. This is true now and it was true then. I also take issue with the claim that women were powerless to do anything about it. They could talk to their fathers or the church -- there was recourse where family would sit that guy down and straighten him out.
Today we've created the complete opposite problem where a woman can just lie and claim that her husband hurt her and when the cops come out they always, always assume that the guy is evil and that he's done wrong. Even if didn't or the woman was hitting him or otherwise just lying. I have seen this with my own eyes in my own family and the truth is women know that this bias exists and a lot of them leverage it at their own convenience (I grew up with a single mother and several sisters, i've seen my fair share of this kind of shit -- one example is where they were beating me with their shoes so I hugged one of them to stop them/restrain them then the other called the cops -- pure madness).
3) Today Women have a Choice, Men do not -- same as we never did.
Women today can choose a career or to be a mother. They have a real choice. Men do not.
The reality is most women will not accept a stay at home dad, they want a provider and if someone is staying home 9/10 (maybe more) it's going to be the woman. Largely because that's what women want. You think men wouldn't jump at the chance to be a stay at home dad? Many definitely would, but our society looks down on you if you don't provide and so do most women.
Because nobody acknowledges the ways men were railroaded back then too, nobody acknowledges how they're still railroaded now.
4) Just a lose point on western religion, western did not only oppress women. It had strict expectations for both men and women -- not one or the other. There were gender roles, yes. But by and large they were pretty sane gender roles and you'd have a fucking retard to think most men and most women aren't better suited to different kinds of tasks. Gender roles worked which is why they were normal for thousands of years.
5) Women see the restrictions placed on them in the past and think this was done for no reason or due to the selfishness of others. This is nonsense and all you need to do to see that is look at the dating/sex landscape today -- look at online dating, look at speed dating -- go to the statistics. Notice how much easier, trivial it is for women to get laid and to hop into a new relationship compared to the average guy.
This is a huge reason women's pernicious tendencies like hypergamy were restrained by broad society. Also whoring around was shamed rightfully because:
A) You'd get pregnant in those days without a support structure and daddy government wouldn't bail you out at everyone else's expense (personal responsibility! For women? *gasp*)
B) Spread of disease (this is still relevant, look at the disease ridden filth that the gay community spreads around -- those butt fuckers are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS for example).
C) Pair Bonding is real and with more relationships comes more cynicism and comparison which damages future relationship prospects.
D) If women are given total control and no outside influence in choosing their relationships then we devolve into pseudo harems -- like many other mammals. The statics bare this out. A common trend is that eventually as the woman's value deteriorates they may "settle" unhappily with what we know as a "betabux". Not a good outcome for anybody tbh
These restrictions weren't done for "no reason", they were done for a very good set of reasons.
And guess what? Men had and still have their own unique set of pernicious tendencies restrained by broad society for the greater good. For example, men commit more violent crime, men have the advantage of being bigger and physically stronger (though that advantage is muted in modern systems and with modern weapons). Our societies harshly clamp down on those things. Men are expected to behave and we are expected to never use those tools to gain an advantage over women in any way. Women on the other hand no longer have any restraints on them like they used to which is why we're in such a massive imbalance right now. But if you point any of this out, you're just evil and sexist
6) In the event of disaster, men must bare the burden -- men must go and fight and die in the trenches or war. Men must stay behind when the titanic sinks for the benefit of women.
7) Women act like now is better because they don't have to depend on men anymore -- well, instead of being dependent on your husband who loves you and wants to take care of you, now these women are dependent on profit driven 3rd parties who wouldn't care if they died in the gutter and would just replace them like a gear. Is that better than it was before? Truly?
8) The wage gap is a myth -- it exists because those studies were not taking into account things like experience in the same job, education level, or the different kinds of jobs men and women gravitate towards. Yet shockingly a huge cohort of women believe this is real and parrot it every chance they get. News flash, women are entirely unwilling to work dirty jobs that you need to keep your society's infrastructure running. Women in construction? Women as garbage men? Women as plumbers? You almost never see this.
The feminists complain nonstop about how the high paying jobs go to men while not seeing that most men are working in these poor conditions. Basically what I'm saying is that feminists make the Apex Fallacy with respect to men as a group constantly and that shit's retarded. Funny, it's basically the same as with their mate choice/tendencies -- most men are invisible.
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TLDR: Men and women are different physically and psychologically. Gender roles are and have always been a positive thing. Men and women need some reasonable restrictions on our unique and pernicious tendencies for the great good of broad society. None of that is "Oppression" and the feminists are delusional fools with no basic grasp on reality.
None of that is true if you stop and think about it for just a moment.
Let's go back to the around the early and mid 20th century decades. Let's step back in time before the modern feminist movement and look at western countries and the lives of men and women.
1) Women were placed under societal pressure to be wives and mothers -- they were pressured to bare and raise children
Yes they were. But they always leave out that men were placed under social pressure to work themselves to the bone in jobs that were often dirty, dangerous, and unpleasant so that they could provide and serve the greater good.
For example, men were the ones who built the railroads. Men were the coalminers. Men were the farmers. Men were the builders.
Ask yourselves this, would you rather be down in a fucking coal mine, literally killing yourself to provide for your family -- or would you rather be at home raising the kids, cooking dinner, doing the laundry, and so on? Seriously, consider that. Yes, those tasks were more difficult before the advent of modern technology like dish washers/washing machines and such, but there simply is no comparison to be made here. Not really.
If you were to give the women of the time a choice between going out to do backbreaking labor on the railroads for 10 hours a day or being the stay at home mom, the choice is very very obvious what they would choose.
2) Men beat up their wives with no reason and the women were powerless to do anything
Some men surely did, but in reality this was never "normal". This is an example of women taking what is in reality a small subset of men and amplifying it as though it represented most families. That is hogwash.
Most men love their wives and children and seek to make them happy and take care of them. This is true now and it was true then. I also take issue with the claim that women were powerless to do anything about it. They could talk to their fathers or the church -- there was recourse where family would sit that guy down and straighten him out.
Today we've created the complete opposite problem where a woman can just lie and claim that her husband hurt her and when the cops come out they always, always assume that the guy is evil and that he's done wrong. Even if didn't or the woman was hitting him or otherwise just lying. I have seen this with my own eyes in my own family and the truth is women know that this bias exists and a lot of them leverage it at their own convenience (I grew up with a single mother and several sisters, i've seen my fair share of this kind of shit -- one example is where they were beating me with their shoes so I hugged one of them to stop them/restrain them then the other called the cops -- pure madness).
3) Today Women have a Choice, Men do not -- same as we never did.
Women today can choose a career or to be a mother. They have a real choice. Men do not.
The reality is most women will not accept a stay at home dad, they want a provider and if someone is staying home 9/10 (maybe more) it's going to be the woman. Largely because that's what women want. You think men wouldn't jump at the chance to be a stay at home dad? Many definitely would, but our society looks down on you if you don't provide and so do most women.
Because nobody acknowledges the ways men were railroaded back then too, nobody acknowledges how they're still railroaded now.
4) Just a lose point on western religion, western did not only oppress women. It had strict expectations for both men and women -- not one or the other. There were gender roles, yes. But by and large they were pretty sane gender roles and you'd have a fucking retard to think most men and most women aren't better suited to different kinds of tasks. Gender roles worked which is why they were normal for thousands of years.
5) Women see the restrictions placed on them in the past and think this was done for no reason or due to the selfishness of others. This is nonsense and all you need to do to see that is look at the dating/sex landscape today -- look at online dating, look at speed dating -- go to the statistics. Notice how much easier, trivial it is for women to get laid and to hop into a new relationship compared to the average guy.
This is a huge reason women's pernicious tendencies like hypergamy were restrained by broad society. Also whoring around was shamed rightfully because:
A) You'd get pregnant in those days without a support structure and daddy government wouldn't bail you out at everyone else's expense (personal responsibility! For women? *gasp*)
B) Spread of disease (this is still relevant, look at the disease ridden filth that the gay community spreads around -- those butt fuckers are solely responsible for the spread of AIDS for example).
C) Pair Bonding is real and with more relationships comes more cynicism and comparison which damages future relationship prospects.
D) If women are given total control and no outside influence in choosing their relationships then we devolve into pseudo harems -- like many other mammals. The statics bare this out. A common trend is that eventually as the woman's value deteriorates they may "settle" unhappily with what we know as a "betabux". Not a good outcome for anybody tbh
These restrictions weren't done for "no reason", they were done for a very good set of reasons.
And guess what? Men had and still have their own unique set of pernicious tendencies restrained by broad society for the greater good. For example, men commit more violent crime, men have the advantage of being bigger and physically stronger (though that advantage is muted in modern systems and with modern weapons). Our societies harshly clamp down on those things. Men are expected to behave and we are expected to never use those tools to gain an advantage over women in any way. Women on the other hand no longer have any restraints on them like they used to which is why we're in such a massive imbalance right now. But if you point any of this out, you're just evil and sexist
6) In the event of disaster, men must bare the burden -- men must go and fight and die in the trenches or war. Men must stay behind when the titanic sinks for the benefit of women.
7) Women act like now is better because they don't have to depend on men anymore -- well, instead of being dependent on your husband who loves you and wants to take care of you, now these women are dependent on profit driven 3rd parties who wouldn't care if they died in the gutter and would just replace them like a gear. Is that better than it was before? Truly?
8) The wage gap is a myth -- it exists because those studies were not taking into account things like experience in the same job, education level, or the different kinds of jobs men and women gravitate towards. Yet shockingly a huge cohort of women believe this is real and parrot it every chance they get. News flash, women are entirely unwilling to work dirty jobs that you need to keep your society's infrastructure running. Women in construction? Women as garbage men? Women as plumbers? You almost never see this.
The feminists complain nonstop about how the high paying jobs go to men while not seeing that most men are working in these poor conditions. Basically what I'm saying is that feminists make the Apex Fallacy with respect to men as a group constantly and that shit's retarded. Funny, it's basically the same as with their mate choice/tendencies -- most men are invisible.
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TLDR: Men and women are different physically and psychologically. Gender roles are and have always been a positive thing. Men and women need some reasonable restrictions on our unique and pernicious tendencies for the great good of broad society. None of that is "Oppression" and the feminists are delusional fools with no basic grasp on reality.
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