Eh ethnics need strictness and religion IMO

[Pikacel]

I distrust ethnic ex-Muslims or atheists. They talk of ‘morals’ but just want to freely act like animals. Especially ethnic foids just want an excuse to sleep with Chad and Tyrone.

Ethnics can’t handle freedom or irreligion. It turns them into savages.

Also why should normies be given freedom? Normies are selfish faggot cunts. They should be beaten regularly and forced to follow a dogmatic religion. Foids are worse.

Without humiliation and beatings foids turn into the worst kinds of creatures. They have zero self restraint or morality, as long as they get away with it that’s enough.

Whites already have ingrained religious morality even if they’re atheist whereas ethnics want to pivot from Islam or some other religion to some kind of Jewish hyper-liberal degeneracy.

Or some neo-traditional ‘RETVRN to ancient paganism (including human sacrifice I assume)’ nonsense. Complete joke

The type of shit whites still do for fun but understand to be ‘perverted’ and morally wrong like promiscuity, orgies, faggotry etc. Ethnics want to do without any judgement

 

[1Disturbed]

Whites already have ingrained religious morality even if they’re atheist

Ridiculous claim, you need to provide some evidence if you're going to go out and say that a "white race" is inherently more moral, righteous and as such, superior.

 

[Pikacel]

Ridiculous claim, you need to provide some evidence if you're going to go out and say that a "white race" is inherently more moral, righteous and as such, superior.

They aren’t superior but they naturally transitioned into atheism. Same with chinks.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Ethnics can’t handle freedom or irreligion. It turns them into savages.

Very true. At the very least we need Bukele-esque authoritarianism in our countries

 

[Hoodpreet]

Ridiculous claim, you need to provide some evidence if you're going to go out and say that a "white race" is inherently more moral, righteous and as such, superior.

Generally speaking, whites are higher trust than ethnics. Hence the disparities in crime rates even when accounting for income. It’s also why you don’t see the social trust that existed in pre-invasion white countries anywhere in the world besides Japan and Korea.

The very style of morality is also different. Whites are more likely to think “is it right to do this” while ethnics are more likely to think “what will happen to me if I’m caught” or “can I get away with this?”

 

[Pikacel]

Generally speaking, whites are higher trust than ethnics. Hence the disparities in crime rates even when accounting for income. It’s also why you don’t see the social trust that existed in pre-invasion white countries anywhere in the world besides Japan and Korea.

The very style of morality is also different. Whites are more likely to think “is it right to do this” while ethnics are more likely to think “what will happen to me if I’m caught” or “can I get away with this?”
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This ‘what will happen if I’m caught’ shit is exactly what I’m talking about

 

[1Disturbed]

They aren’t superior but they naturally transitioned into atheism. Same with chinks.

Keep in mind a minority are still religious.
The majority starting to say they are atheist is a sign of self reflection, technological advancement and people understanding where they stand, but the amount of believers and disbelievers remains the same.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Whites are more likely to think “is it right to do this” while ethnics are more likely to think “what will happen to me if I’m caught” or “can I get away with this?”

 

[Caesercel]

I agree kinda. Poverty and liberalism does not mix. I'd rather have poor people live in a culture of shame than become something like Brasil

 

[ardeys]

They aren’t superior but they naturally transitioned into atheism. Same with chinks.

It’s because they are integrated into highly materialistic and sci fi like societies, btw I agree with you I think that lessons on the Bible should be mandatory

 

[Caichan]

Whites already have ingrained religious morality even if they’re atheist whereas ethnics want to pivot from Islam or some other religion to some kind of Jewish hyper-liberal degeneracy.

no, you can’t just say that and not elaborate, i agree that when a lot of people become atheists they do it for bad reasons and use it as an excuse to be a degenerate but i usually see this among women in general, atheist men do not do this

 

[Undervalued]

OP is being disingenuous again. Behaviour can be changed with incentives. Islam cannot and will not work.

If we pool enough resources and infrastructure to power an economy for our brightest from around the world, it would quickly outpace most other cities in the Third World within a decade. Just one pocket of the country that's at a Balkan level of development would have a huge impact on aligning incentives for various actors to see the bigger picture, but there needs to be that reference point first.

 

[Nicusor_delaBraila]

Whites already have ingrained religious morality even if they’re atheist

jfl if u believe that
all humans need religion since otherwise they switch to chad simping mode
thats why god came down in the form of jesus to create a system that would make normies forget the idea of hypergamy and chad worship

 

[Rapemaxxer]

Retarded nigger cope. I spit and piss on every religion.

 

[Skelly]

Whites are more likely to think “is it right to do this” while ethnics are more likely to think “what will happen to me if I’m caught” or “can I get away with this?”

“what will happen to me if I’m caught” “can I get away with this?” “is it right to do this” are all pretty much the same statement though. Just the punisher switches from the community to god. And the two are intertwined, if you do something that goes against what most people find morally prehensible you will be kicked out.
Also that map is giga bullshit, if we're going by the guilt defintion then all Islamic countries should be colored blue as well

And I don't even know what's going on here. "SAAAR YOU ARE LITTERALLY SUBHUMAN" - lives 2 miles away

Whites already have ingrained religious morality even if they’re atheist whereas ethnics want to pivot from Islam or some other religion to some kind of Jewish hyper-liberal degeneracy.

 

[Pikacel]

OP is being disingenuous again. Behaviour can be changed with incentives. Islam cannot and will not work.

If we pool enough resources and infrastructure to power an economy for our brightest from around the world, it would quickly outpace most other cities in the Third World within a decade. Just one pocket of the country that's at a Balkan level of development would have a huge impact on aligning incentives for various actors to see the bigger picture, but there needs to be that reference point first.

Nah, privileged city states just create massive ‘beggar slums’ and do little for national economy. It’s an easy target for criminals, heavy prostitution and scammers as well.

Without a widespread legal system backed by religion (especially when education is scarce) that can maintain property rights, deal with banditry and punish white collar crime it’s hard to really build infrastructure or do business.

There’s way too much corruption involved otherwise, from squatters and local gangs to poor accountability. And why would a secular law enforcement do anything when they can just take money from gangs vs vehemently religious person who fears divine retaliation.

It’s why US intervention failed so bad. All it’s left behind are artificial power sharing governments with zero institutions and RAMPANT tribalism

“what will happen to me if I’m caught” “can I get away with this?” “is it right to do this” are all pretty much the same statement though. Just the punisher switches from the community to god. And the two are intertwined, if you do something that goes against what most people find morally prehensible you will be kicked out.
Also that map is giga bullshit, if we're going by the guilt defintion then all Islamic countries should be colored blue as well
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And I don't even know what's going on here. "SAAAR YOU ARE LITTERALLY SUBHUMAN" - lives 2 miles away
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White atheists are still religious, they believe in ‘will the universe and science punish me for doing this’

Islam enforces guilt culture but the problem is people have kibr and think their dogshit backwards ‘culture’ or ‘liberalism’ is better than the deen.

jfl if u believe that
all humans need religion since otherwise they switch to chad simping mode
thats why god came down in the form of jesus to create a system that would make normies forget the idea of hypergamy and chad worship

The thing is mayos are ‘Christian-washed’. And Christianity is heavily corrupted and rife with concessions but still functional. They don’t have weird backwards tribal practices like Hindu culture telling them to sacrifice babies or eat cow shit

 

[Roastie Crusher]

White atheists are still religious, they believe in ‘will the universe and science punish me for doing this’

This is secular morality created by Spinoza and Kant. It only works if you have secular states with economies that can be used to help the poor.

All of that "enlightenment" led to the nihilism of Nietzsche and the rise of Nazis. We are now living in the wake of the fantasyland produced by capitalism.

I think we're about to see mass slaughter globally. The robots aren't rolling out fast enough to deal with the economic destabilization.

 

[Pikacel]

This is secular morality created by Spinoza and Kant. It only works if you have secular states with economies that can be used to help the poor.

All of that "enlightenment" led to the nihilism of Nietzsche and the rise of Nazis. We are now living in the wake of the fantasyland produced by capitalism.

I think we're about to see mass slaughter globally. The robots aren't rolling out fast enough to deal with the economic destabilization.

Eh nothing ever happens

 

[1Disturbed]

jfl if u believe that
all humans need religion since otherwise they switch to chad simping mode

Exactly.
To add on to this, I think that the fact that "ethnics" (as OP says, although every human being has an ethnicity, by definition) are more exposed to religion, that proves that the ones who stray further from it are true and hard disbelievers, whereas with typical atheists who had little or less exposure to religion you don't see them being such bad people as often.

The thing is mayos are ‘Christian-washed’. And Christianity is heavily corrupted and rife with concessions but still functional. They don’t have weird backwards tribal practices like Hindu culture telling them to sacrifice babies or eat cow shit

But this is exactly what I'm trying to say. Christianity is heavily corrupted, precisely. So that lines up with my theory of why other, non-formerly-Christian atheists, are worse.

 

[Pikacel]

Exactly.
To add on to this, I think that the fact that "ethnics" (as OP says, although every human being has an ethnicity, by definition) are more exposed to religion, that proves that the ones who stray further from it are true and hard disbelievers, whereas with typical atheists who had little or less exposure to religion you don't see them being such bad people as often.

But this is exactly what I'm trying to say. Christianity is heavily corrupted, precisely. So that lines up with my theory of why other, non-formerly-Christian atheists, are worse.

If someone is born into Islam and completely rejects it I side eye them a lot.

Hating the religion is one thing but wholly rejecting involves also disagreeing with the universally accepted morals it espouses. They pm don’t want anyone to tell them what not to do

 

[Nicusor_delaBraila]

, whereas with typical atheists who had little or less exposure to religion you don't see them being such bad people as often.

stalin , hitler, mao , all the commies who killed a lot of people

 

[1Disturbed]

stalin , hitler, mao , all the commies who killed a lot of people

Yeah true although Hitler was technically not an atheist, but clearly lack of religion caused such horrible acts to occur.

If someone is born into Islam and completely rejects it I side eye them a lot.

Hating the religion is one thing but wholly rejecting involves also disagreeing with the universally accepted morals it espouses. They pm don’t want anyone to tell them what not to do

Yeah true

 

[RandomGuy]

Religion is for the masses. The truths proclaimed by religion are a pious fraud


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/HOe8oje_G8w?si=z-IJvaoy52jYsya5

 

[1Disturbed]

Religion is for the masses. The truths proclaimed by religion are a pious fraud


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/HOe8oje_G8w?si=z-IJvaoy52jYsya5

On opposite day.

 

[Undervalued]

Nah, privileged city states just create massive ‘beggar slums’ and do little for national economy. It’s an easy target for criminals, heavy prostitution and scammers as well.

Of course, you can have good incentives and still fail if the people you're trying to incentivize can't succeed. Still, I don't think this will be a big problem.

Race differences in marriage in the US are a good example of: (1) The power of incentives across the board. (2) How genetics leads to different responses to the same incentives.

Under pre-1960s status quo, Blacks and Whites were equally likely to be married. When the incentives changed, however, marriage disintegrated among Blacks almost over night.

On the second point, establishing high standards of premarital chastity makes marriage the gateway to sex, which strongly encourages young people to get themselves into serious long-term relationships.

Do you need a strong state that could prevent riches from being acquired via internal force or fraud? Yes. But is that a surmountable barrier? Absolutely.

Without a widespread legal system backed by religion (especially when education is scarce) that can maintain property rights, deal with banditry and punish white collar crime it’s hard to really build infrastructure or do business.

The biggest issue with the Third World is that there are many interests against a functioning state. A well-planned city that's safe with functional institutions will generate huge demand throughout the rest of the country for a better justice system, political system, etc.

People need to see what they are missing out on.

There’s way too much corruption involved otherwise, from squatters and local gangs to poor accountability. And why would a secular law enforcement do anything when they can just take money from gangs vs vehemently religious person who fears divine retaliation.

Islam is garbage. I'm sorry but the whole thing has got to go.

Let's say you have money, but are not capable of investing it productively yourself. But someone else without money can (say by building a factory or buying farm tools). What's the argument against lending him money? Or using aggregation (many creditors, many debtors) to reduce variance and risk, which is what banks do? Without interest, no one would lend (he might fail, in which case you lose all your money, and even if he succeeds all you get is the money you already had at the start, which is worth less because of time value of money).

Paternalistic bans on certain types of consumer loans are reasonable, but banning interest outright is dumb.

It’s why US intervention failed so bad. All it’s left behind are artificial power sharing governments with zero institutions and RAMPANT tribalism

The big conceptual error on their part was believing that we were like them. Completely wrong. We really don't know what's good for us.

 

[1Disturbed]

Islam is garbage. I'm sorry but the whole thing has got to go.

Let's say you have money, but are not capable of investing it productively yourself. But someone else without money can (say by building a factory or buying farm tools). What's the argument against lending him money? Or using aggregation (many creditors, many debtors) to reduce variance and risk, which is what banks do? Without interest, no one would lend (he might fail, in which case you lose all your money, and even if he succeeds all you get is the money you already had at the start, which is worth less because of time value of money).

Paternalistic bans on certain types of consumer loans are reasonable, but banning interest outright is dumb.

Look, I used to say the same thing when I was ignorant, this is just not true.

 

[Pikacel]

Of course, you can have good incentives and still fail if the people you're trying to incentivize can't succeed. Still, I don't think this will be a big problem.

Race differences in marriage in the US are a good example of: (1) The power of incentives across the board. (2) How genetics leads to different responses to the same incentives.
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Under pre-1960s status quo, Blacks and Whites were equally likely to be married. When the incentives changed, however, marriage disintegrated among Blacks almost over night.

On the second point, establishing high standards of premarital chastity makes marriage the gateway to sex, which strongly encourages young people to get themselves into serious long-term relationships.

Do you need a strong state that could prevent riches from being acquired via internal force or fraud? Yes. But is that a surmountable barrier? Absolutely.

The biggest issue with the Third World is that there are many interests against a functioning state. A well-planned city that's safe with functional institutions will generate huge demand throughout the rest of the country for a better justice system, political system, etc.

People need to see what they are missing out on.

Islam is garbage. I'm sorry but the whole thing has got to go.

Let's say you have money, but are not capable of investing it productively yourself. But someone else without money can (say by building a factory or buying farm tools). What's the argument against lending him money? Or using aggregation (many creditors, many debtors) to reduce variance and risk, which is what banks do? Without interest, no one would lend (he might fail, in which case you lose all your money, and even if he succeeds all you get is the money you already had at the start, which is worth less because of time value of money).

Paternalistic bans on certain types of consumer loans are reasonable, but banning interest outright is dumb.

The big conceptual error on their part was believing that we were like them. Completely wrong. We really don't know what's good for us.

Halal financing exists

Usury, IDK mane. Financial institutions are a must but there’s so many instances of usury being used to exploit people. There’s definitely a wisdom behind banning it but this is out of my depth as a laymen incel and more a topic for academics

 

[1Disturbed]

Halal financing exists

Usury, IDK mane. Financial institutions are a must but there’s so many instances of usury being used to exploit people. There’s definitely a wisdom behind banning it but this is out of my depth as a laymen incel and more a topic for academics

Usury is a sin, simple as. We automatically partake in usury by participating in democracy and using fiat money, so it's more complicated than outright banning bank interest, although all usury would be completely prohibited in a theocratic monarchy.

 

[Pikacel]

Usury is a sin, simple as. We automatically partake in usury by participating in democracy and using fiat money, so it's more complicated than outright banning bank interest, although all usury would be completely prohibited in a theocratic monarchy.

Screw monarchies, republics are better

 

[1Disturbed]

Screw monarchies, republics are better

they're not.

 

[Undervalued]

Look, I used to say the same thing when I was ignorant, this is just not true.

They used gold in the Islamic period. Different situation. Even then, I don't think gold is that practical as a method of exchange.

Halal financing exists

Usury, IDK mane. Financial institutions are a must but there’s so many instances of usury being used to exploit people. There’s definitely a wisdom behind banning it but this is out of my depth as a laymen incel and more a topic for academics

Usury refers to excessive interest rates. It is not a thing in the West. Most interest rates of banks are close to the inflation rate. A few percent per year.

Muhammad had the excuse that he had to invent logic and almost every field of knowledge from scratch - we benefit from hundreds of years of development and refutation of his tradition.

 

[1Disturbed]

They used gold in the Islamic period. Different situation. Even then, I don't think gold is that practical as a method of exchange.

It is true that not only they used the gold standard (which we should, at the very least eventually, return to), fiat money is a scam, and Satan's suggestion (in accordance with God's will) of democracies and republics makes the situation completely different.

 

[SilentShadow]

Islam doesn't prevent ethnics from acting like animals.

 

[1Disturbed]

Religion doesn't prevent anyone from acting worse than animals.

In general, yes, only. Truthfulness does.

 

[Pikacel]

they're not.

Hereditary monarchies are unislamic and prioritise nepobaby manchildren over competent leaders. It creates chaos like Ottoman Empire where the sultan is too busy shagged fat women to govern properly

https://history.info/on-this-day/1615-turkish-sultan-who-liked-bigger-women/

The Rashidun caliphs were elected by a council based on their accomplishments and religiosity. It wasn’t a cope democracy ofc

They used gold in the Islamic period. Different situation. Even then, I don't think gold is that practical as a method of exchange.

Usury refers to excessive interest rates. It is not a thing in the West. Most interest rates of banks are close to the inflation rate. A few percent per year.

Again halal variants of finance exist. But atp riba is unavoidable as we both know. All money is touched by interest nowadays

Muhammad had the excuse that he had to invent logic and almost every field of knowledge from scratch - we benefit from hundreds of years of development and refutation of his tradition.

Nah. Usury is a problem people have had to deal with since antiquity and still do now. All it does is justify enslaving and preying on innocent and destitute people. From Athens debt slavery to North American sharecroppers, Irish potato farmers and the countless debt slaves in third world shitholes as we speak.

The Islamic world during it’s Golden Age was the best at business and converted people (Indonesians) solely because of how well-regulated and honest their business practices were. The Renaissance and Italian banking systems were built off Islamic (and Chinese) knowledge transfer. Then Salafists came with geocentrism + decline of wealth

You mention the West which literally used usury to debt trap and humiliate it’s enemies. Egypt in 19th century almost modernised but it fell to Riba. Chinks suffered the Century of Humiliation due to corruption and Riba.

And now the IMF is raping retarded niggers and indebting their shitholes by giving shoddy loans to dictators to buy yacht and resorts. Chinamen are getting on it too

 

[1Disturbed]

Hereditary monarchies are unislamic and prioritise nepobaby manchildren over competent leaders. It creates chaos like Ottoman Empire where the sultan is too busy shagged fat women to govern properly

Quit saying stuff lol.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyIzrllDV4E

 

[Undervalued]

Again halal variants of finance exist. But atp riba is unavoidable as we both know. All money is touched by interest nowadays

Islamic Banks change the meaning of interest rates and switch it over to fees. It is the same shit, you will still be paying interest rates.

Nah. Usury is a problem people have had to deal with since antiquity and still do now. All it does is justify enslaving and preying on innocent and destitute people. From Athens debt slavery to North American sharecroppers, Irish potato farmers and the countless debt slaves in third world shitholes as we speak.

Any bright high schooler today knows more math than Archimedes. Again, we have the benefit of accumulated knowledge over thousands of years.

The Islamic world during it’s Golden Age was the best at business and converted people (Indonesians) solely because of how well-regulated and honest their business practices were. The Renaissance and Italian banking systems were built off Islamic (and Chinese) knowledge transfer. Then Salafists came with geocentrism + decline of wealth

Islam destroyed the flow of trade across Mediterranean and actually caused the rise of the West.

You mention the West which literally used usury to debt trap and humiliate it’s enemies. Egypt in 19th century almost modernised but it fell to Riba. Chinks suffered the Century of Humiliation due to corruption and Riba.

And now the IMF is raping retarded niggers and indebting their shitholes by giving shoddy loans to dictators to buy yacht and resorts. Chinamen are getting on it too

This is sad cope. Amazon wasn't profitable for years. Big difference between lending money out to competent people who can get shit done long-term vs complete imbeciles.