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Dostoevsky on the Germans

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Five years ago, in the year 1871, they were not so polite. I was living in Dresden at the time, and I remember how the Saxon troops returned after the war. The city gave them a grand entrance and a standing ovation. However, I also remember the same troops a year earlier, when they were on their way to the war, and when a large poster appeared on every corner and in every public place in Dresden: der Krieg ist erklärt! (The war has been declared!) I saw these troops then, and could not help admiring them: what a cheerfulness in their faces, what a bright, cheerful, and, at the same time, important expression in their eyes! They were all young men, and as I watched a company pass by, I could not help admiring their amazing military bearing, their well-coordinated steps, their precise, strict alignment, but at the same time, there was an extraordinary freedom in their movements that I had never seen in a soldier before, a conscious determination that was evident in every gesture and every step of these young men. It was clear that they were not being driven, but that they were walking on their own.
Nothing wooden, nothing stick-and-cap-like, and this from the Germans, the very Germans from whom we borrowed, when we set up our army with Peter, the corporal and the stick. No, these Germans marched without a stick, as one man, with perfect determination and full confidence in victory. The war was a people's war: the citizen shone in the soldier, and I confess that I was then afraid for the French, although I still firmly believed that they would beat the Germans. One can imagine how these same soldiers entered Dresden a year later, after their final victories over the Frenchman, from whom they had suffered humiliation for a century.
Add to this the usual German—and already national—boastfulness of themselves without measure, in the event of any success, a boastfulness even petty to the point of childishness, and always passing into impudence in the German, a rather unattractive national trait, and almost surprising in this people: this people has too much to boast of, even in comparison with any other nation, to show so much pettiness. It turned out that this honor was so new to them that they did not expect it. And indeed, they were so triumphant that they began to insult the Russians. There were many Russians in Dresden at the time, and many of them later recounted how every time a shopkeeper spoke to a Russian, even if they were just coming into the shop to buy something, they would immediately say, "We've finished with the French, and now we're going to take care of you." This animosity towards the Russians was a natural reaction, despite what the newspapers were saying about Russia's policies during the war, a policy without which they might not have been able to reap such laurels. True, it was the first flush of military success, so unexpected, but the fact remains.
The one who, in the heat of the moment, immediately brought up the Russians. This almost involuntary bitterness against the Russians seemed surprising even to me at the time, although I had known all my life that Germans, always and everywhere, ever since the German Quarter in Moscow, had been extremely disliked by Russians. A Russian lady, Countess K., then living in Dresden, was sitting in one of the seats reserved for the public during this solemn ovation for the troops entering the city, and behind her, several enthusiastic Germans began to curse Russia terribly. "I turned to them and cursed them in common parlance," she told me later. They remained silent: Germans are very polite to ladies, but they would not let a Russian off the hook. I myself read in our newspapers back then that our Petersburg Germans, in Petersburg, would start whole drunken gangs of quarrels and fights with our soldiers somewhere during drinking parties, and this was precisely out of "patriotism." Incidentally, most German newspapers are now filled with the most vicious attacks on Russia. Pointing to this fury in the German press, which insists that the Russians want to conquer the East and the Slavs so that, having grown stronger, they can overthrow European civilization, "Golos" recently remarked in an editorial that this entire furious chorus is all the more surprising because it arose, as if on purpose, precisely now after the friendly congresses and meetings of the three emperors, and that this is, to say the least, strange. A subtle observation.
 
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Read it all, interesting read.
 
Read it all, interesting read.
It's amazing to realize that history is driven not by random events, but by patterns over decades.
 
I know the Prussians/Germans didn't like polacks but I didn't know they disliked Russians.

Most of the Russian leadership and aristocrats were ethnically German in the 19th/early 20th century.
 
German ego is insane. They won one war and think they are better than France.
"Since the Thirty Years' War, the Germans have only been beaten, everyone has been beaten, even the Turks, and suddenly, the Germans beat the world's first belligerent nation.“
"the Germans, who used to look at the British and French with almost the same envy as a footman looks at a noble gentleman, now have no reason to envy." © Dostoevsky
 
I know the Prussians/Germans didn't like polacks but I didn't know they disliked Russians.

Most of the Russian leadership and aristocrats were ethnically German in the 19th/early 20th century.
Because after 1871, the Germans considered only the British and French to be their equals. Because the outcome of the Franco-Prussian War was the spiritual , national and cultural rebirth of the German people.
 
German ego is insane. They won one war and think they are better than France.
I think they saw this war as their revenge for being humilated in the Napoleonic wars.
 
German ego is insane. They won one war and think they are better than France.
Dostoevsky hated the French even more than the Germans.
"But the French used Dostoevsky's special antipathy among European nations. He considered France a combination of the most monstrous and often even contradictory phenomena: Catholicism and atheism, bourgeoisie and socialism. It should be borne in mind, however, that in his pamphlet judgments about the French, Dostoevsky is guided mainly by his impressions of the French bourgeois of the Second Empire, who inspired no less indignant pamphlets to their compatriots - Flaubert, Goncourt and Zola.

But when the empire fell, and France was experiencing perhaps the greatest tragedy of its history, Dostoevsky was imbued with deep respect for the heroic efforts of a humiliated and insulted country. In the era of unrest, unrest and threatening coups of the early 70s, anxiety for the further state fate of France again revealed to Dostoevsky its entire high spiritual essence. For the first time since his youthful letters, he recognizes France as "a great people," "a brilliant nation," "the leader of humanity." In his political reviews, he again speaks with enthusiasm about her "great and sympathetic genius to humanity," and the question that has arisen about the resurrection or death of France seems to him a question about the life and death of all European humanity.

When the critical moment passed and France, recovering from the blow, began to revive to a new political life, the former psychological motives of Dostoevsky's antipathy to the Gallic character arose with renewed vigor. In his novels and journalism, he continues his sharp criticism of the main, in his opinion, representative of godlessness, Catholicism and socialism among European nations.

Already during his first trip, Dostoevsky writes to Strakhov: "The Frenchman is quiet, honest, polite, but fake, and he has money - that's all. No ideal. Do not ask not only beliefs, but even reflections. The level of general education is low to the extreme." Then, in "Winter Notes," Dostoevsky spreads this characteristic. He details France's prevailing, stultifying accumulation of money and ridiculous passion for pathetic eloquence. He doesn't even stop at the claim of the innate lace of the French and their espionage by vocation."
 
I think they saw this war as their revenge for being humilated in the Napoleonic wars.
"The English are a very smart and very broad-eyed parod. As navigators, and even enlightened, they have seen extremely many people and orders in all countries of the world. They are extraordinary and gifted observers. They discovered humor at home, designated it with a special word and explained it to humanity." In the "Writer's Diary" for 1876, Dostoevsky notes another advantage of this strong nation: "The British in the vast majority of the people are highly religious: they crave faith and seek it continuously." Reading the diaries of people of the 19th century is about as interesting as watching junk on Twitter.
 
I think they saw this war as their revenge for being humilated in the Napoleonic wars.
I should mention that I don't support Dostoevsky, and I'm not a fan of his work. Dostoevsky himself suffered from mental health issues after being nearly executed, but he was pardoned at the last moment. However, I find it incredibly fascinating to read the thoughts of various individuals about different countries, peoples, and their historical destinies. It's an incredibly captivating read.
 
Interesting read, I didn't know that Dostoevsky had travelled and lived abroad like this:feelsstudy:.

"I turned to them and cursed them in common parlance," she told me later. They remained silent: Germans are very polite to ladies, but they would not let a Russian off the hook.
Soy'd tbh:soy::feels:.

I myself read in our newspapers back then that our Petersburg Germans, in Petersburg, would start whole drunken gangs of quarrels and fights with our soldiers somewhere during drinking parties, and this was precisely out of "patriotism."
Multiculturalism totally works, the various people's totally stand together with their fellow citizens even against their own coethnics in their homelands:feelskek::feelskek:.
 

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