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Do most of our problems stem from low-prenatal testosterone?

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Low inhibition, taller height, better facial structure, less nervousness, these are all things high testosterone provides you with. I bet most of the ppl here are low-T. I know i am because my T levels were around 590 when I got them done. My index finger is also longer than my ring finger, confirming I got less testosterone in the womb.
 
Low inhibition, taller height, better facial structure, less nervousness, these are all things high testosterone provides you with. I bet most of the ppl here are low-T. I know i am because my T levels were around 590 when I got them done. My index finger is also longer than my ring finger, confirming I got less testosterone in the womb.
The indexfinger-pill was brutal for me. Nature is a cruel force.
 
My ring finger is longer than my index
 
My index and ring fingers are the same length, just like the "very sensitive" protagonist of Zero Charisma

@SlayerSlayer :feelsrope:
 
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Yes i think so too. Im also confirmed low t and it sucks. Basically without t you arent real man
 
My index finger is also longer than my ring finger, confirming I got less testosterone in the womb.

Cope. Longer index than ring fingers mean you were exposed to high prenatal testosterone, but this paradoxically suggests that you are less physically coordinated and more verbal, probably because excess testosterone converts to estrogen and vice-versa.

The fact that @Colvin76 has larger ring fingers than index fingers, which means he was exposed to low prenatal testosterone, makes sense given how he has admitted to being involved in many physical altercations.

As for me, my index and ring fingers are the same length, which means I was meant for a slow life history strategy that features faithfulness in relationships :feelsrope:
 
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Cope. Longer index than ring fingers mean you were exposed to high prenatal testosterone, but this paradoxically suggests that you are less physically coordinated and more verbal, probably because excess testosterone converts to estrogen and vice-versa.

The fact that @Colvin76 has larger ring fingers than index fingers, which means he was exposed to low prenatal testosterone, makes sense given how he has admitted to being involved in many physical altercations.

As for me, my index and ring fingers are the same length, which means I was meant for a slow life history strategy that features faithfulness in relationships :feelsrope:
Brutal. IF this is true, this proves without a doubt I'm truecel subhuman.

All though I thought longer ring fingers meant higher prenatal T? I guess I was wrong.
 
No, they stem from shitty genetics and in some cases tragic events in life that screw up healthy social development
 
Testosterone won't help you much if you're ugly as sin.
 
My ring finger is also significantly longer than my index one. Don't know what this means, thought this was the case with most people.
MOST sources say that longer ring finger means higher prenatal T, but @Atavistic Autist is saying otherwise
 
Brutal. IF this is true, this proves without a doubt I'm truecel subhuman.

All though I thought longer ring fingers meant higher prenatal T? I guess I was wrong.
As I suggest, it's complicated:

Men with short index fingers and long ring fingers tend to be nicer toward women, according to a new study, to be published in the March issue of the journal Personality and Individual Differences. The finding could be a result of sex hormone exposure in the womb, scientists say.

In the study, more than 155 individuals (78 men and 77 women) filled out forms for every social interaction with a member of the opposite sex lasting five minutes or longer in a three-week period, using a checklist of "agreeable" or "quarrelsome" behaviors. Men with small digit-ratios (shorter index fingers relative to ring fingers) engaged in roughly a third more agreeable behaviors toward women, and a third fewer quarrelsome ones, than men with large digit-ratios, the reports showed.

Previous research has found that this "2D:4D" ratio — the ratio of the length of the second digit (the index finger) to that of the fourth digit (the ring finger) — reveals the amount of male hormones, mainly testosterone, a person is exposed to in the womb. The more testosterone, the longer the ring finger grows.

 
As I suggest, it's complicated:



"Previous research has found that this "2D:4D" ratio — the ratio of the length of the second digit (the index finger) to that of the fourth digit (the ring finger) — reveals the amount of male hormones, mainly testosterone, a person is exposed to in the womb. The more testosterone, the longer the ring finger grows."

This means "longer ring finger = Higher T"
 
Most of my problems stem from not being tall
 
"Previous research has found that this "2D:4D" ratio — the ratio of the length of the second digit (the index finger) to that of the fourth digit (the ring finger) — reveals the amount of male hormones, mainly testosterone, a person is exposed to in the womb. The more testosterone, the longer the ring finger grows."

This means "longer ring finger = Higher T"
JFL, then the foid author of this article (featured on the top of Joogle) got it backwards:


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Low inhibition, taller height, better facial structure, less nervousness, these are all things high testosterone provides you with. I bet most of the ppl here are low-T. I know i am because my T levels were around 590 when I got them done. My index finger is also longer than my ring finger, confirming I got less testosterone in the womb.
Sir congratulations. Another proof of my inceldom.
 
JFL, then the foid author of this article (featured on the top of Joogle) got it backwards:


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LMAO SHE DID GET IT BACKWARDS.

JFL at foid scientists. They are all scams JFL. I knew it.
 
LMAO SHE DID GET IT BACKWARDS.

JFL at foid scientists. They are all scams JFL. I knew it.
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Talia Koren is a Staff Writer at Elite Daily who genuinely wants to help twenty-somethings get their sh*t together. She graduated from Ithaca College with a degree in cinema studies and formerly worked in showbiz.
 
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Talia Koren is a Staff Writer at Elite Daily who genuinely wants to help twenty-somethings get their sh*t together. She graduated from Ithaca College with a degree in cinema studies and formerly worked in showbiz.
Dude she got it wrong.

Literally 1,000s of credible sources prove that: longer RING finger = higher prenatal T
 
Dude she got it wrong.

Literally 1,000s of credible sources prove that: longer RING finger = higher prenatal T
cinema studies :feelskek:
 
The whole Prenatal T thing is cope and most studies seems to be wrong btw (it's a meme)

also

No, they stem from shitty genetics and in some cases tragic events in life that screw up healthy social development
 
I don't believe this index bullshit, my ring finger is longer than my pointer yet i'm a average/low t guy with glasses and scoliosis. I'm just tall, that's all.
 
I think i’m low t
 
When I got my test levels checked it showed there are 2 types of Test: 'Free Testosterone' and 'Total Testosterone'.

From what I gathered, Total Test affects growth of face, strength of bones, development of voice box, and all that. Whereas Free Test affects your mood, sex drive, energy levels, etc.
 
I don't believe this index bullshit, my ring finger is longer than my pointer yet i'm a average/low t guy with glasses and scoliosis. I'm just tall, that's all.
Weird flex but ok
 
As I suggest, it's complicated:



Men with short index fingers and long ring fingers tend to be nicer toward women, according to a new study, to be published in the March issue of the journal Personality and Individual Differences. The finding could be a result of sex hormone exposure in the womb, scientists say.

I already saw a discussion on a female exclusive subreddit (must have been /truefemcels or /fds), where they theorized that "the hatred" of incels come from low prenatal T/high E, which causes that these males see females foremost as competitors, not as desirable objects like high T men. I think, that even in incel community the men with feminine 2D:4D digit ratio are a strong minority. (in the last thread I saw here about that it was ca. 1/5 - which may be higher than in the whole population, but I would not define as "incel trait" perse.

At least I can confirm - I didn't give a shit about pedestaling women and chivalry aka "being nicer toward women", but they treated me mostly like air anyway.

More interesting is the connection to adult T levels:
Second to fourth digit ratio, adult testosterone level and testosterone deficiency.
García-Cruz E1, Huguet J, Piqueras M, Ribal MJ, Alcaraz A.
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Abstract
OBJECTIVES:

The ratio of the second and fourth finger lengths (2D/4D) is related to intrauterine exposure to testosterone. The relationship between 2D/4D and adult hormonal pattern is controversial. The aim of our study was to determine if there was a relationship between adult serum testosterone levels and the 2D/4D ratio.
PATIENTS AND METHODS:
We prospectively recruited 204 consecutive patients referred for transrectal prostate biopsy between January 2008 and June 2009. The same physician performed clinical examinations, 2D/4D measurements and the transrectal biopsy in all cases. Cut-off points of 231 and 346 ng/dL testosterone (8 and 12 nmol/L) were used. 2D/4D determination was done with a vernier calliper on the left hand. The hormonal profile (testosterone and sexual hormone binding globulin) of the patients was determined between 7.00 am and 11.00 am. Age, weight, height, body mass index, toxic habits, digital rectal examination, prostate-specific antigen and 2D and 4D measurements were recorded prospectively.
RESULTS:
The mean age was 67 ± 7 years and the mean testosterone level was 413 ± 18 ng/dL (14.33 ± 0.62 nmol/L). The percentages of patients with testosterone <231 ng/dL (8 nmol/L) and testosterone <346 ng/dL (12 nmol/L) were 6.1 and 30.6 respectively. Univariate analysis showed that low 2D/4D ratios were related to higher levels of testosterone (B=-741.98; β=-0.165, P= 0.045) and also with low prevalence of biochemical hypogonadism (testosterone <346 ng/dL). Mean 2D/4D ratio in patients with testosterone >346 ng/dL was lower than in patients with testosterone <346 ng/dL (2D/4D 0.97 ± 0.037 vs 0.99 ± 0.043 depending on their hormonal status, P= 0.05). High 2D/4D ratio was associated with low testosterone serum levels (P= 0.046).
CONCLUSIONS:
The 2D/4D ratio is related to adult testosterone levels and the presence of testosterone deficiency syndrome. Patients with high 2D/4D ratios have lower testosterone levels and higher risk of testosterone deficiency syndrome.
Short: Yes, still matters. It is over for 2D:4Dcels. Never began.

On the other side there is a metastudy which denied over all such relation:

4. General Discussion [...]
Our review pertaines to 32 relationships between putative indicators of prenatal androgenization (left hand 2D:4D, right hand 2D:4D, Dr-l ) and measures of circulating levels of sex hormones (total T, bioavailable T, E2, LH, FSH, and progesterone). Several significant relationships, involving T, FSH, and LH, were obtained for men. However, these relationships depended largely or entirely on one highly atypical sample of infertile men (Manning et al., 2004). Without the results from this sample, we obtained data on 29 relationships. Only one of them, pertaining to right hand 2D:4D and FSH in men, was statistically significant. For a number of reasons, this finding does not challenge the usefulness of 2D:4D as an indicator of prenatal androgenization. First, given the large number of associations examined, this finding may well have arisen from chance. Second, although statistically significant, the relationship was very small (r = .12). Third, and most importantly, considerations regarding the effects of sex hormones on behavior and cognition focus on T in males and on T, estrogen, and progesterone in females (e.g., Fitch and Denenberg, 1998; Keefe, 2002). We are not aware of results or considerations that suggest an effect of current FSH levels on men’s behavior or cognition. For the theoretically more important hormones, T, estrogen, and progesterone, the present evidence does not suggest an association with 2D:4D or Dr-l in the normal population. A word of caution is in order regarding the relationship between 2D:4D and circulating T levels in men. Recently, van den Bergh and Dewitte (2006) found that 2D:4D predicts T spikes triggered by sexual cues in men. Thus, researchers should ensure that obtained relationships between 2D:4D and actual behavior do not reflect effects of a transient T spike (e.g. caused by the presence of an attractive experimenter) on that behavior. 14 Our review was entirely based on published studies. The results of published studies may not be representative for the results of all studies that have investigated the particular question of interest. This is because statistically significant studies as compared to statistically non significant studies have a higher chance to get published. The resulting underrepresentation of non significant results is a potential threat to the validity of meta-analyses (e.g., Begg, 1994). This is not true in our case because unpublished, non significant results would strengthen but not weaken our conclusions. However, one should keep in mind that the absence of evidence is not the same as the evidence of absence. Those of our results that did not pertain to T were often based on only one sample, and the respective confidence intervals were often large. Thus, we cannot rule out that future studies may reveal moderate associations between 2D:4D or Dr-l and levels of circulating sex hormones in the normal population. However, the present evidence suggests that neither 2D:4D nor Dr-l are associated with adults’ sex hormone levels in healthy adults. This supports the validity of 2D:4D as a means to study the effects of prenatal androgenization on human behavior and cognition

But the last bold statements are also a bit cucked. When you don't get a T spike in view of hot women, then you are less a man, at least with fewer chances of success.
And for me low T was obvious from puberty to now and twice tested so the relation is for my n=1 study there.
 
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Cope. Longer index than ring fingers mean you were exposed to high prenatal testosterone, but this paradoxically suggests that you are less physically coordinated and more verbal, probably because excess testosterone converts to estrogen and vice-versa.

The fact that @Colvin76 has larger ring fingers than index fingers, which means he was exposed to low prenatal testosterone, makes sense given how he has admitted to being involved in many physical altercations.

As for me, my index and ring fingers are the same length, which means I was meant for a slow life history strategy that features faithfulness in relationships :feelsrope:
You got it mixed up, longer ring finger means higher prenatal testosterone
MOST sources say that longer ring finger means higher prenatal T, but @Atavistic Autist is saying otherwise
He's wrong, longer ring finger = higher prenatal test
 
Yeah, it cleared up with the next post @randomguy1235 .

JFL. Imagine being a new father and to see on the first or second look at your baby's hands that he is probably gonna end on .co and your family line.
 
Low inhibition, taller height, better facial structure, less nervousness, these are all things high testosterone provides you with. I bet most of the ppl here are low-T. I know i am because my T levels were around 590 when I got them done. My index finger is also longer than my ring finger, confirming I got less testosterone in the womb.
"A mother may also expose her baby to more estrogen in the womb if she herself is exposed to a high level of “xenoestrogens,” chemicals that imitate estrogens in the body, and that are found in nearly everything – from plastics and gasoline to cosmetics and shampoo."

So basically we're all failures because our mothers used too much shampoo and cosmetics when they were pregnant.

Brutal.
my ring finger is longer than my pointer
GTFO fakecel
 
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Low inhibition, taller height, better facial structure, less nervousness, these are all things high testosterone provides you with. I bet most of the ppl here are low-T. I know i am because my T levels were around 590 when I got them done. My index finger is also longer than my ring finger, confirming I got less testosterone in the womb.

Can these things be overridden somewhat by injecting Test? Should theoretically reduce cortisol production and give energy, perhaps a little more aggression might also be useful to become more assertive.
 
its all about genes
 
I have a low digit ratio and I'm high inhibition and I avoid conflict with people, and I'm ugly. I tend to score high in Emotionality and Agreeableness (Female traits) on personality tests, and I'm mostly good at verbal rather than logic.
 
Autism has been linked with high levels of prenatal testosterone
 

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