It's Over Déjà vu and Eternal Return: My Worst Fear

[stranger]

One less known cope that some incels have is probably reincarnation, and I can see why some people believe in it. You've lived an absolutely miserable existence as an incel, and you wish you could forget all of this and start anew. However, if this theory is true, (big if) then it's a double-edged sword. Your chances of coming back as Chad is minimal and you could also be reincarnated into a conjoined twin.

There is also the theory of eternal return, which is essentially hell if you are an incel. Basically it means that you will live the same life over and over again, helpless to change things. Chad will breed your oneitis over and over again, and you will always live this existence.

I know that the theory of reincarnation and eternal return is unlikely to be true. However, the Déjà vu moments that I've experienced quite often throughout my life, makes me believe otherwise. Déjà vu is the phenomenon of feeling as though one has lived through the present situation before, and it horrifies me every time it happens.

I really don't want to live this shitty life again, I want to start over as something better, or at least just let it end. Though it seems like as an incel, all of the worst case scenarios will always happen.

 

[joocel52]

Dam man i feel you, i always think of that too, and for some reason it sounds like it makes sense perhapes due to deja vu. sometimes when i have suicidal thoughts i have this retarded hope "maybe ill have a better life" but eternal return is terror for people like us

 

[stranger]

Dam man i feel you, i always think of that too, and for some reason it sounds like it makes sense perhapes due to deja vu. sometimes when i have suicidal thoughts i have this retarded hope "maybe ill have a better life" but eternal return is terror for people like us

What makes it so painful is that I made many mistakes throughout my life. A big chunk of the reasons for my inceldom was actually my fault. Not only do I live life in an incel body but I might make the same mistakes over and over again.

 

[joocel52]

What makes it so painful is that I made many mistakes throughout my life. A big chunk of the reasons for my inceldom was actually my fault. Not only do I live life in an incel body but I might make the same mistakes over and over again.

same. if i was less retarded as a kid and teen i would def be far less miserable today. if we are to repeat the same mistakes for eternity, thats pure terror. may that not be the case

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Sometimes I like to think that everyone will be sent to hell (which at least most humans deserve anyways, despite what moralfags claim) and we will all be equal there. No more looking down on me, no more me suffering while they get whatever they want, everyone will get hurt like they always deserved and I'll get to enjoy it

 

[Darth Aries]

The silver lining to this theory is you forget 99.9 percent of your past life to the point where deja vu is the one and only time you get a glimpse of your previous life.

If you were a newborn baby with your entire knowledge of your life beforehand, that would truly be hell. But it doesn’t seem to work that way. There is actually a theory out there that everyone and everything that has ever existed is actually one conscious transporting itself after every life, meaning that the foid you see walking down the street is you in a different life, same with the president of the United States, and basically every human or animal that has ever existed and will exist.

It means you are the only one currently alive and conscious, and everyone and everything around are simply replays of previous lives or future reincarnations. It essentially means that we are all one being. I am you and you are me, and each time we reincarnate we are meant to learn something until we ascend to be godlike in billions or even trillions of lives from now. Here is a video explaining the full concept:


View: https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI?si=k8SBdgMYUFcyeT0K

 

[Cuckoja]

If dejavu is indicator of reincarnation, it would mean that we recognize a moment that we already lived. So it would be reliving same hell over and over again.

 

[Cuckoja]

Even if it wasn't the same, i wouldn't want it.

 

[Icarus]

Sometimes I like to think that everyone will be sent to hell (which at least most humans deserve anyways, despite what moralfags claim) and we will all be equal there. No more looking down on me, no more me suffering while they get whatever they want, everyone will get hurt like they always deserved and I'll get to enjoy it

Cope. Nobody deserves eternal punishment for a finite life

 

[Icarus]

The silver lining to this theory is you forget 99.9 percent of your past life to the point where deja vu is the one and only time you get a glimpse of your previous life.

If you were a newborn baby with your entire knowledge of your life beforehand, that would truly be hell. But it doesn’t seem to work that way. There is actually a theory out there that everyone and everything that has ever existed is actually one conscious transporting itself after every life, meaning that the foid you see walking down the street is you in a different life, same with the president of the United States, and basically every human or animal that has ever existed and will exist.

It means you are the only one currently alive and conscious, and everyone and everything around are simply replays of previous lives or future reincarnations. It essentially means that we are all one being. I am you and you are me, and each time we reincarnate we are meant to learn something until we ascend to be godlike in billions or even trillions of lives from now. Here is a video explaining the full concept:


View: https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI?si=k8SBdgMYUFcyeT0K

It's a cool theory, but life is ultimately pointless so I doubt this is the case. Plus why create something to learn from it if you already know the outcome of what you created?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

The silver lining to this theory is you forget 99.9 percent of your past life to the point where deja vu is the one and only time you get a glimpse of your previous life.

If you were a newborn baby with your entire knowledge of your life beforehand, that would truly be hell. But it doesn’t seem to work that way. There is actually a theory out there that everyone and everything that has ever existed is actually one conscious transporting itself after every life, meaning that the foid you see walking down the street is you in a different life, same with the president of the United States, and basically every human or animal that has ever existed and will exist.

It means you are the only one currently alive and conscious, and everyone and everything around are simply replays of previous lives or future reincarnations. It essentially means that we are all one being. I am you and you are me, and each time we reincarnate we are meant to learn something until we ascend to be godlike in billions or even trillions of lives from now. Here is a video explaining the full concept:


View: https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI?si=k8SBdgMYUFcyeT0K

Cope. Nobody deserves eternal punishment for a finite life

Why not? Do you really think if they lived forever, they would change their nature and suddenly become good? They would be evil forever and deserve hell forever. Or do you think we should only give them hell for as many years as they lived? As if they wouldn't be evil for longer if they could be

 

[Icarus]

Why not? Do you really think if they lived forever, they would change their nature and suddenly become good? They would be evil forever and deserve hell forever. Or do you think we should only give them hell for as many years as they lived? As if they wouldn't be evil for longer if they could be

The only person who deserves hell is the creator of this place because he created everyone to suffer. Millions upon millions being born without wanting to be born in the first place. Forced against our wills to be slaves.

It all stems from the creator of this world.

 

[Darth Aries]

It's a cool theory, but life is ultimately pointless so I doubt this is the case. Plus why create something to learn from it if you already know the outcome of what you created?

I guess creating a vast expanse of life full of different versions of you is better than floating in a plane of nothingness

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

The only person who deserves hell is the creator of this place because he created everyone to suffer. Millions upon millions being born without wanting to be born in the first place. Forced against our wills to be slaves.

It all stems from the creator of this world.

Your assuming that there is a entity/person behind our creation, maybe it isn't so simple as a man or creature like many think. Either way I'd enjoy seeing the wicked of this world suffer in hell whether they "deserve" it or not. I didn't deserve the unfairness they gave to me, so why should things be fair to them?

 

[Icarus]

I guess creating a vast expanse of life full of different versions of you is better than floating in a plane of nothingness

True, but beyond a certain point there's nothing to learn anymore and everything just loses it's luster.

Plus we're not even sure that there is only one god. Even in the Bible one of the lines says "thou shall not worship any other god except me".

It could be taken literal and we wouldn't know.

 

[Icarus]

Your assuming that there is a entity/person behind our creation, maybe it isn't so simple as a man or creature like many think. Either way I'd enjoy seeing the wicked of this world suffer in hell whether they "deserve" it or not. I didn't deserve the unfairness they gave to me, so why should things be fair to them?

There has to be something that made all of this. Everything is too thought out to be purely coincidental.

I just think it's wrong in general because if most people are evil naturally and there is no changing them, then it is safe to assume they were born that way, so the blame does not entirely fall on them because they didn't choose to be that way.

But I also believe that everything is predetermined, and a lot of people don't jive with those sort of opinions.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

There has to be something that made all of this. Everything is too thought out to be purely coincidental.

I just think it's wrong in general because if most people are evil naturally and there is no changing them, then it is safe to assume they were born that way, so the blame does not entirely fall on them because they didn't choose to be that way.

But I also believe that everything is predetermined, and a lot of people don't jive with those sort of opinions.

Whether things are predetermined or coincidental does not matter to me, whether scum were bound to choose to torment others from the start or if it just happened on a whim is irrelevant. It happened, they "chose" it, the state of you is what you are without excuses. Fairness does not exist, it is a concept made by blue pilled moralfags so you think if you behave and be good that good things will come back to you, but in reality it is often reverse. If any sort of moral law exists, it is that evil is rewarded and karma is reverse. Not that I think we should be evil to non evil people thobeit, we aren't normies

 

[Icarus]

Whether things are predetermined or coincidental does not matter to me, whether scum were bound to choose to torment others from the start or if it just happened on a whim is irrelevant. It happened, they "chose" it, the state of you is what you are without excuses. Fairness does not exist, it is a concept made by blue pilled moralfags so you think if you behave and be good that good things will come back to you, but in reality it is often reverse. If any sort of moral law exists, it is that evil is rewarded and karma is reverse. Not that I think we should be evil to non evil people thobeit, we aren't normies

Yeah everything has been flipped on its head. Good is evil and evil is good. It's the main reason why incels get cast out because we wish to avoid stepping on others.

 

[stranger]

The silver lining to this theory is you forget 99.9 percent of your past life to the point where deja vu is the one and only time you get a glimpse of your previous life.

If you were a newborn baby with your entire knowledge of your life beforehand, that would truly be hell. But it doesn’t seem to work that way. There is actually a theory out there that everyone and everything that has ever existed is actually one conscious transporting itself after every life, meaning that the foid you see walking down the street is you in a different life, same with the president of the United States, and basically every human or animal that has ever existed and will exist.

It means you are the only one currently alive and conscious, and everyone and everything around are simply replays of previous lives or future reincarnations. It essentially means that we are all one being. I am you and you are me, and each time we reincarnate we are meant to learn something until we ascend to be godlike in billions or even trillions of lives from now. Here is a video explaining the full concept:


View: https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI?si=k8SBdgMYUFcyeT0K

I literally made a thread on this exact topic a while ago.

"The Egg" By Andy Weir: My Last and Best Cope

TLDR: In the story, a the main character "You" dies in a car accident. Shortly after, You go to "Heaven" where you discovers the meaning of life: You are constantly reincarnated into all human beings who have ever lived. It's a really nice short story that beautifully portrays Death, Afterlife...

incels.is

Give it a read.

Hope my next and last runs are the lives of a Chad

 

[starystulejarz]

Reincarnation is the hell that all've been talking about. Jesus won't be your salvation he is a traitor and a shapeshifter lizard just like his dragon daddy that wants you to go back to this cursed planet instead of flying somewhere else.

 

[Icarus]

Reincarnation is the hell that all've been talking about. Jesus won't be your salvation he is a traitor and a shapeshifter lizard just like his dragon daddy that wants you to go back to this cursed planet instead of flying somewhere else.

Don't go towards the light

 

[joocel52]

The only person who deserves hell is the creator of this place because he created everyone to suffer. Millions upon millions being born without wanting to be born in the first place. Forced against our wills to be slaves.

It all stems from the creator of this world.

gnosticism is based

 

[Icarus]

gnosticism is based

And the most likely to be true as well. It explains so much.

 

[joocel52]

And the most likely to be true as well. It explains so much.

if the universe has a creator who has a human like perception of morlaity, than gnosticism is certainely real. my question is - would the gnostic method of allowing the soul to escape material reality be real too?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

gnosticism is based

How would you even escape the demiurge though??? I just posted a excerpt from dugin in the lounge and it says that maybe "sin for salvation" is the way but it sounds very heinous and vantapilled compared to the be good despite evil shit

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

How would you even escape the demiurge though??? I just posted a excerpt from dugin in the lounge and it says that maybe "sin for salvation" is the way but it sounds very heinous and vantapilled compared to the be good despite evil shit

Not lounge sorry, philosophy

 

[joocel52]

How would you even escape the demiurge though??? I just posted a excerpt from dugin in the lounge and it says that maybe "sin for salvation" is the way but it sounds very heinous and vantapilled compared to the be good despite evil shit

with all respect to dugin brocel, it is implied in all forms of gnosticism that the demiurge is an inferior and rather foolish being, and that the true, good god is able to send messangers and angels to save humanity. for example in mandeaism by worshipping the uthras one can escape this world

 

[joocel52]

Not lounge sorry, philosophy

due to the human soul being pure light like the eternal god, it can reunite with it, and it is qualititevely diffrenet from the material world

 

[Icarus]

if the universe has a creator who has a human like perception of morlaity, than gnosticism is certainely real. my question is - would the gnostic method of allowing the soul to escape material reality be real too?

I really hope so. As to what lies beyond the material though, I have no idea.

It has to be better then this though, it has to.

 

[joocel52]

I really hope so. As to what lies beyond the material though, I have no idea.

It has to be better then this though, it has to.

 

[Icarus]

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I'm not even sure there is a good god out there. I've seen no evidence to his existence. The devil on the other hand is very real, and he watches over this place with a steady hand.

 

[joocel52]

I'm not even sure there is a good god out there. I've seen no evidence to his existence. The devil on the other hand is very real, and he watches over this place with a steady hand.

true. i participated very little in life, but there are moments of happiness here and there. though im a pessimist and an atheist, sometimes it makes me think. idk nigga

 

[Icarus]

true. i participated very little in life, but there are moments of happiness here and there. though im a pessimist and an atheist, sometimes it makes me think. idk nigga

All happiness leads back to the same place though. Dissatisfaction.

So was there really any happiness to begin with?

 

[Apex.]

That is fucked up I hope it's not how it works

 

[joocel52]

All happiness leads back to the same place though. Dissatisfaction.

So was there really any happiness to begin with?

til lage 13 or so there was. back than i was at peace with the world

 

[Adolf Kitler]

gnosticism is based

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

due to the human soul being pure light like the eternal god, it can reunite with it, and it is qualititevely diffrenet from the material world

Here's the part of the excerpt I was referencing:

"He does not act in this way out of vulgar "Satanism". Theophanes sees the accumulation of sins and the acceptance of heaviness in the soul as a special path to paradoxical holiness - to the Grad, which lies on the other side of the Existence. In such an optics, the Being Himself appears as a rather ambiguous character. Karpov writes: "But the Being is fierce, jealous. He executes those who are more merciful and loving than Him with stinking, intolerable executions. He rejected the angel of life, who begged for forgiveness for Eve and Adam, and made him an angel of death.

Theophanes combines extreme evil and extreme holiness. But his way is the way of hardship, agony, accumulation of sins, suffering, torture, torture and evil in order to force the Being Himself to step aside and reveal the secret sun of the Bright Grad. This is the meaning of the Gnostic tradition, the "path of the left hand""

I think the reason this appeals to me so much is that
A. It is the opposite of blue pilled cuck theology
B. I almost want it, as a way to retaliate and rebel against a world that spits on goodness yet demands I continue moral subservience
C. It seems more plausible to me then any traditional religion/worshipping. Their ations speak infinitely more then their words, despite what society wants us to think, and I already know that normies are evil in action (and rewarded for it) but continue to both claim to be good and frame others as bad. They cannot accept their own evil, or even the goodness of others. Maybe people like us should just embrace the synthesis and let out evil will against them, otherwise we are subjugated and will never really know our own true, only, and unforced moral selves.

It sounds a bit crazy/retarded to most but it feels like a possible path for me, if things really become intolerable

Full Thread 'Excerpts from Dugin talking about a fictional/philosophical work, this is all from him. Would just like to share it because it's intriguing' https://incels.is/threads/excerpts-...ke-to-share-it-because-its-intriguing.684184/

 

[joocel52]

Here's the part of the excerpt I was referencing:

"He does not act in this way out of vulgar "Satanism". Theophanes sees the accumulation of sins and the acceptance of heaviness in the soul as a special path to paradoxical holiness - to the Grad, which lies on the other side of the Existence. In such an optics, the Being Himself appears as a rather ambiguous character. Karpov writes: "But the Being is fierce, jealous. He executes those who are more merciful and loving than Him with stinking, intolerable executions. He rejected the angel of life, who begged for forgiveness for Eve and Adam, and made him an angel of death.

Theophanes combines extreme evil and extreme holiness. But his way is the way of hardship, agony, accumulation of sins, suffering, torture, torture and evil in order to force the Being Himself to step aside and reveal the secret sun of the Bright Grad. This is the meaning of the Gnostic tradition, the "path of the left hand""

I think the reason this appeals to me so much is that
A. It is the opposite of blue pilled cuck theology
B. I almost want it, as a way to retaliate and rebel against a world that spits on goodness yet demands I continue moral subservience
C. It seems more plausible to me then any traditional religion/worshipping. Their ations speak infinitely more then their words, despite what society wants us to think, and I already know that normies are evil in action (and rewarded for it) but continue to both claim to be good and frame others as bad. They cannot accept their own evil, or even the goodness of others. Maybe people like us should just embrace the synthesis and let out evil will against them, otherwise we are subjugated and will never really know our own true, only, and unforced moral selves.

It sounds a bit crazy/retarded to most but it feels like a possible path for me, if things really become intolerable

Full Thread 'Excerpts from Dugin talking about a fictional/philosophical work, this is all from him. Would just like to share it because it's intriguing' https://incels.is/threads/excerpts-...ke-to-share-it-because-its-intriguing.684184/

which theophanes is he talking off? and grad is the slavic word for city... to my knowledge this figure doesnt come from gnostic texts. I am not dismissing dugin's sayings on this have value, but this seems to not have much tie with the historical gnostic movements that have existed

 

[joocel52]

Here's the part of the excerpt I was referencing:

"He does not act in this way out of vulgar "Satanism". Theophanes sees the accumulation of sins and the acceptance of heaviness in the soul as a special path to paradoxical holiness - to the Grad, which lies on the other side of the Existence. In such an optics, the Being Himself appears as a rather ambiguous character. Karpov writes: "But the Being is fierce, jealous. He executes those who are more merciful and loving than Him with stinking, intolerable executions. He rejected the angel of life, who begged for forgiveness for Eve and Adam, and made him an angel of death.

Theophanes combines extreme evil and extreme holiness. But his way is the way of hardship, agony, accumulation of sins, suffering, torture, torture and evil in order to force the Being Himself to step aside and reveal the secret sun of the Bright Grad. This is the meaning of the Gnostic tradition, the "path of the left hand""

I think the reason this appeals to me so much is that
A. It is the opposite of blue pilled cuck theology
B. I almost want it, as a way to retaliate and rebel against a world that spits on goodness yet demands I continue moral subservience
C. It seems more plausible to me then any traditional religion/worshipping. Their ations speak infinitely more then their words, despite what society wants us to think, and I already know that normies are evil in action (and rewarded for it) but continue to both claim to be good and frame others as bad. They cannot accept their own evil, or even the goodness of others. Maybe people like us should just embrace the synthesis and let out evil will against them, otherwise we are subjugated and will never really know our own true, only, and unforced moral selves.

It sounds a bit crazy/retarded to most but it feels like a possible path for me, if things really become intolerable

Full Thread 'Excerpts from Dugin talking about a fictional/philosophical work, this is all from him. Would just like to share it because it's intriguing' https://incels.is/threads/excerpts-...ke-to-share-it-because-its-intriguing.684184/

furthermore, our nowledge of gnosticism mostly associates it with "right path" magic, with a tendency for moralism and resignation... i think dugin is larping here a bit like evola's weird interpratation of buddhism

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

which theophanes is he talking off? and grad is the slavic word for city... to my knowledge this figure doesnt come from gnostic texts. I am not dismissing dugin's sayings on this have value, but this seems to not have much tie with the historical gnostic movements that have existed

It is not traditional gnostic scripture, he's talking about the book "The flame" which is a philosophy revealed as fiction

 

[joocel52]

It is not traditional gnostic scripture, he's talking about the book "The flame" which is a philosophy revealed as fiction

ahh ok than... i just think in that case aplying the term gnosticism is problematic. it would be similar to claiming a modern slavic pagan has the same beliefs as a7 century one, which is nonsense. who wrote that book doe, did he do it?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

ahh ok than... i just think in that case aplying the term gnosticism is problematic. it would be similar to claiming a modern slavic pagan has the same beliefs as a7 century one, which is nonsense. who wrote that book doe, did he do it?

The book is by the old writer Pimen Karpov and he was hated because normies saw his book as just revulsive evil, dugin read his work and thought that the sins depicted in the book weren't made for simple shock purposes and had a deeper meaning so he explained it

 

[joocel52]

The book is by the old writer Pimen Karpov and he was hated because normies saw his book as just revulsive evil, dugin read his work and thought that the sins depicted in the book weren't made for simple shock purposes and had a deeper meaning so he explained it

intersting, ill definitely be reading about that

 

[stranger]

It has to be better then this though, it has to.

I’m praying to all higher forms that you are right.

That is fucked up I hope it's not how it works

I hope.

The book is by the old writer Pimen Karpov and he was hated because normies saw his book as just revulsive evil, dugin read his work and thought that the sins depicted in the book weren't made for simple shock purposes and had a deeper meaning so he explained it

this shit is a little too high IQ and sophisticated for my deep fried brain, but I’ll have a look.