Debunking Stewer Stomper's argument on racial differences in grey matter volume (GMV) of key ROIs among white people and black people

[Caesercel]

In our discussion on race, @Sewer Stomper presented me with what looks like screenshot of a research article on racial differences in grey matter volume between white people and black people. Here it is,

Ok. So while reading this the first red flag to me was that it is published in "The Journal of the Alzheimer's association". And I was like, wait a minute, Alzheimers? let's check this out. So I googled a bit and found the website of "Alzheimer's association" which publishes this journal. They are at their 22nd issue now and as we can see this article was released in the 16th issue. I couldn't find the 16th volume on the website but fortunately there was a search function. So I searched by author's name and found the exact article which you can read here.

Article link

For your benefit I'll post an excerpt from the abstract:

Background​

Previous studies indicate there are racial differences in the prevalence of Alzheimer’s Disease or other dementias, suggesting older Blacks are about twice as likely to have dementia as older Whites. Incorporating neuroimaging measures is necessary to understand the neural pathology underlying the mechanisms of these racial disparities, however limited data exists on neuroimaging outcomes among racially diverse adults of advanced age.

Method​

We examined cross-sectional associations of race and memory-related gray matter volume (GMV) regions of interest (ROIs) in 263 community-sampled adults (mean age 83, 57% female, 39% Black) from the Healthy Brain Project, a substudy of the Health, Aging, and Body Composition Study. Generalized linear models were used to test associations between race and memory-related GMV ROIs (hippocampus, posterior cingulate cortex, parahippocampal gyrus, and entorhinal cortex), quantified using magnetic resonance imaging.

Result​

Compared to Whites, Blacks consistently showed smaller GMV in four memory related ROIs, cross-sectionally. Racial differences in GMV remained in the parahippocampal gyrus (β=-433.42, 95% CI: -642.96, -233.87) and entorhinal cortex (β=-159.18, 95%CI: -245.89, -72.48), after adjusting for demographic, environmental, and psychosocial covariates.

Conclusion​

The association between gray matter volume of memory-related ROIs and race is only partially explained by the demographic, environmental, and psychosocial factors considered in the present study. Quantitative bias analysis will be used to address whether these findings are the result of selection bias due to racial differences in recruitment.

What this means in plain english is that they took a bunch of brain scans from a sample space of around, like 250 adults and did their thing. But there's something else here. You can see that they are testing normal adults instead of alzhiemer's patients so this has nothing to do with the disease and the conclusions can be generalised for the entire racial populations, right? EXCEPT, the average age of the bloke being tested is 83.

Yes 83, you read that right. These are a bunch of fucking geriatrics on their death bed. So what conclusions we can draw from this? That from THIS PARTICULAR 263 large sample of old dudes and dudettes, whose brain mass has been dying out for who knows how long, the whites ones seem to have more grey matter in some key parts of the brain than the black ones. And on top of that the conclusion says that this is still an open question subject to analysis of selection bias in racial recruitment.

But this is the conclusion that @Sewer Stomper wants me to draw from this, and I quote,

niggers are dumber than whites because they have smaller brain regions and less brain matter than whites even when of the same economic/social/mental health background. You can point to an individual nigger who is smarter than an individual white but that's like pointing out a specific female who's stronger than a man, racism and sexism exist because of the natural genetically caused averages not the exceptions.

The funny part here is that the ROIs this study focuses on are the ones linked with memory. Which means they are looking at grey matter in brain parts that are associated with memory. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE AT ALL. And the worst thing is that this much is actually mentioned in the otherwise carefully cropped screenshot that he posted. Of course they are testing memory of geriatrics. It's a fucking Alzheimers journal.

This is of course not a reflection on @Sewer Stomper but more of a comment on misinformation. And not trusting memeographic jpgs being shared around /pol/ and other forums that appeal to personal biases, on face value without due dilligence.

 

[Caichan]

 

[Caesercel]

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Me when I read the article.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

At the end of the day this is a bunch of yapping bullshit excuses because studies on younger people always find the same thing as well. It isn't cause they are old (which doesn't make sense anyways, everyone in this study was old not just the blacks).

Blacks have lower cerebral volume:

Variability in Frontotemporal Brain Structure: The Importance of Recruitment of African Americans in Neuroscience Research

Background Variation in brain structure is both genetically and environmentally influenced. The question about potential differences in brain anatomy across populations of differing race and ethnicity remains a controversial issue. There are few studies specifically examining racial or ethnic...

journals.plos.org

"volumetric differences in choroid plexus, supratentorial, white matter, and subcortical brain structures."

Frontiers | Brain morphological variability between whites and African Americans: the importance of racial identity in brain imaging research

In a segregated society, marked by a historical background of inequalities, there is a consistent under-representation of ethnic and racial minorities in bio...

www.frontiersin.org

Rich black kids are stupid compared to rich whites:

Race, Ethnicity, Family Socioeconomic Status, and Children's Hippocampus Volume - PubMed

The effect of subjective family SES on children's hippocampus volume is weaker in Black than White families.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[VanGobbel]

 

[Caesercel]

It isn't cause they are old (which doesn't make sense anyways, everyone in this study was old not just the blacks).

I guess the point was that the conclusion that black people are stupider than white people cannot rest of the premise of a bunch of old brain rotted black dudes being a little bit more brain rotted than a bunch of old brain rotted white dudes. Anyway moving on..

Blacks have lower cerebral volume:

Variability in Frontotemporal Brain Structure: The Importance of Recruitment of African Americans in Neuroscience Research

Background Variation in brain structure is both genetically and environmentally influenced. The question about potential differences in brain anatomy across populations of differing race and ethnicity remains a controversial issue. There are few studies specifically examining racial or ethnic...

journals.plos.org

Variation in brain structure is both genetically and environmentally influenced.

This was a case control study in the setting of an academic medical center outpatient service. Participants consisted of 44 Caucasians and 33 ethnic minorities.

77 participants
can't make this shit up.

The biological implications of our findings are unclear as we do not know what factors may be contributing to these observed differences.

as well as in white matter anatomy [7], and the authors have speculated that some of these differences may be related to the environmental influence of the subject's native language

African-American individuals exhibiting greater aging-related increases than Caucasians in cerebral ventricle volume

although there were no statistically significant differences in total gray matter, total white matter, or ventricular CSF volumes.

the only statistically significant difference was that African-Americans exhibited larger left OFC volumes than Caucasians.

and look at this one

There is sensitivity surrounding this debate, and race and ethnicity have a history of being used “as a cause for discrimination, prejudice, marginalization and subjugation” in the United States

The article you linked predicted your own comment retroactively before it was even made, 15 years in advance.

information about race and ethnicity are useful for identifying genetic and environmental influences on psychiatric illness [34] and may have clinical utility for determining whether particular individuals in a population are more susceptible to particular diseases, more at risk for specific adverse events, or more likely to benefit from certain therapeutic interventions

Additionally, we did not assess other developmental factors that could moderate or mediate the relationships we observed, including personal or parental socioeconomic status, childhood exposures, trauma, or health habits. Our measure of education is an imperfect proxy for socioeconomic status, but may be important in its own right. Many of these limitations are inherent to our study design of conducting a secondary analysis of data collected through a study not designed to test for ethnic or racial differences.

So yeah, a lot of very compelling arguments for why 40 million Americans should be shipped off to Africa. Funny part is (and I'm getting tired of this phrase), that absolutely none of this has remotely anything to do with intelligence. But leave it to a race realist fraud to misrepresent medical research done to develop ethnicity specific brain treatment plans and use it to push their own degenerate policies.

 

[Hikicripple]

In our discussion on race, @Sewer Stomper presented me with what looks like screenshot of a research article on racial differences in grey matter volume between white people and black people. Here it is,



Ok. So while reading this the first red flag to me was that it is published in "The Journal of the Alzheimer's association". And I was like, wait a minute, Alzheimers? let's check this out. So I googled a bit and found the website of "Alzheimer's association" which publishes this journal. They are at their 22nd issue now and as we can see this article was released in the 16th issue. I couldn't find the 16th volume on the website but fortunately there was a search function. So I searched by author's name and found the exact article which you can read here.

Article link

For your benefit I'll post an excerpt from the abstract:



What this means in plain english is that they took a bunch of brain scans from a sample space of around, like 250 adults and did their thing. But there's something else here. You can see that they are testing normal adults instead of alzhiemer's patients so this has nothing to do with the disease and the conclusions can be generalised for the entire racial populations, right? EXCEPT, the average age of the bloke being tested is 83.

Yes 83, you read that right. These are a bunch of fucking geriatrics on their death bed. So what conclusions we can draw from this? That from THIS PARTICULAR 263 large sample of old dudes and dudettes, whose brain mass has been dying out for who knows how long, the whites ones seem to have more grey matter in some key parts of the brain than the black ones. And on top of that the conclusion says that this is still an open question subject to analysis of selection bias in racial recruitment.

But this is the conclusion that @Sewer Stomper wants me to draw from this, and I quote,



The funny part here is that the ROIs this study focuses on are the ones linked with memory. Which means they are looking at grey matter in brain parts that are associated with memory. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE AT ALL. And the worst thing is that this much is actually mentioned in the otherwise carefully cropped screenshot that he posted. Of course they are testing memory of geriatrics. It's a fucking Alzheimers journal.

This is of course not a reflection on @Sewer Stomper but more of a comment on misinformation. And not trusting memeographic jpgs being shared around /pol/ and other forums that appeal to personal biases, on face value without due dilligence.

Idc ethnics are subhumans and should be exterminated from white countries.

 

[Caesercel]

subhumans

Meaningless term that insists upon itself

white countries.

No such thing exists

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

race realist fraud

Okay, go ahead and live around niggers instead of whites. Go live in a black neighborhood or better yet, Haiti, Nigeria, Somalia. Go ahead, they are just as nice as white people!

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

No such thing exists

I'm sorry is Germany black? You stupid fucking nigger loving communists should all fucking die, hitler was right to exterminate your faggot cuckold asses.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

77 participants
can't make this shit up.

When every single study ever finds the same thing, you don't really get to claim "oh the study isn't enough it could be a one time mishap!"

So yeah, a lot of very compelling arguments for why 40 million Americans should be shipped off to Africa.

The fact multiple white people are murdered by blacks every day in this country and all I see them do is celebrate it, is reason enough. White people invented 90% of modern inventions and we made countries so great that all these niggers and Muslims decide they need to live in our countries instead of their own. We are the obviously superior race which both history and modernity proves, and we are not obligated to let these violent apes who hate us live in our country and rob us of everything we have including our lives

 

[Caesercel]

Go ahead, they are just as nice as white people!

I'm sure there are plenty of nice people. But those are pretty exploited and poor nations. I'm fine where I am.

I'm sorry is Germany black?

It's not a white country that's for sure. Just a country with white people in it.

hitler was right to exterminate your faggot cuckold asses.

What that means is he was violently suppressing working class movements in germany. Mostly formed by white working class. Very based indeed(?)

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

exploited and poor nations

Somalians can fraud billions of dollars and it's not counted as exploiting Americans but God forbid you send Somalia foreign aid, that's exploitation.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

It's not a white country that's for sure. Just a country with white people in it.

This is the most libtarded slop bullshit I've ever heard. Germans are fucking white Europeans, the German government exist for and only for the German nation, you literally just hate white people.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

working class

Marx and all those other commie Jew niggas didn't even have jobs you fagtard

 

[Caesercel]

When every single study ever finds the same thing,

Except none of the studies you post find what you want them to find.

The fact multiple white people are murdered by blacks every day in this country and all I see them do is celebrate it, is reason enough.

Uh, no it's not? From what I've heard most victims of black criminal violence are other blacks. So it's certainly not racially motivated. I presume that most racially motivated crimes were actually committed by whites against blacks, historically speaking. So if anything, it's black people who should hold a beef. Adjusting for this fact your problem becomes less of a "black people in america problem" and more of a "crime existing in america problem". The fact that those crimes might me committed at a higher rate by blacks is a mere co-incidence after the fact because, it's not racially motivated for the most part.

Somalians can fraud billions of dollars and it's not counted as exploiting Americans but God forbid you send Somalia foreign aid, that's exploitation.

Billions of dollars? Really? The exploitation is not foreign aid. The exploitation is the part where their resources are sold off for cheap, converted into products for western markets and sold at a huge profit that goes in western pockets. Compared to the absolute pittance that the average farmer or miner is paid. Again, this issue is not limited to a single race or nation. It's global and everywhere, there's a reason Marx is so demonised.

the German government exist for and only for the German nation

And for them, the german nation is not about the ethnic german people or white people of any other kind. Btw this was an ethnicity that was conjured up from thin air in 19th century. Read on German Idealism (Hegel, Goethe) followed by The German Ideology-Karl Marx.

Marx and all those other commie Jew niggas didn't even have jobs you fagtard

The working class ones absolutely did. Sure Hitler didn't killed all of them. Just decimated the leadership and crushed the working class movement. Then destroyed the unions.

 

[IWWorkER]

All this wall of cope wont change the fact that niggers lives like monkeys when non-niggers found them.

 

[MountainGorilla]

Kill yourself nigger lover I ain't reading all that shit

 

[Caesercel]

All this wall of cope wont change the fact that niggers lives like monkeys when non-niggers found them.

I would say their lifestyle at that point couldn't be anything other than human. Of course anyone with eyes who doesn't mix up exaggerated metaphor with reality can see that. Europeans were living quite similar lives 5000 years prior. That's not a whole lot of time in overall human history.

 

[Caesercel]

Kill yourself nigger lover I ain't reading all that shit

I have no particular affection towards black people. Only facts.

 

[MountainGorilla]

I have no particular affection towards black people. Only facts.

You might have confused reddit for facts

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

From what I've heard most victims of black criminal violence are other blacks.

Yeah and multiple white people are still killed every day by blacks in America, like I said.

less of a "black people in america problem" and more of a "crime existing in america problem"

Those are the same fucking problem, black people are the criminals.

Billions of dollars? Really?

Yes that's what i said

german nation is not about the ethnic german people or white people of any other kind. Btw this was an ethnicity that was conjured up from thin air in 19th century. Read on German Idealism (Hegel, Goethe) followed by The German Ideology-Karl Marx.

Your first mistake was reading what a leftist Jew had to say about something, your second was assuming that nations for some reason aren't allowed to exist or have borders just because they formed from a historical process (like every other nation ever?). Germans aren't fucking afghanis and Sudanese I can tell you that, but you'd probably say "Germans don't exist everything is a social construct!" To excuse them becoming a minority in their own country. Literally self sacrifice on the altar of "diversity" if you are white yourself

The working class ones absolutely did. Sure Hitler didn't killed all of them. Just decimated the leadership and crushed the working class movement. Then destroyed the unions.

"Working class movement" and it was a bunch of Jews and women. Wow

 

[Caesercel]

You might have confused reddit for facts

You might have confused calling things reddit for a compelling counterargument

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

I have no particular affection towards black people. Only facts.

I'd like to ask you this: do you extend the same blameless blank slate theory that you do to race, to gender? My understanding is that marxists want race and gender abolished because they are social constructs. Is that the case? Are there no women, only people who identify as women? Are all their faults and differences systemic and "material" instead of biological?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Except none of the studies you post find what you want them to find.

They found like every other study that niggers have literally smaller brains and coincidentally niggers also have lower iqs. What causes this? I do wonder what excuse you can possibly muster

 

[ManOfVengeance]

They found like every other study that niggers have literally smaller brains and coincidentally niggers also have lower iqs. What causes this? I do wonder what excuse you can possibly muster
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The first photo is good enough proof for proving their retardation.
Granted there are a few outliers of intelligent blackcels but that doesn't really negate the overall.

 

[Caesercel]

Those are the same fucking problem, black people are the criminals.

Saying that "crimes are committed by black people at an higher rate" is different from saying "black people are criminals"

The latter is balatantly false and since no one can prove that the former is caused by an essentialitst element inherent to all black people (genes, biology, bad air, demon spirit etc) , deporting all black people as a solution for crime is neither justifiable nor reasonable not viable.

Your first mistake was reading what a leftist Jew had to say about something

Hegel was neither a leftist, nor jew. But moving on.

your second was assuming that nations for some reason aren't allowed to exist or have borders just because they formed from a historical process (like every other nation ever?).

Uh, I never said that? Actually read what is being written instead of fighting random ghosts.

Germans aren't fucking afghanis and Sudanese I can tell you that, but you'd probably say "Germans don't exist everything is a social construct!" To excuse them becoming a minority in their own country. Literally self sacrifice on the altar of "diversity" if you are white yourself

You are completely missing the plot here . All I said was Germany, as it exists today, is not a white nation, nor is it an ethnic German nation. Both these things are fundamentally true. It tried that ethnic german thing three quarters of a century ago. You know, when they were busy killing other white europeans. Would you be more ok with indigenous germans becoming a minority in their own country (a laughable idea in and of itself) if the immigrants were Swede or Anglo? Or do they just "become" german once they learn the language.

"Working class movement" and it was a bunch of Jews and women. Wow
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Why talk only of the (cherry picked) leaders and not the thousands and millions who fell behind them because they found socialism worthwhile. Why am I dealing with ass-retarded Hitlerian propaganda against worker movements and their leaders 80 years after his death.

My understanding is that marxists want race and gender abolished because they are social constructs.

"Marxist" is a very broad term and I'm not sure I identify as such. The only thing Marxist here is that I tried to understand things actually written by Marx and find them compelling. None of which has anything to do with either race or gender being social constructs. My ideas on race exist quite independently from the whole Marx thing.

Are there no women, only people who identify as women?

I tried to make sense of the whole trans ideology thing but their arguments do not sit very well with me.

Are all their faults and differences systemic and "material" instead of biological?

That's a tough question. One thing I do know is that if gender differences are biological then we can at least point out to the biological phenomena that cause those differences (to a certain degree). Like that hormone does that through this mechanism or that X chromosome directly leads to that. Nothing of this sort exists in race science.

They found like every other study that niggers have literally smaller brains and coincidentally niggers also have lower iqs. What causes this? I do wonder what excuse you can possibly muster

I don't have to muster anything. Three of these memeographics that you love posting have already been run to the ground as frauds. I'm not going to do your work for you and find and read the sources for this stupidity. You think you can come here, lazily upload a bunch of jpegs and ask ME to muster up something?

If you are so susceptible to having your pre-existing biases and hatred be confirmed by a bunch of images that you can't/won't even do open minded due dilligence on them. Then that says something about YOUR intelligence more than any black person. Because I'm sure I can find many black people with enough critical thinking skills that they would not fall for this shit so easily. In fact you are SO EASY to predict that the very research you posted predicted your misuse of it 15 years in advance.

Heck, I can search up a small scale research paper in an obscure medical journal right now that compares races for some niche medicine purpose. Take some misleading screenshots, hide the context and the full picture, and send the file to you. And you will probably add it to your collection without checking anything like a total ass.

If not facing hardcore reality and facts for the sake of your emotionally driven worldview (even when that emotion is racial hatred) is not foid behaviour, I don't know what is.

tldr: post links or stfu

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Nothing of this sort exists in race science.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

The latter is balatantly false

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Germany, as it exists today, is not a white nation

What race then. Black? You haven't answered that.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

worker movements

"Workers movements" and then the actual German workers sided with the NSDAP against the homo transgender child rapist Jews calling called communists.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

I tried to make sense of the whole trans ideology thing but their arguments do not sit very well with me.

What would a leftoid like you consider wrong about them? If no behavior is caused by genetic differences and it instead must all have to do with some sort of mystical "socioeconomics" that cause even rich blacks to be more violent than poor whites, how would that blank slate theory not apply to foids or gender as a whole? After all if it's just hormones you claim cause difference in behavior, couldn't a male just take female hormones and be a woman?

 

[solblue]

Misinterpreting a source, if not straight up having a false one, is an inevitability if one is just spamming a bunch as part of an argument. It always makes me suspicious when I get a bunch of copypasta as a response

 

[yeetbender_]

All this cause they can't just admit they find blacks ugly.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Idc ethnics are subhumans and should be exterminated from white countries.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Okay, go ahead and live around niggers instead of whites. Go live in a black neighborhood or better yet, Haiti, Nigeria, Somalia. Go ahead, they are just as nice as white people!

Ethnics SJW will yap about muh White bad, niggers good, then shamelessly live in White nation what a pathetic hypocrite

 

[BlackLowLtn]

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[hatepilledandrich]

How do you feel about blacks dominating in sprinting and long distance running? Is that genetics or just something else?

 

[poorenglishcel]

All this cause they can't just admit they find blacks ugly.

 

[Caesercel]

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You literally posted this before and I linked you a video that debunks this. If your entire schtick is posting a bunch of pictures and then closing your eyes and ears to reality and truth before doing it again and again,

then why even bother?



starting from 16:30

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What part of, "crimes are committed by black people at an higher rate" is different from saying "black people are criminals", do you not understand? I claim that the latter is blatantly false and absurd and in response you post something that tries to prove the former. Because your mind cannot even see the difference. I was supposed to be the esl with shit reading comprehension here.

What race then. Black? You haven't answered that.

Nations are not humans you utter dolt. They don't have a race much like a dell laptop doesn't have a race. They can be CHARACHTERISED by a race or define themselves by people of a certain race, like Nazi Germany. NONE of which is applicable to present day germany. In fact, no nation in human history has defined itself as a white people nation (except maybe early US). That thing simply doesn't exist.

"Workers movements" and then the actual German workers sided with the NSDAP against the homo transgender child rapist Jews calling called communists.

Hitler did not have popular support when the liberals upjumped him to the position of Chancellor because they thought someone like him can suppress the scary worker movements. And he kept that promise, except he became too powerful for even the Weimar liberals who, like bumbling idiots, succumbed to their own frankestein.

how would that blank slate theory not apply to foids or gender as a whole?

Except I do not believe in any such "blank state theory". Social behaviour can very well be influenced by hereditary factors. What I call bullshit on is the idea that these hereditary factors can be clearly identified and dileneated across socially constructed racial lines. And I call bullshit on the idea that only hereditary factors explain racial differences (something all your myopic arguments seem to imply, if posting png files can be called argumentation)

There is no "low iq gene" that is present exclusively to all black people.
There is no "violence gene" present exclusively to all black people.
There is no "high iq gene" present exclusively to all white people.

You'd have to be completely oblivious to genetic science and logic itself to believe any of this.

that cause even rich blacks to be more violent than poor whites,

Still making unproven statements now, are we. Are you going to post another jpg from a study you never even read to "prove" this statement?

 

[Caesercel]

How do you feel about blacks dominating in sprinting and long distance running? Is that genetics or just something else?

Which "blacks"?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

starting from 16:30

Not watching one fucking second from a foreign communist named hakim who probably hates white people sorry I don't care

black people are criminals

Yeah they are

Nations are not humans you utter dolt

They literally are communities made up of humans with a shared background. There is individual, family, and then nation. You individually have a race, your family has a race (unless you are a mutt subhuman in which case two), and your nation has a race. For example Irish are undoubtedly white, not black or south Asian.

Still making unproven statements now, are we. Are you going to post another jpg from a study you never even read to "prove" this statement?

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

SJW

That's exactly what this faggot is. He belongs on IT talking about how evil incels are racist misogynist Nazis

 

[Caesercel]

. He belongs on IT talking about how evil incels are racist misogynist Nazis

Ironic coming from the emotional foid whose response to logic and science is "I don't care". Almost reminiscent of showing tinder data to IT.

Irish are undoubtedly white,

Irish as an ethnicity is white. Ireland as a nation is not. No nation can have a race much like a pair of sneakers can't have a race. It can have people of a certain race living in it. But no nation in 2026 defines itself by a certain ethnicity or race. Especially not a white identity. White nationalists WANT it to be so, but it'll probably never happen because white supremacy will frizzle out in a globalising world filled with chinks Jeets and niggers

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The bait was meant to be sarcastic, you were not supposed to actually catch it.

Look. This is clearly going nowhere. You constantly fail to address any of the points I've made and are also intellectually incapable of doing so. On top of that you are not approaching this from a debating and defending ideas angle but from a me vs you team match idpol angle. Which means emotional stakes and misconstruing the dismantling of arguments as a personal attack because you have too much of your identity tied to retarded neo-nazi beliefs that don't survive basic logical scrutiny. A psychological recipe for none of the facts, logic, rationality I post will ever get through the skull. Dismissing a simple youtube rebuttal of a cropped and misrepresented PNG image that you yourself posted by saying that "he must hate whites" proves that rationality has clearly gone out the window in favour of petty tribalism.

It's not like I was out to change a single person's mind anyway but some criticism to these ideas that are complemented by screenshots of misrepresented research data was much needed.

Because most ideologically biased people who don't look deeper will take these at face value if it confirms to what they already wanna believe. And you've proven yourself to be a perfect example of this phenomena

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Ironic coming from the emotional foid whose response to logic and science is "I don't care". Almost reminiscent of showing tinder data to IT.

It's not an emotional response it's common sense. I know for a fact that niggers are violent and retarded, I've seen it myself and I keep seeing it every day, I know for a fact i would be a lot safer if there were none. You can make whatever soy reddit anti white argument you want but I don't give a shit because niggers are monkeys who kill and rob people for no reason, I see it over and over again, and no words on a screen can make me magically forget that.

Irish as an ethnicity is white. Ireland as a nation is not.

This is just fucking gay and retarded. Ireland is white because its people are white, there literally doesn't exist a single Irish person on earth who isn't white. If there is, show me one. All you could bring are pictures of African immigrants living in ireland, because all Irish are white.

but it'll probably never happen because white supremacy will frizzle out in a globalising world filled with chinks Jeets and niggers

Youre so out of touch it is pathetic. Nationalism is at its height for the last 50 years, it's rapidly increasing especially in the younger generation. Remigration is coming for your nigger communist utopia and there's nothing you cuckold faggots can do about it

 

[Caesercel]

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, I know for a fact i would be a lot safer if there were none.

Yeah whatever. We've already discussed the economical ramifications of when 14% of any major country's population disappears overnight. It's funny really, even when the "I can't own slaves anymore because they have rights so better send them back" attitude kicks in, you still need them right where they are.

It's also sad in a way because that means it'll be very hard for them to get true equality owing to where they are needed in the system as it exists. Which would mean Malcolm X and Black Panthers were right about everything.

, there literally doesn't exist a single Irish person on earth who isn't white.

Good thing then that the nation called Ireland does not define itself by Irish ethnicity. (Irish ethnicity is what I presume you mean when you say "Irish person"). It's not a nation about ethnically Irish people hence it's not a nation about white people (or any subset of such).

You know, this discussion would go much easier for you if you just point to a single clause in the constitution or laws of any western nations which deem it as a "white nation" or "ethnic German nation" or "ethnic Irish nation". Ethnic roots of nationalism died just about when that bullet entered dear Adolf's brain

It seems you do not even understand your own ideology. White Nationalism is about building an exclusive nation for white people. This comes with the presumption that no such nation exists yet, that's why you have to build one. White Nationalism in America is about building America into a white nation exclusively for white Americans. Which means America is not a white nation as of now. This is basic stuff.

. Remigration is coming for your nigger communist utopia and there's nothing you cuckold faggots can do about it

Heh. Pass me the copium on that one. AT BEST, the world will devolve into multipolar nationalistic spheres of influence. Sure in this circumstance some immigration may peter out but that would be accompanied by a decline in western hegemony itself. I mean ok, less people will immigrate if western nations simply become just as poor as the rest. And if western economies and nations keep on economically declining they would have even less reasons to bring in immigrants or even keep the current ones

Either way white supremacy would still not survive in a future with poorer white people.

So go ahead, deport all the brown people, shut down your borders, commit diplomatic suicide in a jeet/chink infested world, let the populations collapse and party like its 1299. I'm certain the life of an agricultural serf in your deindustrialised white utopia will suite you best.

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

you still need them right where they are.

No we don't need them. You are functioning under a presumption they do more help than harm which is wrong.

Malcolm X and Black Panthers were right about everything.

You are anti white and a cuckold.

point to a single clause in the constitution or laws of any western nations

This isn't about governments or laws as they stand you bumbling retard, this is about NATIONS which are organic communities of the people, like Ireland (the Irish people). Ireland does have a government, but if it was annexed by the UK today and the Irish government ceased to exist, there would still be an Ireland, because the nation is it's people. If the people disappeared today there would be no ireland. Even Stalin said this, though I guess you are some other type of leftfag instead of Marxist.

It seems you do not even understand your own ideology.

No, you dont understand it, clearly proven above by your idiocy at thinking a nation just means a government. The Russian empire for example contained different nations which had no governments to represent them, which is why Bolsheviks claimed to believe in national self determination.

Heh. Pass me the copium on that one

You just clearly aren't up to date on politics and the youth right now. 90% of young white men fucking hate foreigners, they literally did polls on this in europe with those results + you can just use Twitter or Instagram and see it all.

Sure in this circumstance some immigration may peter out but that would be accompanied by a decline in western hegemony itself.

Are you trying to claim immigrants are benefiting the nations they enter? If so you are wrong, especially if you exclude specifically Mexicans in America. Talking about Muslims in Europe, they are a pure negative.

 

[Caesercel]

. You are functioning under a presumption they do more help than harm which is wrong.

It's not a presumption it's a fact. Just because you are blinded to that fact out of sheer hatred does not mean it will go away. Economy and numbers don't care about your emotions. These are actual hands and feet that work in the system usually without getting back much in return and thus upholding the luxuries of everyone else to some extent. Sure some rich fuck benefits more than an average guy like you but whatever.

I guess this is part where you'll try to convince me how millions of working age people in America are actually sitting on their asses all day.

You are anti white

Hilarious how not wanting to uproot and potentially kill millions of people is labelled as "anti-white". Really tells you why the "being white is ok" meme was never to be trusted. Because hiding behind a fake veneer of defence is hate filled aggression. Also nice job missing the context of the statement.

This isn't about governments or laws

Uh, Yes it is? Government and laws do codify what a nation is really about. And no nation on the planet codifies itself as a white nation. White nations simply do not exist. Ethnic nationalism was a thing in the 19th century sure but this is 2026. On the contrary plenty of nations with no clear ethnic identities exist.

If we followed your ass backwards logic , that nation is ethnicity, then "Kurdish" would become a real nation but "Saudi Arabia" would cease to be one. I, on the other hand, would prefer to remain in the real world where the opposite is true.

You seem to have this specific belief about nationalism that ethnicity/race is the nation. I mean sure, nationalism in 19th century europe definetly had roots in such ideas. And if you believe in such then fine. But remember that the nation's that you call "white nations" do not believe in those ideas and do not identify themselves as ethnic nations. No matter how much you may try to impose that ethnic identity on them.

Smarter Germans know that claiming German nationality is actually about "ethnic German people" (whoever those are) is a patent absurdity in 21st century.

. The Russian empire for example contained different nations which had no governments to represent them, which is why Bolsheviks claimed to believe in national self determination.

Their thinking was obviously flavoured by 19th century ideas of nationalism. It is what it is I guess. Nowadays Putin rejects the very idea that his Russian nationalism is about ethnic Russians.

Are you trying to claim immigrants are benefiting the nations they enter?

No. My point is that the rise in nationalism in the West you speak of is paralleled by declining Western hegemony which could have a side effect of declining immigration among other things. A West that is secure in it's hold over the world would not turn to ethnic nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment.

 

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Hilarious how not wanting to uproot and potentially kill millions of people is labelled as "anti-white"

Yes because the alternative is the end of white sovereignty as we know it. Both America and European countries could become minority white/native possibly within our lifetime unless immigration is reversed. Whites and nonwhites have separate voting patterns, with the foreigners often voting in their own foreigners with their own interest to government, thereby letting in even more immigrants and disenfranchising white people. Repeat until a country is 90% nonwhite/foreign and lead by elected Muslims.

Government and laws do codify what a nation is really about.

No. That's a government, maybe you could say a "country", not a nation. A nation is a community of people, a folk. That's literally the origin of nationalism, that's what it means, that's what it's about.

Their thinking was obviously flavoured by 19th century ideas of nationalism. It is what it is I guess. Nowadays Putin rejects the very idea that his Russian nationalism is about ethnic Russians.

I don't give a shit what Putin said, I don't like him. Stalin said a nation was a community of people, that's not "flawed" it's just fucking true, otherwise there would've been no nations to liberate and give their own states as national self determination (like armenia for example).

declining Western hegemony

Maybe you mean the EU? Idk, because America is winning right now.

 

[Pikacel]

It's not an emotional response it's common sense. I know for a fact that niggers are violent and retarded, I've seen it myself and I keep seeing it every day, I know for a fact i would be a lot safer if there were none. You can make whatever soy reddit anti white argument you want but I don't give a shit because niggers are monkeys who kill and rob people for no reason, I see it over and over again, and no words on a screen can make me magically forget that.

This is just fucking gay and retarded. Ireland is white because its people are white, there literally doesn't exist a single Irish person on earth who isn't white. If there is, show me one. All you could bring are pictures of African immigrants living in ireland, because all Irish are white.

Youre so out of touch it is pathetic. Nationalism is at its height for the last 50 years, it's rapidly increasing especially in the younger generation. Remigration is coming for your nigger communist utopia and there's nothing you cuckold faggots can do about it

Racial stereotype tbh

Blacks are high inhib and docile on average.