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Daygame doesn’t work (6 years on and off experience)

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First off, why didn’t I “quit” earlier? Isn’t that bluepilled AF?
To me, Daygame is a form of civil disobedience. Society (women in particular) want unsuccessful males to keep their heads down, work hard, and refuse to talk to them. Talking to them breaks the status quo in a way, which is why I sometimes do it. I’m not eager to cold approach like the old days (age 20-21). However, If the opportunity arises (ie. there’s a shy, innocent European girl sitting by herself, I approach). Otherwise, I no longer spend hours walking around the mall looking for girls like I did at 20.

In the past 6 years I’ve gone sarging with 50 or so wings from various online pick up groups in my city. Of all 50 wings, none managed to pull a girl by cold approaching on the streets (with the exception of Halloween or some other festive alcohol fuelled event where it’s socially normal to approach). All my pua friends eventfully lucked out online, or from some kind of friendship circle.
Usually my wings eventually tell me “yeah, cold approach made me so much more confident around my friends, I met this cute chick in my class and I’m dating her now”. So in other words, PUA didn’t get him the girl, it was being NT and above average. As you know, we’re too ugly for tinder and too socially inept for social game which is why Daygame appeals to incels (in the beginning before being blackpilled). When I observe women in public during my errands, they make themselves unavailable or busy 99.9% of the time, infact when I go out, the very hot blondes never walk slow and never walk without ear buds. The hot ones always walk with haste. I only ever see old/obese/ugly girls walking slow. Even if I approach, they always act too busy to talk. The worst case scenario is when girls stand by themselves. She’s nearly always waiting for a significant other, something I learned the hard way. This summer in July, I narrowly avoided being punched at the beach by a tall Arab boxer looking guy. Thankfully my powerlifter Asian friend got in the guys way, diffusing the situation. Before nearly getting punched, I saw this blonde stunner standing alone and cold approached her close to the beach washrooms where all the concession stands are. If my friend wasn’t there I’d have no front teeth by now.

However, despite my negative experience I will always give my fellow incels a pat on the back for trying. I respect any man who is pro active about his dating life because it’s all you can do. I don’t like it when incels discourage other men by saying “don’t approach, it’s over”. That’s a very toxic thing to tell someone in my opinion. I always give my support when a guys trying to better himself.

I’m 26 years old now. I’ll most likely stop approaching for good at age 30. For now, I make the occasional move here and there but it’s not my main focus.

I’m currently working towards living in a truck, allowing me to escape the high cost of living in order to take sex trips to 3rd world countries. I need to save money for an RV to do that, but as soon as I buy a truck, I’m packing my stuff and focusing solely on saving money for sex travel.
 
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jfl can you give us an insight into the PUA meme world?
 
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rope2cope said:
jfl can you give us an insight into the PUA meme world?
It’s lamer than you’d expect. Nobody goes out . Most guys circle-jerk about being “high value” in the whatsapp chat rooms. There’s also endless chatter about “high value texts” on dating apps.

It can get toxic too. As soon as a wing gets one lay from tinder or social circle they act toxic bringing up the fact I don’t get laid to put me down.
 
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Damian Dark said:
It’s lamer than you’d expect. Nobody goes out . Most guys circle-jerk about being “high value” in the whatsapp chat rooms. There’s also endless chatter about “high value texts” on dating apps.

It can get toxic too. As soon as a wing gets one lay from tinder or social circle they act toxic bringing up the fact I don’t get laid to put me down.
so everyone is basically elliot rodger-tier?
 
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I'll buy that game might have worked for a brief period of time before online dating really took off. There's just no way post-tinder.
 
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Mods sticky this. This is the brutal truth of actually doing pickup. Just a big circlejerk over a bunch of terminology but at the end of the day 99% have no succes in daygame whatsoever
 
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Damian Dark said:
none managed to pull a girl by cold approaching on the streets (with the exception of Halloween or some other festive alcohol fuelled event where it’s socially normal to approach)
This is a valuable point about why PUA is fucked at its core. The fact that you're doing it is an automatic message to everyone that you're struggling.
 
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The thing with PUA is that they claim to have found a way to cheat the game, when in fact you simply increase your odds by playing more slots (only that as a sub 4 man you would have to approach a million or so girls until you find a blind one with a daddy complex).
 
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The entire community is pretty much a scam. "Game" won't help you if you're 1) too short, ugly, physically disabled or she thinks you're too old, and 2) you're not rich enough to "attract" some gold digger whose willing to "overlook" those flaws. And THESE are the guys it was originally marketed to! The only guys I've EVER seen get results from this were those who were above average in looks and just needed to put themselves out there. These PUA "gurus" are sleazy as hell. They've basically found the perfect hustle to support their coke habits. There's a reason so many of these teachers are always so "high-energy" :). And you can't sue them or send them to jail because PUA falls into so many legal gray areas. Believe me, these gurus know this!

There are no "cheat codes" to attraction like PUA claims. It really is just about looks. Wealth and status, without qualifying looks, will only "attract" a gold digger, an opportunist or a settler. Everybody likes to talk about "confidence" being a cheat code, but that's a myth. Confidence CORRELATES with attraction, and people get the causation backwards. Chad doesn't get girls because he's confident. He's confident because he gets girls! Confidence is a byproduct of success, not the cause of it. And if you're ugly/short/disabled, confidence works AGAINST you! You're best bet as an ugly guy is to be modest and "safe" because unearned confidence puts you in the creep zone. Cold approaching women is by far one of the most confident things a guy can do. If confidence worked like both the mainstream and the PUA community claim, PUAs should be swimming in pussy just from having the balls to approach like this, but they aren't.

If you wanna get girls, you gotta either max out your looks, or BUY the girl with wealth/status, and the latter option is NOT recommended because her "love" for you will not be genuine. For guys who are below average in looks, the only realistic options are the extreme ones - bodybuilding and steroid use, or extensive plastic surgery. Both mainstream dating advice AND the PUA/redpill community are full of shit when it comes to ugly and short guys.
 
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Why not just live with your parents to save money?

so you have no bills and you don’t have to live in a truck
 
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I thought its something like you described, being confident and having a game doesnt help, being NT helps guy who arent incels in the first place. Kudos for you for trying, without trying you cant see for yourself where you stand exactly.
Damian Dark said:
there’s a shy, innocent European girl sitting by herself
Im sorry bro i dont believe that exists
Damian Dark said:
It’s lamer than you’d expect. Nobody goes out . Most guys circle-jerk about being “high value” in the whatsapp chat rooms. There’s also endless chatter about “high value texts” on dating apps.

It can get toxic too. As soon as a wing gets one lay from tinder or social circle they act toxic bringing up the fact I don’t get laid to put me down.
Men being men, once they mog you they turn into shitheads
rope2cope said:
so everyone is basically elliot rodger-tier?
:feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:
 
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kudos to you for trying bro

fact of the matter is that even if you play the numbers game, nowadays most women are just not available anyways, they're either with some chad or normie they're fucking already or they're just not interested in men, it sucks.
 
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Tenshi said:
kudos to you for trying bro

fact of the matter is that even if you play the numbers game, nowadays most women are just not available anyways, they're either with some chad or normie they're fucking already or they're just not interested in men, it sucks.
yup. That’s why I’m drivers license maxxing so that I can get a driving job (don’t have to socialize with others), and do Uber eats on the side. I did UE during summer by bike and it sucks.
This way I can make enough money to afford escorts and sex trips
 
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Damian Dark said:
Daygame is a form of civil disobedience. Society (women in particular) want unsuccessful males to keep their heads down, work hard, and refuse to talk to them. Talking to them breaks the status quo in a way, which is why I sometimes do it. I’m not eager to cold approach like the old days (age 20-21). However, If the opportunity arises (ie. there’s a shy, innocent European girl sitting by herself, I approach). Otherwise, I no longer spend hours walking around the mall looking for girls like I did at 20.
seems reasonable
aside from upsetting the quo you also overcome your anxiety i guess
unless of course you get negative outcomes like some guy butting in to white-knight to stop you "bothering" the innocent European girl
has that ever happened to you OP ?
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PUA does not work
I think it does, just not reliably, and to a much smaller scale (1% improvement not 10% improvement) than they advertise
 
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Wizard32 said:
seems reasonable
aside from upsetting the quo you also overcome your anxiety i guess
unless of course you get negative outcomes like some guy butting in to white-knight to stop you "bothering" the innocent European girl
has that ever happened to you OP ?

I think it does, just not reliably, and to a much smaller scale (1% improvement not 10% improvement) than they advertise
Normally, the most I get is looks of disapproval from men after a girl walks away. A week ago, a girl flat out ignored my approach and a Filipino guy frowned and shook his head sideways.

The only time I get very negative outcomes is when I’m drunk and acting like an idiot while approaching. But this is also extremely rare. Once a guy confronted my by saying “stop bothering girls”. I showed him the middle finger and walked to another club

Nothing bad can happen to you from cold approaching, it just has a very low success rate.
 
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They are all scum and don't belong freely in our society
 
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Damian Dark said:
yup. That’s why I’m drivers license maxxing so that I can get a driving job (don’t have to socialize with others), and do Uber eats on the side. I did UE during summer by bike and it sucks.
This way I can make enough money to afford escorts and sex trips
got mine yesterday bro, go for it

Damian Dark said:
Normally, the most I get is looks of disapproval from men after a girl walks away. A week ago, a girl flat out ignored my approach and a Filipino guy frowned and shook his head sideways.

The only time I get very negative outcomes is when I’m drunk and acting like an idiot while approaching. But this is also extremely rare. Once a guy confronted my by saying “stop bothering girls”. I showed him the middle finger and walked to another club

Nothing bad can happen to you from cold approaching, it just has a very low success rate.
jfl at these simps for looking down on you, I bet he walks past girls all day and wish he had the balls to do so but is too much of a pussy to bother the kweens, based response :smonk:

But I agree with you, very unlike to anything bad happen to you when cold approaching, worst I got was girls ignoring me or being passive agressive, even those are rare, most women will just say they have a bf (which will probably be true given the situation I mentioned earlier)
 
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There's no daygame for your face.
 
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same experience. fell for the meme back in 2012. it's only been getting worse since then
 
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I'll try to get rid of my anxiety. Hopefully I look good after my looksmaxxing next year.
 
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How can you make daygame being incel and without being drunk ???????????? For me it is as if you could lift 1000 tons or something like that, something supernatural. I mean, what about the rejection trauma? with negative reinforcement? with insecurity, apathy, emotional weakness, inhibition? have you managed to kiss a girl? what do you say to them? tell me more please
 
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BCNincel said:
How can you make daygame being incel and without being drunk ???????????? For me it is as if you could lift 1000 tons or something like that, something supernatural. I mean, what about the rejection trauma? with negative reinforcement? with insecurity, apathy, emotional weakness, inhibition? have you managed to kiss a girl? what do you say to them? tell me more please
“How can you make Daygame being incel and without being drunk”

-I used to mix Gatorade and a bit of vodka when going out solo, in the summer (I’m not going out recently as the weather here is rainy and dogshit so I’m mainly staying indoors)

“I mean, what about the rejection trauma?”

-It’s a matter of picking my poison. Lonliness also creates trauma, and watching people party while I stay inside on the weekend. Rejection hurts too but the pain of one decision (to be rejected) does not supersede the other (stay in my basement and watch my time slip by). The fact I’m not missing out on my youth by trying keeps me going.

“have you managed to kiss a girl?”

-Once but there’s a preface so mods don’t ban me. Preface: [it was this Halloween (2021) and my face was covered by a Halloween mask when I met her so it wasn’t my facial looks that created the attraction. I also wore a muscle shirt as part of my costume which hid my asymmetric frame due to osteo-arthritis related to an old injury]. This factored in with the fact she was drunk all helped me “achieve” that kiss. Halloween is the one event of the year I think we all need to capitalize. Even guys who are strictly against cold approach need to atleast consider October 31st as a day to do it.

“What do you say to them”?

-A mix of different coaches and tips I learned from winging. I use John Anthony Lifestyles opener a lot and it goes “hey can I meet you real quick?”. I try to use openers from guys who get laid the most however it doesn’t matter what I say, they always make excuses to leave the interaction.

“what do you do with the insecurity, apathy, negative reinforcement, emotional weakness”

Alcohol and Shrooms, mostly Shrooms. Shrooms are natures super-anti depressant. But my plug is MIA so lately the depression is coming back
 
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Damian Dark said:
“How can you make Daygame being incel and without being drunk”

-I used to mix Gatorade and a bit of vodka when going out solo, in the summer (I’m not going out recently as the weather here is rainy and dogshit so I’m mainly staying indoors)

“I mean, what about the rejection trauma?”

-It’s a matter of picking my poison. Lonliness also creates trauma, and watching people party while I stay inside on the weekend. Rejection hurts too but the pain of one decision (to be rejected) does not supersede the other (stay in my basement and watch my time slip by). The fact I’m not missing out on my youth by trying keeps me going.

“have you managed to kiss a girl?”

-Once but there’s a preface so mods don’t ban me. Preface: [it was this Halloween (2021) and my face was covered by a Halloween mask when I met her so it wasn’t my facial looks that created the attraction. I also wore a muscle shirt as part of my costume which hid my asymmetric frame due to osteo-arthritis related to an old injury]. This factored in with the fact she was drunk all helped me “achieve” that kiss. Halloween is the one event of the year I think we all need to capitalize. Even guys who are strictly against cold approach need to atleast consider October 31st as a day to do it.

“What do you say to them”?

-A mix of different coaches and tips I learned from winging. I use John Anthony Lifestyles opener a lot and it goes “hey can I meet you real quick?”. I try to use openers from guys who get laid the most however it doesn’t matter what I say, they always make excuses to leave the interaction.

“what do you do with the insecurity, apathy, negative reinforcement, emotional weakness”

Alcohol and Shrooms, mostly Shrooms. Shrooms are natures super-anti depressant. But my plug is MIA so lately the depression is coming back

Thank you so much

What are the effects of shrooms? don't you feel very high? Can you interact without looking too high? I also congratulate you because most of us here are panicky about girls, and just thinking about getting closer makes me sick. You are a fighter and you are a hero because you have the balls to, despite everything, do it equally.
 

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