Serious Christianity and it's application to our current world?

[DeliriousMerchant]

How many of you guys are Christians? Do you think it's an applicable lifestyle? I want to yap for a good minute, just bear with me.

I come from an Islamist background, so concepts like: religious-tribalism, monotheism, religious states - I recognise and can draw some experience from. Not so sure how Christianity can tie into...say, race-awareness and related if it promotes multiculturism, or warfare if it promotes pacifism? I'm Zoomali {East African} for reference. More ostracised beliefs are becoming mainstream and actively spoken even if you think the rhetoric's only exist within the borders of social media when it's manifesting in reality everyday before our gaze. If Christianity has been diluted, then the emergence of creators like Nick Fuentes is evidence for the previous statement. I often see self-proclaimed Christians say the Crusades aren't representation for Christianity, so my perception of what tolerance and intolerance in this religion is nought.

• Christianity and Governance?​
• Christianity and the Economy?​
• Christianity and International Relationships + Foreign Policy?​
• Christianity and Slavery + Age of Consent?​
• Christianity and Capital Punishments?​

I'm currently reading "The experience of God" by David Bentley, and I watch Brother Nathanael here and there. In the early stages of the Bible, but creationism is throwing me off. I guess if one can prove the Bible's authenticity from the beginning, then I'd have to concede to everything the Bible claims and discard modern science, etc.
Have an introduction-level understanding on Protestantism, but Catholicism and Orthodoxy are options too if I go through with this. Fuck off if you're just going to curse Christ

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Looking for serious replies.

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[DarkStarDown]

@VitaminS thoughts?

 

[aesthetic_recon]

creationism is throwing me off.

Creationism is the result of a faulty hermeneutic of people who don't know how to do biblical exegesis, so when they apply their hermeneutic to other difficult passages of scripture they usually faulter or come to some horrific moral conclusion, like God ordering the extermination of babies whose only crime was being a race of people that opposed the Israelites. Read 1 Corinthians 10:11. Paul mentions that the biblical stories in the OT are meant for our spiritual edification, not an accurate historical record of what happened. The "meaning" of Genesis is God coming and dwelling on the earth with free rational creatures we call humans; it isn't some accurate historical record of what happened at the beginning of the world. The OT is a compendium of different types of writings: literature, historical record, spiritual stories, many of which may or may not have happened, but that's irrelevant because there's always a profitable spiritual message underlying the story.

• Christianity and Governance?​

I support the institution of a Christian state, replete with the death penalty for homosexuals, zoophiles, and adulterers.

• Christianity and the Economy?​

Jesus was a marked socialist. He pronounced woes on the rich and comfortable in this life, and when conversing with his disciples, one of his disciples asked if any of them (rich people) could enter the Kingdom of God/Heaven. The early Christians in the Book of Acts sold their property and lived communally. (((Karl Marx))) stole from each according to his ability (in Acts 4), to each according to his needs (in Matthew; the parable of the wicked servant) from the Bible. Capitalism is radically incompatible with a Christian worldview.

• Christianity and International Relationships + Foreign Policy?​

I really have nothing to say about this one.

• Christianity and Slavery + Age of Consent?​

I don't ever see us going back to slavery, unless the (((international cabal of elite financiers))) makes move to enslave us all (which we're in the incipient stages of; COVID vaxx was the first wave of population control).
With regards to the age of consent, it probably should be 16. That seems like a good number. I don't have any biblical justification, but it seems right.

• Christianity and Capital Punishments?​

See my post under "Christianity and Governance?"
Capital punishment should absolutely be legislated under a majority Christian/totally Christian nation. Catholics are cucked on this issue.

 

[Mecoja]

As much as i understood the bible, Christians should obey the local laws and government in things that doesnt cause us to sin. Beside when God spoke to israelites God didnt command waging wars against other nations not even for the benefit of spreading Christianity. We should take into account that slavery back into the Old testament was just the way people lived, so God gave laws how to treat your slaves. In modern times when slavery is mostly prohibited, theres no need for Christians to condone it. Especially since old laws in the old testament were to ensure for Jesus to be born when he was from the certain genetic line and for judaism to survive from diluting with others pagan religions. With Jesus resurrection we became free from the Old Testament laws and we are into new covenant with Jesus Christ. Sorry if i completely missed the subject.

 

[DeliriousMerchant]

Creationism is the result of a faulty hermeneutic of people who don't know how to do biblical exegesis

Who can I trust for biblical exegesis?

The OT is a compendium of different types of writings: literature, historical record, spiritual stories, many of which may or may not have happened, but that's irrelevant because there's always a profitable spiritual message underlying the story.

Why would it be irrelevant? If it finds itself in the OT, it shouldn't be a fable with a message at the end. It should've happened...nah?

institution of a Christian state

Any modern examples? Serbia? Or just hypothetical Talibanized-state but Christian?

Jesus was a marked socialist. He pronounced woes on the rich and comfortable in this life, and when conversing with his disciples, one of his disciples asked if any of them (rich people) could enter the Kingdom of God/Heaven. The early Christians in the Book of Acts sold their property and lived communally. (((Karl Marx))) stole from each according to his ability (in Acts 4), to each according to his needs (in Matthew; the parable of the wicked servant) from the Bible. Capitalism is radically incompatible with a Christian worldview.

It's always them. It stopped being amusing a long time ago. Interesting though! I'll have to look into this briefly!

I don't ever see us going back to slavery, unless the (((international cabal of elite financiers))) makes move to enslave us all (which we're in the incipient stages of; COVID vaxx was the first wave of population control).

Depends? IS had the spotlight for a while with their slavery markets. Not an optimal plan though, and would it be moral? I cringe at the thought of buying a woman from a market.

I support the institution of a Christian state, replete with the death penalty for homosexuals, zoophiles, and adulterers.

Based + God Bless you, you've done too much for just a nigga on incels.is

 

[aesthetic_recon]

Who can I trust for biblical exegesis?

A lot of Orthodox scholars, DBH, Kallistos Ware, etc.

Why would it be irrelevant? If it finds itself in the OT, it shouldn't be a fable with a message at the end. It should've happened...nah?

No. Paul explicitly says in 1 Corinthians 10:11 they were given for our spiritual instruction. Not all types of writing have to be accurate historical record.

Any modern examples? Serbia? Or just hypothetical Talibanized-state but Christian?

Hypothetical Christian Sharia nation-state.

Based + God Bless you, you've done too much for just a nigga on incels.is

 

[DeliriousMerchant]

As much as i understood the bible, Christians should obey the local laws and government in things that doesnt cause us to sin. Beside when God spoke to israelites God didnt command waging wars against other nations not even for the benefit of spreading Christianity. We should take into account that slavery back into the Old testament was just the way people lived, so God gave laws how to treat your slaves. In modern times when slavery is mostly prohibited, theres no need for Christians to condone it. Especially since old laws in the old testament were to ensure for Jesus to be born when he was from the certain genetic line and for judaism to survive from diluting with others pagan religions. With Jesus resurrection we became free from the Old Testament laws and we are into new covenant with Jesus Christ. Sorry if i completely missed the subject.

Okay, this makes sense, and it's interesting. I'm a little surprised that God needed to create a collection of laws for an ethnic-religious group to cultivate over time in order for his son to arrive? He could've just spawned Jesus in. And was it specifically after Jesus's resurrection that people were freed from the laws of the OT? So people would've been following the laws of the OT prior to the resurrection?

 

[Lonelyus]

How many of you guys are Christians? Do you think it's an applicable lifestyle? I want to yap for a good minute, just bear with me.

I come from an Islamist background, so concepts like: religious-tribalism, monotheism, religious states - I recognise and can draw some experience from. Not so sure how Christianity can tie into...say, race-awareness and related if it promotes multiculturism, or warfare if it promotes pacifism? I'm Zoomali {East African} for reference. More ostracised beliefs are becoming mainstream and actively spoken even if you think the rhetoric's only exist within the borders of social media when it's manifesting in reality everyday before our gaze. If Christianity has been diluted, then the emergence of creators like Nick Fuentes is evidence for the previous statement. I often see self-proclaimed Christians say the Crusades aren't representation for Christianity, so my perception of what tolerance and intolerance in this religion is nought.

• Christianity and Governance?​
• Christianity and the Economy?​
• Christianity and International Relationships + Foreign Policy?​
• Christianity and Slavery + Age of Consent?​
• Christianity and Capital Punishments?​

I'm currently reading "The experience of God" by David Bentley, and I watch Brother Nathanael here and there. In the early stages of the Bible, but creationism is throwing me off. I guess if one can prove the Bible's authenticity from the beginning, then I'd have to concede to everything the Bible claims and discard modern science, etc.
Have an introduction-level understanding on Protestantism, but Catholicism and Orthodoxy are options too if I go through with this. Fuck off if you're just going to curse Christ

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Looking for serious replies.

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I am none of these, I am my own king, Fuck everyone else that doesnt like me fuck religion fuck cut off foreskin, I love my foreskin, FUCK THE JEWS, HEIL HITLER AND GOODNIGHT!

 

[Mecoja]

I'm a little surprised that God needed to create a collection of laws for an ethnic-religious group to cultivate over time in order for his son to arrive? He could've just spawned Jesus in.

God chose Abraham and made covenant with him because he was the only one still worshipping Him, in Abraham's time all people forgot about God and started worshipping demon deities. Abraham's descendants became the people of Israel. God chose to reincarnate in Abrahams, Davids, Isacs, Jacobs bloodline because they loved God and stayed true to Him.

God could do anything but thats not the point, point is why did God had to be born as a human and live a human life.

Every God's living creation has the free will and God wants us to obey Him to live for the purpose He created us for, to be his this worldly family. But He wants us to choose it in our own free will.

So we come back to why did Jesus got born, lived as human and died on the cross. It would be hypocritical to demand from us to live a just life abstaining from sin in our corrupted bodies so He came and gave us the perfect example how to live our lives. Jesus body was completely human and he was tempted by same things we are and he suffered from the same problems. He still lived a just sinless life and despite His fears of suffering, humiliation, becoming full of sin and abandoned by God the Father, He died for us.

Because God cannot stand the sin and we as a specie got corrupted ingrained with sin, someone had to wash our sins away, so He came into this world as any human, lived life to God's will and received on Himself sin of every single person who accepts Him as a saviour. We could never achieve the righteousness needed to be worthy of God, like Adam was, because he was created perfect. But Adams free will quickly made him choose sin and with every passing generation we became more sinful. Just see what is now considered normal. So someone who created us had to "fix" us but we have to choose so, because majority of people are perfectly happy with living sinful life that demons offer.

By bible life is a trial of faith. It would be easy for people to believe if Jesus spawned in the sky revealing himself as a God, people would believe out of fear and probably forgot about it after some years. Most people only care for enjoyment in present moment.

And was it specifically after Jesus's resurrection that people were freed from the laws of the OT? So people would've been following the laws of the OT prior to the resurrection?

Yes, jews still do as they dont believe in the Jesus the messiah.

 

[DeliriousMerchant]

By bible life is a trial of faith. It would be easy for people to believe if Jesus spawned in the sky revealing himself as a God, people would believe out of fear and probably forgot about it after some years. Most people only care for enjoyment in present moment.

True + Thank you. Please pray for me, I'll keep investigating.

Yes, jews still do as they dont believe in the Jesus the messiah.

שפיכת דם דורית לכל דבר (((Generational blood spillage for everything)))

 

[Mecoja]

True + Thank you. Please pray for me, I'll keep investigating.

Theres so much things that are not easily understood in the Bible. I got baptized few years back and since then i have a wish and need to know everything about it. Best way is to read the bible yourself then watching pastors and theologians explain it. Just be careful not to get deceived by false vain pastors. Always follow the scripture, if someone tries to add to it or to cherrypick or twist the verses, he is a scammer. God bless you.

 

[probiotic]

A lot of Orthodox scholars, DBH, Kallistos Ware, etc.


No. Paul explicitly says in 1 Corinthians 10:11 they were given for our spiritual instruction. Not all types of writing have to be accurate historical record.


Hypothetical Christian Sharia nation-state.

Nowhere does paul say the events of the OT did not historically occur. On the contrary, in that verse you're quoting he says they did happen and should be used for admonishment and edification.

 

[aesthetic_recon]

Nowhere does paul say the events of the OT did not historically occur. On the contrary, in that verse you're quoting he says they did happen and should be used for admonishment and edification.

Commentary on 1 Corinthians 10:11 from DBH's translation of the New Testament.

Get Refuted Son.

 

[probiotic]

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Commentary on 1 Corinthians 10:11 from DBH's translation of the New Testament.

Get Refuted Son.

Except thats not what paul says. Thats just some modern cucks interpretation of him. The church fathers believed in the veracity of the OT. Allegorisation doesn't preclude the stories from being true.

 

[aesthetic_recon]

Except thats not what paul says. Thats just some modern cucks interpretation of him. The church fathers believed in the veracity of the OT. Allegorisation doesn't preclude the stories from being true.

St Gregory of Nyssa, Homily on the Song of Songs:

One ought not in every instance to remain with the letter (since the obvious sense of the words often does us harm when it comes to the virtuous life), but one ought to shift to an understanding that concerns the immaterial and intelligible, so that corporeal ideas may be transposed into intellect and thought when the fleshly sense of the words has been shaken off like dust.

Get Refuted Part 2. Ready for Part 3?

 

[probiotic]

St Gregory of Nyssa, Homily on the Song of Songs:


Get Refuted Part 2. Ready for Part 3?

Gregory of Nyssa believed the events of the OT happened lol

The song of solomon isnt a historical record. Its a love poem. Of course its metaphorical in nature.

Come on. This is getting silly.

 

[ControlledInsanity]

Vestigial limb

Societal control is now done through much shinier things like ubiquitous social media.

 

[VitaminS]

@VitaminS thoughts?

Thank you for tagging me, I have been inactive for quite a while.

Hi @DeliriousMerchant , I do not think I have spoken to you before. I am going to keep this brief and try to answer or touch on all of your questions in a short response, any further inquiries feel free to DM me or contact me on discord.

Denomination:

Protestantism is not worthwhile and I suggest staying as far away from it as possible. Protestantism, and its millions of various forums and man-made iterations, are all deeply heretical. I grew up a Methodist, lived next to a Baptist Church my entire childhood, and attended an episcopalian grade-school. My brother and I converted to Roman Catholicism (western rite) later in life with my mother who felt touched by the presence of Mary after praying the Rosary. I can talk about and disprove the very little protestant theology there is for hours. Protestantism, and all of its forms, is in my opinion one of the greatest and most divisive evils to face the faith.
The only question left is Orthodoxy or Catholicism. Orthodox Christians make the claim that they are the original church which is not true. By studying Church history, this becomes evident. They are also schismatics, but do not differ all that much in theology like protestants. Like Protestantism, since they are schismatics, various iterations and churches exist that are not in communion with one another. Each one having its own theological differences. This differs from Roman Catholicism which is one united Church. Orthodox Christians have minor differences in theology then Catholics, the most notable being the rejection of the filioque. Orthodox still receive all the sacraments, have sound theology, and are saved. Catholics can receive sacraments from Orthodox priests and vice versa since they still follow apostolic succession and are thus in a way united with Catholics. For the longest time I considered converting to Orthodoxy due to its rigid (almost legalistic) adherence to tradition, that primarily being the byzantine rite. While appealing at first glance, I found theological errors within their Church and decided not to convert.
Catholicism is the one true Church ever since its establishment at Pentecost. The first Pope was Peter who was granted the Keys to the Kingdom of heaven by God, and the apostles the first bishops.

Islam-

I am glad you have turned away from Muhammadism. There are so many fallacies, lies, and errors within it. It is an innately heretical creed based on legalism, violence, and Arianism. The Quran is contradictory and perverted source. I love debating Muslims because of how easy to disprove it is.

Me: Who will come back to judge the living and the dead?

Muslim: ...Isa (Jesus).

Me: It is written that only One can judge.

Muslim: Yes, only Allah can judge.

Me: Correct.

Muslim: *silence*

I think Muhhamad was either lying, or was under the influence of Satan when he saw the (fallen) angel. The Quran even says he was suicidal and believed to have been demon possessed.

also...
(side note- the Crusades were justified. Christians who say the Crusades don't represent Christianity are correct... but... the Crusades are justified.)

Your questions have alot to do with government. I personally am not very educated when it comes to politics or economics, but I personally am I monarchist, theocrat, and corporatist in the traditional sense. Christianity is applicable to governance in every facet and seeks to forge a peaceful, just, and equitable society. The Church has always been anti-socialist, anti-capitalist, and anti-communist, taking a position of being pro-personal freedoms while also being pro-equality and human rights.

 

[RandomGuy]

In the early stages of the Bible

The location of Eden.


View: https://youtu.be/-BO4UAMlbmM?si=gokU6UhMKDf9FOe5

 

[DarkStarDown]

Thank you for tagging me, I have been inactive for quite a while.

And thanks for making a response that actually is high-effort, we need more discussion like this here instead of the usual spamming of shit-toks.

Denomination:

Protestantism is not worthwhile and I suggest staying as far away from it as possible. Protestantism, and its millions of various forums and man-made iterations, are all deeply heretical. I grew up a Methodist, lived next to a Baptist Church my entire childhood, and attended an episcopalian grade-school. My brother and I converted to Roman Catholicism (western rite) later in life with my mother who felt touched by the presence of Mary after praying the Rosary. I can talk about and disprove the very little protestant theology there is for hours. Protestantism, and all of its forms, is in my opinion one of the greatest and most divisive evils to face the faith.

I've always seen Protestantism in a mixed light: For awhile, I thought that it was some based act of rebellion by people against a more larger, centralized authority, and also since it apparently had ties with Libertarianism & no doubt influenced it in some ways. Yes, I was once Libertarian.

The only question left is Orthodoxy or Catholicism. Orthodox Christians make the claim that they are the original church which is not true. By studying Church history, this becomes evident. They are also schismatics, but do not differ all that much in theology like protestants. Like Protestantism, since they are schismatics, various iterations and churches exist that are not in communion with one another. Each one having its own theological differences. This differs from Roman Catholicism which is one united Church. Orthodox Christians have minor differences in theology then Catholics, the most notable being the rejection of the filioque. Orthodox still receive all the sacraments, have sound theology, and are saved. Catholics can receive sacraments from Orthodox priests and vice versa since they still follow apostolic succession and are thus in a way united with Catholics. For the longest time I considered converting to Orthodoxy due to its rigid (almost legalistic) adherence to tradition, that primarily being the byzantine rite. While appealing at first glance, I found theological errors within their Church and decided not to convert.
Catholicism is the one true Church ever since its establishment at Pentecost. The first Pope was Peter who was granted the Keys to the Kingdom of heaven by God, and the apostles the first bishops.

I think I was once told the main difference between Orthodoxy & Catholicism was just a few differences in text, you elaborated more upon it, and it seems the big difference is that they are less united(IE: Oriental Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc). As well as the addition of the Filioque, which is probably the text that was being referred to.

Personally, If I had to pick between all the various branches, I would pick Catholicism or Orthodoxy. They have always seemed more sound than Protestantism, which seems to be more embracing of globohomo modernity.

Not to mention their architecture & aesthetics mog hard: Protestant Churches always look dull especially the ones in the US, absolutely no uniqueness whatsoever.

Islam-

I am glad you have turned away from Muhammadism. There are so many fallacies, lies, and errors within it. It is an innately heretical creed based on legalism, violence, and Arianism. The Quran is contradictory and perverted source. I love debating Muslims because of how easy to disprove it is.

Me: Who will come back to judge the living and the dead?

Muslim: ...Isa (Jesus).

Me: It is written that only One can judge.

Muslim: Yes, only Allah can judge.

Me: Correct.

Muslim: *silence*

I think Muhhamad was either lying, or was under the influence of Satan when he saw the (fallen) angel. The Quran even says he was suicidal and believed to have been demon possessed.

Anyone with any common sense can tell Islam is a complete bullshit religion.

also...
(side note- the Crusades were justified. Christians who say the Crusades don't represent Christianity are correct... but... the Crusades are justified.)

From any objective, unbiased standpoint, the Crusades were justified & make logical sense.

They do serve as a representation of Christianity somewhat, however.

Your questions have alot to do with government. I personally am not very educated when it comes to politics or economics, but I personally am I monarchist, theocrat, and corporatist in the traditional sense. Christianity is applicable to governance in every facet and seeks to forge a peaceful, just, and equitable society. The Church has always been anti-socialist, anti-capitalist, and anti-communist, taking a position of being pro-personal freedoms while also being pro-equality and human rights.

I am much more educated when it comes to politics, history, and government as opposed to religion. It seems that we agree economically being Corporatist, but I disagree on the Monarchy & Theocracy part.

 

[RandomGuy]

 

[VitaminS]

And thanks for making a response that actually is high-effort, we need more discussion like this here instead of the usual spamming of shit-toks.

I've always seen Protestantism in a mixed light: For awhile, I thought that it was some based act of rebellion by people against a more larger, centralized authority, and also since it apparently had ties with Libertarianism & no doubt influenced it in some ways. Yes, I was once Libertarian.

I think I was once told the main difference between Orthodoxy & Catholicism was just a few differences in text, you elaborated more upon it, and it seems the big difference is that they are less united(IE: Oriental Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc). As well as the addition of the Filioque, which is probably the text that was being referred to.

Personally, If I had to pick between all the various branches, I would pick Catholicism or Orthodoxy. They have always seemed more sound than Protestantism, which seems to be more embracing of globohomo modernity.

Not to mention their architecture & aesthetics mog hard: Protestant Churches always look dull especially the ones in the US, absolutely no uniqueness whatsoever.



Anyone with any common sense can tell Islam is a complete bullshit religion.



From any objective, unbiased standpoint, the Crusades were justified & make logical sense.

They do serve as a representation of Christianity somewhat, however.

I am much more educated when it comes to politics, history, and government as opposed to religion. It seems that we agree economically being Corporatist, but I disagree on the Monarchy & Theocracy part.

Monarchy is based and liberalism is retarded. The notion that "just do whatever you want!" is the number one reason the west has fallen. Can you imagine the highest ideal in society is individual will? That's liberalism. That's retarded.
Watch this video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnj5gSE3Gkg

The world was built on monarchy. Monarchy is the most productive system. The French 'revolution' was the WORST thing to happen to Europe.

 

[coping_manlet]

You’re a monkey nigger. Your primary religion is banana. Go pick cotton for banana chimp