So I came across this video by Chad the other day
And this is my problem with works based salvation. They don't understand that once you're saved. You're always saved.
But furthermore than that, even the scriptures that they use they're not knowledgeable on what it means So people like this teaching, Are really leading people astray.
I do want to make a disclaimer. First of all, I by no means am I saying I'm a know it all or do I know everything but I try my best to understand and if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me and I'm very happy to listen.
First verse he use's is:
Next verse used by him,
he covers in his video that these two verses are speaking to believers and not disbelievers. My guess is he either goes to a traditional church or he himself is a Protestant, but he believes in Arminianism. I think this is my problem with work-based salvation.
Inb4 โhaving faith is a work.โ
- @SnakeCel @CADcel
Thatโs probably a discussion for another day,
but to answer it quickly, when scripture says โfaith without works is deadโ in James 2:17, I interpret that as genuine faith naturally producing works. Not that works save you, but that true faith changes how you live.
For example, why would I pray for the sick? Because I have faith that God is able to heal.
In Matthew 8:5โ13, when the Roman centurion came to Jesus Christ and said that Christ only needed to speak the word for his servant to be healed, Jesus responded by saying, โI have not found such great faith even in Israel.โ The emphasis there was on faith.
The same applies to the woman with the issue of blood in passages like Mark 5:25โ34. She believed that if she even touched Christโs garment, she would be healed, and Jesus tells her, โYour faith has made you well.โ
So from my perspective, faith is central. Without faith, we cannot please God, as Hebrews 11:6 says.
And when I read Matthew 7:22โ23, where people say, โDid we not prophesy in Your name and cast out demons in Your name?โ I donโt interpret that as Christ condemning good works themselves. I interpret it as people relying on outward actions while lacking a real relationship and faith in Him. Christ says, โI never knew you.โ
I also donโt believe I personally have the power to convert or heal anyone by my own strength. In Christianity, conversion is understood as the work of the Holy Spirit. A believer can evangelise, pray, and plant seeds, but God is the one who changes hearts.
Likewise, if healing happens, Christians would say it happens through Godโs power, not human power.
Thatโs why I personally lean toward salvation by grace through faith, as written in Ephesians 2:8โ9, while also believing that genuine faith will naturally produce works and obedience over time.
The next verse used..
Inb4 โhaving faith is a work.โ
- @SnakeCel @CADcel
Thatโs probably a discussion for another day,
but to answer it quickly, when scripture says โfaith without works is deadโ in James 2:17, I interpret that as genuine faith naturally producing works. Not that works save you, but that true faith changes how you live.
For example, why would I pray for the sick? Because I have faith that God is able to heal.
In Matthew 8:5โ13, when the Roman centurion came to Jesus Christ and said that Christ only needed to speak the word for his servant to be healed, Jesus responded by saying, โI have not found such great faith even in Israel.โ The emphasis there was on faith.
The same applies to the woman with the issue of blood in passages like Mark 5:25โ34. She believed that if she even touched Christโs garment, she would be healed, and Jesus tells her, โYour faith has made you well.โ
So from my perspective, faith is central. Without faith, we cannot please God, as Hebrews 11:6 says.
And when I read Matthew 7:22โ23, where people say, โDid we not prophesy in Your name and cast out demons in Your name?โ I donโt interpret that as Christ condemning good works themselves. I interpret it as people relying on outward actions while lacking a real relationship and faith in Him. Christ says, โI never knew you.โ
I also donโt believe I personally have the power to convert or heal anyone by my own strength. In Christianity, conversion is understood as the work of the Holy Spirit. A believer can evangelise, pray, and plant seeds, but God is the one who changes hearts.
Likewise, if healing happens, Christians would say it happens through Godโs power, not human power.
Thatโs why I personally lean toward salvation by grace through faith, as written in Ephesians 2:8โ9, while also believing that genuine faith will naturally produce works and obedience over time.
The next verse
used..
Yeah, the Bible is a funny because this honestly just reinforces my point about faith. They knew who Paul was, they knew who Jesus Christ was, but they lacked genuine faith, and thatโs the issue.
And bear in mind, Christ Himself said:
Again, people could try to classify that as a work, but I personally donโt see it that way, You donโt pray or fast just out of empty obligation. You do it out of discipline and because you love Christ. It all goes back to faith in the end.
His final verse are
I donโt want to bore you guys, but this reinforces my point.
in this community we can agree that โbrotherhoodโ is a giga meme. Just because you sit at the same table as people you call friends doesnโt necessarily mean there is real loyalty or depth there.
At the Last Supper (Luke 22:19โ23, John 13:21โ30), Jesus Christ shared a meal with His disciples, yet Judas still betrayed Him for thirty pieces of silver, as referenced in Matthew 26:14โ16. So betrayal is something that exists even among close relationships.
That being said, Jesus still demonstrated genuine love even toward His disciples, including Judas, and ultimately gave Himself for humanity for our sins.
So my point is that Christ calls for real faith, not just outward association or actions, and thatโs what determines the difference in the end.
in this community we can agree that โbrotherhoodโ is a giga meme. Just because you sit at the same table as people you call friends doesnโt necessarily mean there is real loyalty or depth there.
At the Last Supper (Luke 22:19โ23, John 13:21โ30), Jesus Christ shared a meal with His disciples, yet Judas still betrayed Him for thirty pieces of silver, as referenced in Matthew 26:14โ16. So betrayal is something that exists even among close relationships.
That being said, Jesus still demonstrated genuine love even toward His disciples, including Judas, and ultimately gave Himself for humanity for our sins.
So my point is that Christ calls for real faith, not just outward association or actions, and thatโs what determines the difference in the end.
Faith in Christ is the foundation of salvation, and true faith naturally produces works rather than being replaced by them. Biblical examples like the centurion, the woman with the issue of blood, and teachings like Hebrews 11:6 and Ephesians 2:8โ9 all emphasise faith as central.
Verses like Matthew 7:21โ23 show that outward actions alone arenโt enough without a real relationship with Christ.
Healing, evangelism, and spiritual authority are ultimately attributed to God and the Holy Spirit, not human ability.
Even disciplines like prayer and fasting flow from faith and devotion rather than obligation.
Overall, salvation is by grace through faith, and genuine faith is what produces real transformation, not just external association or works.
Verses like Matthew 7:21โ23 show that outward actions alone arenโt enough without a real relationship with Christ.
Healing, evangelism, and spiritual authority are ultimately attributed to God and the Holy Spirit, not human ability.
Even disciplines like prayer and fasting flow from faith and devotion rather than obligation.
Overall, salvation is by grace through faith, and genuine faith is what produces real transformation, not just external association or works.
Last edited:
