Experiment Can you solve this Incel contradiction? - hating women but craving female validation

[Esoteric7]

This is not new. It's been covered in the forum before, but I'm just curious what today's incels think of it.

Incels are in a cognitive dissonance trap:

Incel: “Women are shallow, illogical, stupid, manipulative, and untrustworthy.”
Also incel: “But I also want to be loved, desired, and validated by women.”

Those two beliefs cannot sit comfortably together, because if women are worthless and stupid, then their approval should mean nothing. But if their approval actually matters, then they can’t be worthless.

It's like trusting a broken mirror to give a correct reflection. You view women as “broken mirrors” when rejected, but still run back to the same mirror because you desperately wish you were desired by them.

Why would you desire the assessments of a group of people that you think are lower than dirt? What does that say about you? How can you unironically call yourself 'blackpilled'?

“It’s not my fault, I have an unconscious attraction for women I can’t change, just like I can’t choose to be sexually attracted to them.”

This is conflating a biological urge with a psychological mindset. Sexual attraction is innate, but continued admiration is not. Your desire to be validated by women isn’t hardwired, it’s conditioning you’ve absorbed, and a conditioning that can be broken. You are choosing to keep it alive.

You can't control WHAT you desire, but you can control HOW you desire

Instead of admitting the contradiction, many incels oscillate between both poles depending on what emotional state they're currently in. When they feel rejected they devalue women to protect their ego. When they crave intimacy they re-inflate women’s value as the ultimate judges of their worth.

It’s like trying to quench your thirst with saltwater.

If you want logical consistency, you'll have to:

Either: Continue the misogyny but stop calling yourself 'subhuman' because you don't meet female standards, and stop wanting to feel desired by women because you believe they're illogical and shallow anyway.

Or: Admit women's assessments matter, their judgments and affections carry weight (which would mean abandoning/curbing the misogyny).

You've heard it before: the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.

 

[IWWorkER]

Also incel: “But I also want to be loved, desired, and validated by women.”

No I just want free unlimited sex.

 

[IWWorkER]

Incel: “Women are shallow, illogical, stupid, manipulative, and untrustworthy.”

Truthnuke

 

[IWWorkER]

Why would you desire the assessments of a group of people that you think are lower than dirt?

I don't.

 

[hatepilledandrich]

Robot waifus. Reject humanity.

 

[Autist]

Actually, it would be something more like this:

“Women are shallow, illogical, stupid, manipulative, and untrustworthy.”

“The only reason a woman's opinion matters is because it is illegal to rape her.”

At least imho.

 

[Dollfucker]

Robot waifus. Reject humanity.

 

[InMemoriam]

this reads like an outsider post

 

[Chud Norris72]

women only love moggers.

 

[Blitz]

incel: “Women are shallow, illogical, stupid, manipulative, and untrustworthy.”

not towards chad
they treat chad well and everyone else badly

 

[soft]

this reads like an outsider post

not towards chad
they treat chad well and everyone else badly

 

[Todd Thundercock]

It's easy to understand. We want to fuck their holes. Listen to HTN-Chadlites in a more private setting away from women, they hate women the most because they deal with them the most.

 

[VλREN]

No

 

[VλREN]

Atleast not in my own life

 

[SociallyStunted]

its not that I crave female validation, its that I crave intimacy from a foid and sex from one to, i dont believe this counts as validation imo.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Not really a contradiction. Just switch it to different groups and you'll see that it only really has a weird aura when applied to the genders. Celebrities and richfags see poorfags as lower than dirt, but still want our attention and to be worshipped by us. Same with people who are racist or xenophobic against different groups, but then get insulted when those other groups hate them.

Being liked is a basic human want, that's really all that needs to be said here.

this reads like an outsider post

 

[WastedPotential]

This is not new. It's been covered in the forum before, but I'm just curious what today's incels think of it.

Incels are in a cognitive dissonance trap:

Incel: “Women are shallow, illogical, stupid, manipulative, and untrustworthy.”
Also incel: “But I also want to be loved, desired, and validated by women.”

Those two beliefs cannot sit comfortably together, because if women are worthless and stupid, then their approval should mean nothing. But if their approval actually matters, then they can’t be worthless.

It's like trusting a broken mirror to give a correct reflection. You view women as “broken mirrors” when rejected, but still run back to the same mirror because you desperately wish you were desired by them.

Why would you desire the assessments of a group of people that you think are lower than dirt? What does that say about you? How can you unironically call yourself 'blackpilled'?

“It’s not my fault, I have an unconscious attraction for women I can’t change, just like I can’t choose to be sexually attracted to them.”

This is conflating a biological urge with a psychological mindset. Sexual attraction is innate, but continued admiration is not. Your desire to be validated by women isn’t hardwired, it’s conditioning you’ve absorbed, and a conditioning that can be broken. You are choosing to keep it alive.

You can't control WHAT you desire, but you can control HOW you desire

Instead of admitting the contradiction, many incels oscillate between both poles depending on what emotional state they're currently in. When they feel rejected they devalue women to protect their ego. When they crave intimacy they re-inflate women’s value as the ultimate judges of their worth.

It’s like trying to quench your thirst with saltwater.

If you want logical consistency, you'll have to:

Either: Continue the misogyny but stop calling yourself 'subhuman' because you don't meet female standards, and stop wanting to feel desired by women because you believe they're illogical and shallow anyway.

Or: Admit women's assessments matter, their judgments and affections carry weight (which would mean abandoning/curbing the misogyny).

You've heard it before: the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.

The way you characterise women is a strawman, even if in your characterisation you are contradicting yourself, you call them stupid AND manipulative, whilst not exact opposites. Most people would agree manipulative people have some sort of intelligence that makes them successful in that trait.

By nature I'm sexually attracted to women, I can't help that. So in a literal sense, I would characterise most women as attractive and would want to fuck them.
When it comes to more romantic stuff, I crave more than just sex. I also crave human connection and someone I can come home to, to just chill and feel loved by. A partner I can go through life with. This is I think more of a culturally ingrained society thing, rather than biological. But even here there are some biological elements; People in general don't want to be alone, they want to be part of the group/tribe. if they are outcast, that 'hurts' and it's supposed to motivate a human to socialize. Not just romantically by the way. We crave belonging through friend groups as well for example.

Now the thing is, women are biologically wired to seek out the 'best genes'. If you're not a sentient being, you're not aware of this at a cognitive level. But we as humans can think and reason, and any person that notices this behaviour would call it shallow and dumb. Especially if you're an undesired man. The winners of this system (chad), will naturally support it, because they get to be on the top of the hierarchy, they get all the female attention for free. They're the most likely people to subscribe to the idea that value comes from the validation of women.

I don't subscribe to this idea, because it's irrational. NOTE that just because something is 'natural' or 'biological', doesn't mean it's 'good' or how 'things ought to be' there are a lot of behaviours and phenomena that are 'natural' but that we as humans have decided to do things different, because it lead to better outcomes for everyone or because doing it the artificial way just fits more neatly in our society than doing it the natural way. Take for instance cooking food, no other animal in nature cooks raw food. Cooking food kills pathogens making it more safe to eat. This is not natural at all.

Now I'm not going to pretend that I also wouldn't find value in women finding me attractive if I was, I would. But I'm not attractive, so I have to find other things in life that give me value. All incels do.
I'm incel, because I've never gotten female validation. If you as an incel value yourself based on that, that's retarded.
It's something completely out of my control and immutable, so why should I care?

So no, I don't believe in female validation. Do I desire it though? yes, because female validation indicates you have 'attractive' genetics and that you therefore gain access to sex and all the nice things like love and stuff. That's not to say that I think sexual selection is logical or rational. Like it's literally based on some milimeters of bone in your skull or some centimeters of bones in your legs to make them feel 'protected'. Like I said we live in a completely different, artifical society right now. not in the caveman times, wtf do they need protection for? So yes the way women value men is retarded, but biologically I still want to fuck them, biologically and culturally I still crave human connection and belonging.

Lastly you absolutely as an incel SHOULDNT base your value on what females think of you, you should value it on things in life that make you feel content and competent.

 

[Hope repellent]

Nigga got hit with post nut clarity

 

[D. B. Gooner]

I don't hate women as none were ever mean to me, they just don't find me attractive. It's the fault of my ancestors, the modern lifestyle, my parents, and also me.

Solution is nature ofc. You can't condition yourself out of having sexual desires. If girls picked on you in HS and you know you'll never get love from one why wouldn't you hate them? Why is being a hypocrite wrong? I never understood this about people, everyone always bitches and moans about people not holding themselves to the same standards they hold others. I can hate liars and be a liar myself, I can hate it when someone walks slow and blocks me from passing them up on the sidewalk, and then turn around and do the same to someone else when checking my phone. Why? Because I am at the center of the universe.

Good and bad only exist in a local sense. It is good if it's good for me or my loved ones, bad if it's bad for me or my loved ones. People always admire "sticking to a code", when it essentially means you have no self-worth, you equate yourself to complete strangers. I hate the moral highground these people hold as well. I am a hypocrite, we are all hypocrites, if you're not you're compensating for something, you're a predatory loser.

 

[Heartache1080GTX]

I just want moneh, peace and better health would be nice too.

 

[Livonica_Irreale]

Imagine situation like this:
You're starving, your mouth haven't seen food in a months. And then you see food - but it's behind a glass wall. The wall will shut down, when you'll pay, but you don't have money.
You're still a human - you want to eat something, your body demands it, but you're boiling in a rage, because your body demands something, that you can't have - then to comfort yourself, you start to convince yourself, that you don't need food. It's all fiction and stuff, but actually you're just coping.
Same with women. Our brains are so starved of sexual/romantic relationships, that drives us into madness. Our perception is blurred, our cognitive functions are messed up - all because our body constantly tries to endure this painful rejection.
I don't know how i would see the world, women and overall everything else, if a foid gave me love and affection - but surely, pain would be lifted up, and so perception changes.

 

[Sub5failure]

Actually, it would be something more like this:

“Women are shallow, illogical, stupid, manipulative, and untrustworthy.”

“The only reason a woman's opinion matters is because it is illegal to rape her.”

At least imho.

 

[incelite88]

Actually, it would be something more like this:

“Women are shallow, illogical, stupid, manipulative, and untrustworthy.”

“The only reason a woman's opinion matters is because it is illegal to rape her.”

At least imho.

 

[Grodd]

It's easy to understand. We want to fuck their holes. Listen to HTN-Chadlites in a more private setting away from women, they hate women the most because they deal with them the most.

 

[ezio6]

Its biological impluse. Logic says women : dangerous. Lizard braind says, woman attention: dopamine peak hits( heroin cocaine type shit)

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

I will chip in with my thoughts on this.

Firstly, it appears to me as if you are strawmanning the typical incel position on the value of women's judgment; there is no interrelationship between the innate desire to fulfill a biological imperative and valuing women as agents capable of discernment of one's worth. I find women attractive, and I most certainly wish to have a girlfriend that loves, cherishes, and adores me — but that is not a representation of the real woman; rather, it is a caricature I have generated within my mind of the ideal woman, although one could argue the top percentage of men do receive such treatment (then again, there is the obvious caveat: the woman in question is still a superficial, chadsexual slut) — but I digress. The point is, I do not truly value the opinion of the woman, despite the fact I am attracted to her, bound by my natural impulses, and an idealized version of femininity.

Her value judgment is largely irrelevant to me on the personal level, and within an ideal society, it would be outright inconsequential. The thing is, however, that we do live in a gynocentric society wherein the perception others have of us — particularly women — matters. That is why I might refer to myself as a subhuman sometimes, as that is the spiritual label I have been given by society, and that is how I am treated. I can personally recognize this labeling is outrageous, and bases human worth on external validation and innate physical appearance, but I must still recognize the fact I am, in a sense, a subhuman on the intersubjective level. My judgment of human worth, while significantly different, is largely irrelevant on this level.

The obvious fact is that recognizing the horrible nature of women doesn’t magically erase biological attraction or the emotional need for intimacy. Humans aren’t robots—you can know something is shitty and still desire it. That’s literally how reality works. Wanting validation doesn’t make you contradictory; it makes you human. You can’t just flip a switch and stop caring about approval from the sex you’re attracted to.

 

[slavcel11]

Logically yes absolutely, women are stupid and shallow, but we're men at the end of the day, plus some of girly quirks are kind of cute. Also when a girl admires you is probably a greet feeling, but what do I know. The idea of woman in my head I love (stereotypical anime waifu if you know what I mean), but I hate women for what they are in the real life. Doesn't seem that controversial

 

[Esoteric7]

It's easy to understand. We want to fuck their holes. Listen to HTN-Chadlites in a more private setting away from women, they hate women the most because they deal with them the most.

No it's more than just sex. If it were just about sex you could solve that by just visiting hookers. These htn-chadlites keep dating, marrying, and investing in women which proves they value women despite their complaints.

its not that I crave female validation, its that I crave intimacy from a foid and sex from one to, i dont believe this counts as validation imo.

That doesn’t hold up. Intimacy is validation (being wanted and accepted), and sex is validation (being chosen as desirable). If you want those from women, you’re still seeking their approval. You can’t separate them.

Not really a contradiction. Just switch it to different groups and you'll see that it only really has a weird aura when applied to the genders. Celebrities and richfags see poorfags as lower than dirt, but still want our attention and to be worshipped by us. Same with people who are racist or xenophobic against different groups, but then get insulted when those other groups hate them.

Being liked is a basic human want, that's really all that needs to be said here.

Celebrities or racists don’t depend on the groups they belittle for intimacy and love. Incels degrade women and desperately seek their validation in sex and relationships. That’s not just a “basic human want”, it’s a direct contradiction: you can’t call someone worthless while also treating their approval as the measure of your worth.

The way you characterise women is a strawman, even if in your characterisation you are contradicting yourself, you call them stupid AND manipulative, whilst not exact opposites. Most people would agree manipulative people have some sort of intelligence that makes them successful in that trait.

By nature I'm sexually attracted to women, I can't help that. So in a literal sense, I would characterise most women as attractive and would want to fuck them.
When it comes to more romantic stuff, I crave more than just sex. I also crave human connection and someone I can come home to, to just chill and feel loved by. A partner I can go through life with. This is I think more of a culturally ingrained society thing, rather than biological. But even here there are some biological elements; People in general don't want to be alone, they want to be part of the group/tribe. if they are outcast, that 'hurts' and it's supposed to motivate a human to socialize. Not just romantically by the way. We crave belonging through friend groups as well for example.

Now the thing is, women are biologically wired to seek out the 'best genes'. If you're not a sentient being, you're not aware of this at a cognitive level. But we as humans can think and reason, and any person that notices this behaviour would call it shallow and dumb. Especially if you're an undesired man. The winners of this system (chad), will naturally support it, because they get to be on the top of the hierarchy, they get all the female attention for free. They're the most likely people to subscribe to the idea that value comes from the validation of women.

I don't subscribe to this idea, because it's irrational. NOTE that just because something is 'natural' or 'biological', doesn't mean it's 'good' or how 'things ought to be' there are a lot of behaviours and phenomena that are 'natural' but that we as humans have decided to do things different, because it lead to better outcomes for everyone or because doing it the artificial way just fits more neatly in our society than doing it the natural way. Take for instance cooking food, no other animal in nature cooks raw food. Cooking food kills pathogens making it more safe to eat. This is not natural at all.

Now I'm not going to pretend that I also wouldn't find value in women finding me attractive if I was, I would. But I'm not attractive, so I have to find other things in life that give me value. All incels do.
I'm incel, because I've never gotten female validation. If you as an incel value yourself based on that, that's retarded.
It's something completely out of my control and immutable, so why should I care?

So no, I don't believe in female validation. Do I desire it though? yes, because female validation indicates you have 'attractive' genetics and that you therefore gain access to sex and all the nice things like love and stuff. That's not to say that I think sexual selection is logical or rational. Like it's literally based on some milimeters of bone in your skull or some centimeters of bones in your legs to make them feel 'protected'. Like I said we live in a completely different, artifical society right now. not in the caveman times, wtf do they need protection for? So yes the way women value men is retarded, but biologically I still want to fuck them, biologically and culturally I still crave human connection and belonging.

Lastly you absolutely as an incel SHOULDNT base your value on what females think of you, you should value it on things in life that make you feel content and competent.

You say you “don’t believe in female validation,” yet you also admit you desire it, define your inceldom by never having it, and see it as proof of “attractive genetics” and access to love/sex. That’s validation by definition. Attraction may be biological, but reverence is not and if you truly didn’t value women’s approval, you wouldn’t be measuring your life around its absence. That’s the contradiction the incel can’t escape.

I don't hate women as none were ever mean to me, they just don't find me attractive. It's the fault of my ancestors, the modern lifestyle, my parents, and also me.

Solution is nature ofc. You can't condition yourself out of having sexual desires. If girls picked on you in HS and you know you'll never get love from one why wouldn't you hate them? Why is being a hypocrite wrong? I never understood this about people, everyone always bitches and moans about people not holding themselves to the same standards they hold others. I can hate liars and be a liar myself, I can hate it when someone walks slow and blocks me from passing them up on the sidewalk, and then turn around and do the same to someone else when checking my phone. Why? Because I am at the center of the universe.

Good and bad only exist in a local sense. It is good if it's good for me or my loved ones, bad if it's bad for me or my loved ones. People always admire "sticking to a code", when it essentially means you have no self-worth, you equate yourself to complete strangers. I hate the moral highground these people hold as well. I am a hypocrite, we are all hypocrites, if you're not you're compensating for something, you're a predatory loser.

You admit you’re a hypocrite, but that’s not a defense it’s a confession. Sure, people can slip into hypocrisy in small everyday things but if you say “everyone’s a hypocrite,” you’re not excusing the contradiction, you’re just normalizing failure of logic. That doesn’t make your position stronger, it makes it weaker, because you’ve admitted you can’t defend it without retreating into “I’m allowed to contradict myself"

No I just want free unlimited sex.

I want big juicy Goth tiddies desperate to burst to feed me its milk: the elixir of life

Imagine situation like this:
You're starving, your mouth haven't seen food in a months. And then you see food - but it's behind a glass wall. The wall will shut down, when you'll pay, but you don't have money.
You're still a human - you want to eat something, your body demands it, but you're boiling in a rage, because your body demands something, that you can't have - then to comfort yourself, you start to convince yourself, that you don't need food. It's all fiction and stuff, but actually you're just coping.
Same with women. Our brains are so starved of sexual/romantic relationships, that drives us into madness. Our perception is blurred, our cognitive functions are messed up - all because our body constantly tries to endure this painful rejection.
I don't know how i would see the world, women and overall everything else, if a foid gave me love and affection - but surely, pain would be lifted up, and so perception changes.

Food is a biological necessity, you’ll literally die without it. Female validation isn’t. You can still live without sex or a girlfriend, your life quality still be poor but you won't die. if you both degrade women but claim their affection would “lift your pain,” you’re proving their approval matters to you which is the contradiction you can’t escape.

I will chip in with my thoughts on this.

Firstly, it appears to me as if you are strawmanning the typical incel position on the value of women's judgment; there is no interrelationship between the innate desire to fulfill a biological imperative and valuing women as agents capable of discernment of one's worth. I find women attractive, and I most certainly wish to have a girlfriend that loves, cherishes, and adores me — but that is not a representation of the real woman; rather, it is a caricature I have generated within my mind of the ideal woman, although one could argue the top percentage of men do receive such treatment (then again, there is the obvious caveat: the woman in question is still a superficial, chadsexual slut) — but I digress. The point is, I do not truly value the opinion of the woman, despite the fact I am attracted to her, bound by my natural impulses, and an idealized version of femininity.

Her value judgment is largely irrelevant to me on the personal level, and within an ideal society, it would be outright inconsequential. The thing is, however, that we do live in a gynocentric society wherein the perception others have of us — particularly women — matters. That is why I might refer to myself as a subhuman sometimes, as that is the spiritual label I have been given by society, and that is how I am treated. I can personally recognize this labeling is outrageous, and bases human worth on external validation and innate physical appearance, but I must still recognize the fact I am, in a sense, a subhuman on the intersubjective level. My judgment of human worth, while significantly different, is largely irrelevant on this level.

The obvious fact is that recognizing the horrible nature of women doesn’t magically erase biological attraction or the emotional need for intimacy. Humans aren’t robots—you can know something is shitty and still desire it. That’s literally how reality works. Wanting validation doesn’t make you contradictory; it makes you human. You can’t just flip a switch and stop caring about approval from the sex you’re attracted to.

You say you don't value real women’s judgment, only an imagined caricature. But if the “ideal woman” is still female, then her love and approval are being treated as meaningful. That is still valuing women’s judgment, just through a fantasy filter.

If you admit your sense of worth comes from how women and society perceive you, you’re admitting female validation matters to you. You can’t both claim it’s “irrelevant” and also say its absence defines you as “subhuman.”

The “humans aren’t robots” line is a red herring. no matter how much you dress it up in philosophy. The contradiction remains.

Logically yes absolutely, women are stupid and shallow, but we're men at the end of the day, plus some of girly quirks are kind of cute. Also when a girl admires you is probably a greet feeling, but what do I know. The idea of woman in my head I love (stereotypical anime waifu if you know what I mean), but I hate women for what they are in the real life. Doesn't seem that controversial

Saying you hate “real women” but love your fantasy version is still valuing women. you just swapped flesh-and-blood women for an imaginary one

 

[Transcended Trucel]

it's pretty simple. we want women good sides without any flaws. or at least maybe 1/4 the flaws they have.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Celebrities or racists don’t depend on the groups they belittle for intimacy and love.

No, but they depend on them for other things, at least celebrities do (following, money, fame and so on). The context is different, but the overall situation is the same. In all of these cases, it's possible to look down at a group and acknowledge that you need it.

Incels degrade women and desperately seek their validation in sex and relationships.

Yes, and sex and relationships only. There's nothing contradictory about not having a high opinion of someone you only want a certain thing from. I can imagine that multimillionaire company owners probably quite look down on the lowest-placed workers, but they of course still need them and make sure that their comapnies seek them out when needed. Nothing contradictory about that.

And that is assuming that incels even really degrade women in any serious way, more than women already casually degrade men, which is far from the case. So overall, a case could be made that it's just normal state of affairs between the sexes. A lot of the blackpill ("They only care about looks and don't care about personality at all,") is literally just stuff both women and men have been saying about men for centuries and it's never been controversial in the slightest.

That’s not just a “basic human want”, it’s a direct contradiction: you can’t call someone worthless while also treating their approval as the measure of your worth.

It's only a "measure of your worth" if what you've mentioned above, and what I've said is the only thing incels want from women, that is, intimacy and love, are the only ways to measure someone's worth. That is of course bullshit.

Again, no contradiction in caring what everyone thinks about you, no matter what you think about them. I was bullied as shit all the way to high school, to the point of getting a nickname from some senior teacher because I was the only one out of a hundred-plus kids at recess who was always visibly alone, and I randomly walked into people I didn't know and never saw before talking about me. Safe to say just about everyone there looked down at me, and yet, they still cared what I thought and said, still flipped out when I insulted them, and so on. It is literally just human nature to care about what everyone thinks about you, no matter what your own image is of them.

And of course, all of that is assuming that incels uniformly call women worthless, which I believe others have already commented on, but of course, it's far from the case.

 

[ULTRAMAN]

this reads like an outsider post

 

[SlayerSlayer]

The answer is AI bitch.

You're welcome

 

[WastedPotential]

You say you “don’t believe in female validation,” yet you also admit you desire it, define your inceldom by never having it, and see it as proof of “attractive genetics” and access to love/sex. That’s validation by definition. Attraction may be biological, but reverence is not and if you truly didn’t value women’s approval, you wouldn’t be measuring your life around its absence. That’s the contradiction the incel can’t escape.

I don't believe it's logical, It's still desirable. But like I said as an incel you won't ever get it anyway. so no point in waiting for it.

That's why I value my life on other things than women's approval, i'm above that. Has the absensce of women's approval caused that? sure, but who cares.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

You say you don't value real women’s judgment, only an imagined caricature. But if the “ideal woman” is still female, then her love and approval are being treated as meaningful. That is still valuing women’s judgment, just through a fantasy filter.

If you admit your sense of worth comes from how women and society perceive you, you’re admitting female validation matters to you. You can’t both claim it’s “irrelevant” and also say its absence defines you as “subhuman.”

The “humans aren’t robots” line is a red herring. no matter how much you dress it up in philosophy. The contradiction remains.

You’re conflating desire with valuation, which is precisely the point I was trying to separate. The “ideal woman” I’ve imagined isn’t meaningful to me as an agent, for her judgment carries no intrinsic authority. She’s meaningful only as an object of desire that exists in my psyche. It’s not her judgment that I seek but rather the experience of being cherished and desired; I desire the psychological state of desire and love, not the validation of a real female mind. Furthermore, even if I did accept the judgment of the idealized female as valuable—which I don't—what's the contradictory problem in that? I have stripped the female of all negative qualities, and constructed a version capable of behavior that I genuinely respect; we have reached a point wherein one could argue the judgment of the idealized female is worthy of consideration and value, even if the real one is a horrid creature. The view that the actions, thoughts, and beliefs of a person may affect the worth of their judgment is not antithetical at all.

When I say my social status or “subhuman” label comes from how women and society perceive me, that’s not me confessing their opinions hold moral weight or legitimacy. I am merely recognizing power, not necessarily attributing any value to it. Society can deem me worthless without me personally accepting that judgment as valid. A prisoner may know his captors’ rules are unjust but still has to abide by them to survive. My rational faculties allow me to recognize external power dynamics without valuing judgment, to observe and understand the various ways intersubjective interpretation occurs; that does not make me, ipso facto, one who values their opinions or uses it as a measure for my personal worth.

So there’s no contradiction.

I do not value women’s judgments as inherently meaningful.

I recognize that, in a gynocentric society, their judgments functionally shape my social experience.

I still feel desire because biology and emotional needs persist regardless of my intellectual contempt for the source.

This is not a “red herring” but the very nature of human psychology, for instincts don’t disappear because you’ve rationally deconstructed their object. You’re accusing me of hypocrisy where there is only the human condition; acknowledging a power structure and still being affected by it does not mean one grants it legitimacy.

 

[psyop]

Nigga got hit with post nut clarity

 

[Uninvited]

The men who get the most women feel the same way about women as we do.
Women are pretty much objects to them, but women are slaves to their pussy tingles so will get turned into toilets willingly for them.

 

[AdolfRizzler]

this is because even if foids are foids, our biological impulses craves those feeling, just like we crave sex, it s basic needs like food and water

 

[yeetbender_]

Your posts teeter on the edge of gynocentrism to an annoying degree.

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

I don't want validation I WANT PUSSY

 

[OverLoner]

Because much like men as le redditors love to say "wOmeN aReN't a MoNoLiTh" which is to say people aren't all the same. I've met people I hate, feel neutral towards, and like. If I had to guess lots of incels have had only bad experiences with women and not just in the romantic sense. Friends, family, and even mere acquaintances. Despite all that you can't really erase our instincts to reproduce and most people want to be normal on some level. Being normal usually means getting into a loving relationship, having lots of sex, and finally have kids along with having other social ties within society and feeling important in some way even if tiny. But thats just my theory as I bear no hatred to women in general. Just to a couple of my former landlords that happened to be women but I hate most of my former landlords.

 

[OverLoner]

I don't want validation I WANT PUSSY

Then see an escort? Prostitution happens all over the world whether it's legal or not. Just make sure to use a condom and use caution.

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

Then see an escort?

It has to be prime virgin pussy

 

[Subhumantruecel67]

It's pretty easy, you don't want a foid, your dick only crave sex.

 

[OverLoner]

It has to be prime virgin pussy

That's unrealistic but I'm sure you already know that.

 

[Entersocialdemocrat]

Retard

 

[SociallyStupid]

Those two beliefs cannot sit comfortably together, because if women are worthless and stupid, then their approval should mean nothing. But if their approval actually matters, then they can’t be worthless.

It doesn't matter too much from an ... idk, personal point of view in that if a woman admires/validates a guy, I don't think it necessarily means that this guy has great morals or contributes to society in a meaningfully positive way.

But it absolutely does matter from a functional point of view, which is that if you want a "normal" relationship, i.e. one leading to marriage and kids, supporting each other till old age, you need their validation. This makes it especially frustrating as you both know that their criteria for choosing a partner do not lead to societal improvement, you might think that your genes and personality do, but you still "have to" try to fulfil their demands which you also know are impossible for you to fulfil.

Now the thing is, women are biologically wired to seek out the 'best genes'. If you're not a sentient being, you're not aware of this at a cognitive level. But we as humans can think and reason, and any person that notices this behaviour would call it shallow and dumb. Especially if you're an undesired man. The winners of this system (chad), will naturally support it, because they get to be on the top of the hierarchy, they get all the female attention for free. They're the most likely people to subscribe to the idea that value comes from the validation of women.

They are seeking out the most masculine men, I don't think they choose the men which would be best to mate with from the point of society/relation stability. I think the best example is that during ovulation they especially desire high-T men with dark triad personality, which are men which are prone to leave them later and also contribute to a lot of the violence women simultaneously decry.

 

[yeetbender_]

I only venerate an idealized manifestation of the male anima (2D foids), which fuels my resentment when I compare them to 3D foids.
Aside from that, sexual desire and hunger is natural.
Foids are meat and sexflesh: a red-blooded man craves the meat and sexflesh of a thick, ripe, attractive female (in GTA San Andreas).

 

[TurkeyKing]

Robot waifus. Reject humanity.

 

[Freixel]

We want their bodies, we hate their mind and personallities, it's not that complicated

 

[Dolls & Gor]

If the reigning Jews weren't training females to be heartless butchers of man's body & soul, our society would inculcate healthy relationships between boy & girl from puberty.