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You see it all the time: some lonely male dares to briefly vent or complain online about how miserable his life is and everyone acts completely apathetic if not straight up aggressive. People will constantly downplay everything he's going through. Psychiatrists will just be confused and tell him nothing’s wrong with him, everything is in his head, that he can totally live with the issues he's having.

TURNS OUT MAYBE THEY SIMPLY CANNOT CARE ON A NEUROLOGICAL LEVEL
  • Brain scans show that social pain is real and activates the very same parts of the brain as physical pain
  • This corroborates a previous study found on the wiki
  • Unlike physical pain, the social pain of others did NOT activate the parts of the brain that would suggest feelings of empathy
  • The only exception to this was with close friends, only then did people show brain activation that suggests empathy
  • Moreover, reliving social pain is much more painful that reliving physical pain.
  • SOCIAL PAIN HAUNTS YOU
  • Social exclusion INCREASES sensitivity to physical pain, social support DECREASES it. Physical and social pain are both real and they overlap, there is a shared pain circuitry

People don't care about the social hardships you go through. People will have 1000 times more empathy for a guy getting suckerpunched on worldstarthiphop than they’ll have for a social outcast and lifelong victim. It's pointless to expect sympathy/empathy from other people, don't waste your time pouring your heart out and expecting them to understand

People don’t care because they CANNOT care :blackpill:

Unless maybe they deeply love you to begin with :feelsmage:



Social pain haunts you



"With regard to reliving pain, studies have shown that reliving socially painful experiences elicits more pain. Thus, subjects reported feeling more pain after reliving a prior episode of social pain than after reliving a prior episode of physical pain, even though there were no differences in the amount of pain experienced at the time the event originally occurred (‘initial pain’, see the figure, part a)"

People don't have empathy for the social pain of others



"Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)"

Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)

Physical-social pain overlap: being a loner/outcast will physically hurt you





"Experimental manipulations of failure (which may convey that one would not be liked or accepted by others) have been shown to increase pain ratings to a cold-pressor task, a painful task that involves immersing one’s hand in ice water for extended periods of time. Similarly, experiences of social exclusion have been shown to increase physical pain sensitivity, and those who report feeling more rejected in response to exclusion report higher physical pain ratings in response to a pain stimulus delivered at the end of the exclusion episode."

"In addition to pain-enhancing effects, factors that reduce one type of painful experience should reduce the other as well. Along these lines, considerable research has shown that social support, typically associated with reduced perceptions of social harm, is related to reduced physical pain. Correlational research has demonstrated that individuals with more social support experience less pain across a number of different domains.
In addition, experimental work has demonstrated a causal effect of social support on pain. For example, viewing a picture or holding the hand of a loved one (relative to a stranger or object) leads to reductions in self-reported pain, as well as reductions in pain-related neural activity (in the dACC and AI). Thus, the perception or presence of social support, presumably indicative of a lesser likelihood of social harm, appears to reduce physical pain as well."


SergeantIncel @SergeantIncel Master @Master I think this is important to understand the dynamics between loners/outcasts/incels etc and the rest of the population

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LINK TO THE FULL ARTICLE AND NAME OF THE STUDY. It's a great meta analysis of the neurology of pain and social experiences

"The pain of social disconnection: examining the shared neural underpinnings of physical and social pain"

 
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Gymcelled said:
You see it all the time: some lonely male dares to briefly vent or complain online about how miserable his life is and everyone acts completely apathetic if not straight up aggressive. People will constantly downplay everything he's going through. Psychiatrists will just be confused and tell him nothing’s wrong with him, everything is in his head, that he can totally live with the issues he's having.

TURNS OUT MAYBE THEY SIMPLY CANNOT CARE ON A NEUROLOGICAL LEVEL
  • Brain scans show that social pain is real and activates the very same parts of the brain as physical pain
  • This corroborates a previous study found on the wiki
  • Unlike physical pain, the social pain of others did NOT activate the parts of the brain that would suggest feelings of empathy
  • The only exception to this was with close friends, only then did people show brain activation that suggests empathy
  • Moreover, reliving social pain is much more painful that reliving physical pain.
  • SOCIAL PAIN HAUNTS YOU
  • Social exclusion INCREASES sensitivity to physical pain, social support DECREASES it. Physical and social pain are both real and they overlap, there is a shared pain circuitry

People don't care about the social hardships you go through. People will have 1000 times more empathy for a guy getting suckerpunched on worldstarthiphop than they’ll have for a social outcast and lifelong victim. It's pointless to expect sympathy/empathy from other people, don't waste your time pouring your heart out and expecting them to understand

People don’t care because they CANNOT care :blackpill:

Unless maybe they deeply love you to begin with :feelsmage:

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Social pain haunts you

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"With regard to reliving pain, studies have shown that reliving socially painful experiences elicits more pain. Thus, subjects reported feeling more pain after reliving a prior episode of social pain than after reliving a prior episode of physical pain, even though there were no differences in the amount of pain experienced at the time the event originally occurred (‘initial pain’, see the figure, part a)"

People don't have empathy for the social pain of others

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"Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)"

Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)

Physical-social pain overlap: being a loner/outcast will physically hurt you

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"Experimental manipulations of failure (which may convey that one would not be liked or accepted by others) have been shown to increase pain ratings to a cold-pressor task, a painful task that involves immersing one’s hand in ice water for extended periods of time. Similarly, experiences of social exclusion have been shown to increase physical pain sensitivity, and those who report feeling more rejected in response to exclusion report higher physical pain ratings in response to a pain stimulus delivered at the end of the exclusion episode."

"In addition to pain-enhancing effects, factors that reduce one type of painful experience should reduce the other as well. Along these lines, considerable research has shown that social support, typically associated with reduced perceptions of social harm, is related to reduced physical pain. Correlational research has demonstrated that individuals with more social support experience less pain across a number of different domains.
In addition, experimental work has demonstrated a causal effect of social support on pain. For example, viewing a picture or holding the hand of a loved one (relative to a stranger or object) leads to reductions in self-reported pain, as well as reductions in pain-related neural activity (in the dACC and AI). Thus, the perception or presence of social support, presumably indicative of a lesser likelihood of social harm, appears to reduce physical pain as well."


SergeantIncel @SergeantIncel Master @Master I think this is important to understand the dynamics between loners/outcasts/incels etc and the rest of the population

Tagging bros who might be interested in this

cvh1991 @cvh1991 ionlycopenow @ionlycopenow ReturnOfSaddam @ReturnOfSaddam LOLI BREEDING @LOLI BREEDING soymonkcel @soymonkcel Y @your personality ThoughtfulCel @ThoughtfulCel FastBananaCEO @FastBananaCEO BPJ @BPJ

LINK TO THE FULL ARTICLE AND NAME OF THE STUDY. It's a great meta analysis of the neurology of pain and social experiences

"The pain of social disconnection: examining the shared neural underpinnings of physical and social pain"

People care for the social pain of females so they are definitely capable of caring about social pain so there's no real excuse. But males are always held to higher standards and proof and accountability is always demanded of them. Btw even when guys show visible signs of physical pain and sickness if they are low status and ugly no one cares and they find it funny.
 
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Truth. Worst part is though that they actually will empathize with those that need it the least (e.g. e-popular thots, gays, and trannies who all clearly have and had perfectly normal lives but will of course claim to have "been bullied" or something similar for attention) they don't actually give a fuck about those that actually are bullied and excluded (as it's usually ugly and autistic males) then they sit there and wonder why so many are going ER.
 
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your personality said:
People care for the social pain of females but males are always held to higher standards and proof and accountability is always demanded of them. Btw even when guys show signs of physical pain and sickness if they are low status and ugly no one cares and they find it funny.
I think they only care about the social pain of females because they think it'll get them laid or at the very least make them look good (because they're helping the poor woman, showing support etc).

But nobody cares about low smv males, nobody wants to fuck them and nobody will think better of you if you help a low smv male
Like you said if anything it's funny, low smv males are clowns and punching bags. Turbomanlets in particular are bullied in public all the time and nobody bats an eye. If anything people freak out when the turbomanlet tries to stop it in any way
 
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People fail to empathize probably because they believe you in some way deserve the way you're being treated. Its a defense mechanism too. They don't want to empathize with a low status male because empathy will make them more likely to hang around you, thus lowering their status.
 
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Gymcelled said:
I think they only care about the social pain of females because they think it'll get them laid or at the very least make them look good (because they're helping the poor woman, showing support etc).
No it's deeper than that. It should be obvious by now that it doesn't matter whether they get laid or not. It's because they value the average woman more than the average man.
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But nobody cares about low smv males, nobody wants to fuck them and nobody will think better of you if you help a low smv male
Would discourage saying "nobody" does. Clearly some people here and other related male oriented communities care but obviously they don't have much they can actionably do about it because when you are ugly and low status nothing you say in your defense matters. The problem is not enough people care and many low smv males will throw each other under the bus instead of opposing higher status people that try to inflict distress on them.

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If anything people freak out when the turbomanlet tries to stop it in any way
Yeah and social media only makes this mob mentality worse.
 
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Gymcelled said:
I think they only care about the social pain of females because they think it'll get them laid or at the very least make them look good (because they're helping the poor woman, showing support etc).

But nobody cares about low smv males, nobody wants to fuck them and nobody will think better of you if you help a low smv male
Like you said if anything it's funny, low smv males are clowns and punching bags. Turbomanlets in particular are bullied in public all the time and nobody bats an eye. If anything people freak out when the turbomanlet tries to stop it in any way
Low status males are seen as a nuisance. "If he dies its ok, he didn't make anything of himself and his genes are shit so who cares."
 
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TaciturnCel said:
Low status males are seen as a nuisance. "If he dies its ok, he didn't make anything of himself and his genes are shit so who cares."
Truth. You will go to your grave having people either forget you even existed or thinking you deserved everything that came your way or even worse things :feelsmage:

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Would discourage saying "nobody" does. Clearly some people here and other related male oriented communities care but obviously they don't have much they can actionably do about it because when you are ugly and low status nothing you say in your defense matters. The problem is not enough people care and many low smv males will throw each other under the bus instead of opposing higher status people that try to inflict distress on them.
We're different though. Not because we're high iq or morally superior but i think being shat on lifelong makes you go melvin mode, full introspection, more self aware etc. That in turn makes you more sympathetic and empathetic for the plight of other men who got shafted by their genetics

Like the other day i saw a 5ft3 or 4 balding manlet, he was trying to smile and laugh but i saw pain in his eyes. I can immediately tell he's gone through so much and doesn't like where his life is at. I felt bad for him even though im not a turbomanlet.

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No it's deeper than that. It should be obvious by now that it doesn't matter whether they get laid or not. It's because they value the average woman more than the average man.
It's why i also added they think it'll make them look good (virtue signaling, increase their chances etc)

But yeah women are always seen as having intrinsic value no matter what

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Truth. Worst part is though that they actually will empathize with those that need it the least (e.g. e-popular thots, gays, and trannies who all clearly have and had perfectly normal lives but will of course claim to have "been bullied" or something similar for attention) they don't actually give a fuck about those that actually are bullied and excluded (as it's usually ugly and autistic males) then they sit there and wonder why so many are going ER.
Just look at the body positivity movement. It should be about people born disfigured, people with 3rd degree burns, people who had accidents that disfigured them etc

Instead it's obese foids. People with horrible behaviors and no self control who sabotaged their own body. They want to larp as victims :feelsugh:
 
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Gymcelled said:
We're different though. Not because we're high iq or morally superior but i think being shat on lifelong makes you go melvin mode, full introspection, more self aware etc. That in turn makes you more sympathetic and empathetic for the plight of other men who got shafted by their genetics
Yeah but with some exceptions. Some guys no matter what will never be empathetic because that's how they're wired ngl
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Like the other day i saw a 5ft3 or 4 balding manlet, he was trying to smile and laugh but i saw pain in his eyes. I can immediately tell he's gone through so much and doesn't like where his life is at. I felt bad for him even though im not a turbomanlet.
It goes beyond feeling bad tbh
It actually makes us less likely to be cooperative with anyone in the future and disgusted at the state of society to even care about about empathizing with others if clearly not many people around you empathize with you. But that's not even the end of it. While it's demanded that it's every man for themselves and those men that failed are cast as "losers" society simultaneously demands that such guys that were dismissed care about issues that affect their prioritized group (women).

Then they get mad when you don't and call it entitled when it's them being entitled by expecting you to care about their causes but going out of their way to dismiss yours.
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It's why i also added they think it'll make them look good (virtue signaling, increase their chances etc)

But yeah women are always seen as having intrinsic value no matter what
tbh this is always present on social media and discussions about wide ranging systematic issues with society and policy like politics. Another reason politics is such a horrible cope for incels.
 
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Science showing what everyone other than normalfags and foids already know. :feelsmage:
 
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researches me.

normies laugh when somebody is getting humiliated while they have some aversion to physical brutality :feelscomfy: fuck I hated high school
 
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It goes beyond feeling bad tbh
It actually makes us less likely to be cooperative with anyone in the future and disgusted at the state of society to even care about about empathizing with others if clearly not many people around you empathize with you. But that's not even the end of it. While it's demanded that it's every man for themselves and those men that failed are cast as "losers" society simultaneously demands that such guys that were dismissed care about issues that affect their prioritized group (women).

Then they get mad when you don't and call it entitled when it's them being entitled by expecting you to care about their causes but going out of their way to dismiss yours.
We're not entitled to ANYTHING but we have all the burdens and duties

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Science showing what everyone other than normalfags and foids already know. :feelsmage:
Those 2 make up like 90% of the population (because most incels are in denial)

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researches me.

normies laugh when somebody is getting humiliated while they have some aversion to physical brutality :feelscomfy: fuck I hated high school
I think physical pain is less abstract and easier to process. And tons of people who are socially untouchable (foids, chads) can still be subject to physical violence. How many times have you heard foids saying that they're afraid of muh creepy guy, afraid of walking in the street alone late at night etc

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fuck I hated high school
Brutal
 
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Kill em all in Minecraft:feelsjuice:
 
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this is like surface level “no shit” type of stuff nigga
your biology reports don’t contribute much to inceldom discussion you’re just trying to get stickied as usua- yup it’s already at the top of the page not even a few hours in:feelstastyman:
 
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We're not entitled to ANYTHING but we have all the burdens and duties
I mean aside from taxes you can shrug that off but people will still judge you while demanding you don't judge them. Burdens and duties like what? Putting yourself in harm's way to protect women? Don't do that to the maximum extent you can. Country gets attacked and you are called for war? Rope instead if you are suicidal instead of fighting on behalf of a society that hates you. Or just take the prison sentence and possible execution because the real enemies are at home not other incels abroad.
 
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I mean aside from taxes you can shrug that off but people will still judge you while demanding you don't judge them. Burdens and duties like what? Putting yourself in harm's way to protect women? Don't do that to the maximum extent you can. Country gets attacked and you are called for war? Rope instead if you are suicidal instead of fighting on behalf of a society that hates you. Or just take the prison sentence and possible execution because the real enemies are at home not other incels abroad.
Truth be told the world is random and retarded. Destroy it. Like saint ER once said in minecraft
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Yeah but with some exceptions. Some guys no matter what will never be empathetic because that's how they're wired ngl
Gotta get the memory injections. They won't be wired if they are haunted by pajeet the 5'2 balding janitor crying near them with his traumas 24/7
 
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Truth be told the world is random and retarded. Destroy it. Like saint ER once said in minecraft
Look up what BlkPillPres @BlkPillPres has said. Going er is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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Gotta get the memory injections. They won't be wired if they are haunted by pajeet the 5'2 balding janitor crying near them with his traumas 24/7
Those memory injections will be used on incels not the people that prey on them.
 
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Look up what BlkPillPres @BlkPillPres has said. Going er is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Those memory injections will be used on incels not the people that prey on them.
Going ER is one of my forever dreams. Killing people is the path to freedom whatever white nigger said idc tbh. That is truth. Sadly most have parasitic survival attachments attached to them. Plus I won't need to do it if nature is gunna do it in no time.
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Look up what BlkPillPres @BlkPillPres has said. Going er is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Those memory injections will be used on chads not the innocent brothers of ours.
Damn brocel you got drunk so I fixed it for you.
 
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Going ER is one of my forever dreams. Killing people is the path to freedom whatever white nigger said idc tbh.
BlkPillPres has a point though. You want to have your revenge? It would have to be total.
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That is truth. Sadly most have parasitic survival attachments attached to them. Plus I won't need to do it if nature is gunna do it in no time.
Humans will still survive the natural cataclysm you seem to be suggesting.
 
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BlkPillPres has a point though. You want to have your revenge? It would have to be total.

Humans wont survive the natural cataclysm you seem to be suggesting.
Yeah they really won't. Just gotta kill em all. That's ideal.
 
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Yeah they really won't. Just gotta kill em all. That's ideal.
Some portion of humans would still survive climate change. Same with an asteroid strike on the scale of what made the dinosaurs go extinct. And the latter isn't expected to occur this century.

Your ideal isn't realistic. Do have to ask don't you think it's too late to be seeking revenge when you clearly see that injustice is inherent in life?
 
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Some portion of humans would still survive climate change. Same with an asteroid strike on the scale of what made the dinosaurs go extinct. And the latter isn't expected to occur this century.

Your ideal isn't realistic. Do have to ask don't you think it's too late to be seeking revenge when you clearly see that injustice is inherent in life?
Kill em all brocel:feelsjuice: in minecraft
 
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Damn brocel you got drunk so I fixed it for you.
No need. Technology used to oppress others is always used on the more unpopular scapegoats of society. So they aren't going to be used on chads if they are developed. It's way more likely these hypothetical devices you are talking about will be used on incels.

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Kill em all brocel:feelsjuice: in minecraft
There is no solution. That's the blackpill Copexodius Maximus @Copexodius Maximus
 
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And yet people just keep ignoring this pain overlap. People just keep ignoring science because they'll be called Misogynists (modern day Heretic telling everyone the Earth revolves around the Sun). Someone feels pleasure in our pain.. there is no other reason for keeping us all alive and suffering and unable to change our life circumstances. I would find pleasure as being the one to end it all.. all this meaningless suffering and figment chasing. I hate this world so much.
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We're not entitled to ANYTHING but we have all the burdens and duties
That is why Suicide is so common place. It is the only way of getting rid of all the weight placed upon you for no reason. The only way the burden is lifted. It is so unfair that we should receive no reward but are required to complete all things for everyone everywhere. The only reward is Death from a world of non stop work. Death is a way of killing everybody without actually killing them. The world just goes black. You win but you also lose. It is the price of Victory.
 
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Did they compare the data between men and women? Or did they do as they typically do and average the mens and womens numbers together to conceal the fact that women do not experience any empathy or compassion and are basically faking emotions and barely register as a conscious being?
 
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Truth. Worst part is though that they actually will empathize with those that need it the least (e.g. e-popular thots, gays, and trannies who all clearly have and had perfectly normal lives but will of course claim to have "been bullied" or something similar for attention) they don't actually give a fuck about those that actually are bullied and excluded (as it's usually ugly and autistic males) then they sit there and wonder why so many are going ER.
Based af
 
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Gymcelled said:
Psychiatrists will just be confused and tell him nothing’s wrong with him, everything is in his head, that he can totally live with the issues he's having.
Went to 3 of them when I had depression and I found this. Fuck, of them told me that I got bullied/I was being ostracized because probably "people thought I was easy to bully". Professionals :feelssus:
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"Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)"
Add to that that the ones who get the least empathy usually have less friends. It's like nature and soyciety have a set of mechanisms that snowballs towards denying/making the void/deleting people like us, like an exacerbation of the already existing forces for a more efficient selection.

Nice post.
TaciturnCel said:
People fail to empathize probably because they believe you in some way deserve the way you're being treated. Its a defense mechanism too. They don't want to empathize with a low status male because empathy will make them more likely to hang around you, thus lowering their status.
Didn't think of it as a defense mechanism. Interesting.
Nukethisgayearth said:
this is like surface level “no shit” type of stuff nigga
your biology reports don’t contribute much to inceldom discussion you’re just trying to get stickied as usua- yup it’s already at the top of the page not even a few hours in:feelstastyman:
ofc we already know most of this. It's providing a more solid piece of evidence what counts: we have the same point, but it's of better quality.
 
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can always rely on you making well researched, highly informative threads. thank you bruvski.
 
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Great thread man always been consistent with them.
 
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It's funny how acknowledging this pain gets you pushed out of society and mocked, as if it's not valid pain.

And the funny thing is that it's purely due to gender. Had the pain we feel been a female issue there would be clinics in every town and city to solve the problem.

This kinda relates to how men being the butt of a joke is accepted but women being the butt of a joke is taboo. As a species, humans just ignore male pain and suffering
 
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makes sense evolutionarily speaking

humans always lived within slmall groups of max 150 people or so. having empathy towards strangers doesnt increase your odds of survival generally speaking, and you may even be betrayed if you trust a member of another tribe, getting your tribe more easily affected by enemies of it or so

so people who had empathy towards strangers in the past simply reproduced less probably because of a variety of other factors i didnt take into account

humans are more of a tribal species than a civilization species, there are simply too much humans interconnected because of globalism, thus its unrealistic to expect empathy from a non-member of the "tribe"
 
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Gymcelled said:
You see it all the time: some lonely male dares to briefly vent or complain online about how miserable his life is and everyone acts completely apathetic if not straight up aggressive. People will constantly downplay everything he's going through. Psychiatrists will just be confused and tell him nothing’s wrong with him, everything is in his head, that he can totally live with the issues he's having.

TURNS OUT MAYBE THEY SIMPLY CANNOT CARE ON A NEUROLOGICAL LEVEL
  • Brain scans show that social pain is real and activates the very same parts of the brain as physical pain
  • This corroborates a previous study found on the wiki
  • Unlike physical pain, the social pain of others did NOT activate the parts of the brain that would suggest feelings of empathy
  • The only exception to this was with close friends, only then did people show brain activation that suggests empathy
  • Moreover, reliving social pain is much more painful that reliving physical pain.
  • SOCIAL PAIN HAUNTS YOU
  • Social exclusion INCREASES sensitivity to physical pain, social support DECREASES it. Physical and social pain are both real and they overlap, there is a shared pain circuitry

People don't care about the social hardships you go through. People will have 1000 times more empathy for a guy getting suckerpunched on worldstarthiphop than they’ll have for a social outcast and lifelong victim. It's pointless to expect sympathy/empathy from other people, don't waste your time pouring your heart out and expecting them to understand

People don’t care because they CANNOT care :blackpill:

Unless maybe they deeply love you to begin with :feelsmage:

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Social pain haunts you

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"With regard to reliving pain, studies have shown that reliving socially painful experiences elicits more pain. Thus, subjects reported feeling more pain after reliving a prior episode of social pain than after reliving a prior episode of physical pain, even though there were no differences in the amount of pain experienced at the time the event originally occurred (‘initial pain’, see the figure, part a)"

People don't have empathy for the social pain of others

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"Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)"

Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)

Physical-social pain overlap: being a loner/outcast will physically hurt you

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"Experimental manipulations of failure (which may convey that one would not be liked or accepted by others) have been shown to increase pain ratings to a cold-pressor task, a painful task that involves immersing one’s hand in ice water for extended periods of time. Similarly, experiences of social exclusion have been shown to increase physical pain sensitivity, and those who report feeling more rejected in response to exclusion report higher physical pain ratings in response to a pain stimulus delivered at the end of the exclusion episode."

"In addition to pain-enhancing effects, factors that reduce one type of painful experience should reduce the other as well. Along these lines, considerable research has shown that social support, typically associated with reduced perceptions of social harm, is related to reduced physical pain. Correlational research has demonstrated that individuals with more social support experience less pain across a number of different domains.
In addition, experimental work has demonstrated a causal effect of social support on pain. For example, viewing a picture or holding the hand of a loved one (relative to a stranger or object) leads to reductions in self-reported pain, as well as reductions in pain-related neural activity (in the dACC and AI). Thus, the perception or presence of social support, presumably indicative of a lesser likelihood of social harm, appears to reduce physical pain as well."


SergeantIncel @SergeantIncel Master @Master I think this is important to understand the dynamics between loners/outcasts/incels etc and the rest of the population

Tagging bros who might be interested in this

cvh1991 @cvh1991 ionlycopenow @ionlycopenow ReturnOfSaddam @ReturnOfSaddam LOLI BREEDING @LOLI BREEDING soymonkcel @soymonkcel Y @your personality ThoughtfulCel @ThoughtfulCel FastBananaCEO @FastBananaCEO BPJ @BPJ

LINK TO THE FULL ARTICLE AND NAME OF THE STUDY. It's a great meta analysis of the neurology of pain and social experiences

"The pain of social disconnection: examining the shared neural underpinnings of physical and social pain"

Good post as usual mate, feels bad man :feelsbadman:
 
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your personality said:
No need. Technology used to oppress others is always used on the more unpopular scapegoats of society. So they aren't going to be used on chads if they are developed. It's way more likely these hypothetical devices you are talking about will be used on incels.


There is no solution. That's the blackpill Copexodius Maximus @Copexodius Maximus
Holy shit this was a beyond brootal post. But it does a lot to explain why normies and women don’t give a shit about our suffering.

based and research pilled.
Thanks for the tag btw.
 
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This is a quality post. Thanks for sharing this study.
It's amazing how everything that a blackpilled incel would know is cutting-edge in psychology
 
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Gymcelled said:
Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)
I messed up the spoiler here, it was supposed to contain the text below

One way to understand these findings is to hypothesize that experiences of social pain may rely on more abstract types of social-cognitive processing that can be intentionally activated, whereas experiences of physical pain may rely on more low-level, automatic processes that are less accessible to intentional activation. If this were the case, it would make sense that social pain would be more easily relived than physical pain because the processes that elicit social pain can be more easily accessed than those that elicit physical pain. Moreover, to the extent that intentional social cognitive processing is required to experience others’ social, but not physical, pain, it would make sense that observing anyone in physical pain would activate pain-related neural regions, but that these same neural regions might only be engaged in response to viewing close others (but not strangers) in social pain.
 
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your personality said:
People care for the social pain of females so they are definitely capable of caring about social pain so there's no real excuse. But males are always held to higher standards and proof and accountability is always demanded of them. Btw even when guys show visible signs of physical pain and sickness if they are low status and ugly no one cares and they find it funny.
They dont do it from an empathetic standpoint they do it for social brownie points and the hopes that women will view them more favourably when they do so
 
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Subhuman Currycel said:
They dont do it from an empathetic standpoint they do it for social brownie points and the hopes that women will view them more favourably when they do so
They do it for both tbh It goes beyond liking women for their sexual appeal. But they aren't capable or willing to do either for low SMV males.
 
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soymonkcel said:
Went to 3 of them when I had depression and I found this. Fuck, of them told me that I got bullied/I was being ostracized because probably "people thought I was easy to bully". Professionals :feelssus:
They always manage to turn it into "lol its ur fault". The blame is always on the victim

ThoughtfulCel said:
It's funny how acknowledging this pain gets you pushed out of society and mocked, as if it's not valid pain.

And the funny thing is that it's purely due to gender. Had the pain we feel been a female issue there would be clinics in every town and city to solve the problem.

This kinda relates to how men being the butt of a joke is accepted but women being the butt of a joke is taboo. As a species, humans just ignore male pain and suffering
A male can never say shit about the terrible shit he has to go through every day, especially not when the perpetrators are part of some protected class (like women). The only time it's ever ok for a male to bitch is when it's a soy saying his problems are due to his personality, lack of hobbies etc, so only when it's self flagellation

CrackingYs said:
Did they compare the data between men and women? Or did they do as they typically do and average the mens and womens numbers together to conceal the fact that women do not experience any empathy or compassion and are basically faking emotions and barely register as a conscious being?
Tbh male normies are almost as bad as women when it comes to not caring about the plight of subhumans. I doubt that splitting the genders would have changed the outcome by much

FlyFace said:
That is why Suicide is so common place. It is the only way of getting rid of all the weight placed upon you for no reason. The only way the burden is lifted. It is so unfair that we should receive no reward but are required to complete all things for everyone everywhere. The only reward is Death from a world of non stop work. Death is a way of killing everybody without actually killing them. The world just goes black. You win but you also lose. It is the price of Victory.
I don't condone suicide but i totally understand why people do it. We might be powerless and unable to change shit, but we can stop the suffering any time we want. Suicide is the ultimate act of self determination

TheUltimateMarkcel said:
makes sense evolutionarily speaking

humans always lived within slmall groups of max 150 people or so. having empathy towards strangers doesnt increase your odds of survival generally speaking, and you may even be betrayed if you trust a member of another tribe, getting your tribe more easily affected by enemies of it or so

so people who had empathy towards strangers in the past simply reproduced less probably because of a variety of other factors i didnt take into account

humans are more of a tribal species than a civilization species, there are simply too much humans interconnected because of globalism, thus its unrealistic to expect empathy from a non-member of the "tribe"
Very true, our tribalism must play a major role in this.

I also think that social pain is more abstract so it's simply not as easily understood by people, whereas even dumb animals understand physical pain. Understanding the social pain of others requires some form of intellect, knowledge/prior similar experiences and maybe some self awareness
 
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I don't condone suicide but i totally understand why people do it. We might be powerless and unable to change shit, but we can stop the suffering any time we want. Suicide is the ultimate act of self determination
Power over your own life is the greatest power in the world. Some people don't get the choice or the chance to own their lives and their lives are owned by others. The Slave that takes their own life makes other Slaves think and makes the Slave Master mad. The Government and Foids in general don't want Men to die. They still need some Men in general. They just do the bare minimum which isn't enough. They however Maximize the Minimalization of all Male Struggle, which in turn feeds into the problem of Men killing themselves. They want Men that can't handle being abused to die so Men that can handle being abused are still alive. Perfect Slave Cattle. Men suddenly calling their ugly plans out makes them call you a "Misogynist" because it is the only way they can silence you.
 
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FlyFace said:
Power over your own life is the greatest power in the world. Some people don't get the choice or the chance to own their lives and their lives are owned by others. The Slave that takes their own life makes other Slaves think and makes the Slave Master mad. The Government and Foids in general don't want Men to die. They still need some Men in general. They just do the bare minimum which isn't enough. They however Maximize the Minimalization of all Male Struggle, which in turn feeds into the problem of Men killing themselves. They want Men that can't handle being abused to die so Men that can handle being abused are still alive. Perfect Slave Cattle. Men suddenly calling their ugly plans out makes them call you a "Misogynist" because it is the only way they can silence you.
Ultrabased, i will use it as copypasta.
 
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FlyFace said:
Power over your own life is the greatest power in the world. Some people don't get the choice or the chance to own their lives and their lives are owned by others. The Slave that takes their own life makes other Slaves think and makes the Slave Master mad. The Government and Foids in general don't want Men to die. They still need some Men in general. They just do the bare minimum which isn't enough. They however Maximize the Minimalization of all Male Struggle, which in turn feeds into the problem of Men killing themselves. They want Men that can't handle being abused to die so Men that can handle being abused are still alive. Perfect Slave Cattle. Men suddenly calling their ugly plans out makes them call you a "Misogynist" because it is the only way they can silence you.
We are eldians on paradis theory. The foids and normies are Marley.
 
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People will care if you suffer physical injury

but if you’re lonely they will either not care or laugh at you

but I care about all of your pain and I can only hope you all can find happiness someday

I’ll be your biggest fan cheering loudest from the bleachers
 
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ERadicator said:
Yuugure no tori plays while a slideshow of all incel men being slaves and getting abused throughout human history by the rest of the world.
 
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Gymcelled said:
You see it all the time: some lonely male dares to briefly vent or complain online about how miserable his life is and everyone acts completely apathetic if not straight up aggressive. People will constantly downplay everything he's going through. Psychiatrists will just be confused and tell him nothing’s wrong with him, everything is in his head, that he can totally live with the issues he's having.

TURNS OUT MAYBE THEY SIMPLY CANNOT CARE ON A NEUROLOGICAL LEVEL
  • Brain scans show that social pain is real and activates the very same parts of the brain as physical pain
  • This corroborates a previous study found on the wiki
  • Unlike physical pain, the social pain of others did NOT activate the parts of the brain that would suggest feelings of empathy
  • The only exception to this was with close friends, only then did people show brain activation that suggests empathy
  • Moreover, reliving social pain is much more painful that reliving physical pain.
  • SOCIAL PAIN HAUNTS YOU
  • Social exclusion INCREASES sensitivity to physical pain, social support DECREASES it. Physical and social pain are both real and they overlap, there is a shared pain circuitry

People don't care about the social hardships you go through. People will have 1000 times more empathy for a guy getting suckerpunched on worldstarthiphop than they’ll have for a social outcast and lifelong victim. It's pointless to expect sympathy/empathy from other people, don't waste your time pouring your heart out and expecting them to understand

People don’t care because they CANNOT care :blackpill:

Unless maybe they deeply love you to begin with :feelsmage:

View attachment 441179

Social pain haunts you

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"With regard to reliving pain, studies have shown that reliving socially painful experiences elicits more pain. Thus, subjects reported feeling more pain after reliving a prior episode of social pain than after reliving a prior episode of physical pain, even though there were no differences in the amount of pain experienced at the time the event originally occurred (‘initial pain’, see the figure, part a)"

People don't have empathy for the social pain of others

View attachment 441176

"Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)"

Interestingly, when it comes to observing the pain of others (empathy), the reverse pattern is observed. When observing others in physical pain, participants show increased activity in affective pain-related neural regions, such as the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex (dACC) and the anterior insula (AI) (dACC activation shown in part b of the figure), whereas these same neural responses are not present when observing others in social pain (mentalizing regions, such as the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, are present instead; see part c of the figure), unless the target of the social pain is a close friend (see part d of the figure)

Physical-social pain overlap: being a loner/outcast will physically hurt you

View attachment 441177

View attachment 441178

"Experimental manipulations of failure (which may convey that one would not be liked or accepted by others) have been shown to increase pain ratings to a cold-pressor task, a painful task that involves immersing one’s hand in ice water for extended periods of time. Similarly, experiences of social exclusion have been shown to increase physical pain sensitivity, and those who report feeling more rejected in response to exclusion report higher physical pain ratings in response to a pain stimulus delivered at the end of the exclusion episode."

"In addition to pain-enhancing effects, factors that reduce one type of painful experience should reduce the other as well. Along these lines, considerable research has shown that social support, typically associated with reduced perceptions of social harm, is related to reduced physical pain. Correlational research has demonstrated that individuals with more social support experience less pain across a number of different domains.
In addition, experimental work has demonstrated a causal effect of social support on pain. For example, viewing a picture or holding the hand of a loved one (relative to a stranger or object) leads to reductions in self-reported pain, as well as reductions in pain-related neural activity (in the dACC and AI). Thus, the perception or presence of social support, presumably indicative of a lesser likelihood of social harm, appears to reduce physical pain as well."


SergeantIncel @SergeantIncel Master @Master I think this is important to understand the dynamics between loners/outcasts/incels etc and the rest of the population

Tagging bros who might be interested in this

cvh1991 @cvh1991 ionlycopenow @ionlycopenow ReturnOfSaddam @ReturnOfSaddam LOLI BREEDING @LOLI BREEDING soymonkcel @soymonkcel Y @your personality ThoughtfulCel @ThoughtfulCel FastBananaCEO @FastBananaCEO BPJ @BPJ

LINK TO THE FULL ARTICLE AND NAME OF THE STUDY. It's a great meta analysis of the neurology of pain and social experiences

"The pain of social disconnection: examining the shared neural underpinnings of physical and social pain"

After years of experiencing this firsthand, Normalfag scientists are finally starting to recognize that my fucking pain is legitimate
 
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Benj-amin said:
After years of experiencing this firsthand, Normalfag scientists are finally starting to recognize that my fucking pain is legitimate
ngl they probably only publish this research to seem in the know and to use it as a topic of interesting conversation. They don't care if the pain of ugly males being ostracized can be backed up by science. They are just eager to formally publish it so that for their ego sake they can claim they awareness to this idea first.
 
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