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Biblical perspective on Hardmaxxing

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'Softmaxxing' - optimising physical appearance naturally
'Hardmaxxing' - undergoing surgeries or extreme physical alterations in order to change one's appearance

What does the bible say about hardmaxxing?
Aspects such as softmaxxing are beneficial biblically speaking; such as eating good, exercising, etc.
But hardmaxxing; involving physically altering how God made you is sinful.



Our bodies are temples of God, and He says that we should not alter it - especially if it is for "outward appearance". We are caretakers of God’s creation, not free to reshape it purely according to changing cultural standards.

God also teaches us to be contempt with/within ourselves. And with this modern culture pushing dissatisfaction (e.g not tall enough, not handsome enough, etc), leads us away from the biblical teachings regarding being contempt with Gods creation.

It has become the norm in society to idolise our own looks, focusing more on ourselves rather than God. So distractions such as this, I believe are anti-christ - and relating to idolisation.

Also, the self-harm category would fall under the same topic; such as voluntarily getting unnecessary procedures, and harm being caused to the body.



Some scriptures on the topic:
“Let your adorning not be external… but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart…”
— 1 Peter 3:3–4
“Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit…?”
— 1 Corinthians 6:19–20
“Be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind…”
— Romans 12:2
“Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.”
— Philippians 2:3
“Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised.”
— Proverbs 31:30


So the point I am trying to make, is that we are to accept who we are physically speaking, and that we should not alter ourselves.

And even after you do get surgeries and maximise yourself through hardmaxxing --> will it guarantee you a change worthwhile?

@thevineyardworker @The_word_made_flesh @Lo3e
 
I would personally disagree. Looks are social currency, that's it. We should not idolise ourselves or anyone beside Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Unfortunately, the way of the world is, looks will always come out on top. I've seen and been denied opportunities due to my looks and see others less qualified than me get an advantage over others due to their looks and I am talking about within the church
 
I would personally disagree. Looks are social currency, that's it. We should not idolise ourselves or anyone beside Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Unfortunately, the way of the world is, looks will always come out on top. I've seen and been denied opportunities due to my looks and see others less qualified than me get an advantage over others due to their looks and I am talking about within the church
The world may deny us of our looks, but doesn't mean that we should conform to the world's standards through unbiblical means. (romans 12:2)

If God instructs us against something, even if we are not going to benefit in a worldly aspect, I will still refrain.

And the points I mentioned:
Our bodies are temples of God, and He says that we should not alter it - especially if it is for "outward appearance". We are caretakers of God’s creation, not free to reshape it purely according to changing cultural standards.

God also teaches us to be contempt with/within ourselves. And with this modern culture pushing dissatisfaction (e.g not tall enough, not handsome enough, etc), leads us away from the biblical teachings regarding being contempt with Gods creation.

It has become the norm in society to idolise our own looks, focusing more on ourselves rather than God. So distractions such as this, I believe are anti-christ - and relating to idolisation.

Also, the self-harm category would fall under the same topic; such as voluntarily getting unnecessary procedures, and harm being caused to the body.
Of why I am against it
 
The world may deny us of our looks, but doesn't mean that we should conform to the world's standards through unbiblical means. (romans 12:2)

If God instructs us against something, even if we are not going to benefit in a worldly aspect, I will still refrain.

And the points I mentioned:

Of why I am against it
Okay, but this is the same argument people make about money. People say all money is inherently evil, and I’m not preaching some Disney gospel or prosperity gospel here. I’m just saying that calling money evil as a whole is a very low IQ statement.

It depends on what you do with it. We can all admit we’re sinners, but people struggle with different sins. The same applies to money. If God blesses you financially, what are you actually going to do with it?

That’s why I believe some people stay broke while others become rich. God knows what certain people would do with money. Some people would waste it on degeneracy, while others would use it to help people, support churches, plant churches, evangelise, or push forward something greater than themselves.

If God blesses you with income and you tithe, help your community, or invest into spreading the Gospel, then of course I believe God can continue blessing you financially.

The same even applies to looks in a way. Looks are a social currency. If God blesses someone with attractiveness or the knowledge to be beautiful than that's a gift right there

And if you want to use scripture, Christ Himself said we are to be “in the world but not of the world.” We still live in soyciety. We still interact with the world and operate within it, but this world is not our final home. Heaven is.
 
Okay, but this is the same argument people make about money. People say all money is inherently evil, and I’m not preaching some Disney gospel or prosperity gospel here. I’m just saying that calling money evil as a whole is a very low IQ statement.

It depends on what you do with it. We can all admit we’re sinners, but people struggle with different sins. The same applies to money. If God blesses you financially, what are you actually going to do with it?

That’s why I believe some people stay broke while others become rich. God knows what certain people would do with money. Some people would waste it on degeneracy, while others would use it to help people, support churches, plant churches, evangelise, or push forward something greater than themselves.

If God blesses you with income and you tithe, help your community, or invest into spreading the Gospel, then of course I believe God can continue blessing you financially.
Money is not evil, and the bible doesn't say that.
But rather the "love" of money - in regards to idolisation and putting it above God.



The same even applies to looks in a way. Looks are a social currency. If God blesses someone with attractiveness or the knowledge to be beautiful than that's a gift right there
But as a mentioned previously, it is a demonic currency - it is anti God, and anti his teachings.

If mutilating your own genitals through circumcision is the "societal norm" or "currency", then doesn't mean that we should conform to it. And like you mentioned:
we are to be “in the world but not of the world.”
So we can be in the world, but doesn't mean we should conform to society to get their benefits if it is going against scripture.
 
Money is not evil, and the bible doesn't say that.
But rather the "love" of money - in regards to idolisation and putting it above God.
Okay, so if we can agree that money isn't evil, how can you make that same correlation to looks?

Using that logic, I would personally argue that as long as you prioritise God and don't idolise yourself, it's not evil.
if mutilating your own genitals through circumcision is the "societal norm" or "currency", then doesn't mean that we should conform to it. And like you mentioned:
But people already are mutilating their genitals, that's what being a tranny is, However, people who are in that current state are very sick and need mental support.
But as a mentioned previously, it is a demonic currency - it is anti God, and anti his teachings.

So we can be in the world, but doesn't mean we should conform to society to get their benefits if it is going against scripture.
But what you're referring to in this thread is that a common verse I hear is that God made us in his image, which I would agree, but you also have to understand that his image is perfect. (fyi I know you didn't use I heard this b4)

When Christ looks down, he doesn't see any sin, despite us being sinners and horrible people. So God's image of us and him creating us in his image is perfect because he loves us. But the world sees us a lot different than that. And to say this is a demonic currency would be blowing it out of proportion.
 
Okay, so if we can agree that money isn't evil, how can you make that same correlation to looks?
First off, you cannot make the same correlation, as there are differences in scripture for each.
Changing the way God made you ≠ owning money as a currency for living.

Using that logic, I would personally argue that as long as you prioritise God and don't idolise yourself, it's not evil.
Idolisation was just one of the factors.
Altering our bodies, not being contempt, and self-harm are still relevant.

But people already are mutilating their genitals, that's what being a tranny is, However, people who are in that current state are very sick and need mental support.
Exactly, so it doesn't mean that we should conform to it.
Like you said, they are "very sick" and "need mental support" - and I will make the same claim for anyone undergoing hardmaxxing procedures.

But what you're referring to in this thread is that a common verse I hear is that God made us in his image, which I would agree, but you also have to understand that his image is perfect. (fyi I know you didn't use I heard this b4)
Exaclty - his image is perfect. We are not to alter his creation, but rather to be "contempt" with his choice.

When Christ looks down, he doesn't see any sin, despite us being sinners and horrible people. So God's image of us and him creating us in his image is perfect because he loves us. But the world sees us a lot different than that. And to say this is a demonic currency would be blowing it out of proportion.
I am unfamiliar with this scripture. God 100% sees sin on us.
 
I am unfamiliar with this scripture. God 100% sees sin on us.
Well, my interpretation would be, we are covered in the blood of Jesus. So when Christ looks down, from what I've understood is, Christ looks at us and sees Jesus. Not quite literally, but figuratively, because we're covered in Christ's blood. Therefore, he can't see any sin of us, despite the fact that the scriptures do say, like in Paul, that all have sinned and no one is righteous.
Idolisation was just one of the factors.
Altering our bodies, not being contempt, and self-harm are still relevant.

Exactly, so it doesn't mean that we should conform to it.
Like you said, they are "very sick" and "need mental support" - and I will make the same claim for anyone undergoing hardmaxxing procedures.


Exaclty - his image is perfect. We are not to alter his creation, but rather to be "contempt" with his choice.
interesting perspective, but the way I view it is, what are you going to use those looks for?

Like, if you're going to hardmax and become a degenerate, I can understand how that would be sinful.

what if you hardmax and you do that to evangelise or preach the gospel? Can you really be told as a false teacher, or are you just taking advantage of what you know about the world and psychology?
 
Like, if you're going to hardmax and become a degenerate, I can understand how that would be sinful
But even if you are doing it to be treated better by society, for the points I already mentioned, we shall not conform.

what if you hardmax and you do that to evangelise or preach the gospel? Can you really be told as a false teacher, or are you just taking advantage of what you know about the world and psychology?
Would you take drugs/alcohol to lower inhibition and improve social skills when evangelising?
 
But even if you are doing it to be treated better by society, for the points I already mentioned, we shall not conform.
Soyciety has already conformed to worldly standards outside of the Bible and outside of the Church.

1 Timothy 2:12 about women not teaching or having authority over men in the church

yet me and you both go to Pentecostal churches where there’s probably a 50/50 chance a woman gets on stage tomorrow and preaches.

And I know this is a bit off-topic and slightly ad hominem, but realistically people already pick and choose what parts of Christianity they follow based on modern social norms.

Dating apps, hypergamy, modern hookup culture, these weren’t major issues 30 years ago like they are now. Socyiety changed, and Christians in many ways have also adapted to those changes.

The same thing happened with feminism. A lot of modern churches shifted their positions because culture itself shifted. That’s why I can at least respect traditional churches for consistency, because even if I disagree with them on certain theology, at least they stay firm on their standards.

From my experience in Pentecostal spaces though, people often selectively apply things. For example, some churches will allow female pastors but then heavily condemn cosmetic surgery or other worldly things. To me, that can come across as inconsistent.

Unless, of course, you personally are against women preaching, which would at least be internally consistent with that interpretation of scripture.

And since we’ve already gone off topic, another thing I find interesting is relationships themselves. From my perspective, attraction is heavily rooted in vanity and biology whether people admit it or not. Sure, ideally I’d want someone who shares my faith and agrees with me theologically, but realistically looks, attraction, and genetics still matter massively in relationships.

so what do you look for in a relationships
Would you take drugs/alcohol to lower inhibition and improve social skills when evangelising?
It depends on return on investment. How high inhib am I? If I was high inhib, then I probably would, but I'm not that high inhib where it requires me to do that. However, I have come to church drunk before, and that was kind of embarrassing.
 
Soyciety has already conformed to worldly standards outside of the Bible and outside of the Church.



yet me and you both go to Pentecostal churches where there’s probably a 50/50 chance a woman gets on stage tomorrow and preaches.
No? Females cannot have a males role. I thought this was across all pentecostal churches? I am very suprised.

Women cannot give talks, lead choruses, or any action of leadership/authority.

From the New Testament:
1 Timothy 2:11 - "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet

If any church is practicing female pastors they are heretics and will be judged accordingly.


And I know this is a bit off-topic and slightly ad hominem, but realistically people already pick and choose what parts of Christianity they follow based on modern social norms.

Dating apps, hypergamy, modern hookup culture, these weren’t major issues 30 years ago like they are now. Socyiety changed, and Christians in many ways have also adapted to those changes.

The same thing happened with feminism. A lot of modern churches shifted their positions because culture itself shifted. That’s why I can at least respect traditional churches for consistency, because even if I disagree with them on certain theology, at least they stay firm on their standards.

From my experience in Pentecostal spaces though, people often selectively apply things. For example, some churches will allow female pastors but then heavily condemn cosmetic surgery or other worldly things. To me, that can come across as inconsistent.
I believe the church I currently go to is the only true doctrine. Although the only difference I can think of is the punishments for different sins such as Adultery in the church - as they are quite light in many areas.

Unless, of course, you personally are against women preaching, which would at least be internally consistent with that interpretation of scripture.

And since we’ve already gone off topic, another thing I find interesting is relationships themselves. From my perspective, attraction is heavily rooted in vanity and biology whether people admit it or not. Sure, ideally I’d want someone who shares my faith and agrees with me theologically, but realistically looks, attraction, and genetics still matter massively in relationships.

so what do you look for in a relationships
I look for 2 things:
1. They follow Christ
2. I want to be physically attractive to them
(almost too much to ask for in todays society haha)

It depends on return on investment. How high inhib am I? If I was high inhib, then I probably would, but I'm not that high inhib where it requires me to do that. However, I have come to church drunk before, and that was kind of embarrassing.
"love the sin, hate the sinner" kind of theme

If we are going to preach an aspect, we should practice it ourselves. Otherwise we are just hypocrites.
Such as the bible informs us not to consume intoxicating substances - so we shouldn't (regardless of circumstances).
The bible doesn't say we should sin, if we are sinning for a cause. He tells us to steer away from it entirely in the New Testament.
 
No? Females cannot have a males role. I thought this was across all pentecostal churches? I am very suprised.

Women cannot give talks, lead choruses, or any action of leadership/authority.

From the New Testament:
1 Timothy 2:11 - "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet
I am glad we agree my Pentecostal church doesn't
If any church is practicing female pastors they are heretics and will be judged accordingly.
✅
I look for 2 things:
1. They follow Christ
2. I want to be physically attractive to them
(almost too much to ask for in todays society haha)
But would your opinion change if they did any hardmaxxing procedures while they were a Christian, or if they planned to do any hardmaxxing procedures whilst you got into a relationship with them?
If we are going to preach an aspect, we should practice it ourselves. Otherwise we are just hypocrites.
Such as the bible informs us not to consume intoxicating substances - so we shouldn't (regardless of circumstances).
The bible doesn't say we should sin, if we are sinning for a cause. He tells us to steer away from it entirely in the New Testament.
When I've evangelised prior, I've never had to used those substances. If I was really high inhibition, then I possibly would use them.

But I would agree with you, using substances to do God's work is, I would agree, very counterproductive. But if you're going to a party or something like that, I completely understand. You might even be against Christians going to night outs idk
 
1) Obsessive care for your physical body is a sin
2) Who do you think you are to spit in the face of the Lord and declare that the body he gave you is not enough?
3) I'm not christian
 
I am glad we agree my Pentecostal church doesn't

✅

But would your opinion change if they did any hardmaxxing procedures while they were a Christian, or if they planned to do any hardmaxxing procedures whilst you got into a relationship with them?
Well I plan to marry a girl in my specific church denomination, or a girl from Vanuatu once I move over. Neither of them would be deluded/modernised enough to undergo procedures.

And having said that, I wouldn't even want to marry someone who has gotten their ears pierced for same reasons as mentioned above. That would be practical in Vanuatu, but I might have to lower the standard for Australia sadly. Not that anything would change if I did haha.

I also plan on marrying someone who is a lot younger than me (and they wouldn't of considered it then either). Hopefully younger than 18.

When I've evangelised prior, I've never had to used those substances. If I was really high inhibition, then I possibly would use them.

But I would agree with you, using substances to do God's work is, I would agree, very counterproductive. But if you're going to a party or something like that, I completely understand. You might even be against Christians going to night outs idk
Yes well that leads back to the point again - being in the world, but not of the world.
It is hard to go to clubs or parties and not be of the world.

And having said that, my church has stuff on every Friday night for people around my age group - but everyone has made it clear they want nothing to do with me there. So I would rather not go.
 


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Well I plan to marry a girl in my specific church denomination, or a girl from Vanuatu once I move over. Neither of them would be deluded/modernised enough to undergo procedures.

And having said that, I wouldn't even want to marry someone who has gotten their ears pierced for same reasons as mentioned above. That would be practical in Vanuatu, but I might have to lower the standard for Australia sadly. Not that anything would change if I did haha.

I also plan on marrying someone who is a lot younger than me (and they wouldn't of considered it then either). Hopefully younger than 18.
I am not agecuck but we only spoke briefly for opsec you can pm on cord but how old are you and ideally what age are you looking to date
And having said that, my church has stuff on every Friday night for people around my age group - but everyone has made it clear they want nothing to do with me there. So I would rather not go.
I can relate
 
You shall not looskmaxx
 
Well I plan to marry a girl in my specific church denomination, or a girl from Vanuatu once I move over. Neither of them would be deluded/modernised enough to undergo procedures.
WTF? Fakecels.is
 
Well I plan to marry a girl in my specific church denomination, or a girl from Vanuatu once I move over. Neither of them would be deluded/modernised enough to undergo procedures.

And having said that, I wouldn't even want to marry someone who has gotten their ears pierced for same reasons as mentioned above. That would be practical in Vanuatu, but I might have to lower the standard for Australia sadly. Not that anything would change if I did haha.

I also plan on marrying someone who is a lot younger than me (and they wouldn't have considered it then either). Hopefully younger than 18.
i agree with your points and looksmaxxing is a prideful path but are you actually getting married? You are not an incel.
 
'Softmaxxing' - optimising physical appearance naturally
'Hardmaxxing' - undergoing surgeries or extreme physical alterations in order to change one's appearance


Aspects such as softmaxxing are beneficial biblically speaking; such as eating good, exercising, etc.
But hardmaxxing; involving physically altering how God made you is sinful.



Our bodies are temples of God, and He says that we should not alter it - especially if it is for "outward appearance". We are caretakers of God’s creation, not free to reshape it purely according to changing cultural standards.

God also teaches us to be contempt with/within ourselves. And with this modern culture pushing dissatisfaction (e.g not tall enough, not handsome enough, etc), leads us away from the biblical teachings regarding being contempt with Gods creation.

It has become the norm in society to idolise our own looks, focusing more on ourselves rather than God. So distractions such as this, I believe are anti-christ - and relating to idolisation.

Also, the self-harm category would fall under the same topic; such as voluntarily getting unnecessary procedures, and harm being caused to the body.



Some scriptures on the topic:







So the point I am trying to make, is that we are to accept who we are physically speaking, and that we should not alter ourselves.

And even after you do get surgeries and maximise yourself through hardmaxxing --> will it guarantee you a change worthwhile?

@thevineyardworker @The_word_made_flesh @Lo3e
I agree excessive body building along with excessive tattoo'ing can be narcissistic for sure.

However especially for those and myself included on the autism spectrum . Because out central nervous systems and metabolisms are so jacked up we fail often to make mucsle . I think almost as PT working out can be healthy .
 
I agree excessive body building along with excessive tattoo'ing can be narcissistic for sure.

However especially for those and myself included on the autism spectrum . Because out central nervous systems and metabolisms are so jacked up we fail often to make mucsle . I think almost as PT working out can be healthy .
Well I am not against working out, but if we start to take steroids or other factors to influence our growth that is where I see the issue arise.

But yes I was generally just referring to undergoing surgeries in the post, as it is very common nowadays for people to have facial reconstructions.
 
@DoomThreeKoala is this allowed here?
I think so. If it actually happens then he'll be perma'd.
Don't worry, I have a year or so before I move - and that is not a certainty anyways.
And having said that, it isn't a certainty that I will find a Vanuatu girl there who is attractive and willing to marry me either, as JBW is mattering less and less with the product of westernisation. Every time I go over there I see the average looking guy becoming better looking. Quite sad actually.

In foresight nothing even happens so I might just finish off my degree in Australia
 
Why wouldn't I be allowed to discuss ascension plans kek
Because this is an incel forum (INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE) you are voluntarily celibate and making set plans to not be an incel so is its sketch
 
Don't worry, I have a year or so before I move - and that is not a certainty anyways.
And having said that, it isn't a certainty that I will find a Vanuatu girl there who is attractive and willing to marry me either, as JBW is mattering less and less with the product of westernisation. Every time I go over there I see the average looking guy becoming better looking. Quite sad actually.

In foresight nothing even happens so I might just finish off my degree in Australia
Geomaxxing is harder and harder with every passing day, I made a thread about this but more in regards to Thailand/ SEA
 
Because this is an incel forum (INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE) you are voluntarily celibate and making set plans to not be an incel so is its sketch
But I am involuntarily celibate, How on earth am I volcel? I said I will be planning on geomaxxing by the start of next year.

By that same logic everyone is volcel if they can afford a plane ticket.
 
Geomaxxing is harder and harder with every passing day, I made a thread about this but more in regards to Thailand/ SEA
Thailand is not a good place for it nowadays. I've made a fair few threads on geomaxxing as well. Both domestically and internationally:
 
But I am involuntarily celibate, How on earth am I volcel? I said I will be planning on geomaxxing by the start of next year.

By that same logic everyone is volcel if they can afford a plane ticket.
I got my eye on you. Preparations of ascending is more suited to looksmaxx forums. Perhaps you’ll feel more comfortable there..
 
I got my eye on you.
Nigger you joined yesterday. F off.

Preparations of ascending is more suited to looksmaxx forums. Perhaps you’ll feel more comfortable there..
I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. I have maximised improve my looks in the past, yet nothing had changed.
There are many of users on here who plan to geomax.

And I have an account on .org, it is one of the worst places I have ever been. I can't even comment without getting bombarded by hate messages and normiefag insults.
 
Don't worry, I have a year or so before I move - and that is not a certainty anyways.
And having said that, it isn't a certainty that I will find a Vanuatu girl there who is attractive and willing to marry me either, as JBW is mattering less and less with the product of westernisation. Every time I go over there I see the average looking guy becoming better looking. Quite sad actually.

In foresight nothing even happens so I might just finish off my degree in Australia
@deleted dude the “only good white” you claim is an acctual fakecel
 
He’s already on the mods radar for planning to get a wife.
You've got to be joking at this point, we are on .is because we are involuntarily celibate. What is the issue mate?
 
He’s already on the mods radar for planning to get a wife.
We should all aspire to have one. Perhaps he cna get one if he moneymaxxes and takes a poor religious girl from a poor shit nation. Most here could. I have even seen 2/10's on YT do that with some asian chickas
 
We should all aspire to have one. Perhaps he cna get one if he moneymaxxes and takes a poor religious girl from a poor shit nation. Most here could. I have even seen 2/10's on YT do that with some asian chickas
Then he will be banned if he does
 
You've got to be joking at this point, we are on .is because we are involuntarily celibate. What is the issue mate?
He's acting like you already have a wife lined up imo
 
Over 80% on this forum could easily get a foreign chick and be a betabuxx if they aspire not to be neets
I'd say 99% haha. If they have more than $500 they an fly over seas and marry one of the unwesternised girls
 

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