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People on other places like to claim (likely to boost their numbers) that other groups in the manosphere that aren't PUAs (MRA, mgtow, any pro male masculinist type ideology) are potential allies.
This is a bad point for a few reasons.
1. A lot of these groups are made of older demographics that have had some amount of luck with women before (and for those that say that experience is not a lot, it's still more than most incels and truecels have). Therefore we just can't relate to them. When they talk about an ex girlfriend or ex wife, who here can even relate to that when they haven't even had a kiss from a woman?
2. These groups are unwilling to acknowledge that there are factors out of one's control that you just can't change or cope with. In this way they are much like other normies. There's no discussion to be had with people that refuse to admit that some guys are out of options and nothing will help them move past this.
3. They cope way too much with the importance of status, money or having dark triad traits in attracting women. There is by now ample evidence that this isn't true. They won't believe it no matter how much you show it to them. So no further discussion or points of agreement can be had. This is non negotiable.
But instead of being antagonistic IMO the best approach is that simply they are irrelevant to us and we are irrelevant to them as far as the blackpill and blackpill discussions are concerned.
The most important part about the blackpill is the importance of looks. If someone disagrees and claims status, money or some type of personality is more important, then there can't be any further discussions to be put forth. You will simply by arguing with them or trying to work your way around their belief that status, money or personality type is most important in order to state your points. It doesn't work.
There is no ""redpill" groups are becoming/being forced to become more blackpill". This is true even if redpill groups are falsely associated with blackpilled incels. Because these redpill groups have demonstrated that they still hold that status, money and personality type are more important than looks. Therefore they are still redpilled and not becoming more blackpilled. The redpill and blackpill are fundamentally at odds and so are the respective communities.
@Lebensmüder @Copexodius Maximus @Gymcelled @SlayerSlayer @AAAAAAAAAAAcel
This is a bad point for a few reasons.
1. A lot of these groups are made of older demographics that have had some amount of luck with women before (and for those that say that experience is not a lot, it's still more than most incels and truecels have). Therefore we just can't relate to them. When they talk about an ex girlfriend or ex wife, who here can even relate to that when they haven't even had a kiss from a woman?
2. These groups are unwilling to acknowledge that there are factors out of one's control that you just can't change or cope with. In this way they are much like other normies. There's no discussion to be had with people that refuse to admit that some guys are out of options and nothing will help them move past this.
3. They cope way too much with the importance of status, money or having dark triad traits in attracting women. There is by now ample evidence that this isn't true. They won't believe it no matter how much you show it to them. So no further discussion or points of agreement can be had. This is non negotiable.
But instead of being antagonistic IMO the best approach is that simply they are irrelevant to us and we are irrelevant to them as far as the blackpill and blackpill discussions are concerned.
The most important part about the blackpill is the importance of looks. If someone disagrees and claims status, money or some type of personality is more important, then there can't be any further discussions to be put forth. You will simply by arguing with them or trying to work your way around their belief that status, money or personality type is most important in order to state your points. It doesn't work.
There is no ""redpill" groups are becoming/being forced to become more blackpill". This is true even if redpill groups are falsely associated with blackpilled incels. Because these redpill groups have demonstrated that they still hold that status, money and personality type are more important than looks. Therefore they are still redpilled and not becoming more blackpilled. The redpill and blackpill are fundamentally at odds and so are the respective communities.
@Lebensmüder @Copexodius Maximus @Gymcelled @SlayerSlayer @AAAAAAAAAAAcel
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