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People on other places like to claim (likely to boost their numbers) that other groups in the manosphere that aren't PUAs (MRA, mgtow, any pro male masculinist type ideology) are potential allies.

This is a bad point for a few reasons.

1. A lot of these groups are made of older demographics that have had some amount of luck with women before (and for those that say that experience is not a lot, it's still more than most incels and truecels have). Therefore we just can't relate to them. When they talk about an ex girlfriend or ex wife, who here can even relate to that when they haven't even had a kiss from a woman?

2. These groups are unwilling to acknowledge that there are factors out of one's control that you just can't change or cope with. In this way they are much like other normies. There's no discussion to be had with people that refuse to admit that some guys are out of options and nothing will help them move past this.

3. They cope way too much with the importance of status, money or having dark triad traits in attracting women. There is by now ample evidence that this isn't true. They won't believe it no matter how much you show it to them. So no further discussion or points of agreement can be had. This is non negotiable.


But instead of being antagonistic IMO the best approach is that simply they are irrelevant to us and we are irrelevant to them as far as the blackpill and blackpill discussions are concerned.

The most important part about the blackpill is the importance of looks. If someone disagrees and claims status, money or some type of personality is more important, then there can't be any further discussions to be put forth. You will simply by arguing with them or trying to work your way around their belief that status, money or personality type is most important in order to state your points. It doesn't work.

There is no ""redpill" groups are becoming/being forced to become more blackpill". This is true even if redpill groups are falsely associated with blackpilled incels. Because these redpill groups have demonstrated that they still hold that status, money and personality type are more important than looks. Therefore they are still redpilled and not becoming more blackpilled. The redpill and blackpill are fundamentally at odds and so are the respective communities.

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Even members of this forum are often redpilled. They think that the money is important. :blackpill:
 
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manosphere is dying
 
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thevenon said:
Even members of this forum are often redpilled. They think that the money is important. :blackpill:
And it needs to stop. They are trying to compromise fundamental beliefs in order to grow the ranks of the blackpill, not realizing they will water down the very definition and compromise on a lot of the elements that make the blackpill different from the other outlooks on sociosexual theory.
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At first I thought no but now I really think that manosphere and this whole subculture is dying
Because they refuse to acknowledge the importance of looks, they are of an older generation before widespread dating apps, they tend not to be ethnic (jbw heavily boosts them even if they don't get very good results in dating) and they like any other normies don't won't to admit that there are factors out of guy's control that can forever cause them to be low SMV that can't be fixed in any way. They see it as "defeatist" even if you try not to force those views. There is no compromise. The blackpill is its own separate thing from redpill groups and always will be no matter how much the redpill is associated with blackpilled incels, as long as the people in redpill groups keep insisting that status, money and personality type are the most important factors in attracting women.

That goes for even more neutral MRA related offshoots or branches. They are still more redpilled in terms of how they view things in the traditional "LMS" way instead of seeing that it's just all about looks and intrinsically unchangeable characteristics.

The redpill and blackpill will split despite efforts by the opposition to falsely associate them with each other. Even the language blackpillers use is increasingly diverging from redpillers. Don't buy the media's narrative that redpillers are getting blackpilled.
 
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The harsh truth is, not even most incels are on incels' side. When push comes to shove, the vast majority of men will simp for women against their fellow men for a chance of pussy, just like Ryo wrote in his legendary thread I always refer to.

Also, I find it sad how now with the bubbles internet form, it's mostly people who agree with each other about 90%+ of things infighting because of <10% disagreement instead of uniting to focus on fighting against the main enemies.
 
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Alex Grace kinda agreed with the incel theses, and so does Sandman and other MSTOWs
 
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The harsh truth is, not even most incels are on incels' side. When push comes to shove, the vast majority of men will simp for women against their fellow men for a chance of pussy, just like Ryo wrote in his legendary thread I always refer to.

Also, I find it sad how now with the bubbles internet form, it's mostly people who agree with each other about 90%+ of things infighting because of <10% disagreement instead of uniting to focus on fighting against the main enemies.
It's not a minor disagreement. The importance of looks being the most important to attracting women is fundamental to the blackpill and theories rooted in the blackpill. Denying that it's the most important thing is not a trivial thing.
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Alex Grace kinda agreed with the incel theses, and so does Sandman and other MSTOWs
They don't. They might acknowledge looks are important but they don't think it's the most important factor. They still think status, money and darktriad behavior is just as important, making them still redpilled.
 
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It's not a minor disagreement. The importance of looks is fundamental to the blackpill. Denying that it's the most important thing is not a trivial thing.

They don't. They might acknowledge looks are important but they don't think it's the most important factor. They still think status, money and darktriad behavior is just as important, making them still redpilled.
I said kinda, cant u read?
 
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I said kinda, cant u read?
"Kinda" isn't the same as completely. They agree on parts about looks being more important than previously thought but they still don't believe that looks are the most important factor. And people in those communities certainly don't believe looks and intrinsic genetic characteristics are the most important factors to attracting women.
 
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"Kinda" isn't the same as completely. They agree on parts about looks being more important than previously thought but they still don't believe that looks are the most important factor. And people in those communities certainly don't believe looks and intrinsic genetic characteristics are the most important factors to attracting women.
But thats y i said "kinda" and not "completely" lmfao.
 
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AlphaCentauri said:
But thats y i said "kinda" and not "completely" lmfao.
Incel theses all revolve around the idea that looks are the most important factor in attracting women. They don't even "kinda" agree with that. They still think that status, money and the correct amount of low inhib darktriad behavior can make up for a lack of looks in most cases.

The only mstow that fully agreed with the blackpill more or less has been Thinking Ape (Stardusk).
 
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manosphere is dying
The manosphere has always been dead, it was nothing more than an astroturfed grift meant to appeal to normies with basic insecurities.

Most of them simply grew the fuck up and stopped listening to cringe PUA idiots, while we've remained constant in our message the whole time.

The blackpill never shifts or changes because it's the truth, the 'redpill' always changes and adapts to fit the new grift.

Word to the wise? Fuck the manosphere and all the chadlite grifters who led it, we're better off without them
 
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MGTOW is a bunch of fakecels, they say true things about marriage, false rape accusations, but I can't support a group of fakecels
 
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0Energy0Happyness said:
manosphere is dying
Yes, cause boomers and gen x are dying out.


your personality said:
People on other places like to claim (likely to boost their numbers) that other groups in the manosphere that aren't PUAs (MRA, mgtow, any pro male masculinist type ideology) are potential allies.

This is a bad point for a few reasons.

1. A lot of these groups are made of older demographics that have had some amount of luck with women before (and for those that say that experience is not a lot, it's still more than most incels and truecels have). Therefore we just can't relate to them. When they talk about an ex girlfriend or ex wife, who here can even relate to that when they haven't even had a kiss from a woman?

2. These groups are unwilling to acknowledge that there are factors out of one's control that you just can't change or cope with. In this way they are much like other normies. There's no discussion to be had with people that refuse to admit that some guys are out of options and nothing will help them move past this.

3. They cope way too much with the importance of status, money or having dark triad traits in attracting women. There is by now ample evidence that this isn't true. They won't believe it no matter how much you show it to them. So no further discussion or points of agreement can be had. This is non negotiable.


But instead of being antagonistic IMO the best approach is that simply they are irrelevant to us and we are irrelevant to them as far as the blackpill and blackpill discussions are concerned.

The most important part about the blackpill is the importance of looks. If someone disagrees and claims status, money or some type of personality is more important, then there can't be any further discussions to be put forth. You will simply by arguing with them or trying to work your way around their belief that status, money or personality type is most important in order to state your points. It doesn't work.

There is no ""redpill" groups are becoming/being forced to become more blackpill". This is true even if redpill groups are falsely associated with blackpilled incels. Because these redpill groups have demonstrated that they still hold that status, money and personality type are more important than looks. Therefore they are still redpilled and not becoming more blackpilled. The redpill and blackpill are fundamentally at odds and so are the respective communities.

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There are some famous mgtow people that are blackpilled, like sandman. He acknowledges that inceldom is a bigger problem among the younger generations, and that he only got with the women he did because of his looks (although he looksmaxed by gym maxing).
 
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Copexodius Maximus said:
Yes, cause boomers and gen x are dying out.
And also because less men are getting married and the redpill applies more to men that have had relationships and marriages before.
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There are some famous mgtow people that are blackpilled, like sandman. He acknowledges that inceldom is a bigger problem among the younger generations, and that he only got with the women he did because of his looks (although he looksmaxed by gym maxing).
sandman only goes where he thinks the money is like any other youtube content creator. He still mostly makes streams about redpill concepts.
 
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Copexodius Maximus said:
There are some famous mgtow people that are blackpilled, like sandman. He acknowledges that inceldom is a bigger problem among the younger generations, and that he only got with the women he did because of his looks (although he looksmaxed by gym maxing).
Sometimes people live in different realities, the redpill is accurate for normalfags (which barely make the cut nowadays without gymmaxxing/leanmaxxing/low-inhib-maxxing) while the black pill is for everyone below. They are only fundamentally at odds because boomertards are far too slow to recognise that the world has changed, fathers in particular often still think that there are no women on the Internet and that Dating Apps are utterly irrelevant - nothing could be further away from the truth.
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People on other places like to claim (likely to boost their numbers) that other groups in the manosphere that aren't PUAs (MRA, mgtow, any pro male masculinist type ideology) are potential allies.

This is a bad point for a few reasons.

1. A lot of these groups are made of older demographics that have had some amount of luck with women before (and for those that say that experience is not a lot, it's still more than most incels and truecels have). Therefore we just can't relate to them. When they talk about an ex girlfriend or ex wife, who here can even relate to that when they haven't even had a kiss from a woman?

2. These groups are unwilling to acknowledge that there are factors out of one's control that you just can't change or cope with. In this way they are much like other normies. There's no discussion to be had with people that refuse to admit that some guys are out of options and nothing will help them move past this.

3. They cope way too much with the importance of status, money or having dark triad traits in attracting women. There is by now ample evidence that this isn't true. They won't believe it no matter how much you show it to them. So no further discussion or points of agreement can be had. This is non negotiable.


But instead of being antagonistic IMO the best approach is that simply they are irrelevant to us and we are irrelevant to them as far as the blackpill and blackpill discussions are concerned.

The most important part about the blackpill is the importance of looks. If someone disagrees and claims status, money or some type of personality is more important, then there can't be any further discussions to be put forth. You will simply by arguing with them or trying to work your way around their belief that status, money or personality type is most important in order to state your points. It doesn't work.

There is no ""redpill" groups are becoming/being forced to become more blackpill". This is true even if redpill groups are falsely associated with blackpilled incels. Because these redpill groups have demonstrated that they still hold that status, money and personality type are more important than looks. Therefore they are still redpilled and not becoming more blackpilled. The redpill and blackpill are fundamentally at odds and so are the respective communities.

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Many accurate points.
 
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Many accurate points.
It's also a major thing to admit that looks and genetic factors that are inherent are the biggest factors in attracting women. It's no no small point of disagreement when others will disagree that looks are the most important thing.

Say you were to propose (like a lot of people here are) that you need to get a lot of people on your side to change things. If they believe redpill things like "you can significantly increase your SMV by working out", "you can live without the approval and validation of women" then it's no use having them on your side if you are trying to do things to lessen the pressure put on low SMV males.

They just won't understand it or think you can just ignore it. Try talking to anyone in these other antifeminist groups and they genuinely just don't get it. They think social media can easily be ignored, that women will one day "regret" chasing chads and that as long as you keep your head down and succeed at an individual level you can make it past the odds. They call anything else beside this "defeatism" and fatalistic and start shaming you with remarks like "you sound like an incel" just for you admitting that there are many factors out of guy's control like race, height and past history of bullied that make it impossible for everyone to succeed in the environment that is here today.

People here want to say "don't alienate potential allies or people that can be used to spread the blackpill" but they aren't allies at all nor are their ideologies compatible with genetic determinism and focus on looks in the blackpill. They are groups that have nothing to do with the blackpill. There's such a thing as implicitly buying into media narratives and this is an example of that. The media has repeatedly falsely associated redpill outlook antifeminist groups with genetic determinist blackpill incels and tried to act like those groups all share the same goals and ideas. That couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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Who gives a fuck about the "manosphere"? Nobody gives a single wet fart about you and neither should you them.
 
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And also because less men are getting married and the redpill applies more to men that have had relationships and marriages before.

sandman only goes where he thinks the money is like any other youtube content creator. He still mostly makes streams about redpill concepts.
I disagree, sandman is a pretty honest person. He has another job already, and calls out his own viewers who call themselves mgtow but are actually incels.
 
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Who gives a fuck about the "manosphere"? Nobody gives a single wet fart about you and neither should you them.
Many people here keep talking about how the redpill is dying and the redpillers are becoming more blackpilled. That isn't the situation at all. The people in the redpill at this point simply can't relate to the blackpill. It is its own separate thing at this point.

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I disagree, sandman is a pretty honest person. He has another job already, and calls out his own viewers who call themselves mgtow but are actually incels.
He doesn't even have a good reputation on mgtow communities compared to other content creators like bar bar, Thinking Ape, huMAN, happy humble hermit and sunrise hoodie.

He also does any topic in return for donations. He's only considered credible or honest with the beginner people that discovered mgtow and think all of what he is saying is stunningly new information.

And just because you have another job already doesn't mean you can't grift. All these people making daily videos in return for donations aren't to be trusted and will say anything sounding "based" or politically incorrect about females if you pay them. It's a scam. Notice that all these people came about when youtube videos starting getting monetized.
 
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He doesn't even have a good reputation on mgtow communities compared to other content creators like bar bar, Thinking Ape, huMAN, happy humble hermit and sunrise hoodie.

He also does any topic in return for donations. He's only considered credible or honest with the beginner people that discovered mgtow and think all of what he is saying is stunningly new information.

And just because you have another job already doesn't mean you can't grift. All these people making daily videos in return for donations aren't to be trusted and will say anything sounding "based" or politically incorrect about females if you pay them. It's a scam. Notice that all these people came about when youtube videos starting getting monetized.
Bro, I’ve been in the mgtow communities before coping. Sandman is probably the king of the mgtows on youtube, just like faceandlms is for incels. I know all the other mgtow channels you named as well and they make good videos, but even they would say sandman is one of the most respected, if not most.

Just look at his latest video, how is anything in this video grifting? He’s calling out incels who are coping as mgtow and is very blackpilled. He even said by 2030 50% of males will be incels.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Fpfs-0HXs
 
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Bro, I’ve been in the mgtow communities before coping. Sandman is probably the king of the mgtows on youtube, just like faceandlms is for incels. I know all the other mgtow channels you named as well and they make good videos, but even they would say sandman is one of the most respected, if not most.
Not true tbh Thinking Ape doesn't like Sandman and think he makes really simplistic pointless videos.
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Just look at his latest video, how is anything in this video grifting? He’s calling out incels who are coping as mgtow and is very blackpilled. He even said by 2030 50% of males will be incels.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Fpfs-0HXs
He is saying what he was paid to say or what he thinks people want him to say. Have you seen the video descriptions under his videos? He says to send him donations about what his next topic will be about. Don't trust any youtube content creators that rely on donations or monetization.
 
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Not true tbh Thinking Ape doesn't like Sandman and think he makes really simplistic pointless videos.

He is saying what he was paid to say or what he thinks people want him to say. Have you seen the video descriptions under his videos? He says to send him donations about what his next topic will be about. Don't trust any youtube content creators that rely on donations or monetization.
Isn’t thinking ape just stardusk’s new name? Him and sandman are good friends last I heard.

Also, he’s not being paid on what to say, he’s paid to give his opinions in a topic. People pay him because they respect his opinion and want to know what he has to say about a subject. He still makes videos sometimes if he gets no donations at the time. He simply does this so you get priority because he gets way too many recommendations otherwise. Also, there’s nothing wrong with getting money if people enjoy your content, it’s only bad if your content is affected by the money. Sandman clearly doesn’t have this issue, most of his opinions are the same as when he made videos in 2015. In fact, he’s become more blackpilled, more anti woman, and more critical.

He’s pretty open minded, hence why he was able to accept the blackpill while many others are coping and say incels are a psyop. Here’s a video he made with incelmatics and with faceandlms coming later on as well.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M39vpYQL3ps&t=88s
 
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Isn’t thinking ape just stardusk’s new name? Him and sandman are good friends last I heard.
Yeah Thinking Ape is Stardusk's new name but they aren't on good terms. Thinking Ape doesn't even talk with Sandman even now.
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Also, he’s not being paid on what to say, he’s paid to give his opinions in a topic. People pay him because they respect his opinion and want to know what he has to say about a subject. He still makes videos sometimes if he gets no donations at the time. He simply does this so you get priority because he gets way too many recommendations otherwise. Also, there’s nothing wrong with getting money if people enjoy your content, it’s only bad if your content is affected by the money. Sandman clearly doesn’t have this issue, most of his opinions are the same as when he made videos in 2015. In fact, he’s become more blackpilled, more anti woman, and more critical.
Has he really or is he just playing to his audience? You can't trust completely people when you know there is an incentive for them to make money in mind.
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He’s pretty open minded, hence why he was able to accept the blackpill while many others are coping and say incels are a psyop. Here’s a video he made with incelmatics and with faceandlms coming later on as well.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M39vpYQL3ps&t=88s
More likely Sandman just believes he can grow his audience by pandering to those that watch incelmatics and faceandlms. All that is that those channels have a bigger audience than traditional redpill channels. Again be more discerning. If someone largely makes videos because of donations and with stock photo thumbnails meant to provoke and catch attention, more likely than anything else they are trying to grow their audience using very low effort hacks and will endorse any seemingly "hateful" or "controversial" view about women if it gets them clicks.

Sandman has said in the past that he needs money to keep making videos. Never trust these people. They go where the money is.
 
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Yeah Thinking Ape is Stardusk's new name but they aren't on good terms. Thinking Ape doesn't even talk with Sandman even now.

Has he really or is he just playing to his audience? You can't trust completely people when you know there is an incentive for them to make money in mind.

More likely Sandman just believes he can grow his audience by pandering to those that watch incelmatics and faceandlms. All that is that those channels have a bigger audience than traditional redpill channels. Again be more discerning. If someone largely makes videos because of donations and with stock photo thumbnails meant to provoke and catch attention, more likely than anything else they are trying to grow their audience using very low effort hacks and will endorse any seemingly "hateful" or "controversial" view about women if it gets them clicks.

Sandman has said in the past that he needs money to keep making videos. Never trust these people. They go where the money is.
What are you talking about dude? Sandman has a bigger audience than every incel channel combined. Mgtow redpill isn’t the same thing as the pua cope redpill 2.0 cope. You have literally not given a single criticism of sandman other than saying he’s getting money for his work by his viewers. You have to see if his views have changed significantly over the years, and they have only become more stern and more blackpilled tbh.
 
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What are you talking about dude? Sandman has a bigger audience than every incel channel combined. Mgtow redpill isn’t the same thing as the pua cope redpill 2.0 cope. You have literally not given a single criticism of sandman other than saying he’s getting money for his work by his viewers. You have to see if his views have changed significantly over the years, and they have only become more stern and more blackpilled tbh.
The first video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Fpfs-0HXs has redpilled comments about "you are better off without women" and "don't get married" (as if all relationships involve marriage).

Somebody saying that you "were forced to go your own way" (4:10) isn't blackpilled. Redpilled people have said that forever about guys that can't get any play and so need to give up.

6:05 saying sexbots will lead to women becoming obsolete = redpill cope

7:48 they thought they would be as wealthy as he (Tim Poole) would be someday and women would be throwing themselves at them = redpill cope

7:56 women don't like Tim Poole because they "believe in gender equality" (this is extremely bluepilled to think)

8:12 women don't want to be with a man that works 26 hours a day (redpilled cope, not a problem for chad)

9:30 to 9:40: pure cope (you are wise for your age, wise people learn from the mistakes of others, you are smart to stay away from women even if it wasn't your choice)

11:15 to 11:20 "I'm one of the beautiful ones" genetic deadend cope

The second video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M39vpYQL3ps again has coping comments as the top comments
This is the grief cycle. Blue pill is denial Red pill is rage PUA is bargaining Black pill is depression MGTOW is acceptance Just walk away and work on what makes you happy
The cure for inceldom is to get a girlfriend. Live with her 6 months and watch your life turn into a nightmare. Everything that used to be simple and easy and straightforward will turn into a mess, drama, chaos, screaming, crying. Then ditch her and never look back. If you have the balls. If the chemistry hasn't entraped you.
 
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Many people here keep talking about how the redpill is dying and the redpillers are becoming more blackpilled. That isn't the situation at all. The people in the redpill at this point simply can't relate to the blackpill. It is its own separate thing at this point.
There are two groups of red pillers.

There are those who have the potential (genetics) to looksmaxx (traditional way through lifting, fashion etc., not surgery) and statusmaxx to ascend with - if they're lucky - a 25 year old 8/10 and above, or at worst, a post wall, post CC, 35 year old career roastie without any kids. This group is highly likely to never get black pilled.

Then there are the red pillers for whom there is zero potential. For these guys it's completely over, but they just know it yet. They keep trying and trying, and failing and failing. They eventually give up and try to find explanations for why nothing is working for them. If they are fortunate, they will stumble upon the black pill and all of the pieces will slowly start to fit and form the bigger picture. Then they go through the stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance). Depending on the strength of their will and personality (the few times it matters KEK), they either get stuck at one or more of those stages and possibly an hero, or they move on and learn to cope for the long term.
 
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There are two groups of red pillers.

There are those who have the potential (genetics) to looksmaxx (traditional way through lifting, fashion etc., not surgery) and statusmaxx to ascend with - if they're lucky - a 25 year old 8/10 and above, or at worst, a post wall l, post CC, 35 year old career roastie without any kids. This group is highly likely to never get black pilled.
Yeah and that's most redpillers nowadays aside from men who have repeatedly gotten divorced.

The guys with one or two or no relationships that were overall not successful that claim they aren't of that mold are coping through surrogates (anime waifus, AI, sexbots) that will never be here fully within their lifetime.
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Then there are the red pillers for whom there is zero potential. For these guys it's completely over, but they just know it yet. They keep trying and trying, and failing and failing. They eventually give up and try to find explanations for why nothing is working for them. If they are fortunate, they will stumble upon the black pill and all of the pieces will slowly start to fit and form the bigger picture. Then they go through the stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance). Depending on the strength of their will and personality (the few times it matters KEK), they either get stuck at one or more of those stages and possibly an hero, or they move on and learn to cope for the long term.
Those guys end up thinking it was their choice to go it alone and that if they had enough status, money and a darktriad badboy personality they would be slaying. So they still aren't blackpilled. They may be coping but anyone bluepilled, redpilled or even blackpilled can cope.
 
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The first video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Fpfs-0HXs has redpilled comments about "you are better off without women" and "don't get married" (as if all relationships involve marriage).

Somebody saying that you "were forced to go your own way" (4:10) isn't blackpilled. Redpilled people have said that forever about guys that can't get any play and so need to give up.

6:05 saying sexbots will lead to women becoming obsolete = redpill cope

7:48 they thought they would be as wealthy as he (Tim Poole) would be someday and women would be throwing themselves at them = redpill cope

7:56 women don't like Tim Poole because they "believe in gender equality" (this is extremely bluepilled to think)

8:12 women don't want to be with a man that works 26 hours a day (redpilled cope, not a problem for chad)

9:30 to 9:40: pure cope (you are wise for your age, wise people learn from the mistakes of others, you are smart to stay away from women even if it wasn't your choice)

11:15 to 11:20 "I'm one of the beautiful ones" genetic deadend cope

The second video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M39vpYQL3ps again has coping comments as the top comments
Many mgtow aren’t monks, they just pump and dump.

You were forced to go your own way is blackpilled, even if it came from redpillers before. This is a line most famously said by saint hamudi about incels coping with mgtow.

Sexbots isn’t a cope. He’s right about males having less power in modern society because women can work as well and many of our jobs have been taken by machines. You clearly missed how he talked about how technology can fuck up both male and female smv.

You clearly missed the point of the tim pool argument. He was mocking tim pool for being ugly, and talking about the reasons tim pool claims he isnt married.

Most normies will have to use money or other things to get women, that’s just a fact of life. And you didn’t even understand what he was talking about, you are just picking our random parts of the video that don’t prove your point at all.

Learning from the mistakes of others is wise, but it usually doesnt stick as hard as it does when it’s something you learn from personal experience. Think about all the people here who are blackpilled, most will throw it all away to get with a woman that they think likes them.
 
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Copexodius Maximus said:
Many mgtow aren’t monks, they just pump and dump.
Most of them are divorced men or men that had one or two relationships with women that didn't work out and felt they were being exploited. They don't pump and dump. They see prostitutes.
Copexodius Maximus said:
You were forced to go your own way is blackpilled, even if it came from redpillers before. This is a line most famously said by saint hamudi about incels coping with mgtow.
Any bluepiller can say that too. Does that mean they are blackpilled?
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Sexbots isn’t a cope. He’s right about males having less power in modern society because women can work as well and many of our jobs have been taken by machines. You clearly missed how he talked about how technology can fuck up both male and female smv.
I paid attention to what he said about how technology can fuck up both male and female smv. But he's way too optimistic about technology being able to correct this. It's similar to the coping in the redpilled misandry bubble essay about how technology will eventually free men and that feminism "freed" men.
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You clearly missed the point of the tim pool argument. He was mocking tim pool for being ugly, and talking about the reasons tim pool claims he isnt married.
He wasn't just mocking Tim Pool for being bald. He was implying that "incels" that are in the position Tim Pool is but without status are possibly also there because they want a traditional woman but women want to be strong and independent. That's again a classic redpill argument.
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Most normies will have to use money or other things to get women, that’s just a fact of life. And you didn’t even understand what he was talking about, you are just picking our random parts of the video that don’t prove your point at all.
It's not picking out random parts. The parts I showed clearly go against the blackpill and are full of redpill cope about money, status and women's attitudes about strong and empowered having a bigger effect than looks.
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Learning from the mistakes of others is wise, but it usually doesnt stick as hard as it does when it’s something you learn from personal experience. Think about all the people here who are blackpilled, most will throw it all away to get with a woman that they think likes them.
People here won't throw it away because they aren't trying to stay away from women and hold on to some forbidden knowledge and celibacy. They are sexless against their will and want to lose their virginity and be in a relationship with a woman.
 
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Most of them are divorced men. They don't pump and dump. They see prostitutes.

Any bluepiller can say that too. Does that mean they are blackpilled?

I paid attention to what he said about how technology can fuck up both male and female smv. But he's way too optimistic about technology being able to correct this. It's similar to the coping in the redpilled misandry bubble essay about how technology will eventually free men and that feminism "freed" men.

He wasn't just mocking Tim Pool for being bald. He was implying that "incels" that are in the position Tim Pool is but without status are possibly also there because they want a traditional woman but women want to be strong and independent. That's again a classic redpill argument.

It's not picking out random parts. The parts I showed clearly go against the blackpill and are full of redpill cope about money, status and women's attitudes about strong and empowered having a bigger effect than looks.

They won't throw it away because they aren't trying to stay away from women and hold on to some forbidden knowledge and celibacy. They are sexless against their will and want to lose their virginity and be in a relationship.
Citation needed. Mgtows aren’t known for supporting hookers, and especially jot sandman.

Bluepillers wouldn’t say someone was sent their own way, they would say they need to fix their personality or be useful to the woman. How it was used in the context sandman used it was clearly about being unattractive to the women.

Sexbots and VR is a great cure to inceldom, and if people want relationships, there will eventually also be wiaifubots. People can’t predict how technology will go in the future, ao it’s understandable you two have different opinions on this, but I think his opinion on using technology as copes, especially living in VR, will be the next bug step.

He’s also right about the incels waiting for a trad woman. That’s just an incel in denial cope, idk how you could see what he said in any other way.

You are picking out random points. This forum does have talks about trad copers, mstows, technology to cope, vr, etc. None of it was against the blackpill. You just seem like you are trying to find issues where they don’t exist and have a preconceived idea of not liking sandman to begin with.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZIpFytCSVc


Sexbots are an elite tier, futuristic fantasy cope that may soon become reality and take the crown as the king of all copes.
Someone on this forum used to post sex bot posts a while ago. Maybe you remember him. But I agree, I rather look into vr personally.
 
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Someone on this forum used to post sex bot posts a while ago. Maybe you remember him. But I agree, I rather look into vr personally.
Sounds like NoCopeNoHope @NoCopeNoHope .
 
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Citation needed. Mgtows aren’t known for supporting hookers, and especially jot sandman.
All on mgtow forums they say it's cheaper to see a hooker than get married. Many of them report having been to hookers and are against prostitution being made illegal or restricted.

mgtow that aren't monks are known for supporting hookers and have often said hookers are the most honest type of women out there.
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Bluepillers wouldn’t say someone was sent their own way, they would say they need to fix their personality or be useful to the woman. How it was used in the context sandman used it was clearly about being unattractive to the women.
They would, they'd just say it in a different ie "no women wanted you anyway" without evaluating further as to why but only vaguely referencing looks and personality.

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He’s also right about the incels waiting for a trad woman. That’s just an incel in denial cope, idk how you could see what he said in any other way.
Incels aren't waiting for a trad woman. They are waiting for a woman that will be loyal and not cheat but not necessarily a demure virgin. The idea that incels want demure trad women is an anti-incel strawman of incels.
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You are picking out random points. This forum does have talks about trad copers, mstows, technology to cope, vr, etc. None of it was against the blackpill. You just seem like you are trying to find issues where they don’t exist and have a preconceived idea of not liking sandman to begin with.
I'm not picking out random points. These points that I mentioned where the importance of status, money and personality is compared with and said to be on par with looks clearly clashes with the blackpill.
 
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mgtow that aren't monks are known for supporting hookers and have often said hookers are the most honest type of women out there.
Well they kinda are. I mean, if all female affection is conditional on bone structure and resource potential (it is), then why disparage the women who will look past it for a quick monetary injection?

Anyways, since I was mentioned, I'll come out of hibernation for a bit.

AI equipped sexbots (and associated technologies like VR/holograms) and artificial wombs are the two tools that will lead to male separatism final being possible as a long term model. If you are biologically determined to be a sub-5 male, there is absolutely zero reason to value female affection, as it is all manufactured anyways. Any affection that you receive will be fake. Hence, if the affection you receive from a human female is fake, why not just swap it out with "fake" AI affection? What is the real difference for the male in question?

Look at the rise of shit like OnlyFans and Twitch, where the male need for female affection is monetized and exploited by females. Men pay $10 for pics of a woman they will never meet, $100 for a custom shout out on a stream, $500 for a custom 1 minute ASMR voice clip of a 6/10 foid saying "I love you". How is this not fake? How can this not be replicated by AI? These men will never interact with these women ever. Shit you could swap them out with cutting edge AI right now and the males wouldn't notice a difference. Yet these whores collectively pull millions of dollars every month. Many will pay several grand for a night out with a 8/10 or for a month of sugaring a 5/10 college chick. How will AI powered sexbots not impact this? Plastic love dolls are already competitive with the lower end of human prostitutes, as demonstrated with brothels in Europe. Some sexdoll brothels have even been shut down due to pressure from professional whores.

40 years ago, it was considered science fiction that you would be able to send 100s of GB of data from the palm of your hand. Now look at your smartphone, which has more computing power than every computer built before 1980 combined. 100 years ago, supersonic flight was thought to be impossible by many. Technology moves quickly when there is funding and a market for its use. The market for artificial love is now many billions of dollars (trillions if you count marriage which is just long term prostitution for most men).


I think that the only salvation for us as low tier males is to completely replace women. We might not get hyper-realistic sexbots in our lifetimes, but our sons (that we have via surrogacy) and incels of the future will, and the gynocentric slave master class will finally be defeated after billions of years of intersexual conflict. So we should push for these technologies and a male only society. Not just for us, but for incels not yet born. No male deserves to suffer like we have.
 
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All on mgtow forums they say it's cheaper to see a hooker than get married. Many of them report having been to hookers and are against prostitution being made illegal or restricted.
I don’t know how it is mgtow forum, but if it’s the reddit one, you’ll understand that the mgtow copers on reddit are not the same ones on youtube. Just think about the relationship subreddits, the advice on there is cucked but the youtube versions of the video have youtubers comments how cucked the advice is and how spineless op was. Either way, I never heard hooker mentioned almost ever in youtube mgtow circles.


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They would, they'd just say it in a different ie "no women wanted you anyway" without evaluating further as to why but only vaguely referencing looks and personality.
So bluepilled people do say looks matter? I thought the whole point of bluepill was to say that your personality reigns supreme.


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Incels aren't waiting for a trad woman. They are waiting for a woman that will be loyal and not cheat but not necessarily a demure virgin. The idea that incels want demure trad women is an anti-incel strawman of incels.
He was talking about people who look like Tim Pool being copers. Incels in denials will say they are waiting for a trad woman. Obviously that doesn’t reflect all incels, but most incels don’t understand why they’re incels and cope by thinking they chose that situation. Trad coping is one of the way incels cope. In fact, it’s a way I used to cope as well.
 
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