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Me too, but I’m not going to let that drive me crazy. Coping is fine, but there are two kinds of coping: one based on reality, and the other—well, whatever works.
All of that with pure malice for the sake one can, isn't that evil?
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I don’t think that’s a common occurrence. What people think they are isn’t always what they actually are. We are living beings, and they are living beings too; living beings do what living beings do—pigs and monkeys do what monkeys do.
Is this evil? It depends on the group/cult you belong to. Every group or sect has a moral code to ensure the group’s stability, but that doesn’t mean it’s objective, even when the moral code or laws apply to every individual in society.
Where I live, everyone is evil; people can’t save money because of the communists; everyone is constantly struggling to survive. No Christian morality can help you here. In this animal pen, you’ll be an animal; if you’re poor, you’ll have to act like a poor person whether you want to or not, whether you’re aware of it or not.
Actually, I’m posting this article just to debate with you all. I’ve known the answer from the very beginning.
Is it evil or not?
To you boy
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bro... If you’re asking me to endorse Christian morality, the answer is no. It’s not objective.
This answer does not make sense to me
Would you hate someone did something terrible to you while you did nothing to them?
If you do not like that you also wouldn't want to do that to others right?
Even so, who in the right mind would want someone to do something terrible?
A normal mind would want peace with others not to be target of senseless violence or humiliation
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If that happens, it’s because I didn’t anticipate the situation or I wasn’t vigilant enough. And they have their own motives, too.
There’s no room for moral questions in the Third World.r
I’m not as idle as people from the First World who worry about such trivial matters.
Dude... I really don't have a choice but to let others take aim at me. If they're aiming at me, I'll get shot—I'd better find a way to dodge the bullets.
All right, so I guess I’m a heretic. I don’t have time to think about social justice—people around me would even laugh at me if I did.
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Over time God sent those to witness to me. To give an example is I walked out of a dollar store one and there was Gospel tract on my windshield and I was the only person in the parking lot with the tract on the windshield. I looked all around . So many people witnessed to me in general over the years I realized that God was speaking to me. So many Christians just came up to me in public and that type of thing . A women who prayed in tongues over me when I was 16 and likely saved my life.
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That doesn’t convince me.
But if believing in God helps you, then go ahead and believe; who am I to doubt your experience?
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I would say to you to pray to God and ask for a sign in Jesus name .
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i belive in God because i was born in a orthodox family and i don’t get to lose anything
As a former one, coping+fear of not getting to live after death.
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I understand the magic behind rituals; even invoking God’s name is a ritual. I used to be into mysticism, so I know full well that God isn’t much different from a tulpa.
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understandable
Do not confuse Christ with bad Christians sir, if people cast insults at you that is a reflection of themselves not Christianity as a religion. The existence of pain, suffering and our plight in the form of being unable to attract the opposite sex proves that a world without God is fallen, in such a world some people are born with unfortunate qualities (Isaiah 43:4). Jesus Christ was born perfect yet died the death of a sinner for our eternal lives. Some people claim superiority over other because of their faith but that is not what God teaches, "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18 When you claim people are hypocrites you are appealing to the morals of the Bible. Moral truth is grounded in anything beyond human preference. It is dishonest to say that people believe in God because of fear people believe, especially in modern times with all of the information around us because there is an undeniable moral truth in man and other reasons (Search fine tuning of the universe and the book Physics and the ancient religion) "From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?" James 4:1
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There has been a massive amount of research done proving the reliability of the gospels as well as the Old Testament. Search the topic on YouTube find InspiringPhilosophy's series about it
Explaining how a belief or experience forms does not, by itself prove whether its object is real or unreal. that claim is a philosophical interpretation not something that follows from the psychology of religious experience.
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Its not magick , call on the name of the Lord , read Romans 10:9 !
not really fear to be honest. never been scared of hell even as a kid but i do have a couple reasons:
> the Christian faith provides a solid frame for most of moral beliefs to actually have solid reasons to be justifiable fundamentally i dont like the idea cannibalizing a toddler holds the same moral weight as feeding a homeless man.
> Christian theology is the most solid out of most religions. so the most justifiable answers are found here
> it pisses off women and fags enough said
> Jesus is pretty cool. i think everyone has something to gain by giving him a chance.
> the Christian faith provides a solid frame for most of moral beliefs to actually have solid reasons to be justifiable fundamentally i dont like the idea cannibalizing a toddler holds the same moral weight as feeding a homeless man.
> Christian theology is the most solid out of most religions. so the most justifiable answers are found here
> it pisses off women and fags enough said
> Jesus is pretty cool. i think everyone has something to gain by giving him a chance.
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Basically, it's about moral superiority, trampling on others?
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Of course he's genuine with you, but not with me. My morals are far more rigorous than his theology.
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I appreciate you. Most of the fanatics I've seen will project an air of moral superiority whenever possible, but when attacked logically, they feign morality or use fallacies to deflect the blow.
No, I'm only attacking them because they don't adhere to the morality they preach. They will always be a bunch of scoundrels who use moral superiority to justify imposing their own morality on others, yet still consider it "moral," as you can see, basically 90% of this forum.
You're using theological propositions instead of logic, aren't you? If I'm mistaken, could you explain further? I think that reproduction is the absolute truth that prevails over all life, including humans.
not really, out of all of the religions to seek moral superiority out of Christianity is probably your worst bet. it actively preaches that we are all sinners and our own individual actions and virtues will always fall short of True goodness. What i was getting at is that Christianity provides a solid foundation to source objective morality.
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ok, but do you know how objective that is? I don't think so.
Depends if your willing to subscribe to a Christian frame work it is quite objective. The Christian god(this is assuming we're working from a Christian perspective) is the following things all powerful, all good and the embodiment of truth. Thus the commandments he gives us are not subjective they are simply absolute.
However, if your an atheist or agnostic I understand why this might be hard to follow since your frame work can never allow for objective statements around morality to ever be made. everything is fluid and subjective
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It requires belief that transcends logic, right? But you know, when 1+1 no longer equals 2, then God could be Satan, or vice versa. The reason I have to elevate logic to absolute and lower relativism is because without a logical framework to refer to, any lie—whether meaningful or meaningless—can become and is the truth. There is no longer good or evil, right or wrong, life or death, reproductive or non-reproductive. At that point, power becomes the ultimate truth, and they have the right to impose any rules on you because they have money, power, and the media to make their version of reality.
If god were real girls would be as cute as anime girls and every incel would get a Misaki
There is no evolutionary or scientific reason for us to have developed morals or advanced conciseness to degree in which we exhibit. According to science, dolphins have very close intelligence to humans because of many reasons, yet they rape and murder without remorse, despite what users on here would tell you most of them would actually feel remorse and shame after committing such a crime. Examining all that is evident in nature along with ideas like the fine tuning of the universe and science's incapability to explain our morals or conciseness we can almost objectively say that 1 a God does exist and 2 that we were given morals from him. Look into the statistic improbability of the gospels surviving antiquity if you need more convincing.
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You know, unlike most animals, humans have a cult nature. Humans have mirror neurons in their brains to mimic the states of those around them; when you kill someone, you will experience the pain of the person you killed to some degree whether you want to or not, even if you don't want to or if it's a stranger.
That hasn't convinced me yet.
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this, When 1+1 no longer equals 2, anything will be allowed to become true, depending on the power of the speaker.
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A performance video won't make God a truth
I tried but nothing evER happens and I stayed unloved even when I sobbed my eyes out praying and begging for help but… Nothing. Ever. Happens
Whether god is real or not idk but something manifests objects
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That's right, fanatics can't understand this. God isn't magic; you'd have to constantly move the goalposts to feel his presence, especially if you were born an incel.
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That's possible, however, if someone said that it was God of Christianity who did that, I would jump in and attack their faith.
this does not make moral response automatic or uniform. If it did, cruelty would be unknown among men, which history plainly disproves. Man is a moral being endowed with conscience. Guilt is something physical enough that extreme guilt can cause a bodily response Romans 2:15
And what will convince you
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You might feel a little pain when you hurt someone, but you know, for them to do it, they've already prepared themselves mentally, and there are also certain things that force them to do so, such as basic biological goals, the power of the group influencing their behavior, etc. Their account within the group isn't their natural self, something they often mistakenly believe they are.
Of course, all humans are "evil" to some degree, but if everyone were evil to some extent at some point, the word "evil" would become meaningless. Replacing it with "heretic" would be more appropriate.
Human nature is inherently heartless towards outsiders; to gain power, you must first be evil, you must be extremely evil to seize power. The cult's structure over all groups of people is unavoidable.
This doesn't mean anything; of course the body will react, the degree of reaction depending on the mirror neurons and the life experiences of the perpetrator.
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logic
evil is not rendered meaningless by its frequency, it is known by its violation of that law which man nevertheless perceives and cannot wholly escape
What of a belief in the Christian God is illogical? How can millions of people proceeding US many of whom were smarter than you and I combined all be all be so wrong in such a extreme way. People have died for this faith in favor rather than convert to other faiths that appeal to this evil nature you speak of.
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Perhaps you misunderstood; I was only saying that using the word "evil" to differentiate is meaningless. Besides, your argument is not at all convincing; I haven't seen any valid premises to support that conclusion.
The reason I elevate logic to the absolute level is this: fanatics will always use fallacies whenever possible to rationalize the existence of God, no matter how illogical it may be, in order to justify their own morality. Unfortunately, fallacies are fallacies. Whether you invoke the idea that all the people on earth believe in Christianity, or that all intelligent people believe in Christianity, or that many people have died for Christian ideals, it will never change the objective reality: the God of Christianity is not objective. Don't forget that outside of Christianity there are other solid moral systems, all of which must first and foremost place reproduction as an absolute premise.
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Please help me, attack me if you can. I'm about to go into battle with my old Christian teacher, so I need to practice beforehand.
May I ask honestly. Why do you dislike Christ so deeply? What moment in your life has led you to such angst toward our father in heaven?
There is a difference between Hebrew and Jew. Both claim messiah lineage.
The trick is to pick the right one.
View: https://youtube.com/shorts/LqqQL4R76NA?si=-XdfEO2ZV5oZVN9P
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Tractate Shabbat 129b, it is stated that after Jesus's death the power of magic was diminished
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