Ask Christians: Why do you believe in God?

[xek000000kk]

Out of fear of Him? There's no reliable evidence to prove that the Christian God is not evil, assuming he exists; and that the Bible is truly his word?
Because you’re afraid the Christian community where you live will shun you? Oh, that sounds more plausible. But who knows?
Because of a sense of moral superiority, looking down on others? This is what I see when Christian fanatics label me an atheist, aka a heretic.
Because of love, his gift? Huh??? Look at the disabled body he’s given you.
Because of morality, because of conscience? If everyone is a hypocrite—whether unintentionally or on purpose, whether they realize it or not—then you, the one who believes in morality and imposes it on others, are the only hypocrite.

Honestly, I don’t understand how these Christian-fanatic incels can believe in God beyond that sense of moral superiority and trampling on others.

 

[The Death Devil]

Because it's fun.

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Because over the years God drew me to Christ in indescribable ways time and again . Whether through explanations about God that he always answered . God sent so many people to try to save I finally got the clue.

 

[xek000000kk]

Because over the years God drew me to Christ in indescribable ways time and again . Whether through explanations about God that he always answered . God sent so many people to try to save I finally got the clue.

Could you be more specific? When I’m listening to music, I can feel that way too, but when I stop listening, I feel my mood drop, and it’s almost impossible to feel as happy as I did while listening. I’ve also tried to justify that music helps me in some way, even though objectively speaking, it’s harmful to my mental health in the long run.

 

[xek000000kk]

Because it's fun.

What’s the fun in letting morality dictate your behavior?

 

[Krad]

Out of fear of Him? There's no reliable evidence to prove that the Christian God is not evil, assuming he exists; and that the Bible is truly his word?
Because you’re afraid the Christian community where you live will shun you? Oh, that sounds more plausible. But who knows?
Because of a sense of moral superiority, looking down on others? This is what I see when Christian fanatics label me an atheist, aka a heretic.
Because of love, his gift? Huh??? Look at the disabled body he’s given you.
Because of morality, because of conscience? If everyone is a hypocrite—whether unintentionally or on purpose, whether they realize it or not—then you, the one who believes in morality and imposes it on others, are the only hypocrite.

Honestly, I don’t understand how these Christian-fanatic incels can believe in God beyond that sense of moral superiority and trampling on others.

Because i care for The Truth, and i want a peace and life this world will never able to replace with

 

[Krad]

Out of fear of Him? There's no reliable evidence to prove that the Christian God is not evil, assuming he exists; and that the Bible is truly his word?
Because you’re afraid the Christian community where you live will shun you? Oh, that sounds more plausible. But who knows?
Because of a sense of moral superiority, looking down on others? This is what I see when Christian fanatics label me an atheist, aka a heretic.
Because of love, his gift? Huh??? Look at the disabled body he’s given you.
Because of morality, because of conscience? If everyone is a hypocrite—whether unintentionally or on purpose, whether they realize it or not—then you, the one who believes in morality and imposes it on others, are the only hypocrite.

Honestly, I don’t understand how these Christian-fanatic incels can believe in God beyond that sense of moral superiority and trampling on others.

I honestly dislike other Christians because of certain reasons

I don't care honestly about my body, God will take care of this aspect of mine

 

[Krad]

What’s the fun in letting morality dictate your behavior?

It is not fan to be a prisoner of the own ego unable to never see what is righteous and what is evil objectively

 

[Krad]

Could you be more specific? When I’m listening to music, I can feel that way too, but when I stop listening, I feel my mood drop, and it’s almost impossible to feel as happy as I did while listening. I’ve also tried to justify that music helps me in some way, even though objectively speaking, it’s harmful to my mental health in the long run.

Songs have the frequency on 440 hz which to some aparently give anxienties and many other things overtime and subconsciouly

 

[xek000000kk]

i want a peace and life this world will never able to replace with

Do you have the power to change the world? What would you do to achieve that world? What would you be willing to sacrifice? Why would you sacrifice your personal interests for something abstract and unrealistic? Was that the goal you wanted from the start, or is it really about yourself?

God will take care of this aspect of mine

huh? God take care what?

a prisoner of the own ego

Can you define what the ego is?
You know, if everyone were selfish and trapped by their ego, then wouldn’t the outsider shouting that everyone is trapped by their ego be the most selfish person of all?

Songs have the frequency on 440 hz which to some aparently give anxienties and many other things overtime and subconsciouly

I am suspicious of any music that’s packaged and sold to someone

 

[Krad]

When i say ego i mean the ability to resist when you are wrong, instead of seeking The Truth, but keeeping double downing and doing the same thing knowing it lead to nowhere and it just destroy the person

Do you have the power to change the world? What would you do to achieve that world? What would you be willing to sacrifice? Why would you sacrifice your personal interests for something abstract and unrealistic? Was that the goal you wanted from the start, or is it really about yourself?

huh? God take care what?

Can you define what the ego is?
You know, if everyone were selfish and trapped by their ego, then wouldn’t the outsider shouting that everyone is trapped by their ego be the most selfish person of all?

I am suspicious of any music that’s packaged and sold to someone

 

[Krad]

I honestly dislike other Christians because of certain reasons

I don't care honestly about my body, God will take care of this aspect of mine

About other Christians, i hate the ignorance and the stress it gives me

 

[xek000000kk]

the ability to resist when you are wrong

What’s wrong with that? Is it unethical? Aren’t we all selfish to some extent? So what’s wrong with opposing or disagreeing with the group’s moral standards? Why do you prioritize the group’s interests over individual ones? Do you have any ideals? If so, why do you hold or choose them if you’re an incel?

 

[xek000000kk]

i hate the ignorance

Isn’t ignorance the strength of faith?

 

[Krad]

What’s wrong with that? Is it unethical? Aren’t we all selfish to some extent? So what’s wrong with opposing or disagreeing with the group’s moral standards? Why do you prioritize the group’s interests over individual ones? Do you have any ideals? If so, why do you hold or choose them if you’re an incel?

You are more than free to oppose and disagree on a group moral's standard

I'm talking about objective Truth, and what cannot be denied

Murdering will always be wrong

Adultery will always be wrong

Accusing others of crimes they did not do will always be wrong

Plotting revenge to others when they are begging for mercy and you know it is always wrong

Wanting to be right when you know you hurted someone badly will always be wrong

Deceiving others for personal gain is absolutely wrong

 

[Krad]

Isn’t ignorance the strength of faith?

Bravery is the strength of faith.

 

[Krad]

To have Faith one must get out of comfort zone to a place that is uncomfortable and do a decision that wouldn't be seen as madness

 

[xek000000kk]

Bravery is the strength of faith.

Okay, so how is courage different from ignorance?

To have Faith one must get out of comfort zone to a place that is uncomfortable and do a decision that wouldn't be seen as madness

Okay, so what exactly is a comfort zone? Isn’t life already uncomfortable enough? And why should I make a decision that’s supposed to be different from everyone else’s?

I'm talking about objective Truth, and what cannot be denied

Murdering will always be wrong

Adultery will always be wrong

Accusing others of crimes they did not do will always be wrong

Plotting revenge to others when they are begging for mercy and you know it is always wrong

Wanting to be right when you know you hurted someone badly will always be wrong

Deceiving others for personal gain is absolutely wrong

All right, on what basis do you claim this is objective truth? Is it based on the Bible and the commandments of "God"? How dare you call it objective truth without resorting to the circular reasoning of theology?

 

[Rapemaxxer]

Murdering will always be wrong

Adultery will always be wrong

Accusing others of crimes they did not do will always be wrong

Plotting revenge to others when they are begging for mercy and you know it is always wrong

Wanting to be right when you know you hurted someone badly will always be wrong

Deceiving others for personal gain is absolutely wrong

Goycattle copium

 

[Mohamedömar]

Christian-fanatic incels can believe in God

They believe in three lol

 

[Krad]

All right, on what basis do you claim this is objective truth? Is it based on the Bible and the commandments of "God"? How dare you call it objective truth without resorting to the circular reasoning of theology?

How wouldn't it be?

What did someone who did nothing to you and no one deserve to be killed because you want to?

Wouldn't you hate that? Isn't that injustice?

 

[Krad]

Goycattle copium

How pessimist of you

 

[Krad]

Okay, so how is courage different from ignorance?

Okay, so what exactly is a comfort zone? Isn’t life already uncomfortable enough? And why should I make a decision that’s supposed to be different from everyone else’s?

All right, on what basis do you claim this is objective truth? Is it based on the Bible and the commandments of "God"? How dare you call it objective truth without resorting to the circular reasoning of theology?

If a society who claim to be Christian, but commit injustice in all way possible and opress the weak and do all kinds of wickedness says to have Faith, but it doesn't


Someone notices their hypocrisy, depravity and iniquity, and want speak up, and has Faith that what they do is wrong, and believe genuily that what they are doing is not The Voice Of God or what Christ wants we to do


This person will have Faith by following the path the society is not following, a path of righteousness and true relationship with God, and all others who do the same the guy does too

If what they do is The Truth, is correct and verum, then this is fruit of their Faith

This is true Faith, not what majority decided, not what we decided but what it is.

 

[Krad]

Isn’t ignorance the strength of faith?

Faith is conviction, but the same conviction will face adversity through life

 

[xek000000kk]

How wouldn't it be?

What did someone who did nothing to you and no one deserve to be killed because you want to?

Wouldn't you hate that? Isn't that injustice?

I don’t know anymore. I was born in a Third World country where immorality is the dominant “religion,” so I simply can’t concern myself with other people’s affairs.

If someone dies, I won’t care.

If my parents die, I’ll be happy because I’ll inherit their assets.

If my siblings die, I’ll be happy because I’ll inherit their assets easily.

However, I don’t have the power to change reality, you understand? Whether I wish for the people around me to die or not means nothing unless I directly kill them to achieve some goal; in that case, if no one discovers I’m the murderer, no god will come to kill me.

You know, fanatics always talk about morality, but when they constantly judge the morality of groups other than the fanatical group they follow, aren’t they the evil ones toward that group?



We all subconsciously know there’s a reality that neither you nor I can impose our beliefs upon—a reality that no one has the right to choose. How dare you use logic to defend faith? Your God isn’t even visible. How dare you treat fleeting emotions as objective truth? Don’t you see you’re contradicting yourself? You’re actually helping me prove that morality is just the shadow of the group’s and its members’ egos.


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[xek000000kk]

Faith is conviction, but the same conviction will face adversity through life

If your faith doesn’t help you achieve some of your goals, what would you do? Move the goalposts?

 

[xek000000kk]

If a society who claim to be Christian, but commit injustice in all way possible and opress the weak and do all kinds of wickedness says to have Faith, but it doesn't


Someone notices their hypocrisy, depravity and iniquity, and want speak up, and has Faith that what they do is wrong, and believe genuily that what they are doing is not The Voice Of God or what Christ wants we to do

Ironically, they will see you as a hypocrite—someone who adheres to a moral standard that isn’t the one invisibly governing their group, and who seeks to impose that standard on them. You are the hypocrite here.

 

[xek000000kk]

This person will have Faith by following the path the society is not following, a path of righteousness and true relationship with God, and all others who do the same the guy does too

If what they do is The Truth, is correct and verum, then this is fruit of their Faith

This is true Faith, not what majority decided, not what we decided but what it is.

How can you tell what is the word of God, what is God’s will, and what is the true faith? The Bible? Every believer reads the Bible, so is your faith more correct than theirs? That’s really nonsense. Why does the book of truth confuse readers so much that everyone interprets it differently, yet the church’s interpretation is considered the most correct by the majority? Is it truly objective?

 

[Rapemaxxer]

How pessimist of you

How is that pessimistic jfl? Ur entire goyim cult is a projection of slave morality, designed to assuage nihilism in the masses.

 

[Krad]

How can you tell what is the word of God, what is God’s will, and what is the true faith? The Bible? Every believer reads the Bible, so is your faith more correct than theirs? That’s really nonsense. Why does the book of truth confuse readers so much that everyone interprets it differently, yet the church’s interpretation is considered the most correct by the majority? Is it truly objective?

Is The Word Of God scamming others and living only by myself regardless how i do?

This seems to come from the devil not from God

 

[Krad]

Ironically, they will see you as a hypocrite—someone who adheres to a moral standard that isn’t the one invisibly governing their group, and who seeks to impose that standard on them. You are the hypocrite here.

Well i'm not imposing nothing to no one.

Yeah, i simply won't change what i believe because someone is imposing something to me.

What i can do is share what i believe so anyone who is willing to do the same will either agree with me or not on whatever thing

If they reject, then shame on them and move on.


That's why i said earlier: "you do you boy"


Althrough, one shall know the consequences of sinning

 

[Krad]

How can you tell what is the word of God, what is God’s will, and what is the true faith? The Bible? Every believer reads the Bible, so is your faith more correct than theirs? That’s really nonsense. Why does the book of truth confuse readers so much that everyone interprets it differently, yet the church’s interpretation is considered the most correct by the majority? Is it truly objective?

I don't know, one should judge my actions and see if they are good

Also about interpret things, anyone can interpret anything anyway they shape.


In Genesis we literally see that where the serpent fooled Adam and Eve because they adhere to eat while God said exactly not to.

Regardless if the fruit was inhenrently evil or not, we do not know

 

[Krad]

If your faith doesn’t help you achieve some of your goals, what would you do? Move the goalposts?

Elaborate more about goals

 

[Krad]

What’s wrong with that? Is it unethical? Aren’t we all selfish to some extent? So what’s wrong with opposing or disagreeing with the group’s moral standards? Why do you prioritize the group’s interests over individual ones? Do you have any ideals? If so, why do you hold or choose them if you’re an incel?

How can you judge foids or gays for being the way they are?

You simply wouldn't be here nor be able to judge not even a single drop of hair of them

 

[xek000000kk]

Is The Word Of God scamming others and living only by myself regardless how i do?

This seems to come from the devil not from God

All right, but you do admit that faith is subjective, don’t you?

Well i'm not imposing nothing to no one.

If they reject, then shame on them

one shall know the consequences of sinning

It’s ironic, isn’t it? You’re the one imposing your own moral standards on others.

Also about interpret things, anyone can interpret anything anyway they shape.

I see. So the nature of faith is subjective, and therefore, God’s commandments are also subjective, and you are single-handedly destroying the faith of your own cult.

In Genesis we literally see that where the serpent fooled Adam and Eve because they adhere to eat while God said exactly not to.

Isn’t God all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good? Then it’s clear that He set a trap.

 

[xek000000kk]

Elaborate more about goals

What do you mean? I don’t understand.

 

[xek000000kk]

How can you judge foids or gays for being the way they are?

You simply wouldn't be here nor be able to judge not even a single drop of hair of them

That’s right, I’VE NEVER JUDGED THEM AT ALL. I’m here for the forum’s freedom of speech.

 

[Krad]

It’s ironic, isn’t it? You’re the one imposing your own moral standards on others.

If i stab someone in or rape someone, or falsely accuse and etc, i would be on jail.

I would be hunted and put on jail.

 

[Krad]

What do you mean? I don’t understand.

What types of goals? Earthly goals?

I believe one day will be fullfilled, even if it is post death

And in a ressurrection

 

[xek000000kk]

If i stab someone in or rape someone, or falsely accuse and etc, i would be on jail.

I would be hunted and put on jail.

Alright, the law does incorporate some religious rules. However, not all religious rules are found in current legislation. Religious/cults morality isn’t objective, and besides, you really have no valid reason to adhere to a morality designed to restrict certain behaviors of yours, especially if you’re an incel.

 

[xek000000kk]

What types of goals? Earthly goals?

I believe one day will be fullfilled, even if it is post death

And in a ressurrection

That’s really ironic—you’re moving the goalposts exactly as I predicted. If your goal lies beyond death, why don’t you just go die to archive your goal? At this point, none of life’s goals matter anymore because all you have to do is follow Christ’s words exactly—is that what you wanted all along?
Besides, there’s no way to verify whether anything metaphysical happens after death.

 

[Krad]

Alright, the law does incorporate some religious rules. However, not all religious rules are found in current legislation. Religious/cults morality isn’t objective, and besides, you really have no valid reason to adhere to a morality designed to restrict certain behaviors of yours, especially if you’re an incel.

It goes way beyond simple laws.

If you commit adultery, you will be hated, with reason, because you stole something from someone.


And you know you would hate every single, muscle and cell the idea of someone doing even a small fraction of what you did to the man

 

[Shark]

You are more than free to oppose and disagree on a group moral's standard

I'm talking about objective Truth, and what cannot be denied

Murdering will always be wrong

Adultery will always be wrong

Accusing others of crimes they did not do will always be wrong

Plotting revenge to others when they are begging for mercy and you know it is always wrong

Wanting to be right when you know you hurted someone badly will always be wrong

Deceiving others for personal gain is absolutely wrong

Holy slave morality

 

[Krad]

That’s really ironic—you’re moving the goalposts exactly as I predicted. If your goal lies beyond death, why don’t you just go die to archive your goal? At this point, none of life’s goals matter anymore because all you have to do is follow Christ’s words exactly—isn’t that what you wanted all along?
Besides, there’s no way to verify whether anything metaphysical happens after death.

I cannot cheat life and skip everything to avoid what i can do here while i'm alive

 

[Krad]

Holy slave morality

What is that?

 

[xek000000kk]

What is that?

It's a concept from Nietzsche, the kind of morality Nietzsche preached isn’t really any better than the “red pill” or Christianity.

 

[xek000000kk]

If you commit adultery, you will be hated, with reason, because you stole something from someone.

I haven’t seen any objectivity that would give you the right to claim it as objective truth; all I see are subjective emotions.

 

[xek000000kk]

I cannot cheat life and skip everything to avoid what i can do here while i'm alive

What do you mean? Isn’t your goal to die? Why don’t you just go die?

 

[xek000000kk]

So, is faith < the instinct for survival?

 

[Krad]

What do you mean? Isn’t your goal to die? Why don’t you just go die?

Nah, i have goals just like anyone else, personal desires

But perhaps some of them are not possible in this earth today