how having it owned by the state would had changed anything?
Experiment As an Incel, do you support free market capitalism or genuine socialism?
A country's economy, especially in this age, is mainly shaped by endogenous factors. Venezuela made the mistake of not diversifying their economy.
pretty much
I meant exogenous
yeah, exogenous economy is actualy the only benefit of globalism
I'm guessing you're a libsoc retard. Low IQ.
The free market is shit but it's better than any other system previously tried in history.
Sorry you're a mongrel.
being a mongrel sucks
jfl if you think this is better than having a family and a functional society
your vote will be publicly visible
Real socialism can not work because it causes demand to explode to unbelievable levels, while supply simply disappears. by interfering in the price system, there is nothing else that prevents people from acquiring in an uncontrolled way. on the other hand, producers lose the incentive to continue producing, which means that products and services will disappear, causing scarcity.
to prevent this scenario, real socialism almost always resorts to tyranny and repression. inevitably, any form of socialism will end in a dictatorship.
as far as capitalism is concerned, suffice it to say that prices are sufficient to regulate supply and demand, so that consumers are increasingly available products and services, while producers are increasingly encouraged to produce and innovate. there is no economic system or social model that works close to what capitalism can provide.
As for sustaining chads and stacys, it is true that human nature comes to the surface, and they will succeed in a capitalist economy. but this is also true in a socialist system. chads and stacys will always be the last to starve, and will also be the most likely to be part of the tyrannical socialist government. therefore, whoever is against capitalism because it favors chads and stacys needs to find another reason to be against capitalism.
and finally, the government. it is true that a government is the most efficient way of transferring income from men to women. it is also true that the government, by supporting women, encourages irresponsible behavior on their part, resulting in suffering for all. those who want the end of female promiscuity should be strongly against the existence of a government.
it should also be mentioned that there is already research in the Middle East of genetic manipulation. it is already possible to make an individual gain more muscles that would gain naturally and without the use of anabolics, it is already possible to make an individual produce more red blood cells and other tricks only with genetic manipulation. only that these techniques are only being used in the Middle East because, here, "medical ethics" and legislation do not allow research in this sense. in other words, the government is preventing you, incel with bad genetics, from having access to genetic manipulation methods to fix the mistake your parents made.
to prevent this scenario, real socialism almost always resorts to tyranny and repression. inevitably, any form of socialism will end in a dictatorship.
as far as capitalism is concerned, suffice it to say that prices are sufficient to regulate supply and demand, so that consumers are increasingly available products and services, while producers are increasingly encouraged to produce and innovate. there is no economic system or social model that works close to what capitalism can provide.
As for sustaining chads and stacys, it is true that human nature comes to the surface, and they will succeed in a capitalist economy. but this is also true in a socialist system. chads and stacys will always be the last to starve, and will also be the most likely to be part of the tyrannical socialist government. therefore, whoever is against capitalism because it favors chads and stacys needs to find another reason to be against capitalism.
and finally, the government. it is true that a government is the most efficient way of transferring income from men to women. it is also true that the government, by supporting women, encourages irresponsible behavior on their part, resulting in suffering for all. those who want the end of female promiscuity should be strongly against the existence of a government.
it should also be mentioned that there is already research in the Middle East of genetic manipulation. it is already possible to make an individual gain more muscles that would gain naturally and without the use of anabolics, it is already possible to make an individual produce more red blood cells and other tricks only with genetic manipulation. only that these techniques are only being used in the Middle East because, here, "medical ethics" and legislation do not allow research in this sense. in other words, the government is preventing you, incel with bad genetics, from having access to genetic manipulation methods to fix the mistake your parents made.
I'd like to see some evidence of this. In fact, I have evidence that socialist countries on average had better living conditions than capitalist countries on their level(GDP, etc.)
It's also interesting how pro-capitalists ignore the bottom 80% of the world aka the periphery/third world. One of the biggest reasons first world people can live as extravegantly as they can is because they get cucked by dependency, predatory financial institutions, and coups/interventions. You're supporting third world incels getting cucked by all of this.
They need to grow some balls and uncuck themselves and stop depending on the west.
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Free market works better hands down but if I can have some NEETbuxx it's cool while it lasts. I voted neither.
It's never true communism after it (inevitably) fails. Just sweep the mess under the rug, rince, repeat.
If you got in power and made the regime your way it wouldn't be considered true communism after it failed and killed millions of people either.
It's never true communism after it (inevitably) fails. Just sweep the mess under the rug, rince, repeat.
you also need to present evidence of what you are saying. and more: it needs to demonstrate exactly what mechanism makes socialist countries reach such levels of human development. to say only that such a country is socialist and that there exists human development without demonstrating the relation between the two is to fall into a fallacy, that is, an invalid argument.
the mechanism of supply and demand is widely known in academia, so it is something that anyone would feel uncomfortable trying to refute. the fact is that human beings want to acquire absolutely everything at the least possible effort, and no one is willing to produce the goods that people want.
the price solves these two situations at the same time. on the one hand, people can no longer desire everything at the same time, because there is a price dictating how much one can consume. so the price inhibits demand to the most desirable level possible. On the other hand, price creates the possibility of profit, which is already a sufficient incentive for producers to move out of inertia and to produce what people want. in addition, as there are several producers and each one wants to attract all consumers to itself, each producer will try to innovate and pass in front of others, either with lower prices or with higher quality. with this, consumers will have better and better products at ever lower prices over time.
this is exactly what happens in free market capitalism, and that is why countries with more economic freedom, that is, with more capitalism, are the richest countries and where the citizens have higher salaries. this is also why capitalist countries do not turn into dictatorships.
introduce me to a third world country that does not have a stifling bureaucracy, Scandinavian taxes, extensive labor laws, difficulties in importing and exporting, and other obstacles to entrepreneurship. absolutely every Third World country suffocates its entrepreneurs at insane levels.
it is very easy to blame for the failure of one country in the country of others. the difficult thing is to clean up the house itself and let capitalism take care of the rest.
I support fascistic corporatism.
the issue is that economics inevitably bleeds over into culture. Capitalism has a tendency to erode tradition and culture for the sake of profit whereever it ventures, which is one of the main reasons we're in this mess as incels to begin with. Ideally you want to create a cultural paradigm in which capitalism only serves as a vehicle to get us from here to there, but isn't worshipped as the permeating pillar of society. The germans and some of the scandinavian countries had the right idea. Although the issue with the scandinavian model is that it didn't encompass a strong leader that could single handedly subordinate foreign investors to national interests and protect its culture from degenerating under the weight of the atomising individualism of capitalism, but that's a different topic all together. Anyway, I guess my point is that the National Socialist/fascist view on economics is ideal
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It's unjust to blame capitalism for the degeneration of modern culture. Sure, technological advances contributed to it (Tinder, Smartphones, household appliances that freed women from house chores, etc), but don't forget that feminism and cultural marxism were made by communists and purposefully implemented in the west with the goal of undermining our traditions, values, religion, etc, to further communistic goals.
capitalism, from its very inception, was about unrooting people from their lands and making them dwell like rodents in the inner cities. People sacrificed family bonds dating back hundreds of years in order to become slaves to the capitalist system. This can also be seen to a very large extent today where the highest ideal is not that of nobility, chivalry or strength, but rather marketability. The capitalist culture has reduced man to his debased senses which it then exploits for the sake of furthering its own profit. The modern sexual market place is a perfect example of where free market capitalism leads. This is why culture has to inform capitalism, and not the other way around.
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You do have a point but it happened accidentally with the industrial revolution, it was not planned with malicious intents like communism and cultural marxism were.
I don't think we have a truly free market there. For example, women have hiring quotas and paid maternity leave, both enforced by the state. Without those two, most smart entrepreneurs would stop hiring women for any important function. Without a way to support themselves, women would fall back to marriage.
Just abolishing state intervention would already make the sex market way better.
yeah, that's my point. It is a logical consequence of unrestrained capitalism to uproot people as bonds and traditions more often than not stand in the way of profit.
I disagree. Without an anti degenerate culture informing female decision, foids will just end up forming harems to all be with Chad like they did in precivilization, when life was truly "free". Ultimately, civility will always have to subordinate capital for any healthy society to function. I'm not suggesting communism, or a complete abolition of capitalism, merely third positionism
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The best solution to inceldom (and many of the west's problems) is merely enforced monogamy.
If women lose their rights and freedoms, fathers choose their daughter's husbands and foids are married away young then it's even much better.
Agreed. My point is that capitalism will undermine the family unit if left unchecked and can therefore never be at the center of any healthy culture or society. It will have to be subordinated by a strong leader which tells it to fuck off when it attempts to, say, expand the labor force twofold by "liberating women" and by that mechanism drive down wages for the sake of profit. Just one example of what I'm talking about
I would prefer everything be nuked and apply a hard reset tbh
From there let the world decide who is truly the strongest.
From there let the world decide who is truly the strongest.
Chad can't take care of all the rosties forever. Chad needs cucks and the state to take care of them for him. That's why with no government it will be 100x easier for average men to start families and get laid.
That won't happen because people can simply choose to work for mom and pop businesses that pay them fairly, if there is a demand for something in the free market there will always be a supply.
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Free market. Also I don’t want to pay taxes for family welfare
expansion in labor supply=fiercer competition for the jobs available=lowering of wages
Expansion of labor supply=more innovation=more jobs to fill
this isn't what happens in practice
We haven't had a completely free market yet.
Too low iq tbh
that's just like when communists say that communism has never been truly implemented anywhere. It's the same line of argumentation. The issue with anarcho capitalism and communism is that they both fail to understand human nature and therefore can't manifest anywhere in the real world
Free market is pure human nature, that's how all other animals operate. Socialism enforced by rulers is unnatural cuckery.
Fuck (((capitalism))).
There's nothing unnatural about a phenomenon that seems to be spontaneously reoccurring seemingly independent of every other occurrence where ever capitalism is implemented, hence why you've never had a "genuine free market" in over 100 years of capitalism. Large scale capitalism and big finance will always interfere with culture and politics to maximize profit. Why do you think the capitalist elites favor the new world order agenda of demographic replacement and equality between the sexes? It's obviously because it's in their economics interests to
There aren't 100% free markets like there are no 100% communist markets, but the ones that lean more towards a free market are always less cucked for men.
Those elites are for taxing the middle class and creating more socialism, because they get away with tax loopholes and don't have to follow laws anyway. They want foreigners to take the place of the middle class, because they'll be productive slaves and increase the birth rates so they can tax them more.
I support capitalism any day.
what has fair competition done for us?
lets rob the zogs
lets rob the zogs
Free Market Captialism while exposing legitimate corruption.
Free market with regulations and progressive tax to fund free health care and public schools - basically the Scandinavian model.
Whichevers convienent. Ultimately i support me first then my tribe.
Public schools are brainwashing facilities that make kids dumber, plus incels get severely bullied there. Government should have nothing to do with schooling, or provide cheap online basic education at the most.
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