RageFuel Anyone else had this problem with social normies? This is what makes it so hard to be neurotypical for authentic people

[BeatingInceldom]

Obviously not looks-wise. I am a normie lookswise myself.

I'm talking more mentality wise.

There is a certain type of social normie, not all, but some, that try and make everything out to be common sense or obvious. Like you'll be involved in solving a problem with them around (Or in a group) and instead of sitting back for a moment and considering all the options possible intuitively and finding the most optimal answer, they will right-away JUMP and try and find the most simplistic route from the first thing that can come into their mind. Even if it's not within their remit of knowledge. What I notice is when they are fortunate to be on the mark with how sharp they were to spit it out of their mouths, they act all big and mighty and like they're above you because you were taking your time to think. But when it turned out they came up with a dumbass stupid answer/idea and you dismiss it by saying 'no because....' they will be all like; 'oh yeah of course, because blah blah and so on'.

It's this delusional fakeness that they frame their subconscious thinking to almost not even be aware of. They GENUINELY believe they are smarter, wiser, more practical especially and just far more well-rounded than anyone that doesn't subscribe to this common bullshit sense thinking. And the ones that do this the most, are none of these things. They just wear a social persona mask and try to fit that persona to the context of the situation.

I also find it very difficult to explain complex shit to dumbasses, that put great effort and thought into practical solutions, which come second nature to me. And so if I don't think in that low level, they think I am the stupid one. Does this happen to anyone else? Where they are so much smarter than the social normie that they come across as being perceived to social normies as dumb, because they can't understand you? But you can understand them and are often held up in concerning yourself with whether they will understand your frame of thinking?

I don't know man, this just pisses me off really tbh. I really feel being neurotypical is just acting in accordance with your looks and/or height and so what guys that are between 5'8-5'11 and normie looking (Like me but not what I do) do is compete in this social rat-race. It's this race to almost think with the most common sense. Everything is obvious and you are not slick by thinking about shit man. Thinking is for nerds. Even though I look nothing like a nerd and have a good voice. Chads I notice don't do this social rat-race shit. They quite funnily enough live a far more authentic existence and the notion that Chads are dumb and have no positive personality traits is utter nonsense I've seen.

Obviously not all social normies do this, but the ones that are particularly working class I've found do. They all seem sedated and on this wavelength that is presented to them. Almost like they are consumers of how to think, what to wear, how to walk, where to go. And yes albeit sometimes they will be right in what they say etc, I'd rather have control over my inner consciousness and choose whether saying something or doing something is relevant and/or the most optimal thing. I hate to sound like Andrew Tate but it really does remind me of what he harps on about, with social normies being plugged into a matrix.

 

[SoycuckGodOfReddit]

normies are hollow, and more about social status and performative conformity than substance

they generally don't care that much about truth, so they can easily ignore it or vault past it

 

[BeatingInceldom]

normies are hollow, and more about social status and performative conformity than substance

they generally don't care that much about truth, so they can easily ignore it or vault past it

Thing is if more people got on a wavelength that was less pretentious and more about truth and substance, suddenly guys like me would be neurotypical, lol. And better at socialising.

So the question is. Is it social normies that are the problem, or the social normies that I am hanging with? I guess what I am trying to say is, I don't like my friends/social circle.

 

[SocialzERo]

normies are hollow, and more about social status and performative conformity than substance

they generally don't care that much about truth, so they can easily ignore it or vault past it

 

[BeatingInceldom]

normies are hollow, and more about social status and performative conformity than substance

they generally don't care that much about truth, so they can easily ignore it or vault past it

I am not autistic or aspergers. I just don't wanna think like a square.

The more I experience life the more I realise being neurotypical is essentially being a square. A consumer.

Getting drunk = Sedating oneself so you fool yourself into believing you are having a good time. It's fun and everyone's having fun too. I'M CONNECTED

That's not authentic. You are not experiencing life truly.

 

[gummybearcel]

Normies have spent their entire life recieving validation and support for the way they act and look - perhaps not to the extent of chads but still enough to have considerable egos. This is the true meaning of 'confidence'.
Normies are desperate to fit in and engage in groupthink - most humans are. Incels and non-NTs are abberants, no matter how hard we tried the group would not accept us, so what point is there for us to engage in so-called 'fitting in', people like us never had to value social conformity because by default our looks and mentality made us radically nonconformist.

 

[BeatingInceldom]

Normies have spent their entire life recieving validation and support for the way they act and look - perhaps not to the extent of chads but still enough to have considerable egos. This is the true meaning of 'confidence'.
Normies are desperate to fit in and engage in groupthink - most humans are. Incels and non-NTs are abberants, no matter how hard we tried the group would not accept us, so what point is there for us to engage in so-called 'fitting in', people like us never had to value social conformity because by default our looks and mentality made us radically nonconformist.

Do you believe this was the case in the 1950s per say?

 

[SoycuckGodOfReddit]

Getting drunk = Sedating oneself so you fool yourself into believing you are having a good time. It's fun and everyone's having fun too. I'M CONNECTED

That's not authentic. You are not experiencing life truly.

100%

at this point, due to alcohol + dating apps, zoomerfoids are barely able to have a normal conversation. but society protects them and gives them higher status, so they almost always count as normal and can drift through life without an issue

lots of crutches, but fundamentally it just means they become characterless

 

[BeatingInceldom]

100%

at this point, due to alcohol + dating apps, zoomerfoids are barely able to have a normal conversation. but society protects them and gives them higher status, so they almost always count as normal and can drift through life without an issue

lots of crutches, but fundamentally it just means they become characterless

SO real.

I know a few normie guys that are utterly terrible with conversation. Horrendous and awkward.

They are struggling.

I am good with conversation, but not with my own generation, Gen Z (Largely because they suck) but with Millennials and X'ers it's different.

 

[PhilipBlake]

can't expect much from normfags

 

[Blackpill Monk]

normies are hollow, and more about social status and performative conformity than substance

they generally don't care that much about truth, so they can easily ignore it or vault past it

 

[GeckoBus]

There is a certain type of social normie, not all, but some, that try and make everything out to be common sense or obvious. Like you'll be involved in solving a problem with them around (Or in a group) and instead of sitting back for a moment and considering all the options possible intuitively and finding the most optimal answer, they will right-away JUMP and try and find the most simplistic route from the first thing that can come into their mind.

Yes, this is a big problem. They assume that a lot of things are just "givens" that everyone gets and understands. And if you disagree with that you are just wrong. This is especially true for value judgements that they get from their culture, or media.

Even if it's not within their remit of knowledge. What I notice is when they are fortunate to be on the mark with how sharp they were to spit it out of their mouths, they act all big and mighty and like they're above you because you were taking your time to think. But when it turned out they came up with a dumbass stupid answer/idea and you dismiss it by saying 'no because....' they will be all like; 'oh yeah of course, because blah blah and so on'.

It's this delusional fakeness that they frame their subconscious thinking to almost not even be aware of. They GENUINELY believe they are smarter, wiser, more practical especially and just far more well-rounded than anyone that doesn't subscribe to this common bullshit sense thinking. And the ones that do this the most, are none of these things. They just wear a social persona mask and try to fit that persona to the context of the situation.

They don't really care about thinking itself or what you say. It's just a mogging contest, they use knowledge as a weapon to overpower people by sounding smart. You can easily tell when they do it, especially the more intellectual ones, because they will start dropping complex terminology for no reason suddenly. That means you threatened their ego.

There is never a reason to use terminology, you can use plain english to explain complex things easily. It's a form of relational aggression to use obscure language and then claim the other person is stupid for not understand specific terms linked to specific concepts, which they have never been exposed to. You could also describe the same concept by means of analogy or metaphor, so everyone could reason it out, but they don do that because that would mean they would have to be courteous to the other person.

It's war, plain and simple. This stifles any conversation you can have with them. Everything is a fucking dick measuring contest.

I also find it very difficult to explain complex shit to dumbasses, that put great effort and thought into practical solutions, which come second nature to me. And so if I don't think in that low level, they think I am the stupid one. Does this happen to anyone else? Where they are so much smarter than the social normie that they come across as being perceived to social normies as dumb, because they can't understand you? But you can understand them and are often held up in concerning yourself with whether they will understand your frame of thinking?

I don't like calling myself smart or something. But I have run into that problem where you care too much about a subject and people think you are retarded for it yes. This is mostly because people's ultimate criteria for what matters in life is social applicability.
If it is useless on a social level, if they cant leverage it in a social setting to gain peoples attention and favor, they defacto view it as useless.

One example: You are into anime for the sake of it. You watch animes from like 30 year ago, you look into the history of animation, you are genuinely interested in the subject. Then you overhear a bunch of NT people talk about anime and falsely assume that they are like you.
When you talk to them you quickly learn that they are only interested in flavor-of-the-month shows and they don't care about animes that are old at all (no social value, nobody cares about old shows anymore).

This happens a lot. People care about whats culturally relevant (in their eyes).
However, as we live in a world of systems where all knowledge is connected and everything leads to another thing, there is simply no irrelevant knowledge. If you think hard enough about anything, you will find a way it relates to your life, or anything at all really.

But to NT people, this does not seem readily apparent. Take the example of history for example. We all live in cultures that have values that come from ancient times. Our law code is basically based on the roman law code. Our values are christian. Though most people would not consider themselves christian anymore, their entire value structure is christian.

Take for instance the idea that child murder is bad. This was not a given for 1000s of years, in fact most cultures did not value children at all until a certain age due to super high child mortality. Some cultures did not think of children as human beings with a soul until they were like 6 years old, so killing them before that was akin to stomping on a bug.

Similarly, the Aztecs did not value human life at all. Murder was expected, as was cannibalism. That was their norm.
If you talked to an Aztec NT-Person, he would probably think you are dumb for saying human sacrifice is wrong.

People are incapable of thinking outside of their cultural context and objectively assessing where they get their ideas from, and if these ideas are justified. And "i like it" or "i prefer it" is not a valid justification for why things are right/wrong or true/false.

I don't know man, this just pisses me off really tbh. I really feel being neurotypical is just acting in accordance with your looks and/or height and so what guys that are between 5'8-5'11 and normie looking (Like me but not what I do) do is compete in this social rat-race. It's this race to almost think with the most common sense. Everything is obvious and you are not slick by thinking about shit man. Thinking is for nerds. Even though I look nothing like a nerd and have a good voice. Chads I notice don't do this social rat-race shit. They quite funnily enough live a far more authentic existence and the notion that Chads are dumb and have no positive personality traits is utter nonsense I've seen.

Nothing is obvious. This is very crucial. Not even seemingly logical things like sense perception. Just look into Wilfried Sellars myth of the given and so on. Or david hume. There is a long tradiation of people questioning even the most basic parts of human perception.

Take for example the idea that your senses are reliable and give you accurate knowledge of the world around you.
How do you know that your senses are reliable?
By using your senses?
That would be circular reasoning and thats a fallacy.

So how do you know the external world is even real?

There are so many of these basic problems that people in day-to-day never think about and if you bring them up, they think its just "useless philosophizing." But its not. If you want to make a solid, valid and provable argument about something in the external world, but you cant even explain if the external world exists, then you cant make an argument about anything happening in the world without appealing to faith first ("we just have to assume the world exists or we cant argue" - that is faith -> "it just is bro").

The problem is, if "it just is" is a valid justification criteria in your worldview, then how would you object to your opponent just going, whelp, my argument just is bro. It just is.

There are many cases of "it just is" in peoples arguments nowadays, many many many.
And as you say, unfortunately they will just think you are dumb or crazy if you bring this up.
Common responses are things like:

"this is overthinking" - begs the question, why is overthinking a bad thing?
"nobody thinks like that" - appeal to consensus fallacy

Obviously not all social normies do this, but the ones that are particularly working class I've found do. They all seem sedated and on this wavelength that is presented to them. Almost like they are consumers of how to think, what to wear, how to walk, where to go. And yes albeit sometimes they will be right in what they say etc, I'd rather have control over my inner consciousness and choose whether saying something or doing something is relevant and/or the most optimal thing. I hate to sound like Andrew Tate but it really does remind me of what he harps on about, with social normies being plugged into a matrix.

You have to be careful when you think people say the right things sometimes.
People may verbally say something you agree with, but that does not mean they

a) understand it conceptually
b) value it for the same reasons you do

I have run into this problem where sometimes people say things that I agree with, but it turned out they were just saying it like a platitude, to sound smart. They dont actually believe it or understand it.

Word-Concept fallacy is very important here, people will use the same words and phrases but refer to completely different things. You have to be careful not to jump to conclusions about the person based on the limited info you get from how they portrait themselves.

 

[slashER]

normies are hollow, and more about social status and performative conformity than substance

they generally don't care that much about truth, so they can easily ignore it or vault past it