Fakecel thought he was an incel jfl
what are ur thoughts? @InMemoriam
Speaking at the age of almost 30 - - - I feel like there is this elephant in the room that adults like to ignore, which is misogyny and sexism among minors. Adults like to act like children and minors cannot do wrong and then have a rapid onset of magical bigotry when they become adults. We rather pretend that children have wise little hearts who see past our petty prejudices (which is often true for really young kids. But the truth is...kids learn really quickly from their parents and their environments and parrot and imitate what they think is the right thing to say to get a positive remark. Studies find boys thinking badly of girls and girls feeling insecure about being girls as early as kindergarten age. I can even personally attest to that - I was hugely "I'm not like other girls!" in kindergarten. I refused to wear dresses, wear pink or even play with girls - and I think that was partially because I come from a household which mostly consists of women and had a lot of real-life role-models of women. So for me, all those girls showing up in pink dresses with glitter stuff and all those cartoon giggle-y girls and stereotypical girl in shows were (to my kid-mind) either idiots or doing this on purpose and making me look silly with them.
The truth is, children carry a lot of bigotry around with them. And I don't just mean boys and misogyny but e.g. think about how rampant and open homophobia or ableism or racism is among teenagers.
By the time kids are teenagers, a lot of misogyny is happening. I know how vile it was in my school era, despite the red pill and Andy Tate not being a thing then. We had teachers openly saying that girls can't do math, we had teachers famous for touching us - and the boys learnt and parroted and they mixed with all the cruel brutality of teenage boys - which meant physical sexualised assaults, explicit commentary, photos from porn mags being put on the walls in classroom. AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU WERE LIKE THAT OR DID THESE THINGS WHEN (almost) YOU SLIPPED INTO THAT RABBIT HOLE - but I think that as long as we live in a society that has prejudices (which I think is fair to say we do) and even the most well-meaning, progressive person has come into contact with these stereotypes and even if they're working against it - these narratives live in the back of their mind. We are aware of them. And they are aware of when they see them confirmed. And you might feel super-bad when you meet a person that actually fits that stereotype and you think of it - but that's just how our mind works and the only thing that helps against that is context and knowledge and education.
We also know that if there are a lot people saying a certain thing - even if there is no actual evidence for it being true - we are more likely to take it seriously and believe them. Like when 10 people tell you homoeopathy works, it might get to the point where even the most reasonable person feels a pang of doubt or like this is a debatable position somehow.
-> And here is where I get to the issue you are describing: I believe that this is kind of what happens when even reasonably educated and well-meaning people get into contact with groups which will take any random bit of "evidence" (often altered or manufactured) or just...random highly specific examples and present them as the ....default standard for the group they're hating on. That's what racists do when they use very negative examples to vilify a group. That's what happens problems caused by poverty are made about demographic groups that suffer high rates of poverty. And this is what incels do with women - they will find the 1 woman who says 'if ur short DON'T WRIGHT TIO ME!!!!" in her bio and act like this is a common experience. Or they will take any statistics about dating and marriage that fit their agenda (obviously ignoring all those that contradict their agenda or disprove the statistics they like) and be like: "DIDN'T I TELL YOU!". Or create fake diagrammes or statistics of their own and be like: SEE! We Told YOU WOMEN BAD!
-> And even a well-meaning person (especially a young person, no offence) will have all those narratives and stereotypes at the back of their mind which also informed the incel agenda - and they will have moments of "huh, I guess maybe there is some truth to it." (and often they already do believ some of these things).
What happens next is that this person receives positive feedback from the group. They will see more content like that (especially now in the days of algorithms) They will get new stereotypes and prejudices inserted into the back of their mind which they sooner or later will also see confirmed by the echo chamber. AND: These groups also tend to destroy a person's self esteem. Destructive groups have 1 core message: "You're nothing without us and without our ideology, every non-believer is hopeless and we're your true friends." - and what happens is that if you spout radical hateful nonsense...other people will like you less. It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The way I see it, red pill and incel-dom is making a lot of stuff explicit that was previously implicit. Traditional misogyny needn't be explicit. It was consensus that women are silly giggly little home-makers whose brain no think so good. But this certainty has been corroded over the last century. Even the most conservative, misogynistic groups are basically radically progressive compared to the people back in the day who believed women shouldn't vote or have a bank account. But changes like this also always create a lot of uncertainty for underperformers who are part of the privileged group. For most of history, a lot of men could suck and fail as much as they liked, they could still take comfort in the fact that they're better than a woman, that some woman would be forced to marry them and be their live-in doormat and bed-warmer who can't say no - and that they can humiliate her for that.
These days, these same men might have a female boss. They might have a female Chancellor or prime minister or president (unless they're American). And then they also might not get laid (and for misogynistic men, sleeping with a woman is a lot like getting her to cook a meal: It means 'owning' her and because she's letting herself be 'owned', she's lesser). Without that, they're suddenly rock bottom. They're below women, for crying out loud. (I think this is also why incels get so mad about 'simps' ruining the 'dating market' and 'making 3s feel like 10s' or whatever. They wouldn't worry about that if they were 'winning'.
As for the future: I think that a lot of guys who will play with these concepts and ideas will grow out of it naturally. A lot of them are...really young. And I mean older than you, but still really young. They will be like "the west has fallen, society has ended" bc they're 20 without a girlfriend, then at 21 they get a girlfriend and calm their asses down. Some will be really late bloomers but they'll be fine. I think the ones that really double down on this are the minority. The radical centre of any hate group. And I don't think their ideas are going to appeal to the majority because the majority doesn't have the time or mental energy to get invested in all their "lore" and their explicit bigotry makes people uncomfortable. And even among those radicals, I think most will fall in line in public to be able to maintain a job and a social life. The will just talk big on the internet.
I do think that for the next few years, we will see a lot more explicit misogynistic content because right now, this is a profitable business. And once that dies, a lot of the red pill ideology will die too. I think some thoughts and expressions will linger for a while in public consciousness - but again, speaking from my age, just like my generation has these people who say "haha remember my MAGA racist nazi phase in 2013 wow we all did that, that was cringe" (I mean, kudos on getting better but don't act like it's normal) your generation will have people in 2030 saying "haha remember when we were listening to that coked up weirdo Andrew Tate and hating on women???"
But honestly, I think that's a minor symptom - a sudden flash of hot fever in a long-term illness. The real issue is the implicit misogyny that is part of our (and every) culture around the world which is the feeding ground for the same narratives incels use.
The truth is, children carry a lot of bigotry around with them. And I don't just mean boys and misogyny but e.g. think about how rampant and open homophobia or ableism or racism is among teenagers.
By the time kids are teenagers, a lot of misogyny is happening. I know how vile it was in my school era, despite the red pill and Andy Tate not being a thing then. We had teachers openly saying that girls can't do math, we had teachers famous for touching us - and the boys learnt and parroted and they mixed with all the cruel brutality of teenage boys - which meant physical sexualised assaults, explicit commentary, photos from porn mags being put on the walls in classroom. AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU WERE LIKE THAT OR DID THESE THINGS WHEN (almost) YOU SLIPPED INTO THAT RABBIT HOLE - but I think that as long as we live in a society that has prejudices (which I think is fair to say we do) and even the most well-meaning, progressive person has come into contact with these stereotypes and even if they're working against it - these narratives live in the back of their mind. We are aware of them. And they are aware of when they see them confirmed. And you might feel super-bad when you meet a person that actually fits that stereotype and you think of it - but that's just how our mind works and the only thing that helps against that is context and knowledge and education.
We also know that if there are a lot people saying a certain thing - even if there is no actual evidence for it being true - we are more likely to take it seriously and believe them. Like when 10 people tell you homoeopathy works, it might get to the point where even the most reasonable person feels a pang of doubt or like this is a debatable position somehow.
-> And here is where I get to the issue you are describing: I believe that this is kind of what happens when even reasonably educated and well-meaning people get into contact with groups which will take any random bit of "evidence" (often altered or manufactured) or just...random highly specific examples and present them as the ....default standard for the group they're hating on. That's what racists do when they use very negative examples to vilify a group. That's what happens problems caused by poverty are made about demographic groups that suffer high rates of poverty. And this is what incels do with women - they will find the 1 woman who says 'if ur short DON'T WRIGHT TIO ME!!!!" in her bio and act like this is a common experience. Or they will take any statistics about dating and marriage that fit their agenda (obviously ignoring all those that contradict their agenda or disprove the statistics they like) and be like: "DIDN'T I TELL YOU!". Or create fake diagrammes or statistics of their own and be like: SEE! We Told YOU WOMEN BAD!
-> And even a well-meaning person (especially a young person, no offence) will have all those narratives and stereotypes at the back of their mind which also informed the incel agenda - and they will have moments of "huh, I guess maybe there is some truth to it." (and often they already do believ some of these things).
What happens next is that this person receives positive feedback from the group. They will see more content like that (especially now in the days of algorithms) They will get new stereotypes and prejudices inserted into the back of their mind which they sooner or later will also see confirmed by the echo chamber. AND: These groups also tend to destroy a person's self esteem. Destructive groups have 1 core message: "You're nothing without us and without our ideology, every non-believer is hopeless and we're your true friends." - and what happens is that if you spout radical hateful nonsense...other people will like you less. It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The way I see it, red pill and incel-dom is making a lot of stuff explicit that was previously implicit. Traditional misogyny needn't be explicit. It was consensus that women are silly giggly little home-makers whose brain no think so good. But this certainty has been corroded over the last century. Even the most conservative, misogynistic groups are basically radically progressive compared to the people back in the day who believed women shouldn't vote or have a bank account. But changes like this also always create a lot of uncertainty for underperformers who are part of the privileged group. For most of history, a lot of men could suck and fail as much as they liked, they could still take comfort in the fact that they're better than a woman, that some woman would be forced to marry them and be their live-in doormat and bed-warmer who can't say no - and that they can humiliate her for that.
These days, these same men might have a female boss. They might have a female Chancellor or prime minister or president (unless they're American). And then they also might not get laid (and for misogynistic men, sleeping with a woman is a lot like getting her to cook a meal: It means 'owning' her and because she's letting herself be 'owned', she's lesser). Without that, they're suddenly rock bottom. They're below women, for crying out loud. (I think this is also why incels get so mad about 'simps' ruining the 'dating market' and 'making 3s feel like 10s' or whatever. They wouldn't worry about that if they were 'winning'.
As for the future: I think that a lot of guys who will play with these concepts and ideas will grow out of it naturally. A lot of them are...really young. And I mean older than you, but still really young. They will be like "the west has fallen, society has ended" bc they're 20 without a girlfriend, then at 21 they get a girlfriend and calm their asses down. Some will be really late bloomers but they'll be fine. I think the ones that really double down on this are the minority. The radical centre of any hate group. And I don't think their ideas are going to appeal to the majority because the majority doesn't have the time or mental energy to get invested in all their "lore" and their explicit bigotry makes people uncomfortable. And even among those radicals, I think most will fall in line in public to be able to maintain a job and a social life. The will just talk big on the internet.
I do think that for the next few years, we will see a lot more explicit misogynistic content because right now, this is a profitable business. And once that dies, a lot of the red pill ideology will die too. I think some thoughts and expressions will linger for a while in public consciousness - but again, speaking from my age, just like my generation has these people who say "haha remember my MAGA racist nazi phase in 2013 wow we all did that, that was cringe" (I mean, kudos on getting better but don't act like it's normal) your generation will have people in 2030 saying "haha remember when we were listening to that coked up weirdo Andrew Tate and hating on women???"
But honestly, I think that's a minor symptom - a sudden flash of hot fever in a long-term illness. The real issue is the implicit misogyny that is part of our (and every) culture around the world which is the feeding ground for the same narratives incels use.
i don't have any thoughts left
most retards are fakecel retarded motherfuckers people should require to see face to be accepted because its retarded how many fake people are here
90% of forum is composed of fake retards
90% of forum is composed of fake retards
Top comment in that thread ''I don't have answers''
The solution to inceldom is simple: affection, intimacy, pussy, sex.
If women continue to be Chad only and tell subhuman men they are not entitled to the basic human needs of affection and sex, then the incel problem will get worse. Simple as that, nothing else to say.
The solution to inceldom is simple: affection, intimacy, pussy, sex.
If women continue to be Chad only and tell subhuman men they are not entitled to the basic human needs of affection and sex, then the incel problem will get worse. Simple as that, nothing else to say.
They do not belong here.
These retards don't know the difference between an actual incel and a normie going through a dry spell.
brutali don't have any thoughts left
What a self centered pos. It's mind blowing how in all of that she didn't mention men's suffering or feelings of inadequacy (from incels to normies), not even once, or when she hinted at it it was just to demonize. She goes on a rant about average guys that would have had a wife back in the day, implying that they're not good enough now, because that's feminism right ? We're equal but we still have to earn more than them or they consider us lesser beings, but that's somehow not a problem especially in a system where boys are at disadvantage in school (personaly dropped out at fuckin 12)
and the way she automatically equates those average guys from the past to misogynists says a lot about her bias.Also when she mentions the more radical fringe, well what does she fucking think ? It's the truest of cels, the ones that would struggle even if they were rich and socially well adjusted. But that's not an issue i guess ? They can just kill themselves or silently die in agony, while people like her hope all the discourse just goes quiet, nothing to see here. What an evil whore.
Those retards don't even know the definition of a incel.
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