Right off the bat classic ad hominem. mentioning .org and hexum and gray to try invalidate my points. I’ve known about all 3 of the major forums for years now — .is, .net, .org. You are not infallible just because you’re a 2025cel. I was probably lurking before you even made an account. I’ve been an incel my entire life and I’ve known my status as an oppressed individual and disenfranchised man very clearly around 2022, which is when I started lurking. I don’t mention it because appealing to tradition is foolish, and you don’t have any actual counter arguments other than attacking my character. But let’s continue.
Your whole defense is “it’s just hope bro” and semantics about planning vs hoping. But look at your own quotes:
• “Well I plan to marry a girl in my specific church denomination, or a girl from Vanuatu once I move over.”
• Building a house there, “I have a year or so before I move”, transferring uni online, waiting for the 10 year residency visa.
• Specific standards: younger than 18 hopefully, no pierced ears, unwesternized Christian etc.
That’s not vague “someday” cope. That’s set in stone geomaxxing that transcends the territory of just hoping and dreaming, into acctually moving and planning with timelines and money invested. You even said church girls here want nothing to do with you but you have this overseas pipeline ready.
You yourself posted before that if someone has plans to geomaxx and arrange marriage they’re fakecel. You fit that exactly. Volcel/fakecel isn’t “I have a gf right now”. It’s treating ascension as realistic with steps in motion while being picky about age/ears/religion.
Tagging all your friends and saying it’s sad doesn’t erase the screenshots. The blackpill isn’t a popularity contest it isn’t who has the most forum members on their side it’s the irrefutable fact that you won’t even be welcomed here on this forum the time your plans are finished, as you wouldn’t be an incel.
“Now don't get me wrong, I dislike drama and believe it is a feminine concept - but this is something I feel the need to address.”
Another ad hominem.
“Well I plan to marry a girl in my specific church denomination, or a girl from Vanuatu once I move over. Neither of them would be deluded/modernised enough to undergo procedures.”
The biggest thing that can get misconstrued here is you have the word plan. It’s not a matter of discernment when you have active measures in place to ascend. What is someone to make of this statement of where not only are you planning on ascending, but you believe that you have the quantity of women to chose from where they would both not have surgery, that last sentence implies you have women in abundance who have some sort of traditional value, whether it’s hypothetical or not, it’s not blackpilled. How can you call yourself a truecel but believe you can ascend? Either your delirious and don’t understand the core concepts of what it actually entails to be an incel or you are accrual a fakecel who has set plans in motion to ascend, which one is it?
“And having said that, I wouldn't even want to marry someone who has gotten their ears pierced for same reasons as mentioned above. That would be practical in Vanuatu, but I might have to lower the standard for Australia sadly. Not that anything would change if I did haha.”
“I also plan on marrying someone who is a lot younger than me (and they wouldn't have considered it then either). Hopefully younger than 18.”
“Yes well that leads back to the point again - being in the world, but not of the world.
It is hard to go to clubs or parties and not be of the world.”
Such baseline theology too, niggas read ONE CS Lewis book.
“All of this so far is pretty tame, that is until he starts contacting moderators”
If you can read you would know that I said two highly esteemed forum members agree with me, that doesn’t mean moderators, use your discernment. I don’t see how it applies what authority is called into play here either. The rules of this forum still apply and the definition of a truecel, wouldn’t apply to you upon building your house and moving, completing the visa and everything else, and ascending. If you follow that course to its natural conclusion all that would wait you is your islander wife and a permanent.
those being the two you tagged, as in they agreed with if you act out your long term plans and ascend, then you are no longer welcome here, it would be a permanent ban, what else can I say on the matter? You also constantly appeal to authority, appeal to tradition and ad populum, three common fallacies all at play, great points bro!
“That is the end for that thread:
I think it is an IQ thing too, when differentiating between what you hope to accomplish, between what you WILL accomplish. I hope to someday find a worthy wife/ascend just like any other user on the forum, but whether it will happen are 2 very different things. I sure hope it will happen.”
Except you do not make the separation of what you wish to achieve and what are you attempting to achieve.
The keyword again here is plan, you don’t say you hope you will get a life, you say plan, and you also have methods in place that will ensure it goes beyond just basic pipedreams in your Aussie basement,
I’m not gonna address yet another ad hominem, I also don’t believe you are able to speak on any one else’s iq on this forum. We have more fallacies and ad hominems so far than actual arguments at this point but there is a clear discernment needed, one you didn’t make. Your original text doesn’t say “hope to” it says “plan to” you plan to ascend, you plan to geomaxx, your in the process of doing that, yes it may take some time but that doesn’t mean you are not putting the pieces together to attempt to ascend, and have sex, even if it’s with some ugly village idiot, it’s still ascension , no matter how long it takes, no matter your “intent” behind building a house on an untouched island, the message is clear, you will not be an incel in maybe a years time that’s the issue, the issue isn’t discerning the two the issue is that you haven’t been able to separate your hopes and dreams from reality, or making it reality. You’re building a house on vanatu for the sole purpose of sexual exploitation of the locals there, which I’m not against, but you need to name it as what it is: which is geomaxxing. Geomaxxing which may take a year, but Geomaxxing regardless. Case in point. Also I haven’t seen other users talk about their ascension plans whatsoever I don’t think anyone who is truly blackpilled thinks they can ascend so idk what your on.
about. He continues:
“First of all, I want to make clear: wanting to ascend or get married ≠ being fakecel, nor volcel for that matter.”
“Second, Farang (who joined 2 days ago at this point), is calling for fakecels to be exposed, banning of users, etc etc. Like I said, I don't like getting caught up in drama (as it is for females) “
Two fallacies in one here, goldmine. First appealing to tradition and then another ad hominem. How about actually trying to dissect my argument?
“You are not an incel if you haven’t tried to ascend” wouldn’t it be the opposite? Unless you’re still bluepilled about reality you don’t attempt to ascend, you know your place. You can call me miserable for that but it’s the truth, if you know your a truecel you don’t go out cold approaching 100 women, you don’t build houses to later geomaxx to, you don’t do any of the PUA tactics if you know your truly ugly, and if it’s situational, if you can ascend with any of those methods, than you were never an incel to begin with! It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp
“I was laughing to myself at this point, he quotes me on what I have been telling him the whole time. Regarding planning to get married/ascend some day and that many other users obviously want to as well if they are on incels.is for goodness sake.”
I don’t see what’s humorous about telling users openly that you aren’t even an incel?
There’s a key distinction between wanting to and planning to, again, many users few have a desire to be married, but many users also don’t set up to build a house and move for the sole reason to. It’s bewildering to me we still have this guy here, when do we draw the line? When he finally moves and gets a wife on that island? At this point in time we are just anticipating until that day comes because it’s already set in stone his Geomaxxing plans.
“Once again makes another false allegation, and shifts my version of "planning" to his version of "planning". You can see the context above”
How have I made an allegation against you that doesn’t adhere to what you’re acctually saying? Read between the lines of your own text and look what you are insinuating.
“I would like to add more, but you get the idea anyways. The next few screenshots were just about contacts with the moderators anyways.”
So that’s the end of his actual text and response but here is his final point.
He links a thread posted by the mod Ryo_Hazuki about the playbook of a troll, and the various methods the deploy.
I’ll respond to this but first let’s hear Sir Silentiums own words, shall we?
“I was semi-trolling, as many grays have made up ridiculous allegations towards me in the past.”
“Fooled him with the fake Master screenshot kek:”
I don’t know how anyone can call me a troll when this guy is sending fabricated screenshots of those who in charge, make it make sense. Now let’s get to the meat and the potato’s of what makes this so ironic, the post he mentions is https://incels.is/threads/the-playb...ause-some-of-you-really-need-to-learn.874160/
Now, you can go and read the post but what are the key points it says?
Fake extreme truecel stats — Claim to be sub-3 (very ugly), extremely short (often <5’4”), with usernames like “@sub5ricemale” for credibility.
He even DMed me a selfie right after I made the initial thread (I won’t post it here because I’m not trying to break the no-selfie / doxxing rules).
Why would a “truecel” who claims sending face pics is dangerous suddenly DM one to the guy calling him out? It doesn’t prove anything — it just shows he’s willing to break his own OPSEC when it helps his reputation. Exactly the kind of inconsistent behavior Ryo warned about in the troll playbook.
2. Use those fake creds to gatekeep — Attack others as “fakecels” from a position of “superior trueceldom.”
This along with the several character attacks and ad hominems he makes against me, makes his intent clear as day, use his supposed deformity to leverage it over real arguments.
6. Leverage sympathy — The fake truecel status makes users defend them.
Now this is the kicker. In the post, Ryo talks about naive users who fall for these trolls and who end up defending them based off their merit of their supposed truecel status. With wonkycliff, He became the textbook example in mod Ryo_Hazuki’s “troll playbook” thread. Ryo then made a point on how gullible users fall for these charlatans. In the mod Ryo_Hazuki’s “troll playbook” thread, Chud Norris72 is explicitly named and screenshot-called out as the poster child for gullible defenders. After Lilwonkycliffy53 (wonkycliff) got permabanned for the obvious height-shrinking + fake grooming story arc, Chud posted “FREE HIM” on the banned user’s profile. Let’s look at who else @Chud Norris72 is defending, shall we?
This goes back to Ryo’s point two
2. Use those fake creds to gatekeep — Attack others as “fakecels” from a position of “superior trueceldom.”
Aswell as
6. Leverage sympathy — The fake truecel status makes users defend them.
In the wonkycliff case, Chud posted “FREE HIM” after the obvious height-shrinking troll got banned. Mod Ryo directly tagged him as an example of naive autistic incels who fall for fake extreme truecel claims and defend larpers. Now look at today:
• Chud is jumping in to defend Silentium against me.
• Pushing the “he clearly has incelish features” while shielding Silentium’s geomaxx plans.
This is textbook playbook point 6: Leverage sympathy — the “fellow truecel under attack” framing makes users like Chud rush to defend, even when the quotes (plan to marry + build house in Vanuatu + picky standards + “easy to find a mate there”) scream fakecel / troll behavior. I don’t know how you can take it as anything other than a troll when he has professed already he is a troll and “gray hazer” maybe they do that in the outback but not on .is
It also ties into point 2: Use those fake creds to gatekeep. Silentium built his reputation as a long-time “truecel Christcuck,” which now lets him (and defenders like Chud) dismiss any fakecel scrutiny as “new gray troll drama” instead of addressing the screenshots. Instead of attacking my points and rebutting them he attacks my character and uses his selfies as a way to leverage his supposed deformity to gain sympathy from gullible users
The pattern is repeating live:
• Wonkycliff used fake ultra-truecel stats → Chud defended him.
• Silentium uses long-term reputation + “just hope bro” semantics while having active geomaxx plans → Chud defends him again.
This is exactly why Ryo made that “must-read” thread. The same naive little chud defenders keep falling for it. Users like Norris aren’t malicious — they’re just the easily manipulated type the playbook preys on. They see someone with “truecel cred” getting called out and immediately jump to sympathy mode instead of looking at the actual quotes and actions. Classic example of what Ryo warned of us, but yet we are still here. The biggest irony is him linking that post when the situation is only applicable to him, and not not me, classic projection.
I guess, there isn’t much to say but maybe in this hour we can look to scripture.
