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i’m both short, autistic and ugly. It’s downright over for me.
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That's where panpsychism comes in. It kinda splits there. It says consciousness has no effect on our physical actions but since natural selections removes useless 'features', consciousness must have a role. It kinda implies that every physical thing in our world has consciousness, like rocks and everything but since they don't have a brain to 'assimilate' the consciousness, it doesn't feel anything. It's like consciousness being a 'support' for the brain of some sort. Like the ability to live or to feel living. It implies that creator is a necessary too since something so complex but useless for survival must be created.
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The problem begins when we look at the huge number of unconscious processes that occur in the brain. That is, consciousness is not simply accumulated by the brain, but either filled, or given a special form and fairly strict boundaries (which are violated during the experience of altered states of consciousness). The nervous system purposefully organizes mental processes that we are aware of. After all, the brain is the most energy-consuming organ, and selection in conditions of competition and deficit could not support useless gimmicks.
We are aware of our awareness, special states and a special perspective of our inner life, which means this bridge must lie somewhere.
Is it possible to talk about a role outside of causality? Someone more romantic and idealistic would say that consciousness is associated with freedom and indeterminism, but I am not that person.
It is also no secret that the mind far exceeds the urgent needs of our ancestors. Not only conscious experience, but the ability to know is exceptional and raises the question of the properties and connections in the Universe where intelligent beings can appear.
Of course, these things are used as an argument in favor of the creator, the so-called fine-tuning of the Universe, the anthropic principle, etc.
Being NT is a great advantage, for decades I didn't consider myself as autistic, but it seem I might be and it explains a lot...Not the super genius autistic unfortunately
Ngl, i stopped the music reading this to assimilate it. I might be getting IQmogged atm.
Yes if we go by panpsychism, the brain filters useless for us information and just sends the most 'intriguing' of some kind. I mean now as i think about it if we go with this way of thinking we come to the result that our brains are perfected for us to only experience the living without needing to care or thinking how fast should our hearts beat when we exercise for example. Of course that's it if we take in as granted that panpsychism implies there is a creator or we are the creators and made this universe for us to have some experiences.
This sounds kind of far-fetched though. If panpsychism is true that would mean that every animal has these thoughts appearing in their head too but we wouldn't know. It's not impossible, for example Nikola Tesla or Newton have thoughts that most people couldn't even comprehend and for example some Somalian might have thoughts only for getting food and head lol. So that means that consciousness (again if we go by panpsychism) doesn't necessarily need intelligence to exist, so that would mean animals have consciousness too. Or it might have a 'bar' of intelligence which should be surpassed for consciousness to exist, BUT (another but) we take as an example a person with Down's syndrome, they have an iq of ~60, they basically think in basics just like animals but they have consciousness.
Tbh, i don't know how i got to animals having or not having consciousness.
If i go back to brain filtering information that is not useful for the conscious mind (such as heart pumping rate again), let's say we had all these thoughts - control heart beat etc, it would make your head a mess so that you would die from a predator in a fast acting situation, so you get naturally selected. That way only the most useful information persists but i think that would take many more years of evolution and probably life wouldn't start as everything would just die at the start.
So again, i come back to the fine tuning of the brain by a creator. I don't know if i somehow added value to your information or just continued somewhere in my own world of thinking lol. As a whole our brains and probably brains of animals are tuned to perfection in order for consciousness to be possible.
At the end, does it really make a difference? Even if we know all that unless there is heaven and hell nothing will change. Everybody will just keep going doing what they do but knowing there is a creator. Probably less fear of death but fear by itself is a physiological reaction so you can't avoid it by just trying to think your way out of it (simply because those thoughts won't even cross your mind at that time lol).
Well, if you were really handsome, you'd get a gf. Handsome face overrides neurodivergency. So, i guess you're really more autistic if you think you are good looking.
There are several alternatives, one of which is that the Universe was predisposed to the development of self-aware intelligent beings, and the other is that the Universe has properties that allow the development of self-aware intelligent beings.
In the second case, selection stumbled upon consciousness when the branches of animals and plants separated, and animals needed a special control system, different from the intracellular one, because the muscles that provide mobility need control and sensory information. I do not think that trees are conscious any more than stones. But animals, growing an increasingly sophisticated nervous system, became. Any unwanted interference of consciousness in the functioning of the body's systems was cut off by natural selection.
I think that for primitive creatures the role of consciousness was and remains limited. It did not hinder rather than help, arising as an epiphenomenon of the development of a nervous system capable of coordinated actions, analysis and generalization of sensory information.
It is like a small drop - yes, it can wear away a stone, but it will take years. But what if you have a raging stream?
Primates, as animals with very effective oxygen exchange, warm-bloodedness, omnivorousness - were able to grow huge brains in relative size (whales have more, but a large part of the brain is responsible for tactile sensitivity and the motor sphere - since whales are huge).
This was helped by the fact that the ancestors of primates climbed trees, lost olfactory receptors, which reduced the corresponding part of the brain and gave the opportunity for others to grow. They develop binocular vision, a grasping hand and a complex form of coordination associated with the fact that they must not only jump on branches, but on swaying branches (squirrels, for example, who spend a lot of time in trees, have small brains, but they also jump on straight pine branches).
Then the Miocene cooling sets in. Artiodactyls appear, which trample savannas in Africa. The tropics are shrinking and some primates are moving to the savannas. Where they develop upright posture and carnivory (they were scavengers before hunters - but still, they ate nutritious meat - at the same time, this became a prerequisite for tool activity).
A lot of other interesting things are happening, like the most severe selection, when these small animals, which do not have large fangs or claws, become the main food source for many animals - from giant mandrill-like monkeys to giant snakes, crocodiles and saber-toothed tigers. They literally specialized in eating our distant ancestors.
The most brainy survived. Maybe the most conscious, who felt alive more strongly and clung to life?
And here again, you can see either a guiding hand, or a very long and painstaking selection process. Or both together.
As for filters - you know about synesthetes, people who perceive the color of music or who see numbers or letters with an associated color. That is, there is variability in how our internal boundaries lie.
Something similar, in addition to psychopathology, is revealed by altered states of consciousness caused either by religious practice or traumatic events, such as clinical death, or taking psychedelics.
These boundaries are not immutable, as is our sense of self.
They also concern the perception of our body, again, well-known examples of phantom limbs and impaired perception of one's body (when people try to cut off their own leg, because they do not feel it as part of themselves).
If people know for sure that there is life after death... Maybe someone will immediately jump out the window. And someone will not change, because this knowledge, as you correctly noted, will not make a psychopath empathic. In the end, apparently it is our experience, as it is, that has some value.
P.S. There are probably quite a few mistakes or inaccuracies here, the post is long and I haven't double-checked it.
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Stopped reading. Kill yourself.
I have no fucking idea what to say not going to lie. I mean obviously you stated facts that i can't argue with or can't add anything more except that humans at first ate carcass primarily the bone marrow (i read this in a book, don't know how accurate is it).
I can only ask what if we all had consciousness from the start of the world. Every atom, molecule having consciousness. I think i am repeating myself with the previous post tho as what if every animal has consciousness but consciousness != self aware. Like, self aware is just a product of our intelligence and not necessarily of our consciousness. Like i imagine it like that - imagine a npc in a game, they have some commands and some borders of thinking capacity when and what should they do, now imagine that's us. We have the biggest borders on whole planet but we are still NPCs, now add consciousness - think of it like some kind of spectating mechanism, like you are only spectating what your body is doing. You are viewing its thoughts. That's how at first I thought of it when was reading about panpsychism. It's like if determinism is real and everything is basically already going to happen how it's supposed to happen and we don't have free will, we just spectate our bodies and have the ILLUSION of having control over it. Again in this logic it's like we were created just to have an illusion of experience.
Now, is it like what you called it - epiphenomenon, being there as a byproduct of the intelligence (not just humans' but monkeys, whales, ants, etc.) i have no idea, obv panpsychism is against that (depends on how you view it tbh) but it makes sense too. As far as i know the most mainstream accepted theory is that - that it is a byproduct of the intelligence.
I had seen an article this year that plants actually do feel pain or at least know pain. If they know pain, is it possible that... Man i don't know what am i even saying rn, it's way too late here. I wanted to say that they have consciousness but that would imply that consciousness is somehow involved in feeling pain.
Also, my way of thinking involves some kind of hope that there is a creator so there is that too. But honestly, having all this around us for absolutely no sense makes zero sense (lol). Like everything in the Universe is so logical and then why does it exist - well, for no reason bro. :d
Sorry for bad grammar wherever there are errors and such, i am not native and i don't know how my logic follows.
EDIT: Also, why not the universe having the capacity of having creatures with self-awareness. I mean as long as it follows the physics rules, it's permitted as to say haha. We don't break the system by living by its rules. In fact it might be even stranger to not have being with self awareness in a universe where it's possible. Imagine 13+ billion years in and not having a creature with self-awareness. How did it develop, i think that side is just purely nutrition. Again, i say nutrition because i don't necessarily imply consciousness means self-awareness.
EDIT 2: I just realized i am talking absolute non sense as consciousness is literally self awareness. I got stuck in some thought loop where for some reason i thought that self awareness means the thoughts of asking why we live, etc. Like the deep questions lmao. I am a fucking retard.
EDIT 3: Anyway, i think my sayings are still valid to a certain extent because cats for example can have consciousness AND STILL the fucking plants having consciousness too, me and those fucking plants. Like why not, if we can't measure consciousness in humans, how can we say plants don't have it.
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@Paladin does he moga you
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that's btw the grandfather of Alain Delon
I read it. Don't worry about the grammar. Yeah, it's a bit late. We had a nice chat, maybe we'll continue it sometime if you don't get banned.
yeah, i've been approached by woman before but my autism gives them the ick but in my opinion to be an actual incel the requisite of autism is obligatory, otherwise you're simply a failed normie.
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Keep coping. Height really doesn't matter because the average height is increasing and there's such a thing as tall AND good-looking. A woman doesn't have to sacrifice looks to get a tall man, there's plenty of good looking n tall Chads and Tyrones. I'll even go out on a limb and say I see alot of women sacrifice height to get a good looking dude who is around their height (5'5-5'8). You never see a goofy tall incel with a good-looking chick or any chick for that matter. The height obsession stems from shortcels who use their height as an excuse for their lack of success when it's their FACE. Back2school is proof of this and he isn't even Chad tier he's normie tier......
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Dude got banned for both rip
mogged by autists again
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