You are either born a slayer or an incel

[Jockcel]

If you have game, you can get laid even as a 5/10. The problem is, you're born with game/social skills, it CANNOT be learned. I speak out of experience. I've seen many below average guys with qt girlfriends, they were all extremely well-versed in social skills and game. I've watched my twin cousins grow up. From the beginning, I KNEW which one was going to be Chad.

 

[dr-problematic]

this right here

preach the truth

 

[neetvolcel]

Nah theres plenty of people that have gone from total virgins to ULTRA chads, maybe it does not work for everyone but some people certainly have enough good genetics to change.

 

[Jockcel]

Nah theres plenty of people that have gone from total virgins to ULTRA chads, maybe it does not work for everyone but some people certainly have enough good genetics to change.

As an autist, you only get laid if you're at least 9/10 in looks. Being a sperg is a death sentence for 99% of males.

 

[soulcell]

If you can learn how to read, you can learn how to play with women.

 

[Jockcel]

If you can learn how to read, you can learn how to play with women.

Interacting with women and dating them is as hard as rocket science, it's just that for most people it comes naturally, like walking. If you're born sperg, you rot.

 

[jamho22]

If you have game, you can get laid even as a 5/10. The problem is, you're born with game/social skills, it CANNOT be learned. I speak out of experience. I've seen many below average guys with qt girlfriends, they were all extremely well-versed in social skills and game. I've watched my twin cousins grow up. From the beginning, I KNEW which one was going to be Chad.

hear hear

 

[blickpall]

The problem is, you're born with game/social skills, it CANNOT be learned. I speak out of experience.

Stopped reading right here.

Any person who denies the nature vs. nurture duality and that both are elements in just about everything we do or experience, then they don't know anything and should not be listened to.

Citing anecdotal evidence is just the cherry on top.

 

[jagged0]

Stopped reading right here.

Any person who denies the nature vs. nurture duality and that both are elements in just about everything we do or experience, then they don't know anything and should not be listened to.

Citing anecdotal evidence is just the cherry on top.

This, I've seen plenty of guys that were autistic as fuck but after forcing themselves to become socially competent were able to change..of course they're still incel but hey.

 

[Deleted member 306]

You are not blackpilled if you still believe in social game crap. It's all about having a nice, friendly face that inspires security and makes the girl feel comfortable. These guys might be 5/10 PSL but their overall harmony makes them approved by women.

 

[Jockcel]

Stopped reading right here.

Any person who denies the nature vs. nurture duality and that both are elements in just about everything we do or experience, then they don't know anything and should not be listened to.

Citing anecdotal evidence is just the cherry on top.

I'm not saying anyone can get a gf by just having good communication skills. I'm just saying that anyone 4/10 and above with game has a fair chance at succeeding in dating.

 

[blickpall]

I'm not saying anyone can get a gf by just having good communication skills. I'm just saying that anyone 4/10 and above with game has a fair chance at succeeding in dating.

No, you are saying that you are born with "game" or social skills, which is patently false*

You take a newborn baby and lock it in a closet with feeding robots and nothing else, and you get yourself a feral child that can't even speak a language. Feral children disprove your entire house of cards theory in one fell swoop.

EDIT: In the way you are intending for it to mean.* We are born with the structures necessary to LEARN how to socialize and etc., but not born with the full package. Look up Universal Grammar if you want to get started on constructing an actual argument on this basis.

 

[overlystinkypants]

puberty can make you a slayer

 

[blackpill_incel]

As an autist, you only get laid if you're at least 9/10 in looks. Being a sperg is a death sentence for 99% of males.

Yeah this is really true. 8+ autists still get pussy regularly

 

[Grotesque]

Social competence can be learned. I did it.

Fixing my ugly face cannot be learned.

 

[not_here_4_points]

Fuck this thread shows how far the community has fallen.

 

[VLÖ]

JFL at people thinking they've "learned social skills". You're just coping, you think you're an awesome person but in reality you're probably not. Your ugly face just adds to that.

 

[grayjedi90]

Social competence can be learned. I did it.

Fixing my ugly face cannot be learned.

Teach me your ways. I'm a 27 friendless guy and never could connect or relate to other people no matter how hard i tried. Normies always tell me bruh go to parties, disco, club, bars alone and just meet new people but as incels that shit doesn't work for me.

 

[VLÖ]

Teach me your ways. I'm a 27 friendless guy and never could connetct and relate to other people no matter how hard i tried. Normies always tell me bruh go to parties, disco, club, bars alone and just meet new people but as incels that shit doesn't work for me.

The guy has a FWB, he won't be able to tell you jack. He's already doing great, he probably never "learned" anything.

 

[Jockcel]

No, you are saying that you are born with "game" or social skills, which is patently false*

You take a newborn baby and lock it in a closet with feeding robots and nothing else, and you get yourself a feral child that can't even speak a language. Feral children disprove your entire house of cards theory in one fell swoop.

EDIT: In the way you are intending for it to mean.* We are born with the structures necessary to LEARN how to socialize and etc., but not born with the full package. Look up Universal Grammar if you want to get started on constructing an actual argument on this basis.

Lmao I assume the kid learns basic skills like talking and walking on two legs. That's not the point. The point is, you cannot fake game for more than a few dates. If you're sub 8 and a retard, no matter how hard you try, you won't have a loving relationship with a girl.

 

[grayjedi90]

The guy has a FWB, he won't be able to tell you jack. He's already doing great, he probably never "learned" anything.

REEEEEEEEEEE didn't know fucking fakecel ban him

 

[blickpall]

Lmao I assume the kid learns basic skills like talking and walking on two legs. That's not the point. The point is, you cannot fake game for more than a few dates. If you're sub 8 and a retard, no matter how hard you try, you won't have a loving relationship with a girl.

This is not what you said. Try to be more accurate when you're describing an issue because your hyperbole made your point weaker, not stronger.

 

[Jockcel]

This, I've seen plenty of guys that were autistic as fuck but after forcing themselves to become socially competent were able to change..of course they're still incel but hey.

You said it yourself, they tried hard. Maybe actually improved themselves, but that's nowhere enough to grab a relationship.

 

[grayjedi90]

You said it yourself, they tried hard. Maybe actually improved themselves, but that's nowhere enough to grab a relationship.

In my opinion after a certain age probably about 25 it's almost impossible to learn real social skills. Social skills are developed in your youth and puberty, after that they should be complete and in working condition. If you fall behind this and try to learn it it's almost impossible also because if you start working there are not much opportunities to meet people like school or college everyone has their friends and social circle and don't want new people. Im 27 and friendless how can i at this age get into social circles or events with other people without being branded as foreveralone or freak? No matter what i try or do people always dislike me and end the conversation pretty fast. How the hell should i learn social skills if nobody wants to practice with me? 


REEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Jockcel]

In my opinion after a certain age probably about 25 it's almost impossible to learn real social skills. Social skills are developed in your youth and puberty, after that they should be complete and in working condition. If you fall behind this and try to learn it it's almost impossible also because if you start working there are not much opportunities to meet people like school or college everyone has their friends and social circle and don't want new people. Im 27 and friendless how can i at this age get into social circles or events with other people without being branded as foreveralone or freak? No matter what i try or do people always dislike me and end the conversation pretty fast. How the hell should i learn social skills if nobody wants to practice with me? 


REEEEEEEEEEE

If you're not sociable by 15, you sure as hell won't be any more outgoing at 27. Experience can only go so far. Most people are outgoing and thus get friends/gf. And you start to notice that as soon as they learn how to talk. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't believe your situation is going to improve. You will have to settle for a whore and beta bux your way into marriage.

 

[grayjedi90]

If you're not sociable by 15, you sure as hell won't be any more outgoing at 27. Experience can only go so far. Most people are outgoing and thus get friends/gf. And you start to notice that as soon as they learn how to talk. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't believe your situation is going to improve. You will have to settle for a whore and beta bux your way into marriage.

I know my fate. I just hate all these people who tell me dude you can learn social skills thats no problem at any age. Just fucking lol.

 

[Bri8564]

Nah theres plenty of people that have gone from total virgins to ULTRA chads, maybe it does not work for everyone but some people certainly have enough good genetics to change.

After puberty its completely over

 

[ArtoriasWolf]

nah, if I wasn't ugly I bet you it would work. it's all about looks, money and status to women.

 

[Jockcel]

nah, if I wasn't ugly I bet you it would work. it's all about looks, money and status to women.

Tell that to all the average looking mentalcels. And there are plenty of those on this site.

 

[ArtoriasWolf]

Tell that to all the average looking mentalcels. And there are plenty of those on this site.

They don't care what you do as long as you are chad

 

[Jockcel]

They don't care what you do as long as you are chad

Remember there are not only Chads and genetic failures. Average people get laid by impressing/entertaining women.

 

[AngelOfDisease]

Fuck this thread shows how far the community has fallen.

Why? I see truth in what the OP wrote.

 

[Jockcel]

I’d say PSL 8+ and an autist is in the clear for the anglosphere. The cutoff point for aspies may be  PSL 7 for places like EE where the competition is lower.

It’s debatable whether I’ll reach a PSL 8 but I believe I have a good chance at looksmaxxing to at least a PSL 7. If so then I’ll probably move out of the UK as it’s a nightmare in terms of hypergamy

Move to the South or Midwest of the US. I heard there is a very high amount of conservative and religious families there.

 

[blickpall]

Maybe my British accent can halo me. American chicks apparently dig it

They do, but mostly in metropolitan and NE/West Coast areas, I think. I don't think you'll net much favor in the South or Midwest with a British accent.

 

[fagotonabike]

If you have game, you can get laid even as a 5/10.

Stopped reading right there. Being THIS bluepilled should be illegal.

 

[Grotesque]

Teach me your ways. I'm a 27 friendless guy and never could connect or relate to other people no matter how hard i tried. Normies always tell me bruh go to parties, disco, club, bars alone and just meet new people but as incels that shit doesn't work for me.

Social circle. Through work, hobbies, etc... 

It's hard for us to relate to people, but you only need to find one cunt that finds you attractive.

 

[Deleted member 60]

it's an interaction of genetics and environment. If you're born with a predisposition to mental illness/autism and then you have a lifetime of negative experiences (e.g. bullying), it's very unlikely you'll ever develop "game." And "game" is an entirely different thing from social skills.

 

[not_here_4_points]

Why? I see truth in what the OP wrote.

"If you have game, you can get laid even as a 5/10."


The very first sentence.

 

[Hunter]

fuck no. this is anti-blackpill cope. its all LMS, social skills is just the icing on top.

 

[Jockcel]

"If you have game, you can get laid even as a 5/10."


The very first sentence.

Because it is true, stop coping. Not only Chads get girls. Incels are a MINORITY.

 

[Battlefield3cel]

There are men out there that are like hyenas. They get chads scraps or sub in for chad when he's not available. I wouldn't call them slayers

 

[Jockcel]

There are men out there that are like hyenas. They get chads scraps or sub in for chad when he's not available. I wouldn't call them slayers

Don't tell me you would not bang used Staceys if you could.

 

[Battlefield3cel]

Don't tell me you would not bang used Staceys if you could.

Lol that wasnt my point

 

[itsOVER]

Cut off point for aspies is probably PSL3 in South East Asia. Tbh being an aspie doesn't matter much providing you're not so bad you can't leave the house to go meet your matches.

 

[Jockcel]

Cut off point for aspies is probably PSL3 in South East Asia. Tbh being an aspie doesn't matter much providing you're not so bad you can't leave the house to go meet your matches.

Fuck... I'm THAT bad. It's truly O G R E for me.   :'(

 

[itsOVER]

It’s pretty bad in the anglosphere if you’re sub chad 

I think I’m one of the few people where sub 8 rule actually applies to me. Lost the location and NT lottery.

Least you didn't lose the location and the NT and the face lottery. Got 1 in 3 at least. Imagine how over it is for me in UK, given we're the same subhuman height.

Tbh in the anglosphere I think your height will prevent you ever being an 8, so best hope the HGH thing works. Though you'll always slay in Asia so that's a way out at least.

 

[itsOVER]

Prefer EE over Asia as the tinder experiment showed I could also slay there.

How tall do I have to get to be able to get to a PSL 8? 5”10? I’d idealistically want to be 6”2 but HGH will realistically only bring me to 5”9-6”0 (6”0 if I’m very lucky). I don’t really wanna go through with LL but if I have to, I will

I'd say genuine PSL 8 is 6ft+. Keep in mind only around 1% of guys are PSL 8+ so essentially everything has to be on point and well above average.


Aside from.the height thing what's your other ideas to looksmax? I think I'm gonna go for jaw and chin surgery after seeing Ryo's morph of me yesterday.

 

[itsOVER]

Jaw area could alone bump me to a Chadlite facially. That’s probably the biggest looksmax facially. HGH will solve the FWHR problem and narrow skull issue which were the other main facial flaws.

A hair transplant to lower my naturally high hairline that makes my forehead look big when it’s not could be a slight boost.

Then the rest is down to eye area which is both good and bad for me. It’s good in the sense that I got green eyes which halo me massively and I’ve got good palpebral fissure length and dark long lashes and great eyebrows. However it’s bad in the fact I have upper eyelid exposure, close set eyes and a feminine eye shape.

Fat grafts for hunter eyes is probably the surgery I’ll definitely go through with. I’d also benefit from lateral canthoplasty for more vertically narrow eyes but apparently not many surgeons will perform it on me.

As for the close set eyes, there’s a box osteotomy but it’s extremely high risk and I don’t think any surgeon would perform it on me. I’ve sort of accepted that my IPD is unfixable. Seen as they’re only mildly close set, a palate expansion may sort the issue.

Leanmaxing may be able to boost me up a half point as well

Any idea what all that will cost?

Problem is if you're not richcel then it takes time to gather the money for this stuff at which point you might well be past your prime anyway. No one escapes the agepill after all...not even Chad.

 

[itsOVER]

I have £6k saved up which should cover the jaw implants, fat grafts for hunter eyes and hair transplant.

As for the lateral canthoplasty, I don’t know how much it will cost or who would perform it on me.

The box osteotomy probably won’t happen. Too expensive and dangerous and my eyes aren’t close set enough to warrant getting it.

Palate expansion I think I can afford as well

When are you gonna go for the surgery then? You're
18 now, seems like there's no better time to do it. You'll get maximum benefit from the looksmax if you do it now.

 

[Akarin]

I know a guy who was bullied to the point he had to change school because of his autistic attitude and when he hit puberty and started new life in new school he became a biggest chad I know. You can be an autist who says retarded things but can't be shy untalkative faggot